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Anonymous wrote:If these are the worst stories they can come up with....

she wagged a finger at me after I made a snarky comment about hormones...

he pushed me back after we got in a face to face shouting match about my wife bullying people....

This is a lot of ruined relationships over pretty petty family conflicts.

The confrontation escalated, Harry writes, until William “grabbed me by the collar, ripping my necklace, and … knocked me to the floor”.

The extraordinary scene, which Harry says resulted in visible injury to his back, is one of many in Spare, which will be published worldwide next week and is likely to spark a serious furore for the British royal family.

… After William complained about Meghan, Harry writes, Harry told him he was repeating the press narrative and that he expected better. But William, Harry says, was not being rational, leading to the two men shouting over each other.

Harry then accused his brother of acting like an heir, unable to understand why his younger brother was not content to be a spare.


Insults were exchanged, before William claimed he was trying to help.

Harry said: “Are you serious? Help me? Sorry – is that what you call this? Helping me?”

That comment, Harry says, angered his brother, who swore while stepping towards him. Now scared, Harry writes, he went to the kitchen, his furious brother following.

Harry writes that he gave his brother a glass of water and said: “Willy, I can’t speak to you when you’re like this.”

He writes: “He set down the water, called me another name, then came at me. It all happened so fast. So very fast. He grabbed me by the collar, ripping my necklace, and he knocked me to the floor. I landed on the dog’s bowl, which cracked under my back, the pieces cutting into me. I lay there for a moment, dazed, then got to my feet and told him to get out.”

Harry writes that William urged him to hit back, citing fights they had as children. Harry says he refused to do so. William left, Harry says, then returned “looking regretful, and apologised”.

When William left again, his brother writes, he “turned and called back: ‘You don’t need to tell Meg about this.’

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/jan/04/prince-harry-william-physical-attack-2019-meghan-spare-book

The story about Kate and Will encouraging Harry to dress in the Nazi costume is the worst one in my opinion. It's one thing for 20 year old Harry to have bad judgment--he'll never have an important role in Britain. But the future king and queen?
https://people.com/royals/prince-harry-says-kate-middleton-prince-william-told-him-wear-nazi-costume-spare-reports/

WOW. This grown ass man is completely unable to take any responsibility for his actions. Is he really trying to blame this particular event on anyone other than himself? It completely diminishes his credibility on other topics.

What credibility? His story changes every time he tells it.

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Anonymous wrote:If these are the worst stories they can come up with....

she wagged a finger at me after I made a snarky comment about hormones...

he pushed me back after we got in a face to face shouting match about my wife bullying people....

This is a lot of ruined relationships over pretty petty family conflicts.

The confrontation escalated, Harry writes, until William “grabbed me by the collar, ripping my necklace, and … knocked me to the floor”.

The extraordinary scene, which Harry says resulted in visible injury to his back, is one of many in Spare, which will be published worldwide next week and is likely to spark a serious furore for the British royal family.

… After William complained about Meghan, Harry writes, Harry told him he was repeating the press narrative and that he expected better. But William, Harry says, was not being rational, leading to the two men shouting over each other.

Harry then accused his brother of acting like an heir, unable to understand why his younger brother was not content to be a spare.


Insults were exchanged, before William claimed he was trying to help.

Harry said: “Are you serious? Help me? Sorry – is that what you call this? Helping me?”

That comment, Harry says, angered his brother, who swore while stepping towards him. Now scared, Harry writes, he went to the kitchen, his furious brother following.

Harry writes that he gave his brother a glass of water and said: “Willy, I can’t speak to you when you’re like this.”

He writes: “He set down the water, called me another name, then came at me. It all happened so fast. So very fast. He grabbed me by the collar, ripping my necklace, and he knocked me to the floor. I landed on the dog’s bowl, which cracked under my back, the pieces cutting into me. I lay there for a moment, dazed, then got to my feet and told him to get out.”

Harry writes that William urged him to hit back, citing fights they had as children. Harry says he refused to do so. William left, Harry says, then returned “looking regretful, and apologised”.

