TJ Discrimination Case

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Anonymous wrote:Look it's very easy. This all started with the NAACP. Some/Most Democrats bend over backward for this organization, frankly because they are deathly afraid to be called racist.

You might not like Asra's approach but it's what needs to be done. Democrats need to be afraid that they will be called racist if they ever go against asians

That's all the democratic party is a bunch of spineless politicians afraid of special interest groups and kowtowing to increasingly extreme and radical demands to appear woke.

To be fair many republicans do the same thing with the insane MAGA crowd.

It's why unaffiliated is dramatically increasing. Both parties suck.

The problem is that Asra looks like a clown show because she's advocating on behalf of a people who are relatively VERY well off in the Northern Virginia area from her estate in Great Falls. Her message resonates with other rich folks but when she tries to compare their struggle to that of African-Americans in this country, she comes off as incredibly tone deaf to everyone who is NOT in her affinity group.

If you need evidence of how out of touch she is, look at the videos that she posts where she's shrieking like a lunatic. Any normal person would want to distance themselves from that sort of self-incriminating footage as much as possible, but she uses it as leverage to gain the sympathy of other folks who, like her, believe that Black people are inferior and undeserving.

If anything is out of touch, it's the TJ Alumni Action Group types pretending that admitting a few more Black kids to TJ is going to meaningfully address the "struggle of African Americans in this county."

FCPS just released Class of 2022 SAT scores. It's not pretty. Black kids continue to have the lowest scores of any group in the county. The average at Mount Vernon, of the schools with the largest percentage of Black kids, was only 988.

But, sure, keep pretending your efforts to replace merit at TJ with tokenism are going to move the needle in any meaningful way. It makes you feel good and as a bonus you get to toss grenades at the highest performing group, Asian students, whose parents often came this country with nothing.

1) A few more spots at TJ isn't going to address the struggle of African-Americans in this country. You're conflating arguments. My point was that Asra is a clown for comparing her struggles to theirs. That's not a controversial statement.

2) No one is tossing grenades at Asian students who has any decision-making power. Some idiots on here are, to be sure, but no one cares about them. What is happening is simply a long-term, still-in-progress adjustment to a process that demonstrably FAVORED Asian students through an over-emphasis on an outdated mode of evaluation that was compromised by a nine-figure prep complex that created huge advantages for families with disposable time, income, and the willingness to invest their resources to create imbalances in the process.

3) There are a staggering amount of Asian parents on this board who seem to want their children to get bonus points for the fact that they came to America with nothing. You are to be commended for the fact that you came to America and built a life for yourself through what undoubtedly was a huge struggle for you and a huge risk for your family. My father did the exact same thing.

But just as my parents provided a very comfortable life for me through THEIR hard work, your children likely have a lot of advantages that others don't through yours. Their lives will almost certainly be very comfortable as a result, irrespective of whether or not they matriculate to TJ or an Ivy League school or whatever. If I'm evaluating applications, I'm looking at context; what did this child do in the context of their circumstances? And while I think FCPS still has work to do in this area to identify the top students at each middle school (reinstituting teacher recs, conducting interviews, liaising with students services folks, etc), their attempt in this area is admirable.

Your kid is not being punished for your success - they're simply no longer being rewarded for it. And I can understand how that feels like a jab at you, given how many parents in that community seem to view TJ and college admissions acceptances as an accomplishment for the family (read: the parents) rather than for the student - but it's not. Schools aren't admitting parents; they're admitting kids.

You make a good argument and I agree with some of your points but what's missing is any acknowledgment that there always has been and continues to be a lot of discrimination against Asians in the United States. Not a day goes by when my child is not being made fun of or stereotyped for how they look. My child's good friend is Hispanic but white Hispanic with blond hair and when they talk about discrimination the friend shrugs and says they have not experienced any of it because of how they look. Why is my child's experience devalued?

It isn't... it just has nothing to do with getting into an elite school. The ugly historic discrimination that has been suffered by Asian-Americans in this country is something that we should all be ashamed of - but "my kid gets made fun of because of how they look" doesn't equate to "we have no money because my parents can't get a high paying job because people think Black folks are inherently dumber".

Do you actually believe that BS

Corporations and colleges are bending over backwards to hire black folks with any kind of talent. Meanwhile Asians need to punch multiple times above the average to have a shot.

This isn't because of some inherent bias against Asians. It's because of two reasons:

1) Bringing in folks of all backgrounds and experiences makes your product more attractive to people from all backgrounds and experiences, meaning a stronger applicant pool and thus a stronger group eventually selected

2) Bringing in folks of all backgrounds and experiences makes your product more responsive to people from all backgrounds and experiences, meaning a better overall product.

If it were bad for businesses or colleges (which are essentially businesses) to bring in diverse populations, they'd stop doing it in a heartbeat. You're just pissed because it's in their best interests and that means that the supply of exceptional Asian applicants exceeds the demand for them.

I love how you just made the conservative case for affirmative action *applause*

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Anonymous wrote:Look it's very easy. This all started with the NAACP. Some/Most Democrats bend over backward for this organization, frankly because they are deathly afraid to be called racist.

You might not like Asra's approach but it's what needs to be done. Democrats need to be afraid that they will be called racist if they ever go against asians

That's all the democratic party is a bunch of spineless politicians afraid of special interest groups and kowtowing to increasingly extreme and radical demands to appear woke.

