TJ Discrimination Case

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Anonymous wrote:the original argument was that blacks are disadvantaged. It's the opposite blacks are advantaged in college admissions and decent company corporate recruiting

You're mistaken. Admissions are race blind. The argument was that the admissions favored affluent families who often spend upward of $20k on prep to ensure their kids present as gifted. This puts those who are truly gifted but low-income at a big disadvantage so they wanted to reduce the impact of prep. This became even more critical with the widespread cheating since some were even able to buy access to the test questions.

+1000 The problem is many parents liked being able to game admissions and are angry that they can no longer buy their kids way into TJ.

Most TJ kids also had 4.0 GPAs and amazing extracurriculars. The admissions process was already holistic. There’s a reason the school board couldn’t just drop the test and be done with it. They went out of their way to engineer a model that minimized scholastic achievement.

Earning 4.0 GPAs and winning competitions is a weird definition of “buying” into TJ.

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Anonymous wrote:Look it's very easy. This all started with the NAACP. Some/Most Democrats bend over backward for this organization, frankly because they are deathly afraid to be called racist.

You might not like Asra's approach but it's what needs to be done. Democrats need to be afraid that they will be called racist if they ever go against asians

That's all the democratic party is a bunch of spineless politicians afraid of special interest groups and kowtowing to increasingly extreme and radical demands to appear woke.

To be fair many republicans do the same thing with the insane MAGA crowd.

It's why unaffiliated is dramatically increasing. Both parties suck.

The problem is that Asra looks like a clown show because she's advocating on behalf of a people who are relatively VERY well off in the Northern Virginia area from her estate in Great Falls. Her message resonates with other rich folks but when she tries to compare their struggle to that of African-Americans in this country, she comes off as incredibly tone deaf to everyone who is NOT in her affinity group.

If you need evidence of how out of touch she is, look at the videos that she posts where she's shrieking like a lunatic. Any normal person would want to distance themselves from that sort of self-incriminating footage as much as possible, but she uses it as leverage to gain the sympathy of other folks who, like her, believe that Black people are inferior and undeserving.

If anything is out of touch, it's the TJ Alumni Action Group types pretending that admitting a few more Black kids to TJ is going to meaningfully address the "struggle of African Americans in this county."

FCPS just released Class of 2022 SAT scores. It's not pretty. Black kids continue to have the lowest scores of any group in the county. The average at Mount Vernon, of the schools with the largest percentage of Black kids, was only 988.

But, sure, keep pretending your efforts to replace merit at TJ with tokenism are going to move the needle in any meaningful way. It makes you feel good and as a bonus you get to toss grenades at the highest performing group, Asian students, whose parents often came this country with nothing.

1) A few more spots at TJ isn't going to address the struggle of African-Americans in this country. You're conflating arguments. My point was that Asra is a clown for comparing her struggles to theirs. That's not a controversial statement.

2) No one is tossing grenades at Asian students who has any decision-making power. Some idiots on here are, to be sure, but no one cares about them. What is happening is simply a long-term, still-in-progress adjustment to a process that demonstrably FAVORED Asian students through an over-emphasis on an outdated mode of evaluation that was compromised by a nine-figure prep complex that created huge advantages for families with disposable time, income, and the willingness to invest their resources to create imbalances in the process.

3) There are a staggering amount of Asian parents on this board who seem to want their children to get bonus points for the fact that they came to America with nothing. You are to be commended for the fact that you came to America and built a life for yourself through what undoubtedly was a huge struggle for you and a huge risk for your family. My father did the exact same thing.

But just as my parents provided a very comfortable life for me through THEIR hard work, your children likely have a lot of advantages that others don't through yours. Their lives will almost certainly be very comfortable as a result, irrespective of whether or not they matriculate to TJ or an Ivy League school or whatever. If I'm evaluating applications, I'm looking at context; what did this child do in the context of their circumstances? And while I think FCPS still has work to do in this area to identify the top students at each middle school (reinstituting teacher recs, conducting interviews, liaising with students services folks, etc), their attempt in this area is admirable.

Your kid is not being punished for your success - they're simply no longer being rewarded for it. And I can understand how that feels like a jab at you, given how many parents in that community seem to view TJ and college admissions acceptances as an accomplishment for the family (read: the parents) rather than for the student - but it's not. Schools aren't admitting parents; they're admitting kids.

You make a good argument and I agree with some of your points but what's missing is any acknowledgment that there always has been and continues to be a lot of discrimination against Asians in the United States. Not a day goes by when my child is not being made fun of or stereotyped for how they look. My child's good friend is Hispanic but white Hispanic with blond hair and when they talk about discrimination the friend shrugs and says they have not experienced any of it because of how they look. Why is my child's experience devalued?

It isn't... it just has nothing to do with getting into an elite school. The ugly historic discrimination that has been suffered by Asian-Americans in this country is something that we should all be ashamed of - but "my kid gets made fun of because of how they look" doesn't equate to "we have no money because my parents can't get a high paying job because people think Black folks are inherently dumber".

You really don’t get it do you? Asians also lose out on jobs too because people stereotype them as lower class, stupid because of accents, or other horrible ideas about race. Do you a white person actually have any idea what it is like? It goes far beyond being teased or bullied but the fact that you brush that off as not a big deal shows your ignorance. How dare you.

…what year do you think it is?

When corrected for education, Asians are the race least likely to be promoted to management or be elected to office.

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Anonymous wrote:Look it's very easy. This all started with the NAACP. Some/Most Democrats bend over backward for this organization, frankly because they are deathly afraid to be called racist.

You might not like Asra's approach but it's what needs to be done. Democrats need to be afraid that they will be called racist if they ever go against asians

That's all the democratic party is a bunch of spineless politicians afraid of special interest groups and kowtowing to increasingly extreme and radical demands to appear woke.

To be fair many republicans do the same thing with the insane MAGA crowd.

It's why unaffiliated is dramatically increasing. Both parties suck.

The problem is that Asra looks like a clown show because she's advocating on behalf of a people who are relatively VERY well off in the Northern Virginia area from her estate in Great Falls. Her message resonates with other rich folks but when she tries to compare their struggle to that of African-Americans in this country, she comes off as incredibly tone deaf to everyone who is NOT in her affinity group.

If you need evidence of how out of touch she is, look at the videos that she posts where she's shrieking like a lunatic. Any normal person would want to distance themselves from that sort of self-incriminating footage as much as possible, but she uses it as leverage to gain the sympathy of other folks who, like her, believe that Black people are inferior and undeserving.

If anything is out of touch, it's the TJ Alumni Action Group types pretending that admitting a few more Black kids to TJ is going to meaningfully address the "struggle of African Americans in this county."

FCPS just released Class of 2022 SAT scores. It's not pretty. Black kids continue to have the lowest scores of any group in the county. The average at Mount Vernon, of the schools with the largest percentage of Black kids, was only 988.

But, sure, keep pretending your efforts to replace merit at TJ with tokenism are going to move the needle in any meaningful way. It makes you feel good and as a bonus you get to toss grenades at the highest performing group, Asian students, whose parents often came this country with nothing.

1) A few more spots at TJ isn't going to address the struggle of African-Americans in this country. You're conflating arguments. My point was that Asra is a clown for comparing her struggles to theirs. That's not a controversial statement.

2) No one is tossing grenades at Asian students who has any decision-making power. Some idiots on here are, to be sure, but no one cares about them. What is happening is simply a long-term, still-in-progress adjustment to a process that demonstrably FAVORED Asian students through an over-emphasis on an outdated mode of evaluation that was compromised by a nine-figure prep complex that created huge advantages for families with disposable time, income, and the willingness to invest their resources to create imbalances in the process.

3) There are a staggering amount of Asian parents on this board who seem to want their children to get bonus points for the fact that they came to America with nothing. You are to be commended for the fact that you came to America and built a life for yourself through what undoubtedly was a huge struggle for you and a huge risk for your family. My father did the exact same thing.

But just as my parents provided a very comfortable life for me through THEIR hard work, your children likely have a lot of advantages that others don't through yours. Their lives will almost certainly be very comfortable as a result, irrespective of whether or not they matriculate to TJ or an Ivy League school or whatever. If I'm evaluating applications, I'm looking at context; what did this child do in the context of their circumstances? And while I think FCPS still has work to do in this area to identify the top students at each middle school (reinstituting teacher recs, conducting interviews, liaising with students services folks, etc), their attempt in this area is admirable.