When William left again, his brother writes, he “turned and called back: ‘You don’t need to tell Meg about this.’

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/jan/04/prince-harry-william-physical-attack-2019-meghan-spare-book

The story about Kate and Will encouraging Harry to dress in the Nazi costume is the worst one in my opinion. It's one thing for 20 year old Harry to have bad judgment--he'll never have an important role in Britain. But the future king and queen?
https://people.com/royals/prince-harry-says-kate-middleton-prince-william-told-him-wear-nazi-costume-spare-reports/

WOW. This grown ass man is completely unable to take any responsibility for his actions. Is he really trying to blame this particular event on anyone other than himself? It completely diminishes his credibility on other topics.

What credibility? His story changes every time he tells it.

This. It’s different bullshit dependent on the day. I cannot imagine my brother and sister in law acting like this to me and my spouse, and vice-versa.

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Anonymous wrote:For very long time Harry was one of the most popular royal family members. I think the public was really happy for him when he found Meghan. Clearly, however there were signs that not all was well even before the wedding. And William tried to warn him, and Harry has been upset with him ever since.

Yes, this tracks. The shame of it is the Sussexes don't seem to understand how all the dirty-laundry-airing is turning public sentiment against them.

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Anonymous wrote:If I were a family member, I would never engage in a private, personal conversation with Harry or Meghan. Wouldn't trust them for one second. I would be polite bur recognize that they would say and do just about anything for money.

Forget private and personal, there would be NO conversations at all. Ever.

I don’t even understand how an average Montecitan schmoe would be comfortable around such an indiscreet pair. That’s just beyond the bounds of normal.
I do think it’s adorable that William and Catherine not screaming their shit in public is “scarily tightly wound” whereas this media blitz is…normal? It’s really so strange. I thought having some modicum of discretion was something that adults prized in general.

If you’re, e.g., George and Amal Clooney, would you trust this pair? They sold out their families (both of them).

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I hope Spare is clearer than this DailyMail article. Meghan makes a comment about hormones that sets Kate off at the bridal salon, but then somehow (at a different point in time?) William shows up and waves a finger in her face and that makes Meghan cry?

The way I read this is that there was a confrontation after the bridal salon exchange.

Man if someone I barely knew told me I had "baby brain" I would be LIVID. Is anyone else seeing this as William defending his wife?

Yeah, but I thought there was crying during the bridal salon exchange, so I guess I'm just not understanding the sequence. Anyway, I can see how some people would get pissed at that kind of offhand remark being made, especially Kate with her tough pregnancies. But many many many others would just laugh it off.

yeah. i joke about mommy brain and baby brain with my friends (who are also mothers). it's definitely not up there with the worst things you could say to an in-law.

Not the worst thing. But it can be used as an insult. And getting a finger wag in response seems appropriate.

Not a great relationship among in-laws. But not the worst. Or at least not then - now it is. SMH

How could the money and revenge possibly have been worth the end of your relationship with your only brother? I don't care how much you resented being "the spare," it is simply not worth it.

What did Harry actually want of William? To change their birth order? In every aspect of life (like it or not), there is a hierarchy.

I think he wanted his family/the institution to protect him in the same way William was protected. It's an understandable desire, if not realistic.

Of course he didn't want to "change the birth order." God, I don't think he envies William in any way and barely tolerated his royal duties, given what happened to his mother. And after finding other things that gave him more happiness: his military service, his philanthropies, and now his wife/kids. He absolutely expected his brother and father to protect his family and they didn't, going as far to remove their security detail once they decided to step away. Were they entitled to pull it back? Sure. But it makes them look petty and vindictive, and left them open to security breaches. Jesus, Tyler Perry had to step in to help them when their own family couldn't be magnanimous enough to keep them safe. It's absolutely grotesque.

While there are not doubt different recollections on the two sides re: some of the details, I 100000% believe Harry and Meghan. There are plenty of examples of hideous behavior by the Royal family to know what they are saying is true. Good for them for stepping away. Protecting their family. And of not longer sitting back and being the punching bags and telling their side.