To be fair many republicans do the same thing with the insane MAGA crowd.

It's why unaffiliated is dramatically increasing. Both parties suck.

The problem is that Asra looks like a clown show because she's advocating on behalf of a people who are relatively VERY well off in the Northern Virginia area from her estate in Great Falls. Her message resonates with other rich folks but when she tries to compare their struggle to that of African-Americans in this country, she comes off as incredibly tone deaf to everyone who is NOT in her affinity group.

If you need evidence of how out of touch she is, look at the videos that she posts where she's shrieking like a lunatic. Any normal person would want to distance themselves from that sort of self-incriminating footage as much as possible, but she uses it as leverage to gain the sympathy of other folks who, like her, believe that Black people are inferior and undeserving.

If anything is out of touch, it's the TJ Alumni Action Group types pretending that admitting a few more Black kids to TJ is going to meaningfully address the "struggle of African Americans in this county."

FCPS just released Class of 2022 SAT scores. It's not pretty. Black kids continue to have the lowest scores of any group in the county. The average at Mount Vernon, of the schools with the largest percentage of Black kids, was only 988.

But, sure, keep pretending your efforts to replace merit at TJ with tokenism are going to move the needle in any meaningful way. It makes you feel good and as a bonus you get to toss grenades at the highest performing group, Asian students, whose parents often came this country with nothing.

1) A few more spots at TJ isn't going to address the struggle of African-Americans in this country. You're conflating arguments. My point was that Asra is a clown for comparing her struggles to theirs. That's not a controversial statement.

2) No one is tossing grenades at Asian students who has any decision-making power. Some idiots on here are, to be sure, but no one cares about them. What is happening is simply a long-term, still-in-progress adjustment to a process that demonstrably FAVORED Asian students through an over-emphasis on an outdated mode of evaluation that was compromised by a nine-figure prep complex that created huge advantages for families with disposable time, income, and the willingness to invest their resources to create imbalances in the process.

3) There are a staggering amount of Asian parents on this board who seem to want their children to get bonus points for the fact that they came to America with nothing. You are to be commended for the fact that you came to America and built a life for yourself through what undoubtedly was a huge struggle for you and a huge risk for your family. My father did the exact same thing.

But just as my parents provided a very comfortable life for me through THEIR hard work, your children likely have a lot of advantages that others don't through yours. Their lives will almost certainly be very comfortable as a result, irrespective of whether or not they matriculate to TJ or an Ivy League school or whatever. If I'm evaluating applications, I'm looking at context; what did this child do in the context of their circumstances? And while I think FCPS still has work to do in this area to identify the top students at each middle school (reinstituting teacher recs, conducting interviews, liaising with students services folks, etc), their attempt in this area is admirable.

Your kid is not being punished for your success - they're simply no longer being rewarded for it. And I can understand how that feels like a jab at you, given how many parents in that community seem to view TJ and college admissions acceptances as an accomplishment for the family (read: the parents) rather than for the student - but it's not. Schools aren't admitting parents; they're admitting kids.

You make a good argument and I agree with some of your points but what's missing is any acknowledgment that there always has been and continues to be a lot of discrimination against Asians in the United States. Not a day goes by when my child is not being made fun of or stereotyped for how they look. My child's good friend is Hispanic but white Hispanic with blond hair and when they talk about discrimination the friend shrugs and says they have not experienced any of it because of how they look. Why is my child's experience devalued?

It isn't... it just has nothing to do with getting into an elite school. The ugly historic discrimination that has been suffered by Asian-Americans in this country is something that we should all be ashamed of - but "my kid gets made fun of because of how they look" doesn't equate to "we have no money because my parents can't get a high paying job because people think Black folks are inherently dumber".

Do you actually believe that BS

Corporations and colleges are bending over backwards to hire black folks with any kind of talent. Meanwhile Asians need to punch multiple times above the average to have a shot.

This isn't because of some inherent bias against Asians. It's because of two reasons:

1) Bringing in folks of all backgrounds and experiences makes your product more attractive to people from all backgrounds and experiences, meaning a stronger applicant pool and thus a stronger group eventually selected

2) Bringing in folks of all backgrounds and experiences makes your product more responsive to people from all backgrounds and experiences, meaning a better overall product.

If it were bad for businesses or colleges (which are essentially businesses) to bring in diverse populations, they'd stop doing it in a heartbeat. You're just pissed because it's in their best interests and that means that the supply of exceptional Asian applicants exceeds the demand for them.

Point 1 is complete BS its a weaker applicant pool because the overall talent is diluted because skin color matters more

Point 2 is correct yes businesses are snapping up URM to appeal to all aspects of consumer bases to make more money plain and simpley

And yes colleges recognize this so there is an arms race for URM with any kind of talent because yes college is a business to try and increase endowments.

The orginial point was somehow blacks are at a disadvantage which is complete bs. Asians are. The talent level for URM is several standard deviations below the talent level for asians

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Anonymous wrote:Look it's very easy. This all started with the NAACP. Some/Most Democrats bend over backward for this organization, frankly because they are deathly afraid to be called racist.

You might not like Asra's approach but it's what needs to be done. Democrats need to be afraid that they will be called racist if they ever go against asians

That's all the democratic party is a bunch of spineless politicians afraid of special interest groups and kowtowing to increasingly extreme and radical demands to appear woke.