Your kid is not being punished for your success - they're simply no longer being rewarded for it. And I can understand how that feels like a jab at you, given how many parents in that community seem to view TJ and college admissions acceptances as an accomplishment for the family (read: the parents) rather than for the student - but it's not. Schools aren't admitting parents; they're admitting kids.

You make a good argument and I agree with some of your points but what's missing is any acknowledgment that there always has been and continues to be a lot of discrimination against Asians in the United States. Not a day goes by when my child is not being made fun of or stereotyped for how they look. My child's good friend is Hispanic but white Hispanic with blond hair and when they talk about discrimination the friend shrugs and says they have not experienced any of it because of how they look. Why is my child's experience devalued?

It isn't... it just has nothing to do with getting into an elite school. The ugly historic discrimination that has been suffered by Asian-Americans in this country is something that we should all be ashamed of - but "my kid gets made fun of because of how they look" doesn't equate to "we have no money because my parents can't get a high paying job because people think Black folks are inherently dumber".

You really don’t get it do you? Asians also lose out on jobs too because people stereotype them as lower class, stupid because of accents, or other horrible ideas about race. Do you a white person actually have any idea what it is like? It goes far beyond being teased or bullied but the fact that you brush that off as not a big deal shows your ignorance. How dare you.

…what year do you think it is?

When corrected for education, Asians are the race least likely to be promoted to management or be elected to office.

Well that's because they do the real work that requires brains behind the scenes, management and politicians are mostly filled with dumba$$es. Many Asians could do those jobs easily, but they would not find their lives fulfilled by practicing deception on a daily basis or spouting off random feel good BS. The world advances on the backs of scientists, researchers, engineers and not very many folks here in the US are cut out to do those jobs. Politicians and managers? They're a dime a dozen.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:the original argument was that blacks are disadvantaged. It's the opposite blacks are advantaged in college admissions and decent company corporate recruiting

You're mistaken. Admissions are race blind. The argument was that the admissions favored affluent families who often spend upward of $20k on prep to ensure their kids present as gifted. This puts those who are truly gifted but low-income at a big disadvantage so they wanted to reduce the impact of prep. This became even more critical with the widespread cheating since some were even able to buy access to the test questions.

+1000 The problem is many parents liked being able to game admissions and are angry that they can no longer buy their kids way into TJ.

Most TJ kids also had 4.0 GPAs and amazing extracurriculars. The admissions process was already holistic. There’s a reason the school board couldn’t just drop the test and be done with it. They went out of their way to engineer a model that minimized scholastic achievement.

Earning 4.0 GPAs and winning competitions is a weird definition of “buying” into TJ.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Look it's very easy. This all started with the NAACP. Some/Most Democrats bend over backward for this organization, frankly because they are deathly afraid to be called racist.

You might not like Asra's approach but it's what needs to be done. Democrats need to be afraid that they will be called racist if they ever go against asians

That's all the democratic party is a bunch of spineless politicians afraid of special interest groups and kowtowing to increasingly extreme and radical demands to appear woke.

To be fair many republicans do the same thing with the insane MAGA crowd.

It's why unaffiliated is dramatically increasing. Both parties suck.

The problem is that Asra looks like a clown show because she's advocating on behalf of a people who are relatively VERY well off in the Northern Virginia area from her estate in Great Falls. Her message resonates with other rich folks but when she tries to compare their struggle to that of African-Americans in this country, she comes off as incredibly tone deaf to everyone who is NOT in her affinity group.

If you need evidence of how out of touch she is, look at the videos that she posts where she's shrieking like a lunatic. Any normal person would want to distance themselves from that sort of self-incriminating footage as much as possible, but she uses it as leverage to gain the sympathy of other folks who, like her, believe that Black people are inferior and undeserving.

If anything is out of touch, it's the TJ Alumni Action Group types pretending that admitting a few more Black kids to TJ is going to meaningfully address the "struggle of African Americans in this county."

FCPS just released Class of 2022 SAT scores. It's not pretty. Black kids continue to have the lowest scores of any group in the county. The average at Mount Vernon, of the schools with the largest percentage of Black kids, was only 988.

But, sure, keep pretending your efforts to replace merit at TJ with tokenism are going to move the needle in any meaningful way. It makes you feel good and as a bonus you get to toss grenades at the highest performing group, Asian students, whose parents often came this country with nothing.

1) A few more spots at TJ isn't going to address the struggle of African-Americans in this country. You're conflating arguments. My point was that Asra is a clown for comparing her struggles to theirs. That's not a controversial statement.

2) No one is tossing grenades at Asian students who has any decision-making power. Some idiots on here are, to be sure, but no one cares about them. What is happening is simply a long-term, still-in-progress adjustment to a process that demonstrably FAVORED Asian students through an over-emphasis on an outdated mode of evaluation that was compromised by a nine-figure prep complex that created huge advantages for families with disposable time, income, and the willingness to invest their resources to create imbalances in the process.

3) There are a staggering amount of Asian parents on this board who seem to want their children to get bonus points for the fact that they came to America with nothing. You are to be commended for the fact that you came to America and built a life for yourself through what undoubtedly was a huge struggle for you and a huge risk for your family. My father did the exact same thing.

But just as my parents provided a very comfortable life for me through THEIR hard work, your children likely have a lot of advantages that others don't through yours. Their lives will almost certainly be very comfortable as a result, irrespective of whether or not they matriculate to TJ or an Ivy League school or whatever. If I'm evaluating applications, I'm looking at context; what did this child do in the context of their circumstances? And while I think FCPS still has work to do in this area to identify the top students at each middle school (reinstituting teacher recs, conducting interviews, liaising with students services folks, etc), their attempt in this area is admirable.

Your kid is not being punished for your success - they're simply no longer being rewarded for it. And I can understand how that feels like a jab at you, given how many parents in that community seem to view TJ and college admissions acceptances as an accomplishment for the family (read: the parents) rather than for the student - but it's not. Schools aren't admitting parents; they're admitting kids.

You make a good argument and I agree with some of your points but what's missing is any acknowledgment that there always has been and continues to be a lot of discrimination against Asians in the United States. Not a day goes by when my child is not being made fun of or stereotyped for how they look. My child's good friend is Hispanic but white Hispanic with blond hair and when they talk about discrimination the friend shrugs and says they have not experienced any of it because of how they look. Why is my child's experience devalued?

It isn't... it just has nothing to do with getting into an elite school. The ugly historic discrimination that has been suffered by Asian-Americans in this country is something that we should all be ashamed of - but "my kid gets made fun of because of how they look" doesn't equate to "we have no money because my parents can't get a high paying job because people think Black folks are inherently dumber".

You really don’t get it do you? Asians also lose out on jobs too because people stereotype them as lower class, stupid because of accents, or other horrible ideas about race. Do you a white person actually have any idea what it is like? It goes far beyond being teased or bullied but the fact that you brush that off as not a big deal shows your ignorance. How dare you.

…what year do you think it is?

When corrected for education, Asians are the race least likely to be promoted to management or be elected to office.

Well that's because they do the real work that requires brains behind the scenes, management and politicians are mostly filled with dumba$$es. Many Asians could do those jobs easily, but they would not find their lives fulfilled by practicing deception on a daily basis or spouting off random feel good BS. The world advances on the backs of scientists, researchers, engineers and not very many folks here in the US are cut out to do those jobs. Politicians and managers? They're a dime a dozen.

The test was used as a means to eliminate many from consideration without even looking at achievements. Unfortunately only the wealthy could afford to buy advanced access to the test questions. The process was broken.

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Anonymous wrote:Look it's very easy. This all started with the NAACP. Some/Most Democrats bend over backward for this organization, frankly because they are deathly afraid to be called racist.

You might not like Asra's approach but it's what needs to be done. Democrats need to be afraid that they will be called racist if they ever go against asians

That's all the democratic party is a bunch of spineless politicians afraid of special interest groups and kowtowing to increasingly extreme and radical demands to appear woke.

To be fair many republicans do the same thing with the insane MAGA crowd.

It's why unaffiliated is dramatically increasing. Both parties suck.

The problem is that Asra looks like a clown show because she's advocating on behalf of a people who are relatively VERY well off in the Northern Virginia area from her estate in Great Falls. Her message resonates with other rich folks but when she tries to compare their struggle to that of African-Americans in this country, she comes off as incredibly tone deaf to everyone who is NOT in her affinity group.