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Anonymous wrote:If these are the worst stories they can come up with....

she wagged a finger at me after I made a snarky comment about hormones...

he pushed me back after we got in a face to face shouting match about my wife bullying people....

This is a lot of ruined relationships over pretty petty family conflicts.

The confrontation escalated, Harry writes, until William “grabbed me by the collar, ripping my necklace, and … knocked me to the floor”.

The extraordinary scene, which Harry says resulted in visible injury to his back, is one of many in Spare, which will be published worldwide next week and is likely to spark a serious furore for the British royal family.

… After William complained about Meghan, Harry writes, Harry told him he was repeating the press narrative and that he expected better. But William, Harry says, was not being rational, leading to the two men shouting over each other.

Harry then accused his brother of acting like an heir, unable to understand why his younger brother was not content to be a spare.


Insults were exchanged, before William claimed he was trying to help.

Harry said: “Are you serious? Help me? Sorry – is that what you call this? Helping me?”

That comment, Harry says, angered his brother, who swore while stepping towards him. Now scared, Harry writes, he went to the kitchen, his furious brother following.

Harry writes that he gave his brother a glass of water and said: “Willy, I can’t speak to you when you’re like this.”

He writes: “He set down the water, called me another name, then came at me. It all happened so fast. So very fast. He grabbed me by the collar, ripping my necklace, and he knocked me to the floor. I landed on the dog’s bowl, which cracked under my back, the pieces cutting into me. I lay there for a moment, dazed, then got to my feet and told him to get out.”

Harry writes that William urged him to hit back, citing fights they had as children. Harry says he refused to do so. William left, Harry says, then returned “looking regretful, and apologised”.

When William left again, his brother writes, he “turned and called back: ‘You don’t need to tell Meg about this.’

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/jan/04/prince-harry-william-physical-attack-2019-meghan-spare-book

The story about Kate and Will encouraging Harry to dress in the Nazi costume is the worst one in my opinion. It's one thing for 20 year old Harry to have bad judgment--he'll never have an important role in Britain. But the future king and queen?
https://people.com/royals/prince-harry-says-kate-middleton-prince-william-told-him-wear-nazi-costume-spare-reports/

WOW. This grown ass man is completely unable to take any responsibility for his actions. Is he really trying to blame this particular event on anyone other than himself? It completely diminishes his credibility on other topics.

I think he solely took responsibility for that action for more than a decade. But if he says that Will and Kate also egged him on, he's got a right to share his story.

I actually think all of the criticism for this is unfair - the rules changed very recently and this event preceded the time when dressing like a bad guy was no longer acceptable. But when he starts defensively pointing a finger at his brother and SIL, who he used to have a good relationship with, it's just pathetic. None of them knew better at the time. Now they all do. He can say whatever he wants, but that doesn't mean he should.

Um, no. They're in their 40s. Dressing like a Nazi for a costume party wasn't ever acceptable or funny in their time. Jewish people. Old people with memories of being blitzed. Anyone who finds anti-Semitism wrong. These are all people who would not find this not acceptable.

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I hope Spare is clearer than this DailyMail article. Meghan makes a comment about hormones that sets Kate off at the bridal salon, but then somehow (at a different point in time?) William shows up and waves a finger in her face and that makes Meghan cry?

The way I read this is that there was a confrontation after the bridal salon exchange.

Man if someone I barely knew told me I had "baby brain" I would be LIVID. Is anyone else seeing this as William defending his wife?

Yeah, but I thought there was crying during the bridal salon exchange, so I guess I'm just not understanding the sequence. Anyway, I can see how some people would get pissed at that kind of offhand remark being made, especially Kate with her tough pregnancies. But many many many others would just laugh it off.

yeah. i joke about mommy brain and baby brain with my friends (who are also mothers). it's definitely not up there with the worst things you could say to an in-law.

Not the worst thing. But it can be used as an insult. And getting a finger wag in response seems appropriate.