To be fair many republicans do the same thing with the insane MAGA crowd.

It's why unaffiliated is dramatically increasing. Both parties suck.

The problem is that Asra looks like a clown show because she's advocating on behalf of a people who are relatively VERY well off in the Northern Virginia area from her estate in Great Falls. Her message resonates with other rich folks but when she tries to compare their struggle to that of African-Americans in this country, she comes off as incredibly tone deaf to everyone who is NOT in her affinity group.

If you need evidence of how out of touch she is, look at the videos that she posts where she's shrieking like a lunatic. Any normal person would want to distance themselves from that sort of self-incriminating footage as much as possible, but she uses it as leverage to gain the sympathy of other folks who, like her, believe that Black people are inferior and undeserving.

If anything is out of touch, it's the TJ Alumni Action Group types pretending that admitting a few more Black kids to TJ is going to meaningfully address the "struggle of African Americans in this county."

FCPS just released Class of 2022 SAT scores. It's not pretty. Black kids continue to have the lowest scores of any group in the county. The average at Mount Vernon, of the schools with the largest percentage of Black kids, was only 988.

But, sure, keep pretending your efforts to replace merit at TJ with tokenism are going to move the needle in any meaningful way. It makes you feel good and as a bonus you get to toss grenades at the highest performing group, Asian students, whose parents often came this country with nothing.

1) A few more spots at TJ isn't going to address the struggle of African-Americans in this country. You're conflating arguments. My point was that Asra is a clown for comparing her struggles to theirs. That's not a controversial statement.

2) No one is tossing grenades at Asian students who has any decision-making power. Some idiots on here are, to be sure, but no one cares about them. What is happening is simply a long-term, still-in-progress adjustment to a process that demonstrably FAVORED Asian students through an over-emphasis on an outdated mode of evaluation that was compromised by a nine-figure prep complex that created huge advantages for families with disposable time, income, and the willingness to invest their resources to create imbalances in the process.

3) There are a staggering amount of Asian parents on this board who seem to want their children to get bonus points for the fact that they came to America with nothing. You are to be commended for the fact that you came to America and built a life for yourself through what undoubtedly was a huge struggle for you and a huge risk for your family. My father did the exact same thing.

But just as my parents provided a very comfortable life for me through THEIR hard work, your children likely have a lot of advantages that others don't through yours. Their lives will almost certainly be very comfortable as a result, irrespective of whether or not they matriculate to TJ or an Ivy League school or whatever. If I'm evaluating applications, I'm looking at context; what did this child do in the context of their circumstances? And while I think FCPS still has work to do in this area to identify the top students at each middle school (reinstituting teacher recs, conducting interviews, liaising with students services folks, etc), their attempt in this area is admirable.

Your kid is not being punished for your success - they're simply no longer being rewarded for it. And I can understand how that feels like a jab at you, given how many parents in that community seem to view TJ and college admissions acceptances as an accomplishment for the family (read: the parents) rather than for the student - but it's not. Schools aren't admitting parents; they're admitting kids.

You make a good argument and I agree with some of your points but what's missing is any acknowledgment that there always has been and continues to be a lot of discrimination against Asians in the United States. Not a day goes by when my child is not being made fun of or stereotyped for how they look. My child's good friend is Hispanic but white Hispanic with blond hair and when they talk about discrimination the friend shrugs and says they have not experienced any of it because of how they look. Why is my child's experience devalued?

It isn't... it just has nothing to do with getting into an elite school. The ugly historic discrimination that has been suffered by Asian-Americans in this country is something that we should all be ashamed of - but "my kid gets made fun of because of how they look" doesn't equate to "we have no money because my parents can't get a high paying job because people think Black folks are inherently dumber".

Do you actually believe that BS

Corporations and colleges are bending over backwards to hire black folks with any kind of talent. Meanwhile Asians need to punch multiple times above the average to have a shot.

This isn't because of some inherent bias against Asians. It's because of two reasons:

1) Bringing in folks of all backgrounds and experiences makes your product more attractive to people from all backgrounds and experiences, meaning a stronger applicant pool and thus a stronger group eventually selected

2) Bringing in folks of all backgrounds and experiences makes your product more responsive to people from all backgrounds and experiences, meaning a better overall product.

If it were bad for businesses or colleges (which are essentially businesses) to bring in diverse populations, they'd stop doing it in a heartbeat. You're just pissed because it's in their best interests and that means that the supply of exceptional Asian applicants exceeds the demand for them.

BINGO!

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Anonymous wrote:Look it's very easy. This all started with the NAACP. Some/Most Democrats bend over backward for this organization, frankly because they are deathly afraid to be called racist.

You might not like Asra's approach but it's what needs to be done. Democrats need to be afraid that they will be called racist if they ever go against asians

That's all the democratic party is a bunch of spineless politicians afraid of special interest groups and kowtowing to increasingly extreme and radical demands to appear woke.

To be fair many republicans do the same thing with the insane MAGA crowd.

It's why unaffiliated is dramatically increasing. Both parties suck.