If you need evidence of how out of touch she is, look at the videos that she posts where she's shrieking like a lunatic. Any normal person would want to distance themselves from that sort of self-incriminating footage as much as possible, but she uses it as leverage to gain the sympathy of other folks who, like her, believe that Black people are inferior and undeserving.

If anything is out of touch, it's the TJ Alumni Action Group types pretending that admitting a few more Black kids to TJ is going to meaningfully address the "struggle of African Americans in this county."

FCPS just released Class of 2022 SAT scores. It's not pretty. Black kids continue to have the lowest scores of any group in the county. The average at Mount Vernon, of the schools with the largest percentage of Black kids, was only 988.

But, sure, keep pretending your efforts to replace merit at TJ with tokenism are going to move the needle in any meaningful way. It makes you feel good and as a bonus you get to toss grenades at the highest performing group, Asian students, whose parents often came this country with nothing.

1) A few more spots at TJ isn't going to address the struggle of African-Americans in this country. You're conflating arguments. My point was that Asra is a clown for comparing her struggles to theirs. That's not a controversial statement.

2) No one is tossing grenades at Asian students who has any decision-making power. Some idiots on here are, to be sure, but no one cares about them. What is happening is simply a long-term, still-in-progress adjustment to a process that demonstrably FAVORED Asian students through an over-emphasis on an outdated mode of evaluation that was compromised by a nine-figure prep complex that created huge advantages for families with disposable time, income, and the willingness to invest their resources to create imbalances in the process.

3) There are a staggering amount of Asian parents on this board who seem to want their children to get bonus points for the fact that they came to America with nothing. You are to be commended for the fact that you came to America and built a life for yourself through what undoubtedly was a huge struggle for you and a huge risk for your family. My father did the exact same thing.

But just as my parents provided a very comfortable life for me through THEIR hard work, your children likely have a lot of advantages that others don't through yours. Their lives will almost certainly be very comfortable as a result, irrespective of whether or not they matriculate to TJ or an Ivy League school or whatever. If I'm evaluating applications, I'm looking at context; what did this child do in the context of their circumstances? And while I think FCPS still has work to do in this area to identify the top students at each middle school (reinstituting teacher recs, conducting interviews, liaising with students services folks, etc), their attempt in this area is admirable.

Your kid is not being punished for your success - they're simply no longer being rewarded for it. And I can understand how that feels like a jab at you, given how many parents in that community seem to view TJ and college admissions acceptances as an accomplishment for the family (read: the parents) rather than for the student - but it's not. Schools aren't admitting parents; they're admitting kids.

You make a good argument and I agree with some of your points but what's missing is any acknowledgment that there always has been and continues to be a lot of discrimination against Asians in the United States. Not a day goes by when my child is not being made fun of or stereotyped for how they look. My child's good friend is Hispanic but white Hispanic with blond hair and when they talk about discrimination the friend shrugs and says they have not experienced any of it because of how they look. Why is my child's experience devalued?

It isn't... it just has nothing to do with getting into an elite school. The ugly historic discrimination that has been suffered by Asian-Americans in this country is something that we should all be ashamed of - but "my kid gets made fun of because of how they look" doesn't equate to "we have no money because my parents can't get a high paying job because people think Black folks are inherently dumber".

You really don’t get it do you? Asians also lose out on jobs too because people stereotype them as lower class, stupid because of accents, or other horrible ideas about race. Do you a white person actually have any idea what it is like? It goes far beyond being teased or bullied but the fact that you brush that off as not a big deal shows your ignorance. How dare you.

…what year do you think it is?

When corrected for education, Asians are the race least likely to be promoted to management or be elected to office.

Well that's because they do the real work that requires brains behind the scenes, management and politicians are mostly filled with dumba$$es. Many Asians could do those jobs easily, but they would not find their lives fulfilled by practicing deception on a daily basis or spouting off random feel good BS. The world advances on the backs of scientists, researchers, engineers and not very many folks here in the US are cut out to do those jobs. Politicians and managers? They're a dime a dozen.

The test was used as a means to eliminate many from consideration without even looking at achievements. Unfortunately only the wealthy could afford to buy advanced access to the test questions. The process was broken.

Fake news. The only thing they bought was lots of prep offered by various cram schools. And why shouldn't they, when in this area schools do a terrible job of teaching anything resembling math? You can see that by driving around and seeing how many different math prep companies exist (not just prep for TJ). There are too many to name and that speaks to how horrible the education in schools really is. If schools did an adequate job, math prep wouldn't be a huge business.

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Anonymous wrote:Look it's very easy. This all started with the NAACP. Some/Most Democrats bend over backward for this organization, frankly because they are deathly afraid to be called racist.

You might not like Asra's approach but it's what needs to be done. Democrats need to be afraid that they will be called racist if they ever go against asians

That's all the democratic party is a bunch of spineless politicians afraid of special interest groups and kowtowing to increasingly extreme and radical demands to appear woke.

To be fair many republicans do the same thing with the insane MAGA crowd.

It's why unaffiliated is dramatically increasing. Both parties suck.

The problem is that Asra looks like a clown show because she's advocating on behalf of a people who are relatively VERY well off in the Northern Virginia area from her estate in Great Falls. Her message resonates with other rich folks but when she tries to compare their struggle to that of African-Americans in this country, she comes off as incredibly tone deaf to everyone who is NOT in her affinity group.

If you need evidence of how out of touch she is, look at the videos that she posts where she's shrieking like a lunatic. Any normal person would want to distance themselves from that sort of self-incriminating footage as much as possible, but she uses it as leverage to gain the sympathy of other folks who, like her, believe that Black people are inferior and undeserving.

If anything is out of touch, it's the TJ Alumni Action Group types pretending that admitting a few more Black kids to TJ is going to meaningfully address the "struggle of African Americans in this county."

FCPS just released Class of 2022 SAT scores. It's not pretty. Black kids continue to have the lowest scores of any group in the county. The average at Mount Vernon, of the schools with the largest percentage of Black kids, was only 988.

But, sure, keep pretending your efforts to replace merit at TJ with tokenism are going to move the needle in any meaningful way. It makes you feel good and as a bonus you get to toss grenades at the highest performing group, Asian students, whose parents often came this country with nothing.

1) A few more spots at TJ isn't going to address the struggle of African-Americans in this country. You're conflating arguments. My point was that Asra is a clown for comparing her struggles to theirs. That's not a controversial statement.

2) No one is tossing grenades at Asian students who has any decision-making power. Some idiots on here are, to be sure, but no one cares about them. What is happening is simply a long-term, still-in-progress adjustment to a process that demonstrably FAVORED Asian students through an over-emphasis on an outdated mode of evaluation that was compromised by a nine-figure prep complex that created huge advantages for families with disposable time, income, and the willingness to invest their resources to create imbalances in the process.

3) There are a staggering amount of Asian parents on this board who seem to want their children to get bonus points for the fact that they came to America with nothing. You are to be commended for the fact that you came to America and built a life for yourself through what undoubtedly was a huge struggle for you and a huge risk for your family. My father did the exact same thing.

But just as my parents provided a very comfortable life for me through THEIR hard work, your children likely have a lot of advantages that others don't through yours. Their lives will almost certainly be very comfortable as a result, irrespective of whether or not they matriculate to TJ or an Ivy League school or whatever. If I'm evaluating applications, I'm looking at context; what did this child do in the context of their circumstances? And while I think FCPS still has work to do in this area to identify the top students at each middle school (reinstituting teacher recs, conducting interviews, liaising with students services folks, etc), their attempt in this area is admirable.

Your kid is not being punished for your success - they're simply no longer being rewarded for it. And I can understand how that feels like a jab at you, given how many parents in that community seem to view TJ and college admissions acceptances as an accomplishment for the family (read: the parents) rather than for the student - but it's not. Schools aren't admitting parents; they're admitting kids.

You make a good argument and I agree with some of your points but what's missing is any acknowledgment that there always has been and continues to be a lot of discrimination against Asians in the United States. Not a day goes by when my child is not being made fun of or stereotyped for how they look. My child's good friend is Hispanic but white Hispanic with blond hair and when they talk about discrimination the friend shrugs and says they have not experienced any of it because of how they look. Why is my child's experience devalued?

It isn't... it just has nothing to do with getting into an elite school. The ugly historic discrimination that has been suffered by Asian-Americans in this country is something that we should all be ashamed of - but "my kid gets made fun of because of how they look" doesn't equate to "we have no money because my parents can't get a high paying job because people think Black folks are inherently dumber".