Not a great relationship among in-laws. But not the worst. Or at least not then - now it is. SMH

How could the money and revenge possibly have been worth the end of your relationship with your only brother? I don't care how much you resented being "the spare," it is simply not worth it.

What did Harry actually want of William? To change their birth order? In every aspect of life (like it or not), there is a hierarchy.

I think he wanted his family/the institution to protect him in the same way William was protected. It's an understandable desire, if not realistic.

He called his brother his archnemesis and that there has always been a rivalry there. Of course his concern was not protection, the Palace not only protected him, they built an incredible public profile for him. Harrold is in perpetual competition with his brother.

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I hope Spare is clearer than this DailyMail article. Meghan makes a comment about hormones that sets Kate off at the bridal salon, but then somehow (at a different point in time?) William shows up and waves a finger in her face and that makes Meghan cry?

The way I read this is that there was a confrontation after the bridal salon exchange.

Man if someone I barely knew told me I had "baby brain" I would be LIVID. Is anyone else seeing this as William defending his wife?

Yeah, but I thought there was crying during the bridal salon exchange, so I guess I'm just not understanding the sequence. Anyway, I can see how some people would get pissed at that kind of offhand remark being made, especially Kate with her tough pregnancies. But many many many others would just laugh it off.

yeah. i joke about mommy brain and baby brain with my friends (who are also mothers). it's definitely not up there with the worst things you could say to an in-law.

Not the worst thing. But it can be used as an insult. And getting a finger wag in response seems appropriate.

Not a great relationship among in-laws. But not the worst. Or at least not then - now it is. SMH

How could the money and revenge possibly have been worth the end of your relationship with your only brother? I don't care how much you resented being "the spare," it is simply not worth it.

What did Harry actually want of William? To change their birth order? In every aspect of life (like it or not), there is a hierarchy.

I think he wanted his family/the institution to protect him in the same way William was protected. It's an understandable desire, if not realistic.

Protect him in what way? From whom? How do we know they were not protecting him? Because he said so? It seems to me that Harry has been well protected. But then Meghan came in the picture and all hell broke loose.

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I hope Spare is clearer than this DailyMail article. Meghan makes a comment about hormones that sets Kate off at the bridal salon, but then somehow (at a different point in time?) William shows up and waves a finger in her face and that makes Meghan cry?

The way I read this is that there was a confrontation after the bridal salon exchange.

Man if someone I barely knew told me I had "baby brain" I would be LIVID. Is anyone else seeing this as William defending his wife?

Yeah, but I thought there was crying during the bridal salon exchange, so I guess I'm just not understanding the sequence. Anyway, I can see how some people would get pissed at that kind of offhand remark being made, especially Kate with her tough pregnancies. But many many many others would just laugh it off.

yeah. i joke about mommy brain and baby brain with my friends (who are also mothers). it's definitely not up there with the worst things you could say to an in-law.

Not the worst thing. But it can be used as an insult. And getting a finger wag in response seems appropriate.

Not a great relationship among in-laws. But not the worst. Or at least not then - now it is. SMH

How could the money and revenge possibly have been worth the end of your relationship with your only brother? I don't care how much you resented being "the spare," it is simply not worth it.

What did Harry actually want of William? To change their birth order? In every aspect of life (like it or not), there is a hierarchy.

I think he wanted his family/the institution to protect him in the same way William was protected. It's an understandable desire, if not realistic.

He WAS protected. He cheated in school. He used slurs well after Nazigate. Yet he enjoyed a reputation for being soooo fun, not a churlish nasty little bastard who was a disaster in school and life.

Yes he was, and remains, incredibly spoiled. Imagine announcing you intend to do no serious work for the monarchy yet expecting to be kept on the dole. And failing to acknowledge how many times you had been bailed out, including by William.

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Anonymous wrote:If these are the worst stories they can come up with....

she wagged a finger at me after I made a snarky comment about hormones...

he pushed me back after we got in a face to face shouting match about my wife bullying people....

This is a lot of ruined relationships over pretty petty family conflicts.