The problem is that Asra looks like a clown show because she's advocating on behalf of a people who are relatively VERY well off in the Northern Virginia area from her estate in Great Falls. Her message resonates with other rich folks but when she tries to compare their struggle to that of African-Americans in this country, she comes off as incredibly tone deaf to everyone who is NOT in her affinity group.

If you need evidence of how out of touch she is, look at the videos that she posts where she's shrieking like a lunatic. Any normal person would want to distance themselves from that sort of self-incriminating footage as much as possible, but she uses it as leverage to gain the sympathy of other folks who, like her, believe that Black people are inferior and undeserving.

If anything is out of touch, it's the TJ Alumni Action Group types pretending that admitting a few more Black kids to TJ is going to meaningfully address the "struggle of African Americans in this county."

FCPS just released Class of 2022 SAT scores. It's not pretty. Black kids continue to have the lowest scores of any group in the county. The average at Mount Vernon, of the schools with the largest percentage of Black kids, was only 988.

But, sure, keep pretending your efforts to replace merit at TJ with tokenism are going to move the needle in any meaningful way. It makes you feel good and as a bonus you get to toss grenades at the highest performing group, Asian students, whose parents often came this country with nothing.

1) A few more spots at TJ isn't going to address the struggle of African-Americans in this country. You're conflating arguments. My point was that Asra is a clown for comparing her struggles to theirs. That's not a controversial statement.

2) No one is tossing grenades at Asian students who has any decision-making power. Some idiots on here are, to be sure, but no one cares about them. What is happening is simply a long-term, still-in-progress adjustment to a process that demonstrably FAVORED Asian students through an over-emphasis on an outdated mode of evaluation that was compromised by a nine-figure prep complex that created huge advantages for families with disposable time, income, and the willingness to invest their resources to create imbalances in the process.

3) There are a staggering amount of Asian parents on this board who seem to want their children to get bonus points for the fact that they came to America with nothing. You are to be commended for the fact that you came to America and built a life for yourself through what undoubtedly was a huge struggle for you and a huge risk for your family. My father did the exact same thing.

But just as my parents provided a very comfortable life for me through THEIR hard work, your children likely have a lot of advantages that others don't through yours. Their lives will almost certainly be very comfortable as a result, irrespective of whether or not they matriculate to TJ or an Ivy League school or whatever. If I'm evaluating applications, I'm looking at context; what did this child do in the context of their circumstances? And while I think FCPS still has work to do in this area to identify the top students at each middle school (reinstituting teacher recs, conducting interviews, liaising with students services folks, etc), their attempt in this area is admirable.

Your kid is not being punished for your success - they're simply no longer being rewarded for it. And I can understand how that feels like a jab at you, given how many parents in that community seem to view TJ and college admissions acceptances as an accomplishment for the family (read: the parents) rather than for the student - but it's not. Schools aren't admitting parents; they're admitting kids.

You make a good argument and I agree with some of your points but what's missing is any acknowledgment that there always has been and continues to be a lot of discrimination against Asians in the United States. Not a day goes by when my child is not being made fun of or stereotyped for how they look. My child's good friend is Hispanic but white Hispanic with blond hair and when they talk about discrimination the friend shrugs and says they have not experienced any of it because of how they look. Why is my child's experience devalued?

It isn't... it just has nothing to do with getting into an elite school. The ugly historic discrimination that has been suffered by Asian-Americans in this country is something that we should all be ashamed of - but "my kid gets made fun of because of how they look" doesn't equate to "we have no money because my parents can't get a high paying job because people think Black folks are inherently dumber".

Do you actually believe that BS

Corporations and colleges are bending over backwards to hire black folks with any kind of talent. Meanwhile Asians need to punch multiple times above the average to have a shot.

This isn't because of some inherent bias against Asians. It's because of two reasons:

1) Bringing in folks of all backgrounds and experiences makes your product more attractive to people from all backgrounds and experiences, meaning a stronger applicant pool and thus a stronger group eventually selected

2) Bringing in folks of all backgrounds and experiences makes your product more responsive to people from all backgrounds and experiences, meaning a better overall product.

If it were bad for businesses or colleges (which are essentially businesses) to bring in diverse populations, they'd stop doing it in a heartbeat. You're just pissed because it's in their best interests and that means that the supply of exceptional Asian applicants exceeds the demand for them.

Point 1 is complete BS its a weaker applicant pool because the overall talent is diluted because skin color matters more

Point 2 is correct yes businesses are snapping up URM to appeal to all aspects of consumer bases to make more money plain and simpley

And yes colleges recognize this so there is an arms race for URM with any kind of talent because yes college is a business to try and increase endowments.

The orginial point was somehow blacks are at a disadvantage which is complete bs. Asians are. The talent level for URM is several standard deviations below the talent level for asians

Nice try. You’re displaying literally zero awareness of the world beyond your front door. Which is fine - just own up to your ignorance.

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Anonymous wrote:When did FCPS make any statement about needing reforms because people are buying the test at prep schools?

The scandal that prompted the board reforms was that kids were encouraged to memorize exam questions and report them back to Curie. Curie would teach the next group of kids, including the memorized questions from the previous year. This provided Curie with a copy of past exams, which would allow them to teach their students how to prepare for the specific types of questions asked on the exam.

Students and parents sign non-disclosure agreements where they agree not to discuss the test or test questions with anyone else. By memorizing and reporting the questions, the students violated that agreement. By teaching new students using those questions, Curie provided those students with a leg up on the exam because the students had already practiced the questions.