You really don’t get it do you? Asians also lose out on jobs too because people stereotype them as lower class, stupid because of accents, or other horrible ideas about race. Do you a white person actually have any idea what it is like? It goes far beyond being teased or bullied but the fact that you brush that off as not a big deal shows your ignorance. How dare you.

…what year do you think it is?

When corrected for education, Asians are the race least likely to be promoted to management or be elected to office.

Well that's because they do the real work that requires brains behind the scenes, management and politicians are mostly filled with dumba$$es. Many Asians could do those jobs easily, but they would not find their lives fulfilled by practicing deception on a daily basis or spouting off random feel good BS. The world advances on the backs of scientists, researchers, engineers and not very many folks here in the US are cut out to do those jobs. Politicians and managers? They're a dime a dozen.

The test was used as a means to eliminate many from consideration without even looking at achievements. Unfortunately only the wealthy could afford to buy advanced access to the test questions. The process was broken.

Fake news. The only thing they bought was lots of prep offered by various cram schools. And why shouldn't they, when in this area schools do a terrible job of teaching anything resembling math? You can see that by driving around and seeing how many different math prep companies exist (not just prep for TJ). There are too many to name and that speaks to how horrible the education in schools really is. If schools did an adequate job, math prep wouldn't be a huge business.

These math prep places exist to feed off the insecurities of recent immigrants. They aren't necessary or frankly wanted here. Acceleration by focusing on math for an extra 1-2 hours plus a day doesn't mean you are smart. I would wager at least the top 1/3 of students would be as least as "Advanced" if they were spending additional time on math.

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Anonymous wrote:Look it's very easy. This all started with the NAACP. Some/Most Democrats bend over backward for this organization, frankly because they are deathly afraid to be called racist.

You might not like Asra's approach but it's what needs to be done. Democrats need to be afraid that they will be called racist if they ever go against asians

That's all the democratic party is a bunch of spineless politicians afraid of special interest groups and kowtowing to increasingly extreme and radical demands to appear woke.

To be fair many republicans do the same thing with the insane MAGA crowd.

It's why unaffiliated is dramatically increasing. Both parties suck.

The problem is that Asra looks like a clown show because she's advocating on behalf of a people who are relatively VERY well off in the Northern Virginia area from her estate in Great Falls. Her message resonates with other rich folks but when she tries to compare their struggle to that of African-Americans in this country, she comes off as incredibly tone deaf to everyone who is NOT in her affinity group.

If you need evidence of how out of touch she is, look at the videos that she posts where she's shrieking like a lunatic. Any normal person would want to distance themselves from that sort of self-incriminating footage as much as possible, but she uses it as leverage to gain the sympathy of other folks who, like her, believe that Black people are inferior and undeserving.

If anything is out of touch, it's the TJ Alumni Action Group types pretending that admitting a few more Black kids to TJ is going to meaningfully address the "struggle of African Americans in this county."

FCPS just released Class of 2022 SAT scores. It's not pretty. Black kids continue to have the lowest scores of any group in the county. The average at Mount Vernon, of the schools with the largest percentage of Black kids, was only 988.

But, sure, keep pretending your efforts to replace merit at TJ with tokenism are going to move the needle in any meaningful way. It makes you feel good and as a bonus you get to toss grenades at the highest performing group, Asian students, whose parents often came this country with nothing.

1) A few more spots at TJ isn't going to address the struggle of African-Americans in this country. You're conflating arguments. My point was that Asra is a clown for comparing her struggles to theirs. That's not a controversial statement.

2) No one is tossing grenades at Asian students who has any decision-making power. Some idiots on here are, to be sure, but no one cares about them. What is happening is simply a long-term, still-in-progress adjustment to a process that demonstrably FAVORED Asian students through an over-emphasis on an outdated mode of evaluation that was compromised by a nine-figure prep complex that created huge advantages for families with disposable time, income, and the willingness to invest their resources to create imbalances in the process.

3) There are a staggering amount of Asian parents on this board who seem to want their children to get bonus points for the fact that they came to America with nothing. You are to be commended for the fact that you came to America and built a life for yourself through what undoubtedly was a huge struggle for you and a huge risk for your family. My father did the exact same thing.

But just as my parents provided a very comfortable life for me through THEIR hard work, your children likely have a lot of advantages that others don't through yours. Their lives will almost certainly be very comfortable as a result, irrespective of whether or not they matriculate to TJ or an Ivy League school or whatever. If I'm evaluating applications, I'm looking at context; what did this child do in the context of their circumstances? And while I think FCPS still has work to do in this area to identify the top students at each middle school (reinstituting teacher recs, conducting interviews, liaising with students services folks, etc), their attempt in this area is admirable.

Your kid is not being punished for your success - they're simply no longer being rewarded for it. And I can understand how that feels like a jab at you, given how many parents in that community seem to view TJ and college admissions acceptances as an accomplishment for the family (read: the parents) rather than for the student - but it's not. Schools aren't admitting parents; they're admitting kids.

You make a good argument and I agree with some of your points but what's missing is any acknowledgment that there always has been and continues to be a lot of discrimination against Asians in the United States. Not a day goes by when my child is not being made fun of or stereotyped for how they look. My child's good friend is Hispanic but white Hispanic with blond hair and when they talk about discrimination the friend shrugs and says they have not experienced any of it because of how they look. Why is my child's experience devalued?

It isn't... it just has nothing to do with getting into an elite school. The ugly historic discrimination that has been suffered by Asian-Americans in this country is something that we should all be ashamed of - but "my kid gets made fun of because of how they look" doesn't equate to "we have no money because my parents can't get a high paying job because people think Black folks are inherently dumber".

You really don’t get it do you? Asians also lose out on jobs too because people stereotype them as lower class, stupid because of accents, or other horrible ideas about race. Do you a white person actually have any idea what it is like? It goes far beyond being teased or bullied but the fact that you brush that off as not a big deal shows your ignorance. How dare you.

…what year do you think it is?

When corrected for education, Asians are the race least likely to be promoted to management or be elected to office.

Well that's because they do the real work that requires brains behind the scenes, management and politicians are mostly filled with dumba$$es. Many Asians could do those jobs easily, but they would not find their lives fulfilled by practicing deception on a daily basis or spouting off random feel good BS. The world advances on the backs of scientists, researchers, engineers and not very many folks here in the US are cut out to do those jobs. Politicians and managers? They're a dime a dozen.

The test was used as a means to eliminate many from consideration without even looking at achievements. Unfortunately only the wealthy could afford to buy advanced access to the test questions. The process was broken.

Fake news. The only thing they bought was lots of prep offered by various cram schools. And why shouldn't they, when in this area schools do a terrible job of teaching anything resembling math? You can see that by driving around and seeing how many different math prep companies exist (not just prep for TJ). There are too many to name and that speaks to how horrible the education in schools really is. If schools did an adequate job, math prep wouldn't be a huge business.

These math prep places exist to feed off the insecurities of recent immigrants. They aren't necessary or frankly wanted here. Acceleration by focusing on math for an extra 1-2 hours plus a day doesn't mean you are smart. I would wager at least the top 1/3 of students would be as least as "Advanced" if they were spending additional time on math.

Obviously they are wanted here. They just aren't wanted by you. There are some good reasons for recent immigrants or people on work visas to want their children to remain on track with what they would be doing in their home country. If for whatever reason they return to their home country in a few years, they don't want their kids far behind.

I agree that kids who are doing a lot of extra math may be advanced but not particularly smart. The problem is that the kids in FCPS taking Algebra I in 8th grade are neither smart nor advanced. FCPS makes it pathetically easy for any kid with even a modicum of math talent to take Algebra in 7th. I'll take an advanced kid who may not be smart over a kid who is clearly not advanced and also not smart any day of the week.

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Anonymous wrote:Look it's very easy. This all started with the NAACP. Some/Most Democrats bend over backward for this organization, frankly because they are deathly afraid to be called racist.

You might not like Asra's approach but it's what needs to be done. Democrats need to be afraid that they will be called racist if they ever go against asians

That's all the democratic party is a bunch of spineless politicians afraid of special interest groups and kowtowing to increasingly extreme and radical demands to appear woke.

To be fair many republicans do the same thing with the insane MAGA crowd.

It's why unaffiliated is dramatically increasing. Both parties suck.

The problem is that Asra looks like a clown show because she's advocating on behalf of a people who are relatively VERY well off in the Northern Virginia area from her estate in Great Falls. Her message resonates with other rich folks but when she tries to compare their struggle to that of African-Americans in this country, she comes off as incredibly tone deaf to everyone who is NOT in her affinity group.