The confrontation escalated, Harry writes, until William “grabbed me by the collar, ripping my necklace, and … knocked me to the floor”.

The extraordinary scene, which Harry says resulted in visible injury to his back, is one of many in Spare, which will be published worldwide next week and is likely to spark a serious furore for the British royal family.

… After William complained about Meghan, Harry writes, Harry told him he was repeating the press narrative and that he expected better. But William, Harry says, was not being rational, leading to the two men shouting over each other.

Harry then accused his brother of acting like an heir, unable to understand why his younger brother was not content to be a spare.


Insults were exchanged, before William claimed he was trying to help.

Harry said: “Are you serious? Help me? Sorry – is that what you call this? Helping me?”

That comment, Harry says, angered his brother, who swore while stepping towards him. Now scared, Harry writes, he went to the kitchen, his furious brother following.

Harry writes that he gave his brother a glass of water and said: “Willy, I can’t speak to you when you’re like this.”

He writes: “He set down the water, called me another name, then came at me. It all happened so fast. So very fast. He grabbed me by the collar, ripping my necklace, and he knocked me to the floor. I landed on the dog’s bowl, which cracked under my back, the pieces cutting into me. I lay there for a moment, dazed, then got to my feet and told him to get out.”

Harry writes that William urged him to hit back, citing fights they had as children. Harry says he refused to do so. William left, Harry says, then returned “looking regretful, and apologised”.

When William left again, his brother writes, he “turned and called back: ‘You don’t need to tell Meg about this.’

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/jan/04/prince-harry-william-physical-attack-2019-meghan-spare-book

The story about Kate and Will encouraging Harry to dress in the Nazi costume is the worst one in my opinion. It's one thing for 20 year old Harry to have bad judgment--he'll never have an important role in Britain. But the future king and queen?
https://people.com/royals/prince-harry-says-kate-middleton-prince-william-told-him-wear-nazi-costume-spare-reports/

Yeah, none of them look good there but Kate wasn’t even married to him yet. I’m also not sure how much I buy the story because he seems to be paranoid and exaggerating and vengeful.

I found an earlier telling of this story from a few years ago and looked at the media shortly after it happened and there is no mention of Kate at all being present. It talks about Harry and William going togetherto get costumes and how the party was themed Natives and Colonials and they were joking around about various costumes including the Nazi one. William may have been laughing and validaging Harry in going for it given it was a party amongst friends who also thought it wise to attend a Natives and Colonials party at the Meads house. From the descriptions of other costues, many were offesnive, inappropriate, racist, and insensitive...and that seemed to be a bit of the aim of the party. Two years earlier Prince Wiliam's Out of Africa themed birthday party had drawn a similar crowd with their various African costimes. So when Harry got in trouble publicly - he felt singled out, maybe he took it to an 11 but most at the party were at a 9 and had thought it funny, including his brother.

Yes. I posted this up thread. I think it’s beyond clear that Harry and Meghan hate Kate and want to tar her. When the story broke, Kate was never referenced. Now? Oh she was laughing uproariously at Nazis and helped encourage Harry to wear the costume!

This smells like bullshit. I truly don’t see a rational adult not catching this. But it’s of a piece with him sharing that he “and William” told their dad oh sure we’ll accept the person you love as long as you do r marry her. This is all straight up bananas.

Harry didn't say Kate was present at the party. He said he told Will and Kate what he was going to do and they thought it was a great idea. Different thing.

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Anonymous wrote:For very long time Harry was one of the most popular royal family members. I think the public was really happy for him when he found Meghan. Clearly, however there were signs that not all was well even before the wedding. And William tried to warn him, and Harry has been upset with him ever since.

What do you all think were William's objections and reasoning for trying to warn him? I'm sure it was the alleged staff bullying, but there has to be more.

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Anonymous wrote:If these are the worst stories they can come up with....

she wagged a finger at me after I made a snarky comment about hormones...

he pushed me back after we got in a face to face shouting match about my wife bullying people....

This is a lot of ruined relationships over pretty petty family conflicts.