Happens all the time. At least the parents didn't bribe school officials or pay people to take the test or change the scores like many others did.

They bought their kids' early access to gain an advantage. Many complain about the changes, but it comes down to the fact that they could game admissions, and they miss it.

Your constant demonization of "they" is going to come back and bite the Democrats in the ass next year.

These clowns have mismanaged the schools for many years but somehow they think they'll regain support if they throw Asian kids under the bus and toss out TJ seats like candy to less qualified kids at schools with weak peer groups.

Most people don't give a rat's ass about TJ, but Asians live all over the county with kids at many schools and they've heard about the ugly bigots like Anderson, Corbett Sanders and Keys Gamarra.

This again. Stop it, no Asian is going to abandon everything else they stand for and suddenly support Youngkin and his clan over TJ.

I will - this whole TJ debacle turned me into a bitter single issue Asian American voter. My aim is to punish Democrats at all future elections starting in this November by voting all Republicans and actively campaigning against all Democrats running in my district by trying to convince all of my friends, neighbors and relatives. I regret having voted Democrats all my life.

Can't tell if PP is actually an insane person or is just making fun of the insanity that would be necessary to abandon all common sense to vote for a party that will promise to protect a very small number of spaces at an elite school but will in fact do nothing of the sort.

It's more than just TJ, discrimination against Asians in college admissions, lack of adequate representation in many aspects of society by Asians and Dems only harping about 1 area to whine about 'over-representations at elite colleges while ignoring under-representation of Asians in many other areas, systematic murdering of Asians in many blue cities and refusal to bring hate crimes charges by woke Democratic DAs, refusal to cover or even acknowledge bl### on Asian hate crime wave that has been going on for over 2 years by liberal media, pandering to other preferred group while crapping all over Asians, crazy out of control wokeness, trans policy etc. etc.

Someone got mad about TJ and started watching Fox News, and has since lost all grip on reality. It's kind of sad and embarrassing watching this happen.

People don’t like being stereotyped and discriminated against. Is that somehow shocking?

It's not, but in this instance Asians are neither being stereotyped nor discriminated against. A process is being removed that was demonstrably favorable to them. Those two things aren't the same.

Now, they are stereotyped relentlessly on this board - frequently by their own people. But that's not the same as a government entity doing it.

An example of Asians being stereotyped by a government entity would be TJ's former principal getting escorted out the door for essentially claiming that TJ's cheating problem was attributable to the high-pressure environment within the Asian community. THAT's stereotyping.

The casual and overt racist racism on this board is part of it. Racist comments about black people is met with a righteous fury, as it should. Racist comments and stereotypes against Asians? Whatever. Many Democrats turn a blind eye. Good luck getting people to care.

We see the double standards, and what gets said on this board is a microcosm of the general pulse of the Democratic party. Democrats just don't care about Asians.

TJ is not an isolated incident. Magnet schools across the country are being reformed for equity reasons, and racism against Asians has reared its ugly head in places, San Francisco being the shining example. But even with TJ you had people like State Delegate Mark Keam saying Asian-American parents are “using [TJ] to get into Ivy League schools and then go back to their home country,” and Brabrand saying parents engage in "pay to play."

I'm sure you're going to gaslight us on how that's not racist or stereotyping.

What Keam said is ugly and false. What Brabrand said is ugly and largely true. Doesn't make it any less ugly, but when it's true, it indicates a problem that needs to be solved.

the audacity of your problem is astounding. we are not a problem to be solved. go away. maybe you and brabrabd could spend more time with your kids instead of throwing stones at others. losers.

The "problem" is that wealthy families are able to use their resources to create imbalances in admissions processes.

Whether it's Indian families paying thousands of dollars for 16 months of Curie or white families spending $400/hr on individualized SAT tutoring, the problem remains the same: in order to keep up, families of lesser means are forced into a choice: pay for something they can't afford or cede an unlevel playing field to the rich. Where academics are concerned, that's unconscionable.

So we need to solve the problem by creating admissions mechanics that can't be so easily dominated by people with money.

BINGO!

bingoman...now I know why you want a lottery. can't do the work just want to play bingo.

It's true I prefer random chance to a rigged game!

I know! It really stinks that we can't buy admissions like the good old days. This new process is so annoying.

Tell us how you bought admissions for your kid. You must be clever.

Not the PP but just sign up for Curie courses starting in first grade. It will set you back maybe $20k over the next 7-8 years but they'll be a shoe in.

It takes 8 years to buy the admissions? it must be a really long transaction. Anything that takes shorter period to buy the admissions?

Scott Brabrand

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Anonymous wrote:Look it's very easy. This all started with the NAACP. Some/Most Democrats bend over backward for this organization, frankly because they are deathly afraid to be called racist.

You might not like Asra's approach but it's what needs to be done. Democrats need to be afraid that they will be called racist if they ever go against asians

That's all the democratic party is a bunch of spineless politicians afraid of special interest groups and kowtowing to increasingly extreme and radical demands to appear woke.

To be fair many republicans do the same thing with the insane MAGA crowd.

It's why unaffiliated is dramatically increasing. Both parties suck.