If you need evidence of how out of touch she is, look at the videos that she posts where she's shrieking like a lunatic. Any normal person would want to distance themselves from that sort of self-incriminating footage as much as possible, but she uses it as leverage to gain the sympathy of other folks who, like her, believe that Black people are inferior and undeserving.

If anything is out of touch, it's the TJ Alumni Action Group types pretending that admitting a few more Black kids to TJ is going to meaningfully address the "struggle of African Americans in this county."

FCPS just released Class of 2022 SAT scores. It's not pretty. Black kids continue to have the lowest scores of any group in the county. The average at Mount Vernon, of the schools with the largest percentage of Black kids, was only 988.

But, sure, keep pretending your efforts to replace merit at TJ with tokenism are going to move the needle in any meaningful way. It makes you feel good and as a bonus you get to toss grenades at the highest performing group, Asian students, whose parents often came this country with nothing.

1) A few more spots at TJ isn't going to address the struggle of African-Americans in this country. You're conflating arguments. My point was that Asra is a clown for comparing her struggles to theirs. That's not a controversial statement.

2) No one is tossing grenades at Asian students who has any decision-making power. Some idiots on here are, to be sure, but no one cares about them. What is happening is simply a long-term, still-in-progress adjustment to a process that demonstrably FAVORED Asian students through an over-emphasis on an outdated mode of evaluation that was compromised by a nine-figure prep complex that created huge advantages for families with disposable time, income, and the willingness to invest their resources to create imbalances in the process.

3) There are a staggering amount of Asian parents on this board who seem to want their children to get bonus points for the fact that they came to America with nothing. You are to be commended for the fact that you came to America and built a life for yourself through what undoubtedly was a huge struggle for you and a huge risk for your family. My father did the exact same thing.

But just as my parents provided a very comfortable life for me through THEIR hard work, your children likely have a lot of advantages that others don't through yours. Their lives will almost certainly be very comfortable as a result, irrespective of whether or not they matriculate to TJ or an Ivy League school or whatever. If I'm evaluating applications, I'm looking at context; what did this child do in the context of their circumstances? And while I think FCPS still has work to do in this area to identify the top students at each middle school (reinstituting teacher recs, conducting interviews, liaising with students services folks, etc), their attempt in this area is admirable.

Your kid is not being punished for your success - they're simply no longer being rewarded for it. And I can understand how that feels like a jab at you, given how many parents in that community seem to view TJ and college admissions acceptances as an accomplishment for the family (read: the parents) rather than for the student - but it's not. Schools aren't admitting parents; they're admitting kids.

You make a good argument and I agree with some of your points but what's missing is any acknowledgment that there always has been and continues to be a lot of discrimination against Asians in the United States. Not a day goes by when my child is not being made fun of or stereotyped for how they look. My child's good friend is Hispanic but white Hispanic with blond hair and when they talk about discrimination the friend shrugs and says they have not experienced any of it because of how they look. Why is my child's experience devalued?

It isn't... it just has nothing to do with getting into an elite school. The ugly historic discrimination that has been suffered by Asian-Americans in this country is something that we should all be ashamed of - but "my kid gets made fun of because of how they look" doesn't equate to "we have no money because my parents can't get a high paying job because people think Black folks are inherently dumber".

You really don’t get it do you? Asians also lose out on jobs too because people stereotype them as lower class, stupid because of accents, or other horrible ideas about race. Do you a white person actually have any idea what it is like? It goes far beyond being teased or bullied but the fact that you brush that off as not a big deal shows your ignorance. How dare you.

…what year do you think it is?

When corrected for education, Asians are the race least likely to be promoted to management or be elected to office.

Well that's because they do the real work that requires brains behind the scenes, management and politicians are mostly filled with dumba$$es. Many Asians could do those jobs easily, but they would not find their lives fulfilled by practicing deception on a daily basis or spouting off random feel good BS. The world advances on the backs of scientists, researchers, engineers and not very many folks here in the US are cut out to do those jobs. Politicians and managers? They're a dime a dozen.

The test was used as a means to eliminate many from consideration without even looking at achievements. Unfortunately only the wealthy could afford to buy advanced access to the test questions. The process was broken.

Exactly, things had gotten so out of hand that non-prepped kids couldn't even get past that hurdle to get fair consideration.

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Anonymous wrote:Look it's very easy. This all started with the NAACP. Some/Most Democrats bend over backward for this organization, frankly because they are deathly afraid to be called racist.

You might not like Asra's approach but it's what needs to be done. Democrats need to be afraid that they will be called racist if they ever go against asians

That's all the democratic party is a bunch of spineless politicians afraid of special interest groups and kowtowing to increasingly extreme and radical demands to appear woke.

To be fair many republicans do the same thing with the insane MAGA crowd.

It's why unaffiliated is dramatically increasing. Both parties suck.

The problem is that Asra looks like a clown show because she's advocating on behalf of a people who are relatively VERY well off in the Northern Virginia area from her estate in Great Falls. Her message resonates with other rich folks but when she tries to compare their struggle to that of African-Americans in this country, she comes off as incredibly tone deaf to everyone who is NOT in her affinity group.

If you need evidence of how out of touch she is, look at the videos that she posts where she's shrieking like a lunatic. Any normal person would want to distance themselves from that sort of self-incriminating footage as much as possible, but she uses it as leverage to gain the sympathy of other folks who, like her, believe that Black people are inferior and undeserving.

If anything is out of touch, it's the TJ Alumni Action Group types pretending that admitting a few more Black kids to TJ is going to meaningfully address the "struggle of African Americans in this county."

FCPS just released Class of 2022 SAT scores. It's not pretty. Black kids continue to have the lowest scores of any group in the county. The average at Mount Vernon, of the schools with the largest percentage of Black kids, was only 988.

But, sure, keep pretending your efforts to replace merit at TJ with tokenism are going to move the needle in any meaningful way. It makes you feel good and as a bonus you get to toss grenades at the highest performing group, Asian students, whose parents often came this country with nothing.

1) A few more spots at TJ isn't going to address the struggle of African-Americans in this country. You're conflating arguments. My point was that Asra is a clown for comparing her struggles to theirs. That's not a controversial statement.

2) No one is tossing grenades at Asian students who has any decision-making power. Some idiots on here are, to be sure, but no one cares about them. What is happening is simply a long-term, still-in-progress adjustment to a process that demonstrably FAVORED Asian students through an over-emphasis on an outdated mode of evaluation that was compromised by a nine-figure prep complex that created huge advantages for families with disposable time, income, and the willingness to invest their resources to create imbalances in the process.

3) There are a staggering amount of Asian parents on this board who seem to want their children to get bonus points for the fact that they came to America with nothing. You are to be commended for the fact that you came to America and built a life for yourself through what undoubtedly was a huge struggle for you and a huge risk for your family. My father did the exact same thing.

But just as my parents provided a very comfortable life for me through THEIR hard work, your children likely have a lot of advantages that others don't through yours. Their lives will almost certainly be very comfortable as a result, irrespective of whether or not they matriculate to TJ or an Ivy League school or whatever. If I'm evaluating applications, I'm looking at context; what did this child do in the context of their circumstances? And while I think FCPS still has work to do in this area to identify the top students at each middle school (reinstituting teacher recs, conducting interviews, liaising with students services folks, etc), their attempt in this area is admirable.

Your kid is not being punished for your success - they're simply no longer being rewarded for it. And I can understand how that feels like a jab at you, given how many parents in that community seem to view TJ and college admissions acceptances as an accomplishment for the family (read: the parents) rather than for the student - but it's not. Schools aren't admitting parents; they're admitting kids.

You make a good argument and I agree with some of your points but what's missing is any acknowledgment that there always has been and continues to be a lot of discrimination against Asians in the United States. Not a day goes by when my child is not being made fun of or stereotyped for how they look. My child's good friend is Hispanic but white Hispanic with blond hair and when they talk about discrimination the friend shrugs and says they have not experienced any of it because of how they look. Why is my child's experience devalued?

It isn't... it just has nothing to do with getting into an elite school. The ugly historic discrimination that has been suffered by Asian-Americans in this country is something that we should all be ashamed of - but "my kid gets made fun of because of how they look" doesn't equate to "we have no money because my parents can't get a high paying job because people think Black folks are inherently dumber".