The confrontation escalated, Harry writes, until William “grabbed me by the collar, ripping my necklace, and … knocked me to the floor”.

The extraordinary scene, which Harry says resulted in visible injury to his back, is one of many in Spare, which will be published worldwide next week and is likely to spark a serious furore for the British royal family.

… After William complained about Meghan, Harry writes, Harry told him he was repeating the press narrative and that he expected better. But William, Harry says, was not being rational, leading to the two men shouting over each other.

Harry then accused his brother of acting like an heir, unable to understand why his younger brother was not content to be a spare.


Insults were exchanged, before William claimed he was trying to help.

Harry said: “Are you serious? Help me? Sorry – is that what you call this? Helping me?”

That comment, Harry says, angered his brother, who swore while stepping towards him. Now scared, Harry writes, he went to the kitchen, his furious brother following.

Harry writes that he gave his brother a glass of water and said: “Willy, I can’t speak to you when you’re like this.”

He writes: “He set down the water, called me another name, then came at me. It all happened so fast. So very fast. He grabbed me by the collar, ripping my necklace, and he knocked me to the floor. I landed on the dog’s bowl, which cracked under my back, the pieces cutting into me. I lay there for a moment, dazed, then got to my feet and told him to get out.”

Harry writes that William urged him to hit back, citing fights they had as children. Harry says he refused to do so. William left, Harry says, then returned “looking regretful, and apologised”.

When William left again, his brother writes, he “turned and called back: ‘You don’t need to tell Meg about this.’

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/jan/04/prince-harry-william-physical-attack-2019-meghan-spare-book

The story about Kate and Will encouraging Harry to dress in the Nazi costume is the worst one in my opinion. It's one thing for 20 year old Harry to have bad judgment--he'll never have an important role in Britain. But the future king and queen?
https://people.com/royals/prince-harry-says-kate-middleton-prince-william-told-him-wear-nazi-costume-spare-reports/

WOW. This grown ass man is completely unable to take any responsibility for his actions. Is he really trying to blame this particular event on anyone other than himself? It completely diminishes his credibility on other topics.

I think he solely took responsibility for that action for more than a decade. But if he says that Will and Kate also egged him on, he's got a right to share his story.

I actually think all of the criticism for this is unfair - the rules changed very recently and this event preceded the time when dressing like a bad guy was no longer acceptable. But when he starts defensively pointing a finger at his brother and SIL, who he used to have a good relationship with, it's just pathetic. None of them knew better at the time. Now they all do. He can say whatever he wants, but that doesn't mean he should.

Um, no. They're in their 40s. Dressing like a Nazi for a costume party wasn't ever acceptable or funny in their time. Jewish people. Old people with memories of being blitzed. Anyone who finds anti-Semitism wrong. These are all people who would not find this not acceptable.

Yes, dressing for a costume party used to be okay. Now it's not. We've changed the rules - but in the not-too-distant past, it wasn't unacceptable. (I actually wonder if the rules have changed or if the costume parties with offensive costumes are just a little quieter nowadays.)

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Anonymous wrote:If these are the worst stories they can come up with....

she wagged a finger at me after I made a snarky comment about hormones...

he pushed me back after we got in a face to face shouting match about my wife bullying people....

This is a lot of ruined relationships over pretty petty family conflicts.

The confrontation escalated, Harry writes, until William “grabbed me by the collar, ripping my necklace, and … knocked me to the floor”.

The extraordinary scene, which Harry says resulted in visible injury to his back, is one of many in Spare, which will be published worldwide next week and is likely to spark a serious furore for the British royal family.

… After William complained about Meghan, Harry writes, Harry told him he was repeating the press narrative and that he expected better. But William, Harry says, was not being rational, leading to the two men shouting over each other.

Harry then accused his brother of acting like an heir, unable to understand why his younger brother was not content to be a spare.


Insults were exchanged, before William claimed he was trying to help.

Harry said: “Are you serious? Help me? Sorry – is that what you call this? Helping me?”

That comment, Harry says, angered his brother, who swore while stepping towards him. Now scared, Harry writes, he went to the kitchen, his furious brother following.