The problem is that Asra looks like a clown show because she's advocating on behalf of a people who are relatively VERY well off in the Northern Virginia area from her estate in Great Falls. Her message resonates with other rich folks but when she tries to compare their struggle to that of African-Americans in this country, she comes off as incredibly tone deaf to everyone who is NOT in her affinity group.

If you need evidence of how out of touch she is, look at the videos that she posts where she's shrieking like a lunatic. Any normal person would want to distance themselves from that sort of self-incriminating footage as much as possible, but she uses it as leverage to gain the sympathy of other folks who, like her, believe that Black people are inferior and undeserving.

If anything is out of touch, it's the TJ Alumni Action Group types pretending that admitting a few more Black kids to TJ is going to meaningfully address the "struggle of African Americans in this county."

FCPS just released Class of 2022 SAT scores. It's not pretty. Black kids continue to have the lowest scores of any group in the county. The average at Mount Vernon, of the schools with the largest percentage of Black kids, was only 988.

But, sure, keep pretending your efforts to replace merit at TJ with tokenism are going to move the needle in any meaningful way. It makes you feel good and as a bonus you get to toss grenades at the highest performing group, Asian students, whose parents often came this country with nothing.

1) A few more spots at TJ isn't going to address the struggle of African-Americans in this country. You're conflating arguments. My point was that Asra is a clown for comparing her struggles to theirs. That's not a controversial statement.

2) No one is tossing grenades at Asian students who has any decision-making power. Some idiots on here are, to be sure, but no one cares about them. What is happening is simply a long-term, still-in-progress adjustment to a process that demonstrably FAVORED Asian students through an over-emphasis on an outdated mode of evaluation that was compromised by a nine-figure prep complex that created huge advantages for families with disposable time, income, and the willingness to invest their resources to create imbalances in the process.

3) There are a staggering amount of Asian parents on this board who seem to want their children to get bonus points for the fact that they came to America with nothing. You are to be commended for the fact that you came to America and built a life for yourself through what undoubtedly was a huge struggle for you and a huge risk for your family. My father did the exact same thing.

But just as my parents provided a very comfortable life for me through THEIR hard work, your children likely have a lot of advantages that others don't through yours. Their lives will almost certainly be very comfortable as a result, irrespective of whether or not they matriculate to TJ or an Ivy League school or whatever. If I'm evaluating applications, I'm looking at context; what did this child do in the context of their circumstances? And while I think FCPS still has work to do in this area to identify the top students at each middle school (reinstituting teacher recs, conducting interviews, liaising with students services folks, etc), their attempt in this area is admirable.

Your kid is not being punished for your success - they're simply no longer being rewarded for it. And I can understand how that feels like a jab at you, given how many parents in that community seem to view TJ and college admissions acceptances as an accomplishment for the family (read: the parents) rather than for the student - but it's not. Schools aren't admitting parents; they're admitting kids.

You make a good argument and I agree with some of your points but what's missing is any acknowledgment that there always has been and continues to be a lot of discrimination against Asians in the United States. Not a day goes by when my child is not being made fun of or stereotyped for how they look. My child's good friend is Hispanic but white Hispanic with blond hair and when they talk about discrimination the friend shrugs and says they have not experienced any of it because of how they look. Why is my child's experience devalued?

It isn't... it just has nothing to do with getting into an elite school. The ugly historic discrimination that has been suffered by Asian-Americans in this country is something that we should all be ashamed of - but "my kid gets made fun of because of how they look" doesn't equate to "we have no money because my parents can't get a high paying job because people think Black folks are inherently dumber".

Do you actually believe that BS

Corporations and colleges are bending over backwards to hire black folks with any kind of talent. Meanwhile Asians need to punch multiple times above the average to have a shot.

This isn't because of some inherent bias against Asians. It's because of two reasons:

1) Bringing in folks of all backgrounds and experiences makes your product more attractive to people from all backgrounds and experiences, meaning a stronger applicant pool and thus a stronger group eventually selected

2) Bringing in folks of all backgrounds and experiences makes your product more responsive to people from all backgrounds and experiences, meaning a better overall product.

If it were bad for businesses or colleges (which are essentially businesses) to bring in diverse populations, they'd stop doing it in a heartbeat. You're just pissed because it's in their best interests and that means that the supply of exceptional Asian applicants exceeds the demand for them.

Point 1 is complete BS its a weaker applicant pool because the overall talent is diluted because skin color matters more

Point 2 is correct yes businesses are snapping up URM to appeal to all aspects of consumer bases to make more money plain and simpley

And yes colleges recognize this so there is an arms race for URM with any kind of talent because yes college is a business to try and increase endowments.

The orginial point was somehow blacks are at a disadvantage which is complete bs. Asians are. The talent level for URM is several standard deviations below the talent level for asians

Nice try. You’re displaying literally zero awareness of the world beyond your front door. Which is fine - just own up to your ignorance.

Not sure what they're gassing on about anyway. Someone needs to tell them that TJ admissions are race blind because none of that matters.

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the original argument was that blacks are disadvantaged. It's the opposite blacks are advantaged in college admissions and decent company corporate recruiting

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Anonymous wrote:the original argument was that blacks are disadvantaged. It's the opposite blacks are advantaged in college admissions and decent company corporate recruiting

You're mistaken. Admissions are race blind. The argument was that the admissions favored affluent families who often spend upward of $20k on prep to ensure their kids present as gifted. This puts those who are truly gifted but low-income at a big disadvantage so they wanted to reduce the impact of prep. This became even more critical with the widespread cheating since some were even able to buy access to the test questions.

