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Anonymous wrote:If these are the worst stories they can come up with....

she wagged a finger at me after I made a snarky comment about hormones...

he pushed me back after we got in a face to face shouting match about my wife bullying people....

This is a lot of ruined relationships over pretty petty family conflicts.

The confrontation escalated, Harry writes, until William “grabbed me by the collar, ripping my necklace, and … knocked me to the floor”.

The extraordinary scene, which Harry says resulted in visible injury to his back, is one of many in Spare, which will be published worldwide next week and is likely to spark a serious furore for the British royal family.

… After William complained about Meghan, Harry writes, Harry told him he was repeating the press narrative and that he expected better. But William, Harry says, was not being rational, leading to the two men shouting over each other.

Harry then accused his brother of acting like an heir, unable to understand why his younger brother was not content to be a spare.


Insults were exchanged, before William claimed he was trying to help.

Harry said: “Are you serious? Help me? Sorry – is that what you call this? Helping me?”

That comment, Harry says, angered his brother, who swore while stepping towards him. Now scared, Harry writes, he went to the kitchen, his furious brother following.

Harry writes that he gave his brother a glass of water and said: “Willy, I can’t speak to you when you’re like this.”

He writes: “He set down the water, called me another name, then came at me. It all happened so fast. So very fast. He grabbed me by the collar, ripping my necklace, and he knocked me to the floor. I landed on the dog’s bowl, which cracked under my back, the pieces cutting into me. I lay there for a moment, dazed, then got to my feet and told him to get out.”

Harry writes that William urged him to hit back, citing fights they had as children. Harry says he refused to do so. William left, Harry says, then returned “looking regretful, and apologised”.

When William left again, his brother writes, he “turned and called back: ‘You don’t need to tell Meg about this.’

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/jan/04/prince-harry-william-physical-attack-2019-meghan-spare-book

The story about Kate and Will encouraging Harry to dress in the Nazi costume is the worst one in my opinion. It's one thing for 20 year old Harry to have bad judgment--he'll never have an important role in Britain. But the future king and queen?
https://people.com/royals/prince-harry-says-kate-middleton-prince-william-told-him-wear-nazi-costume-spare-reports/

Yeah, none of them look good there but Kate wasn’t even married to him yet. I’m also not sure how much I buy the story because he seems to be paranoid and exaggerating and vengeful.

I found an earlier telling of this story from a few years ago and looked at the media shortly after it happened and there is no mention of Kate at all being present. It talks about Harry and William going togetherto get costumes and how the party was themed Natives and Colonials and they were joking around about various costumes including the Nazi one. William may have been laughing and validaging Harry in going for it given it was a party amongst friends who also thought it wise to attend a Natives and Colonials party at the Meads house. From the descriptions of other costues, many were offesnive, inappropriate, racist, and insensitive...and that seemed to be a bit of the aim of the party. Two years earlier Prince Wiliam's Out of Africa themed birthday party had drawn a similar crowd with their various African costimes. So when Harry got in trouble publicly - he felt singled out, maybe he took it to an 11 but most at the party were at a 9 and had thought it funny, including his brother.

Yes. I posted this up thread. I think it’s beyond clear that Harry and Meghan hate Kate and want to tar her. When the story broke, Kate was never referenced. Now? Oh she was laughing uproariously at Nazis and helped encourage Harry to wear the costume!

This smells like bullshit. I truly don’t see a rational adult not catching this. But it’s of a piece with him sharing that he “and William” told their dad oh sure we’ll accept the person you love as long as you do r marry her. This is all straight up bananas.

Yeah yeah, Kate also made him call his Pakistani service mates “rag heads”, she made him get into fights outside clubs, play pool naked in Vegas etc etc.

Yes all her fault! Why was he not protected???

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Anonymous wrote:If these are the worst stories they can come up with....

she wagged a finger at me after I made a snarky comment about hormones...

he pushed me back after we got in a face to face shouting match about my wife bullying people....

This is a lot of ruined relationships over pretty petty family conflicts.

The confrontation escalated, Harry writes, until William “grabbed me by the collar, ripping my necklace, and … knocked me to the floor”.

The extraordinary scene, which Harry says resulted in visible injury to his back, is one of many in Spare, which will be published worldwide next week and is likely to spark a serious furore for the British royal family.

… After William complained about Meghan, Harry writes, Harry told him he was repeating the press narrative and that he expected better. But William, Harry says, was not being rational, leading to the two men shouting over each other.