Harry writes that he gave his brother a glass of water and said: “Willy, I can’t speak to you when you’re like this.”

He writes: “He set down the water, called me another name, then came at me. It all happened so fast. So very fast. He grabbed me by the collar, ripping my necklace, and he knocked me to the floor. I landed on the dog’s bowl, which cracked under my back, the pieces cutting into me. I lay there for a moment, dazed, then got to my feet and told him to get out.”

Harry writes that William urged him to hit back, citing fights they had as children. Harry says he refused to do so. William left, Harry says, then returned “looking regretful, and apologised”.

When William left again, his brother writes, he “turned and called back: ‘You don’t need to tell Meg about this.’

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/jan/04/prince-harry-william-physical-attack-2019-meghan-spare-book

The story about Kate and Will encouraging Harry to dress in the Nazi costume is the worst one in my opinion. It's one thing for 20 year old Harry to have bad judgment--he'll never have an important role in Britain. But the future king and queen?
https://people.com/royals/prince-harry-says-kate-middleton-prince-william-told-him-wear-nazi-costume-spare-reports/

Yeah, none of them look good there but Kate wasn’t even married to him yet. I’m also not sure how much I buy the story because he seems to be paranoid and exaggerating and vengeful.

I found an earlier telling of this story from a few years ago and looked at the media shortly after it happened and there is no mention of Kate at all being present. It talks about Harry and William going togetherto get costumes and how the party was themed Natives and Colonials and they were joking around about various costumes including the Nazi one. William may have been laughing and validaging Harry in going for it given it was a party amongst friends who also thought it wise to attend a Natives and Colonials party at the Meads house. From the descriptions of other costues, many were offesnive, inappropriate, racist, and insensitive...and that seemed to be a bit of the aim of the party. Two years earlier Prince Wiliam's Out of Africa themed birthday party had drawn a similar crowd with their various African costimes. So when Harry got in trouble publicly - he felt singled out, maybe he took it to an 11 but most at the party were at a 9 and had thought it funny, including his brother.

Yes. I posted this up thread. I think it’s beyond clear that Harry and Meghan hate Kate and want to tar her. When the story broke, Kate was never referenced. Now? Oh she was laughing uproariously at Nazis and helped encourage Harry to wear the costume!

This smells like bullshit. I truly don’t see a rational adult not catching this. But it’s of a piece with him sharing that he “and William” told their dad oh sure we’ll accept the person you love as long as you do r marry her. This is all straight up bananas.

Yeah yeah, Kate also made him call his Pakistani service mates “rag heads”, she made him get into fights outside clubs, play pool naked in Vegas etc etc.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11602551/Prince-Harrys-book-William-pointed-finger-Meghan-called-rude.html
I hope Spare is clearer than this DailyMail article. Meghan makes a comment about hormones that sets Kate off at the bridal salon, but then somehow (at a different point in time?) William shows up and waves a finger in her face and that makes Meghan cry?

The way I read this is that there was a confrontation after the bridal salon exchange.

Man if someone I barely knew told me I had "baby brain" I would be LIVID. Is anyone else seeing this as William defending his wife?

Yeah, but I thought there was crying during the bridal salon exchange, so I guess I'm just not understanding the sequence. Anyway, I can see how some people would get pissed at that kind of offhand remark being made, especially Kate with her tough pregnancies. But many many many others would just laugh it off.

yeah. i joke about mommy brain and baby brain with my friends (who are also mothers). it's definitely not up there with the worst things you could say to an in-law.

Not the worst thing. But it can be used as an insult. And getting a finger wag in response seems appropriate.

Not a great relationship among in-laws. But not the worst. Or at least not then - now it is. SMH

How could the money and revenge possibly have been worth the end of your relationship with your only brother? I don't care how much you resented being "the spare," it is simply not worth it.

What did Harry actually want of William? To change their birth order? In every aspect of life (like it or not), there is a hierarchy.

I think he wanted his family/the institution to protect him in the same way William was protected. It's an understandable desire, if not realistic.