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Anonymous wrote:Look it's very easy. This all started with the NAACP. Some/Most Democrats bend over backward for this organization, frankly because they are deathly afraid to be called racist.

You might not like Asra's approach but it's what needs to be done. Democrats need to be afraid that they will be called racist if they ever go against asians

That's all the democratic party is a bunch of spineless politicians afraid of special interest groups and kowtowing to increasingly extreme and radical demands to appear woke.

To be fair many republicans do the same thing with the insane MAGA crowd.

It's why unaffiliated is dramatically increasing. Both parties suck.

The problem is that Asra looks like a clown show because she's advocating on behalf of a people who are relatively VERY well off in the Northern Virginia area from her estate in Great Falls. Her message resonates with other rich folks but when she tries to compare their struggle to that of African-Americans in this country, she comes off as incredibly tone deaf to everyone who is NOT in her affinity group.

If you need evidence of how out of touch she is, look at the videos that she posts where she's shrieking like a lunatic. Any normal person would want to distance themselves from that sort of self-incriminating footage as much as possible, but she uses it as leverage to gain the sympathy of other folks who, like her, believe that Black people are inferior and undeserving.

If anything is out of touch, it's the TJ Alumni Action Group types pretending that admitting a few more Black kids to TJ is going to meaningfully address the "struggle of African Americans in this county."

FCPS just released Class of 2022 SAT scores. It's not pretty. Black kids continue to have the lowest scores of any group in the county. The average at Mount Vernon, of the schools with the largest percentage of Black kids, was only 988.

But, sure, keep pretending your efforts to replace merit at TJ with tokenism are going to move the needle in any meaningful way. It makes you feel good and as a bonus you get to toss grenades at the highest performing group, Asian students, whose parents often came this country with nothing.

1) A few more spots at TJ isn't going to address the struggle of African-Americans in this country. You're conflating arguments. My point was that Asra is a clown for comparing her struggles to theirs. That's not a controversial statement.

2) No one is tossing grenades at Asian students who has any decision-making power. Some idiots on here are, to be sure, but no one cares about them. What is happening is simply a long-term, still-in-progress adjustment to a process that demonstrably FAVORED Asian students through an over-emphasis on an outdated mode of evaluation that was compromised by a nine-figure prep complex that created huge advantages for families with disposable time, income, and the willingness to invest their resources to create imbalances in the process.

3) There are a staggering amount of Asian parents on this board who seem to want their children to get bonus points for the fact that they came to America with nothing. You are to be commended for the fact that you came to America and built a life for yourself through what undoubtedly was a huge struggle for you and a huge risk for your family. My father did the exact same thing.

But just as my parents provided a very comfortable life for me through THEIR hard work, your children likely have a lot of advantages that others don't through yours. Their lives will almost certainly be very comfortable as a result, irrespective of whether or not they matriculate to TJ or an Ivy League school or whatever. If I'm evaluating applications, I'm looking at context; what did this child do in the context of their circumstances? And while I think FCPS still has work to do in this area to identify the top students at each middle school (reinstituting teacher recs, conducting interviews, liaising with students services folks, etc), their attempt in this area is admirable.

Your kid is not being punished for your success - they're simply no longer being rewarded for it. And I can understand how that feels like a jab at you, given how many parents in that community seem to view TJ and college admissions acceptances as an accomplishment for the family (read: the parents) rather than for the student - but it's not. Schools aren't admitting parents; they're admitting kids.

You make a good argument and I agree with some of your points but what's missing is any acknowledgment that there always has been and continues to be a lot of discrimination against Asians in the United States. Not a day goes by when my child is not being made fun of or stereotyped for how they look. My child's good friend is Hispanic but white Hispanic with blond hair and when they talk about discrimination the friend shrugs and says they have not experienced any of it because of how they look. Why is my child's experience devalued?

It isn't... it just has nothing to do with getting into an elite school. The ugly historic discrimination that has been suffered by Asian-Americans in this country is something that we should all be ashamed of - but "my kid gets made fun of because of how they look" doesn't equate to "we have no money because my parents can't get a high paying job because people think Black folks are inherently dumber".

You really don’t get it do you? Asians also lose out on jobs too because people stereotype them as lower class, stupid because of accents, or other horrible ideas about race. Do you a white person actually have any idea what it is like? It goes far beyond being teased or bullied but the fact that you brush that off as not a big deal shows your ignorance. How dare you.

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The worst part is that some people would defend Black classmates against any discrimination but think it is ok to discriminate against Asians or if Asians say they experienced racism they are whining and it is not that big of a deal.

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Anonymous wrote:the original argument was that blacks are disadvantaged. It's the opposite blacks are advantaged in college admissions and decent company corporate recruiting

You're mistaken. Admissions are race blind. The argument was that the admissions favored affluent families who often spend upward of $20k on prep to ensure their kids present as gifted. This puts those who are truly gifted but low-income at a big disadvantage so they wanted to reduce the impact of prep. This became even more critical with the widespread cheating since some were even able to buy access to the test questions.