Harry then accused his brother of acting like an heir, unable to understand why his younger brother was not content to be a spare.


Insults were exchanged, before William claimed he was trying to help.

Harry said: “Are you serious? Help me? Sorry – is that what you call this? Helping me?”

That comment, Harry says, angered his brother, who swore while stepping towards him. Now scared, Harry writes, he went to the kitchen, his furious brother following.

Harry writes that he gave his brother a glass of water and said: “Willy, I can’t speak to you when you’re like this.”

He writes: “He set down the water, called me another name, then came at me. It all happened so fast. So very fast. He grabbed me by the collar, ripping my necklace, and he knocked me to the floor. I landed on the dog’s bowl, which cracked under my back, the pieces cutting into me. I lay there for a moment, dazed, then got to my feet and told him to get out.”

Harry writes that William urged him to hit back, citing fights they had as children. Harry says he refused to do so. William left, Harry says, then returned “looking regretful, and apologised”.

When William left again, his brother writes, he “turned and called back: ‘You don’t need to tell Meg about this.’

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/jan/04/prince-harry-william-physical-attack-2019-meghan-spare-book

The story about Kate and Will encouraging Harry to dress in the Nazi costume is the worst one in my opinion. It's one thing for 20 year old Harry to have bad judgment--he'll never have an important role in Britain. But the future king and queen?
https://people.com/royals/prince-harry-says-kate-middleton-prince-william-told-him-wear-nazi-costume-spare-reports/

WOW. This grown ass man is completely unable to take any responsibility for his actions. Is he really trying to blame this particular event on anyone other than himself? It completely diminishes his credibility on other topics.

What credibility? His story changes every time he tells it.

This. It’s different bullshit dependent on the day. I cannot imagine my brother and sister in law acting like this to me and my spouse, and vice-versa.

My favorite revelation: He called his therapist right after the fight with big Willy but could not call a therapist when his wife told him she had suicidal thoughts, because you know the Royal family does not do therapy and all.

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Another excerpt...file this under TMI

Harry described losing his virginity as "a humiliating episode with an older lady".

He said it was "with an older lady, who loved horses very much and treated me like a young stallion. I mounted her quickly, after which she spanked my ass and held me back… one of my mistakes was letting it happen in a field, just behind a busy pub. No doubt someone had seen us'."

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Anonymous wrote:For very long time Harry was one of the most popular royal family members. I think the public was really happy for him when he found Meghan. Clearly, however there were signs that not all was well even before the wedding. And William tried to warn him, and Harry has been upset with him ever since.

What do you all think were William's objections and reasoning for trying to warn him? I'm sure it was the alleged staff bullying, but there has to be more.

William did not like the speed with which the courtship unfolded, and thought Harry needed to take more time to make sure Meghan understands the reality of royal life, and what she's getting into. Harry took it as an offense.

From all accounts, Meghan never did want to understand the reality of royal life, and was deeply uninterested in fitting in in any normal sense.

I personally am very put off by the evidence of how early and often they videotaped themselves in the process. Who videotapes the call to a girlfriend when your bf is about to propose? It's almost like they were collecting material they planned to use in the future.

I also think that both Diana and Charles failed as parents for not acclimating Harry properly to the reality of being, yes, a spare. Resentment and envy toward the royal hierarchy is a main theme of Harry's book and I don't know that anyone grown should be THAT angry on what is a physical fact of the order of birth.

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Anonymous wrote:For very long time Harry was one of the most popular royal family members. I think the public was really happy for him when he found Meghan. Clearly, however there were signs that not all was well even before the wedding. And William tried to warn him, and Harry has been upset with him ever since.

What do you all think were William's objections and reasoning for trying to warn him? I'm sure it was the alleged staff bullying, but there has to be more.

It is the BRF. They likely did their homework on her.

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I hope Spare is clearer than this DailyMail article. Meghan makes a comment about hormones that sets Kate off at the bridal salon, but then somehow (at a different point in time?) William shows up and waves a finger in her face and that makes Meghan cry?

The way I read this is that there was a confrontation after the bridal salon exchange.

Man if someone I barely knew told me I had "baby brain" I would be LIVID. Is anyone else seeing this as William defending his wife?

Yeah, but I thought there was crying during the bridal salon exchange, so I guess I'm just not understanding the sequence. Anyway, I can see how some people would get pissed at that kind of offhand remark being made, especially Kate with her tough pregnancies. But many many many others would just laugh it off.

yeah. i joke about mommy brain and baby brain with my friends (who are also mothers). it's definitely not up there with the worst things you could say to an in-law.