You really don’t get it do you? Asians also lose out on jobs too because people stereotype them as lower class, stupid because of accents, or other horrible ideas about race. Do you a white person actually have any idea what it is like? It goes far beyond being teased or bullied but the fact that you brush that off as not a big deal shows your ignorance. How dare you.

…what year do you think it is?

When corrected for education, Asians are the race least likely to be promoted to management or be elected to office.

Well that's because they do the real work that requires brains behind the scenes, management and politicians are mostly filled with dumba$$es. Many Asians could do those jobs easily, but they would not find their lives fulfilled by practicing deception on a daily basis or spouting off random feel good BS. The world advances on the backs of scientists, researchers, engineers and not very many folks here in the US are cut out to do those jobs. Politicians and managers? They're a dime a dozen.

The test was used as a means to eliminate many from consideration without even looking at achievements. Unfortunately only the wealthy could afford to buy advanced access to the test questions. The process was broken.

Fake news. The only thing they bought was lots of prep offered by various cram schools. And why shouldn't they, when in this area schools do a terrible job of teaching anything resembling math? You can see that by driving around and seeing how many different math prep companies exist (not just prep for TJ). There are too many to name and that speaks to how horrible the education in schools really is. If schools did an adequate job, math prep wouldn't be a huge business.

These math prep places exist to feed off the insecurities of recent immigrants. They aren't necessary or frankly wanted here. Acceleration by focusing on math for an extra 1-2 hours plus a day doesn't mean you are smart. I would wager at least the top 1/3 of students would be as least as "Advanced" if they were spending additional time on math.

Obviously they are wanted here. They just aren't wanted by you. There are some good reasons for recent immigrants or people on work visas to want their children to remain on track with what they would be doing in their home country. If for whatever reason they return to their home country in a few years, they don't want their kids far behind.

I agree that kids who are doing a lot of extra math may be advanced but not particularly smart. The problem is that the kids in FCPS taking Algebra I in 8th grade are neither smart nor advanced. FCPS makes it pathetically easy for any kid with even a modicum of math talent to take Algebra in 7th. I'll take an advanced kid who may not be smart over a kid who is clearly not advanced and also not smart any day of the week.

I'm all for the recent changes to selection but would also be for imposing requirements on math. There are plenty of kids taking honors geometry in 8th at every MS. This shouldn't be an issue.

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Anonymous wrote:Look it's very easy. This all started with the NAACP. Some/Most Democrats bend over backward for this organization, frankly because they are deathly afraid to be called racist.

You might not like Asra's approach but it's what needs to be done. Democrats need to be afraid that they will be called racist if they ever go against asians

That's all the democratic party is a bunch of spineless politicians afraid of special interest groups and kowtowing to increasingly extreme and radical demands to appear woke.

To be fair many republicans do the same thing with the insane MAGA crowd.

It's why unaffiliated is dramatically increasing. Both parties suck.

The problem is that Asra looks like a clown show because she's advocating on behalf of a people who are relatively VERY well off in the Northern Virginia area from her estate in Great Falls. Her message resonates with other rich folks but when she tries to compare their struggle to that of African-Americans in this country, she comes off as incredibly tone deaf to everyone who is NOT in her affinity group.

If you need evidence of how out of touch she is, look at the videos that she posts where she's shrieking like a lunatic. Any normal person would want to distance themselves from that sort of self-incriminating footage as much as possible, but she uses it as leverage to gain the sympathy of other folks who, like her, believe that Black people are inferior and undeserving.

If anything is out of touch, it's the TJ Alumni Action Group types pretending that admitting a few more Black kids to TJ is going to meaningfully address the "struggle of African Americans in this county."

FCPS just released Class of 2022 SAT scores. It's not pretty. Black kids continue to have the lowest scores of any group in the county. The average at Mount Vernon, of the schools with the largest percentage of Black kids, was only 988.

But, sure, keep pretending your efforts to replace merit at TJ with tokenism are going to move the needle in any meaningful way. It makes you feel good and as a bonus you get to toss grenades at the highest performing group, Asian students, whose parents often came this country with nothing.

1) A few more spots at TJ isn't going to address the struggle of African-Americans in this country. You're conflating arguments. My point was that Asra is a clown for comparing her struggles to theirs. That's not a controversial statement.

2) No one is tossing grenades at Asian students who has any decision-making power. Some idiots on here are, to be sure, but no one cares about them. What is happening is simply a long-term, still-in-progress adjustment to a process that demonstrably FAVORED Asian students through an over-emphasis on an outdated mode of evaluation that was compromised by a nine-figure prep complex that created huge advantages for families with disposable time, income, and the willingness to invest their resources to create imbalances in the process.

3) There are a staggering amount of Asian parents on this board who seem to want their children to get bonus points for the fact that they came to America with nothing. You are to be commended for the fact that you came to America and built a life for yourself through what undoubtedly was a huge struggle for you and a huge risk for your family. My father did the exact same thing.

But just as my parents provided a very comfortable life for me through THEIR hard work, your children likely have a lot of advantages that others don't through yours. Their lives will almost certainly be very comfortable as a result, irrespective of whether or not they matriculate to TJ or an Ivy League school or whatever. If I'm evaluating applications, I'm looking at context; what did this child do in the context of their circumstances? And while I think FCPS still has work to do in this area to identify the top students at each middle school (reinstituting teacher recs, conducting interviews, liaising with students services folks, etc), their attempt in this area is admirable.

Your kid is not being punished for your success - they're simply no longer being rewarded for it. And I can understand how that feels like a jab at you, given how many parents in that community seem to view TJ and college admissions acceptances as an accomplishment for the family (read: the parents) rather than for the student - but it's not. Schools aren't admitting parents; they're admitting kids.

You make a good argument and I agree with some of your points but what's missing is any acknowledgment that there always has been and continues to be a lot of discrimination against Asians in the United States. Not a day goes by when my child is not being made fun of or stereotyped for how they look. My child's good friend is Hispanic but white Hispanic with blond hair and when they talk about discrimination the friend shrugs and says they have not experienced any of it because of how they look. Why is my child's experience devalued?

It isn't... it just has nothing to do with getting into an elite school. The ugly historic discrimination that has been suffered by Asian-Americans in this country is something that we should all be ashamed of - but "my kid gets made fun of because of how they look" doesn't equate to "we have no money because my parents can't get a high paying job because people think Black folks are inherently dumber".

You really don’t get it do you? Asians also lose out on jobs too because people stereotype them as lower class, stupid because of accents, or other horrible ideas about race. Do you a white person actually have any idea what it is like? It goes far beyond being teased or bullied but the fact that you brush that off as not a big deal shows your ignorance. How dare you.

…what year do you think it is?

When corrected for education, Asians are the race least likely to be promoted to management or be elected to office.

Well that's because they do the real work that requires brains behind the scenes, management and politicians are mostly filled with dumba$$es. Many Asians could do those jobs easily, but they would not find their lives fulfilled by practicing deception on a daily basis or spouting off random feel good BS. The world advances on the backs of scientists, researchers, engineers and not very many folks here in the US are cut out to do those jobs. Politicians and managers? They're a dime a dozen.

The test was used as a means to eliminate many from consideration without even looking at achievements. Unfortunately only the wealthy could afford to buy advanced access to the test questions. The process was broken.

Exactly, things had gotten so out of hand that non-prepped kids couldn't even get past that hurdle to get fair consideration.

Yes, we need to make sure the dumber lower achievers have a fighting chance.

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Anonymous wrote:Look it's very easy. This all started with the NAACP. Some/Most Democrats bend over backward for this organization, frankly because they are deathly afraid to be called racist.

You might not like Asra's approach but it's what needs to be done. Democrats need to be afraid that they will be called racist if they ever go against asians

That's all the democratic party is a bunch of spineless politicians afraid of special interest groups and kowtowing to increasingly extreme and radical demands to appear woke.

To be fair many republicans do the same thing with the insane MAGA crowd.

It's why unaffiliated is dramatically increasing. Both parties suck.

The problem is that Asra looks like a clown show because she's advocating on behalf of a people who are relatively VERY well off in the Northern Virginia area from her estate in Great Falls. Her message resonates with other rich folks but when she tries to compare their struggle to that of African-Americans in this country, she comes off as incredibly tone deaf to everyone who is NOT in her affinity group.

If you need evidence of how out of touch she is, look at the videos that she posts where she's shrieking like a lunatic. Any normal person would want to distance themselves from that sort of self-incriminating footage as much as possible, but she uses it as leverage to gain the sympathy of other folks who, like her, believe that Black people are inferior and undeserving.