DP. The PP you quoted said that URMs have advantages with college admissions and company recruiting. They didn't say anything about TJ. Why do you bother responding when you either couldn't be bothered to read what the PP posted or you have the functional literacy of an 8 year old?

Also, regarding the bolded. You're flat out lying. You've been called out for the lying multiple times by multiple people, yet you persist. Why? What is wrong with you?

[Anonymous]

Asian Lives Matter.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:the original argument was that blacks are disadvantaged. It's the opposite blacks are advantaged in college admissions and decent company corporate recruiting

You're mistaken. Admissions are race blind. The argument was that the admissions favored affluent families who often spend upward of $20k on prep to ensure their kids present as gifted. This puts those who are truly gifted but low-income at a big disadvantage so they wanted to reduce the impact of prep. This became even more critical with the widespread cheating since some were even able to buy access to the test questions.

+1000 The problem is many parents liked being able to game admissions and are angry that they can no longer buy their kids way into TJ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Asian Lives Matter.

White lives matter more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look it's very easy. This all started with the NAACP. Some/Most Democrats bend over backward for this organization, frankly because they are deathly afraid to be called racist.

You might not like Asra's approach but it's what needs to be done. Democrats need to be afraid that they will be called racist if they ever go against asians

That's all the democratic party is a bunch of spineless politicians afraid of special interest groups and kowtowing to increasingly extreme and radical demands to appear woke.

To be fair many republicans do the same thing with the insane MAGA crowd.

It's why unaffiliated is dramatically increasing. Both parties suck.

The problem is that Asra looks like a clown show because she's advocating on behalf of a people who are relatively VERY well off in the Northern Virginia area from her estate in Great Falls. Her message resonates with other rich folks but when she tries to compare their struggle to that of African-Americans in this country, she comes off as incredibly tone deaf to everyone who is NOT in her affinity group.

If you need evidence of how out of touch she is, look at the videos that she posts where she's shrieking like a lunatic. Any normal person would want to distance themselves from that sort of self-incriminating footage as much as possible, but she uses it as leverage to gain the sympathy of other folks who, like her, believe that Black people are inferior and undeserving.

If anything is out of touch, it's the TJ Alumni Action Group types pretending that admitting a few more Black kids to TJ is going to meaningfully address the "struggle of African Americans in this county."

FCPS just released Class of 2022 SAT scores. It's not pretty. Black kids continue to have the lowest scores of any group in the county. The average at Mount Vernon, of the schools with the largest percentage of Black kids, was only 988.

But, sure, keep pretending your efforts to replace merit at TJ with tokenism are going to move the needle in any meaningful way. It makes you feel good and as a bonus you get to toss grenades at the highest performing group, Asian students, whose parents often came this country with nothing.

1) A few more spots at TJ isn't going to address the struggle of African-Americans in this country. You're conflating arguments. My point was that Asra is a clown for comparing her struggles to theirs. That's not a controversial statement.

2) No one is tossing grenades at Asian students who has any decision-making power. Some idiots on here are, to be sure, but no one cares about them. What is happening is simply a long-term, still-in-progress adjustment to a process that demonstrably FAVORED Asian students through an over-emphasis on an outdated mode of evaluation that was compromised by a nine-figure prep complex that created huge advantages for families with disposable time, income, and the willingness to invest their resources to create imbalances in the process.

3) There are a staggering amount of Asian parents on this board who seem to want their children to get bonus points for the fact that they came to America with nothing. You are to be commended for the fact that you came to America and built a life for yourself through what undoubtedly was a huge struggle for you and a huge risk for your family. My father did the exact same thing.

But just as my parents provided a very comfortable life for me through THEIR hard work, your children likely have a lot of advantages that others don't through yours. Their lives will almost certainly be very comfortable as a result, irrespective of whether or not they matriculate to TJ or an Ivy League school or whatever. If I'm evaluating applications, I'm looking at context; what did this child do in the context of their circumstances? And while I think FCPS still has work to do in this area to identify the top students at each middle school (reinstituting teacher recs, conducting interviews, liaising with students services folks, etc), their attempt in this area is admirable.

Your kid is not being punished for your success - they're simply no longer being rewarded for it. And I can understand how that feels like a jab at you, given how many parents in that community seem to view TJ and college admissions acceptances as an accomplishment for the family (read: the parents) rather than for the student - but it's not. Schools aren't admitting parents; they're admitting kids.

You make a good argument and I agree with some of your points but what's missing is any acknowledgment that there always has been and continues to be a lot of discrimination against Asians in the United States. Not a day goes by when my child is not being made fun of or stereotyped for how they look. My child's good friend is Hispanic but white Hispanic with blond hair and when they talk about discrimination the friend shrugs and says they have not experienced any of it because of how they look. Why is my child's experience devalued?

It isn't... it just has nothing to do with getting into an elite school. The ugly historic discrimination that has been suffered by Asian-Americans in this country is something that we should all be ashamed of - but "my kid gets made fun of because of how they look" doesn't equate to "we have no money because my parents can't get a high paying job because people think Black folks are inherently dumber".

You really don’t get it do you? Asians also lose out on jobs too because people stereotype them as lower class, stupid because of accents, or other horrible ideas about race. Do you a white person actually have any idea what it is like? It goes far beyond being teased or bullied but the fact that you brush that off as not a big deal shows your ignorance. How dare you.

…what year do you think it is?