Of course he didn't want to "change the birth order." God, I don't think he envies William in any way and barely tolerated his royal duties, given what happened to his mother. And after finding other things that gave him more happiness: his military service, his philanthropies, and now his wife/kids. He absolutely expected his brother and father to protect his family and they didn't, going as far to remove their security detail once they decided to step away. Were they entitled to pull it back? Sure. But it makes them look petty and vindictive, and left them open to security breaches. Jesus, Tyler Perry had to step in to help them when their own family couldn't be magnanimous enough to keep them safe. It's absolutely grotesque.

While there are not doubt different recollections on the two sides re: some of the details, I 100000% believe Harry and Meghan. There are plenty of examples of hideous behavior by the Royal family to know what they are saying is true. Good for them for stepping away. Protecting their family. And of not longer sitting back and being the punching bags and telling their side.

Yep same. H&M wanted his family to simply tell the truth to help them, and they wouldn't. Meghan needed mental health help and they would not do anything for them. The Institution is simply protecting themselves, and once William & Kate had children they could've cared less about Harry. They had an opportunity with M being biracial and instead of embracing it they pushed them out. They did zero for them and even put them into harms way.

Good for them for getting out and telling their story. I don't think their story changes, but I do think they are choosing to reveal a bit more each time they speak.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11602551/Prince-Harrys-book-William-pointed-finger-Meghan-called-rude.html
I hope Spare is clearer than this DailyMail article. Meghan makes a comment about hormones that sets Kate off at the bridal salon, but then somehow (at a different point in time?) William shows up and waves a finger in her face and that makes Meghan cry?

The way I read this is that there was a confrontation after the bridal salon exchange.

Man if someone I barely knew told me I had "baby brain" I would be LIVID. Is anyone else seeing this as William defending his wife?

Yeah, but I thought there was crying during the bridal salon exchange, so I guess I'm just not understanding the sequence. Anyway, I can see how some people would get pissed at that kind of offhand remark being made, especially Kate with her tough pregnancies. But many many many others would just laugh it off.

yeah. i joke about mommy brain and baby brain with my friends (who are also mothers). it's definitely not up there with the worst things you could say to an in-law.

Not the worst thing. But it can be used as an insult. And getting a finger wag in response seems appropriate.

Not a great relationship among in-laws. But not the worst. Or at least not then - now it is. SMH

How could the money and revenge possibly have been worth the end of your relationship with your only brother? I don't care how much you resented being "the spare," it is simply not worth it.

What did Harry actually want of William? To change their birth order? In every aspect of life (like it or not), there is a hierarchy.

I think he wanted his family/the institution to protect him in the same way William was protected. It's an understandable desire, if not realistic.

Of course he didn't want to "change the birth order." God, I don't think he envies William in any way and barely tolerated his royal duties, given what happened to his mother. And after finding other things that gave him more happiness: his military service, his philanthropies, and now his wife/kids. He absolutely expected his brother and father to protect his family and they didn't, going as far to remove their security detail once they decided to step away. Were they entitled to pull it back? Sure. But it makes them look petty and vindictive, and left them open to security breaches. Jesus, Tyler Perry had to step in to help them when their own family couldn't be magnanimous enough to keep them safe. It's absolutely grotesque.

While there are not doubt different recollections on the two sides re: some of the details, I 100000% believe Harry and Meghan. There are plenty of examples of hideous behavior by the Royal family to know what they are saying is true. Good for them for stepping away. Protecting their family. And of not longer sitting back and being the punching bags and telling their side.

Not one thing you’ve written has been substantiated. You’re wrong factually on security. You’re wrong factually on protection - Harry blamed a teacher for his cheating and she successfully sued. They are liars who have zero relationship with anyone in their family save a parent and a step niece who got shat on my Meg to the degree that she didn’t make the wedding cut when Amal Clooney did. Fact. Inconvenient, but a fact.

At least it’s essentially over now. Harry will never regain what worked for him and made him popular. His rep in his home is destroyed, all by his own hand.