TJ Discrimination Case

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Anonymous wrote:Look it's very easy. This all started with the NAACP. Some/Most Democrats bend over backward for this organization, frankly because they are deathly afraid to be called racist.

You might not like Asra's approach but it's what needs to be done. Democrats need to be afraid that they will be called racist if they ever go against asians

That's all the democratic party is a bunch of spineless politicians afraid of special interest groups and kowtowing to increasingly extreme and radical demands to appear woke.

To be fair many republicans do the same thing with the insane MAGA crowd.

It's why unaffiliated is dramatically increasing. Both parties suck.



The problem is that Asra looks like a clown show because she's advocating on behalf of a people who are relatively VERY well off in the Northern Virginia area from her estate in Great Falls. Her message resonates with other rich folks but when she tries to compare their struggle to that of African-Americans in this country, she comes off as incredibly tone deaf to everyone who is NOT in her affinity group.

If you need evidence of how out of touch she is, look at the videos that she posts where she's shrieking like a lunatic. Any normal person would want to distance themselves from that sort of self-incriminating footage as much as possible, but she uses it as leverage to gain the sympathy of other folks who, like her, believe that Black people are inferior and undeserving.


If anything is out of touch, it's the TJ Alumni Action Group types pretending that admitting a few more Black kids to TJ is going to meaningfully address the "struggle of African Americans in this county."

FCPS just released Class of 2022 SAT scores. It's not pretty. Black kids continue to have the lowest scores of any group in the county. The average at Mount Vernon, of the schools with the largest percentage of Black kids, was only 988.

But, sure, keep pretending your efforts to replace merit at TJ with tokenism are going to move the needle in any meaningful way. It makes you feel good and as a bonus you get to toss grenades at the highest performing group, Asian students, whose parents often came this country with nothing.


1) A few more spots at TJ isn't going to address the struggle of African-Americans in this country. You're conflating arguments. My point was that Asra is a clown for comparing her struggles to theirs. That's not a controversial statement.

2) No one is tossing grenades at Asian students who has any decision-making power. Some idiots on here are, to be sure, but no one cares about them. What is happening is simply a long-term, still-in-progress adjustment to a process that demonstrably FAVORED Asian students through an over-emphasis on an outdated mode of evaluation that was compromised by a nine-figure prep complex that created huge advantages for families with disposable time, income, and the willingness to invest their resources to create imbalances in the process.

3) There are a staggering amount of Asian parents on this board who seem to want their children to get bonus points for the fact that they came to America with nothing. You are to be commended for the fact that you came to America and built a life for yourself through what undoubtedly was a huge struggle for you and a huge risk for your family. My father did the exact same thing.

But just as my parents provided a very comfortable life for me through THEIR hard work, your children likely have a lot of advantages that others don't through yours. Their lives will almost certainly be very comfortable as a result, irrespective of whether or not they matriculate to TJ or an Ivy League school or whatever. If I'm evaluating applications, I'm looking at context; what did this child do in the context of their circumstances? And while I think FCPS still has work to do in this area to identify the top students at each middle school (reinstituting teacher recs, conducting interviews, liaising with students services folks, etc), their attempt in this area is admirable.

Your kid is not being punished for your success - they're simply no longer being rewarded for it. And I can understand how that feels like a jab at you, given how many parents in that community seem to view TJ and college admissions acceptances as an accomplishment for the family (read: the parents) rather than for the student - but it's not. Schools aren't admitting parents; they're admitting kids.


You make a good argument and I agree with some of your points but what's missing is any acknowledgment that there always has been and continues to be a lot of discrimination against Asians in the United States. Not a day goes by when my child is not being made fun of or stereotyped for how they look. My child's good friend is Hispanic but white Hispanic with blond hair and when they talk about discrimination the friend shrugs and says they have not experienced any of it because of how they look. Why is my child's experience devalued?


It isn't... it just has nothing to do with getting into an elite school. The ugly historic discrimination that has been suffered by Asian-Americans in this country is something that we should all be ashamed of - but "my kid gets made fun of because of how they look" doesn't equate to "we have no money because my parents can't get a high paying job because people think Black folks are inherently dumber".


Do you actually believe that BS

Corporations and colleges are bending over backwards to hire black folks with any kind of talent. Meanwhile Asians need to punch multiple times above the average to have a shot.