If anything is out of touch, it's the TJ Alumni Action Group types pretending that admitting a few more Black kids to TJ is going to meaningfully address the "struggle of African Americans in this county."

FCPS just released Class of 2022 SAT scores. It's not pretty. Black kids continue to have the lowest scores of any group in the county. The average at Mount Vernon, of the schools with the largest percentage of Black kids, was only 988.

But, sure, keep pretending your efforts to replace merit at TJ with tokenism are going to move the needle in any meaningful way. It makes you feel good and as a bonus you get to toss grenades at the highest performing group, Asian students, whose parents often came this country with nothing.

1) A few more spots at TJ isn't going to address the struggle of African-Americans in this country. You're conflating arguments. My point was that Asra is a clown for comparing her struggles to theirs. That's not a controversial statement.

2) No one is tossing grenades at Asian students who has any decision-making power. Some idiots on here are, to be sure, but no one cares about them. What is happening is simply a long-term, still-in-progress adjustment to a process that demonstrably FAVORED Asian students through an over-emphasis on an outdated mode of evaluation that was compromised by a nine-figure prep complex that created huge advantages for families with disposable time, income, and the willingness to invest their resources to create imbalances in the process.

3) There are a staggering amount of Asian parents on this board who seem to want their children to get bonus points for the fact that they came to America with nothing. You are to be commended for the fact that you came to America and built a life for yourself through what undoubtedly was a huge struggle for you and a huge risk for your family. My father did the exact same thing.

But just as my parents provided a very comfortable life for me through THEIR hard work, your children likely have a lot of advantages that others don't through yours. Their lives will almost certainly be very comfortable as a result, irrespective of whether or not they matriculate to TJ or an Ivy League school or whatever. If I'm evaluating applications, I'm looking at context; what did this child do in the context of their circumstances? And while I think FCPS still has work to do in this area to identify the top students at each middle school (reinstituting teacher recs, conducting interviews, liaising with students services folks, etc), their attempt in this area is admirable.

Your kid is not being punished for your success - they're simply no longer being rewarded for it. And I can understand how that feels like a jab at you, given how many parents in that community seem to view TJ and college admissions acceptances as an accomplishment for the family (read: the parents) rather than for the student - but it's not. Schools aren't admitting parents; they're admitting kids.

You make a good argument and I agree with some of your points but what's missing is any acknowledgment that there always has been and continues to be a lot of discrimination against Asians in the United States. Not a day goes by when my child is not being made fun of or stereotyped for how they look. My child's good friend is Hispanic but white Hispanic with blond hair and when they talk about discrimination the friend shrugs and says they have not experienced any of it because of how they look. Why is my child's experience devalued?

It isn't... it just has nothing to do with getting into an elite school. The ugly historic discrimination that has been suffered by Asian-Americans in this country is something that we should all be ashamed of - but "my kid gets made fun of because of how they look" doesn't equate to "we have no money because my parents can't get a high paying job because people think Black folks are inherently dumber".

You really don’t get it do you? Asians also lose out on jobs too because people stereotype them as lower class, stupid because of accents, or other horrible ideas about race. Do you a white person actually have any idea what it is like? It goes far beyond being teased or bullied but the fact that you brush that off as not a big deal shows your ignorance. How dare you.

…what year do you think it is?

When corrected for education, Asians are the race least likely to be promoted to management or be elected to office.

Well that's because they do the real work that requires brains behind the scenes, management and politicians are mostly filled with dumba$$es. Many Asians could do those jobs easily, but they would not find their lives fulfilled by practicing deception on a daily basis or spouting off random feel good BS. The world advances on the backs of scientists, researchers, engineers and not very many folks here in the US are cut out to do those jobs. Politicians and managers? They're a dime a dozen.

The test was used as a means to eliminate many from consideration without even looking at achievements. Unfortunately only the wealthy could afford to buy advanced access to the test questions. The process was broken.

Fake news. The only thing they bought was lots of prep offered by various cram schools. And why shouldn't they, when in this area schools do a terrible job of teaching anything resembling math? You can see that by driving around and seeing how many different math prep companies exist (not just prep for TJ). There are too many to name and that speaks to how horrible the education in schools really is. If schools did an adequate job, math prep wouldn't be a huge business.

These math prep places exist to feed off the insecurities of recent immigrants. They aren't necessary or frankly wanted here. Acceleration by focusing on math for an extra 1-2 hours plus a day doesn't mean you are smart. I would wager at least the top 1/3 of students would be as least as "Advanced" if they were spending additional time on math.

Untrue, recent immigrants is a very small portion. One can see droves of UMC folks from the area (drive by McLean and Vienna and check out the crowds dropping kids off afterschool, and not all of them are there to get ahead, many are getting instruction to stay on level in school). At this point, it's well understood by many folks that something is wrong with how math is taught in schools in this area and it's not working for many kids... as a result these places are booming. Supply and demand.

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Anonymous wrote:Look it's very easy. This all started with the NAACP. Some/Most Democrats bend over backward for this organization, frankly because they are deathly afraid to be called racist.

You might not like Asra's approach but it's what needs to be done. Democrats need to be afraid that they will be called racist if they ever go against asians

That's all the democratic party is a bunch of spineless politicians afraid of special interest groups and kowtowing to increasingly extreme and radical demands to appear woke.

To be fair many republicans do the same thing with the insane MAGA crowd.

It's why unaffiliated is dramatically increasing. Both parties suck.

The problem is that Asra looks like a clown show because she's advocating on behalf of a people who are relatively VERY well off in the Northern Virginia area from her estate in Great Falls. Her message resonates with other rich folks but when she tries to compare their struggle to that of African-Americans in this country, she comes off as incredibly tone deaf to everyone who is NOT in her affinity group.

If you need evidence of how out of touch she is, look at the videos that she posts where she's shrieking like a lunatic. Any normal person would want to distance themselves from that sort of self-incriminating footage as much as possible, but she uses it as leverage to gain the sympathy of other folks who, like her, believe that Black people are inferior and undeserving.

If anything is out of touch, it's the TJ Alumni Action Group types pretending that admitting a few more Black kids to TJ is going to meaningfully address the "struggle of African Americans in this county."

FCPS just released Class of 2022 SAT scores. It's not pretty. Black kids continue to have the lowest scores of any group in the county. The average at Mount Vernon, of the schools with the largest percentage of Black kids, was only 988.

But, sure, keep pretending your efforts to replace merit at TJ with tokenism are going to move the needle in any meaningful way. It makes you feel good and as a bonus you get to toss grenades at the highest performing group, Asian students, whose parents often came this country with nothing.

1) A few more spots at TJ isn't going to address the struggle of African-Americans in this country. You're conflating arguments. My point was that Asra is a clown for comparing her struggles to theirs. That's not a controversial statement.

2) No one is tossing grenades at Asian students who has any decision-making power. Some idiots on here are, to be sure, but no one cares about them. What is happening is simply a long-term, still-in-progress adjustment to a process that demonstrably FAVORED Asian students through an over-emphasis on an outdated mode of evaluation that was compromised by a nine-figure prep complex that created huge advantages for families with disposable time, income, and the willingness to invest their resources to create imbalances in the process.

3) There are a staggering amount of Asian parents on this board who seem to want their children to get bonus points for the fact that they came to America with nothing. You are to be commended for the fact that you came to America and built a life for yourself through what undoubtedly was a huge struggle for you and a huge risk for your family. My father did the exact same thing.

But just as my parents provided a very comfortable life for me through THEIR hard work, your children likely have a lot of advantages that others don't through yours. Their lives will almost certainly be very comfortable as a result, irrespective of whether or not they matriculate to TJ or an Ivy League school or whatever. If I'm evaluating applications, I'm looking at context; what did this child do in the context of their circumstances? And while I think FCPS still has work to do in this area to identify the top students at each middle school (reinstituting teacher recs, conducting interviews, liaising with students services folks, etc), their attempt in this area is admirable.

Your kid is not being punished for your success - they're simply no longer being rewarded for it. And I can understand how that feels like a jab at you, given how many parents in that community seem to view TJ and college admissions acceptances as an accomplishment for the family (read: the parents) rather than for the student - but it's not. Schools aren't admitting parents; they're admitting kids.