Not the worst thing. But it can be used as an insult. And getting a finger wag in response seems appropriate.

Not a great relationship among in-laws. But not the worst. Or at least not then - now it is. SMH

How could the money and revenge possibly have been worth the end of your relationship with your only brother? I don't care how much you resented being "the spare," it is simply not worth it.

What did Harry actually want of William? To change their birth order? In every aspect of life (like it or not), there is a hierarchy.

I think he wanted his family/the institution to protect him in the same way William was protected. It's an understandable desire, if not realistic.

Protect him in what way? From whom? How do we know they were not protecting him? Because he said so? It seems to me that Harry has been well protected. But then Meghan came in the picture and all hell broke loose.

I think Harry doesn't acknowledge the times he was protected, and that was clearly the case for a long while. But I also think he had the goods on William allowing the anti-Meghan leak to the Daily Mail, and of course would resent that. An outspoken American joining the royal family was a culture shock all around, and it seems they were not inclined to protect her in terms of PR. Even if I think some of it (eg the question of staff treatment) was her own doing, Harry felt the need to draw the line when it came to her and the kids. I don't blame him for that, and I also think he's well aware Kate was trashed in the press for many years but, unlike William, was unwilling to tolerate it. As is often the case, the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle.

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I hope Spare is clearer than this DailyMail article. Meghan makes a comment about hormones that sets Kate off at the bridal salon, but then somehow (at a different point in time?) William shows up and waves a finger in her face and that makes Meghan cry?

The way I read this is that there was a confrontation after the bridal salon exchange.

Man if someone I barely knew told me I had "baby brain" I would be LIVID. Is anyone else seeing this as William defending his wife?

Yeah, but I thought there was crying during the bridal salon exchange, so I guess I'm just not understanding the sequence. Anyway, I can see how some people would get pissed at that kind of offhand remark being made, especially Kate with her tough pregnancies. But many many many others would just laugh it off.

yeah. i joke about mommy brain and baby brain with my friends (who are also mothers). it's definitely not up there with the worst things you could say to an in-law.

Not the worst thing. But it can be used as an insult. And getting a finger wag in response seems appropriate.

Not a great relationship among in-laws. But not the worst. Or at least not then - now it is. SMH

How could the money and revenge possibly have been worth the end of your relationship with your only brother? I don't care how much you resented being "the spare," it is simply not worth it.

What did Harry actually want of William? To change their birth order? In every aspect of life (like it or not), there is a hierarchy.

I think he wanted his family/the institution to protect him in the same way William was protected. It's an understandable desire, if not realistic.

Protect him in what way? From whom? How do we know they were not protecting him? Because he said so? It seems to me that Harry has been well protected. But then Meghan came in the picture and all hell broke loose.

I think Harry doesn't acknowledge the times he was protected, and that was clearly the case for a long while. But I also think he had the goods on William allowing the anti-Meghan leak to the Daily Mail, and of course would resent that. An outspoken American joining the royal family was a culture shock all around, and it seems they were not inclined to protect her in terms of PR. Even if I think some of it (eg the question of staff treatment) was her own doing, Harry felt the need to draw the line when it came to her and the kids. I don't blame him for that, and I also think he's well aware Kate was trashed in the press for many years but, unlike William, was unwilling to tolerate it. As is often the case, the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle.

Do you think the outspoken American sort of brought it on herself by a very open lack of interest in fitting in and learning what's expected of her?

Seeing as Meghan has rejected all advice and mentorship offered to her early on, it looks like she never intended to stay. She saw huge commercial value to the BRF connection, and wanted to merch it. From the beginning. That's the motherlode.

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I hope Spare is clearer than this DailyMail article. Meghan makes a comment about hormones that sets Kate off at the bridal salon, but then somehow (at a different point in time?) William shows up and waves a finger in her face and that makes Meghan cry?

The way I read this is that there was a confrontation after the bridal salon exchange.

Man if someone I barely knew told me I had "baby brain" I would be LIVID. Is anyone else seeing this as William defending his wife?

Yeah, but I thought there was crying during the bridal salon exchange, so I guess I'm just not understanding the sequence. Anyway, I can see how some people would get pissed at that kind of offhand remark being made, especially Kate with her tough pregnancies. But many many many others would just laugh it off.

yeah. i joke about mommy brain and baby brain with my friends (who are also mothers). it's definitely not up there with the worst things you could say to an in-law.

Not the worst thing. But it can be used as an insult. And getting a finger wag in response seems appropriate.

Not a great relationship among in-laws. But not the worst. Or at least not then - now it is. SMH

How could the money and revenge possibly have been worth the end of your relationship with your only brother? I don't care how much you resented being "the spare," it is simply not worth it.

What did Harry actually want of William? To change their birth order? In every aspect of life (like it or not), there is a hierarchy.

I think he wanted his family/the institution to protect him in the same way William was protected. It's an understandable desire, if not realistic.

Protect him in what way? From whom? How do we know they were not protecting him? Because he said so? It seems to me that Harry has been well protected. But then Meghan came in the picture and all hell broke loose.

I think Harry doesn't acknowledge the times he was protected, and that was clearly the case for a long while. But I also think he had the goods on William allowing the anti-Meghan leak to the Daily Mail, and of course would resent that. An outspoken American joining the royal family was a culture shock all around, and it seems they were not inclined to protect her in terms of PR. Even if I think some of it (eg the question of staff treatment) was her own doing, Harry felt the need to draw the line when it came to her and the kids. I don't blame him for that, and I also think he's well aware Kate was trashed in the press for many years but, unlike William, was unwilling to tolerate it. As is often the case, the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle.

Do you think the outspoken American sort of brought it on herself by a very open lack of interest in fitting in and learning what's expected of her?

Seeing as Meghan has rejected all advice and mentorship offered to her early on, it looks like she never intended to stay. She saw huge commercial value to the BRF connection, and wanted to merch it. From the beginning. That's the motherlode.

Is this true though? I don't know whether we have enough info to make that determination. That is not to say I don't think they both come across as stereotypically self-centered millennials.

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With regard to Kate, it really looks like Meghan assumed they would be BFF from day one, and Kate wasn't having it. She is said to be a guarded person and has a tight circle of friends she's known forever. So it probably takes time to make it inside.

Meghan took it badly and seems that Kate took this opportunity to remind her that a) she's not close enough to her for that type of joking and b) this is not what's expected of her.

Again, a theme of Meghan expecting something as her due and getting angry when it's not happening.

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I hope Spare is clearer than this DailyMail article. Meghan makes a comment about hormones that sets Kate off at the bridal salon, but then somehow (at a different point in time?) William shows up and waves a finger in her face and that makes Meghan cry?

The way I read this is that there was a confrontation after the bridal salon exchange.

Man if someone I barely knew told me I had "baby brain" I would be LIVID. Is anyone else seeing this as William defending his wife?

Yeah, but I thought there was crying during the bridal salon exchange, so I guess I'm just not understanding the sequence. Anyway, I can see how some people would get pissed at that kind of offhand remark being made, especially Kate with her tough pregnancies. But many many many others would just laugh it off.

yeah. i joke about mommy brain and baby brain with my friends (who are also mothers). it's definitely not up there with the worst things you could say to an in-law.

Not the worst thing. But it can be used as an insult. And getting a finger wag in response seems appropriate.

Not a great relationship among in-laws. But not the worst. Or at least not then - now it is. SMH

How could the money and revenge possibly have been worth the end of your relationship with your only brother? I don't care how much you resented being "the spare," it is simply not worth it.

What did Harry actually want of William? To change their birth order? In every aspect of life (like it or not), there is a hierarchy.

I think he wanted his family/the institution to protect him in the same way William was protected. It's an understandable desire, if not realistic.

Protect him in what way? From whom? How do we know they were not protecting him? Because he said so? It seems to me that Harry has been well protected. But then Meghan came in the picture and all hell broke loose.

I think Harry doesn't acknowledge the times he was protected, and that was clearly the case for a long while. But I also think he had the goods on William allowing the anti-Meghan leak to the Daily Mail, and of course would resent that. An outspoken American joining the royal family was a culture shock all around, and it seems they were not inclined to protect her in terms of PR. Even if I think some of it (eg the question of staff treatment) was her own doing, Harry felt the need to draw the line when it came to her and the kids. I don't blame him for that, and I also think he's well aware Kate was trashed in the press for many years but, unlike William, was unwilling to tolerate it. As is often the case, the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle.

Do you think the outspoken American sort of brought it on herself by a very open lack of interest in fitting in and learning what's expected of her?

Seeing as Meghan has rejected all advice and mentorship offered to her early on, it looks like she never intended to stay. She saw huge commercial value to the BRF connection, and wanted to merch it. From the beginning. That's the motherlode.