You make a good argument and I agree with some of your points but what's missing is any acknowledgment that there always has been and continues to be a lot of discrimination against Asians in the United States. Not a day goes by when my child is not being made fun of or stereotyped for how they look. My child's good friend is Hispanic but white Hispanic with blond hair and when they talk about discrimination the friend shrugs and says they have not experienced any of it because of how they look. Why is my child's experience devalued?

It isn't... it just has nothing to do with getting into an elite school. The ugly historic discrimination that has been suffered by Asian-Americans in this country is something that we should all be ashamed of - but "my kid gets made fun of because of how they look" doesn't equate to "we have no money because my parents can't get a high paying job because people think Black folks are inherently dumber".

You really don’t get it do you? Asians also lose out on jobs too because people stereotype them as lower class, stupid because of accents, or other horrible ideas about race. Do you a white person actually have any idea what it is like? It goes far beyond being teased or bullied but the fact that you brush that off as not a big deal shows your ignorance. How dare you.

…what year do you think it is?

When corrected for education, Asians are the race least likely to be promoted to management or be elected to office.

Well that's because they do the real work that requires brains behind the scenes, management and politicians are mostly filled with dumba$$es. Many Asians could do those jobs easily, but they would not find their lives fulfilled by practicing deception on a daily basis or spouting off random feel good BS. The world advances on the backs of scientists, researchers, engineers and not very many folks here in the US are cut out to do those jobs. Politicians and managers? They're a dime a dozen.

The test was used as a means to eliminate many from consideration without even looking at achievements. Unfortunately only the wealthy could afford to buy advanced access to the test questions. The process was broken.

Fake news. The only thing they bought was lots of prep offered by various cram schools. And why shouldn't they, when in this area schools do a terrible job of teaching anything resembling math? You can see that by driving around and seeing how many different math prep companies exist (not just prep for TJ). There are too many to name and that speaks to how horrible the education in schools really is. If schools did an adequate job, math prep wouldn't be a huge business.

These math prep places exist to feed off the insecurities of recent immigrants. They aren't necessary or frankly wanted here. Acceleration by focusing on math for an extra 1-2 hours plus a day doesn't mean you are smart. I would wager at least the top 1/3 of students would be as least as "Advanced" if they were spending additional time on math.

Untrue, recent immigrants is a very small portion. One can see droves of UMC folks from the area (drive by McLean and Vienna and check out the crowds dropping kids off afterschool, and not all of them are there to get ahead, many are getting instruction to stay on level in school). At this point, it's well understood by many folks that something is wrong with how math is taught in schools in this area and it's not working for many kids... as a result these places are booming. Supply and demand.

I don't know, on the one hand a draft of California's Math Framework suggests that Algebra I should be delayed until 9th grade for all students, whereas here we've got folks upset their snowflake wasn't allowed to start Algebra in 6th. I get things could always be "better" in some way, but I think we often lose sight that the reality is that we still have things pretty damn good in this area.

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Anonymous wrote:Look it's very easy. This all started with the NAACP. Some/Most Democrats bend over backward for this organization, frankly because they are deathly afraid to be called racist.

You might not like Asra's approach but it's what needs to be done. Democrats need to be afraid that they will be called racist if they ever go against asians

That's all the democratic party is a bunch of spineless politicians afraid of special interest groups and kowtowing to increasingly extreme and radical demands to appear woke.

To be fair many republicans do the same thing with the insane MAGA crowd.

It's why unaffiliated is dramatically increasing. Both parties suck.

The problem is that Asra looks like a clown show because she's advocating on behalf of a people who are relatively VERY well off in the Northern Virginia area from her estate in Great Falls. Her message resonates with other rich folks but when she tries to compare their struggle to that of African-Americans in this country, she comes off as incredibly tone deaf to everyone who is NOT in her affinity group.

If you need evidence of how out of touch she is, look at the videos that she posts where she's shrieking like a lunatic. Any normal person would want to distance themselves from that sort of self-incriminating footage as much as possible, but she uses it as leverage to gain the sympathy of other folks who, like her, believe that Black people are inferior and undeserving.

If anything is out of touch, it's the TJ Alumni Action Group types pretending that admitting a few more Black kids to TJ is going to meaningfully address the "struggle of African Americans in this county."

FCPS just released Class of 2022 SAT scores. It's not pretty. Black kids continue to have the lowest scores of any group in the county. The average at Mount Vernon, of the schools with the largest percentage of Black kids, was only 988.

But, sure, keep pretending your efforts to replace merit at TJ with tokenism are going to move the needle in any meaningful way. It makes you feel good and as a bonus you get to toss grenades at the highest performing group, Asian students, whose parents often came this country with nothing.

1) A few more spots at TJ isn't going to address the struggle of African-Americans in this country. You're conflating arguments. My point was that Asra is a clown for comparing her struggles to theirs. That's not a controversial statement.

2) No one is tossing grenades at Asian students who has any decision-making power. Some idiots on here are, to be sure, but no one cares about them. What is happening is simply a long-term, still-in-progress adjustment to a process that demonstrably FAVORED Asian students through an over-emphasis on an outdated mode of evaluation that was compromised by a nine-figure prep complex that created huge advantages for families with disposable time, income, and the willingness to invest their resources to create imbalances in the process.

3) There are a staggering amount of Asian parents on this board who seem to want their children to get bonus points for the fact that they came to America with nothing. You are to be commended for the fact that you came to America and built a life for yourself through what undoubtedly was a huge struggle for you and a huge risk for your family. My father did the exact same thing.

But just as my parents provided a very comfortable life for me through THEIR hard work, your children likely have a lot of advantages that others don't through yours. Their lives will almost certainly be very comfortable as a result, irrespective of whether or not they matriculate to TJ or an Ivy League school or whatever. If I'm evaluating applications, I'm looking at context; what did this child do in the context of their circumstances? And while I think FCPS still has work to do in this area to identify the top students at each middle school (reinstituting teacher recs, conducting interviews, liaising with students services folks, etc), their attempt in this area is admirable.

Your kid is not being punished for your success - they're simply no longer being rewarded for it. And I can understand how that feels like a jab at you, given how many parents in that community seem to view TJ and college admissions acceptances as an accomplishment for the family (read: the parents) rather than for the student - but it's not. Schools aren't admitting parents; they're admitting kids.

You make a good argument and I agree with some of your points but what's missing is any acknowledgment that there always has been and continues to be a lot of discrimination against Asians in the United States. Not a day goes by when my child is not being made fun of or stereotyped for how they look. My child's good friend is Hispanic but white Hispanic with blond hair and when they talk about discrimination the friend shrugs and says they have not experienced any of it because of how they look. Why is my child's experience devalued?

It isn't... it just has nothing to do with getting into an elite school. The ugly historic discrimination that has been suffered by Asian-Americans in this country is something that we should all be ashamed of - but "my kid gets made fun of because of how they look" doesn't equate to "we have no money because my parents can't get a high paying job because people think Black folks are inherently dumber".

Do you actually believe that BS

Corporations and colleges are bending over backwards to hire black folks with any kind of talent. Meanwhile Asians need to punch multiple times above the average to have a shot.

This isn't because of some inherent bias against Asians. It's because of two reasons:

1) Bringing in folks of all backgrounds and experiences makes your product more attractive to people from all backgrounds and experiences, meaning a stronger applicant pool and thus a stronger group eventually selected

2) Bringing in folks of all backgrounds and experiences makes your product more responsive to people from all backgrounds and experiences, meaning a better overall product.

If it were bad for businesses or colleges (which are essentially businesses) to bring in diverse populations, they'd stop doing it in a heartbeat. You're just pissed because it's in their best interests and that means that the supply of exceptional Asian applicants exceeds the demand for them.

Point 1 is complete BS its a weaker applicant pool because the overall talent is diluted because skin color matters more

Point 2 is correct yes businesses are snapping up URM to appeal to all aspects of consumer bases to make more money plain and simpley

And yes colleges recognize this so there is an arms race for URM with any kind of talent because yes college is a business to try and increase endowments.

The orginial point was somehow blacks are at a disadvantage which is complete bs. Asians are. The talent level for URM is several standard deviations below the talent level for asians

Nice try. You’re displaying literally zero awareness of the world beyond your front door. Which is fine - just own up to your ignorance.

Not sure what they're gassing on about anyway. Someone needs to tell them that TJ admissions are race blind because none of that matters.

TJ's admissions were race blind under the old process too.

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Only because Youngkin won. VMPI would have put algebra in 9th grade here too. They claimed 8th in the slides, then admitted it was prealgebra in one of the videos.