Is this true though? I don't know whether we have enough info to make that determination. That is not to say I don't think they both come across as stereotypically self-centered millennials.

There were articles that the Queen charged Sophie (Edward's wife) with connecting with Meghan and teaching her the ropes, as she thought Sophie's and Meghan's position were very similar. Meghan passed.

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Anonymous wrote:With regard to Kate, it really looks like Meghan assumed they would be BFF from day one, and Kate wasn't having it. She is said to be a guarded person and has a tight circle of friends she's known forever. So it probably takes time to make it inside.

Meghan took it badly and seems that Kate took this opportunity to remind her that a) she's not close enough to her for that type of joking and b) this is not what's expected of her.

Again, a theme of Meghan expecting something as her due and getting angry when it's not happening.

And, as it happens, Kate was quite right not to trust her!

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I hope Spare is clearer than this DailyMail article. Meghan makes a comment about hormones that sets Kate off at the bridal salon, but then somehow (at a different point in time?) William shows up and waves a finger in her face and that makes Meghan cry?

The way I read this is that there was a confrontation after the bridal salon exchange.

Man if someone I barely knew told me I had "baby brain" I would be LIVID. Is anyone else seeing this as William defending his wife?

Yeah, but I thought there was crying during the bridal salon exchange, so I guess I'm just not understanding the sequence. Anyway, I can see how some people would get pissed at that kind of offhand remark being made, especially Kate with her tough pregnancies. But many many many others would just laugh it off.

yeah. i joke about mommy brain and baby brain with my friends (who are also mothers). it's definitely not up there with the worst things you could say to an in-law.

Not the worst thing. But it can be used as an insult. And getting a finger wag in response seems appropriate.

Not a great relationship among in-laws. But not the worst. Or at least not then - now it is. SMH

How could the money and revenge possibly have been worth the end of your relationship with your only brother? I don't care how much you resented being "the spare," it is simply not worth it.

What did Harry actually want of William? To change their birth order? In every aspect of life (like it or not), there is a hierarchy.

I think he wanted his family/the institution to protect him in the same way William was protected. It's an understandable desire, if not realistic.

Protect him in what way? From whom? How do we know they were not protecting him? Because he said so? It seems to me that Harry has been well protected. But then Meghan came in the picture and all hell broke loose.

I think Harry doesn't acknowledge the times he was protected, and that was clearly the case for a long while. But I also think he had the goods on William allowing the anti-Meghan leak to the Daily Mail, and of course would resent that. An outspoken American joining the royal family was a culture shock all around, and it seems they were not inclined to protect her in terms of PR. Even if I think some of it (eg the question of staff treatment) was her own doing, Harry felt the need to draw the line when it came to her and the kids. I don't blame him for that, and I also think he's well aware Kate was trashed in the press for many years but, unlike William, was unwilling to tolerate it. As is often the case, the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle.

Do you think the outspoken American sort of brought it on herself by a very open lack of interest in fitting in and learning what's expected of her?

Seeing as Meghan has rejected all advice and mentorship offered to her early on, it looks like she never intended to stay. She saw huge commercial value to the BRF connection, and wanted to merch it. From the beginning. That's the motherlode.

I wish we could give “outspoken American” a rest. Outspoken about what? If “silence is betrayal” per Spare interviews and excerpts, why doesn’t Meghan or Harry ever say a goddamned word about Andrew? Why? If there was horrible itchy icky crawly culture shock why do they need the titles? Anne rejected them for her kids. If egalitarianism is the goal, why did they never reject where it benefited them? They married the weekend Eugenia chose and didn’t back off of it because Harry was by this measure they hate sooooo much, “more important” so so was Meghan.

Make it make sense. Make it make ANY sense. One can’t. And this book is making it all even more final.

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The most charming revelation so far is that Harry and Meghan think this barrage of tell-alls means "the ball is in the BRF's court" to come back and apologize if they want to reconcile.

Fat chance!

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Anonymous wrote:The most charming revelation so far is that Harry and Meghan think this barrage of tell-alls means "the ball is in the BRF's court" to come back and apologize if they want to reconcile.

Fat chance!

Can they really be that delusional??

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Anonymous wrote:For very long time Harry was one of the most popular royal family members. I think the public was really happy for him when he found Meghan. Clearly, however there were signs that not all was well even before the wedding. And William tried to warn him, and Harry has been upset with him ever since.

What do you all think were William's objections and reasoning for trying to warn him? I'm sure it was the alleged staff bullying, but there has to be more.

That Harry and Meghan were getting popular, too popular.