This isn't because of some inherent bias against Asians. It's because of two reasons:

1) Bringing in folks of all backgrounds and experiences makes your product more attractive to people from all backgrounds and experiences, meaning a stronger applicant pool and thus a stronger group eventually selected

2) Bringing in folks of all backgrounds and experiences makes your product more responsive to people from all backgrounds and experiences, meaning a better overall product.

If it were bad for businesses or colleges (which are essentially businesses) to bring in diverse populations, they'd stop doing it in a heartbeat. You're just pissed because it's in their best interests and that means that the supply of exceptional Asian applicants exceeds the demand for them.


Point 1 is complete BS its a weaker applicant pool because the overall talent is diluted because skin color matters more

Point 2 is correct yes businesses are snapping up URM to appeal to all aspects of consumer bases to make more money plain and simpley

And yes colleges recognize this so there is an arms race for URM with any kind of talent because yes college is a business to try and increase endowments.

The orginial point was somehow blacks are at a disadvantage which is complete bs. Asians are. The talent level for URM is several standard deviations below the talent level for asians





Nice try. You’re displaying literally zero awareness of the world beyond your front door. Which is fine - just own up to your ignorance.


Not sure what they're gassing on about anyway. Someone needs to tell them that TJ admissions are race blind because none of that matters.


TJ's admissions were race blind under the old process too.


Kind of but they were clearly skewed to favor wealthier school boundaries where families could afford to buy access to the tests from the prep centers.
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Anonymous wrote:Look it's very easy. This all started with the NAACP. Some/Most Democrats bend over backward for this organization, frankly because they are deathly afraid to be called racist.

You might not like Asra's approach but it's what needs to be done. Democrats need to be afraid that they will be called racist if they ever go against asians

That's all the democratic party is a bunch of spineless politicians afraid of special interest groups and kowtowing to increasingly extreme and radical demands to appear woke.

To be fair many republicans do the same thing with the insane MAGA crowd.

It's why unaffiliated is dramatically increasing. Both parties suck.



The problem is that Asra looks like a clown show because she's advocating on behalf of a people who are relatively VERY well off in the Northern Virginia area from her estate in Great Falls. Her message resonates with other rich folks but when she tries to compare their struggle to that of African-Americans in this country, she comes off as incredibly tone deaf to everyone who is NOT in her affinity group.

If you need evidence of how out of touch she is, look at the videos that she posts where she's shrieking like a lunatic. Any normal person would want to distance themselves from that sort of self-incriminating footage as much as possible, but she uses it as leverage to gain the sympathy of other folks who, like her, believe that Black people are inferior and undeserving.


If anything is out of touch, it's the TJ Alumni Action Group types pretending that admitting a few more Black kids to TJ is going to meaningfully address the "struggle of African Americans in this county."

FCPS just released Class of 2022 SAT scores. It's not pretty. Black kids continue to have the lowest scores of any group in the county. The average at Mount Vernon, of the schools with the largest percentage of Black kids, was only 988.

But, sure, keep pretending your efforts to replace merit at TJ with tokenism are going to move the needle in any meaningful way. It makes you feel good and as a bonus you get to toss grenades at the highest performing group, Asian students, whose parents often came this country with nothing.


1) A few more spots at TJ isn't going to address the struggle of African-Americans in this country. You're conflating arguments. My point was that Asra is a clown for comparing her struggles to theirs. That's not a controversial statement.

2) No one is tossing grenades at Asian students who has any decision-making power. Some idiots on here are, to be sure, but no one cares about them. What is happening is simply a long-term, still-in-progress adjustment to a process that demonstrably FAVORED Asian students through an over-emphasis on an outdated mode of evaluation that was compromised by a nine-figure prep complex that created huge advantages for families with disposable time, income, and the willingness to invest their resources to create imbalances in the process.

3) There are a staggering amount of Asian parents on this board who seem to want their children to get bonus points for the fact that they came to America with nothing. You are to be commended for the fact that you came to America and built a life for yourself through what undoubtedly was a huge struggle for you and a huge risk for your family. My father did the exact same thing.

But just as my parents provided a very comfortable life for me through THEIR hard work, your children likely have a lot of advantages that others don't through yours. Their lives will almost certainly be very comfortable as a result, irrespective of whether or not they matriculate to TJ or an Ivy League school or whatever. If I'm evaluating applications, I'm looking at context; what did this child do in the context of their circumstances? And while I think FCPS still has work to do in this area to identify the top students at each middle school (reinstituting teacher recs, conducting interviews, liaising with students services folks, etc), their attempt in this area is admirable.

Your kid is not being punished for your success - they're simply no longer being rewarded for it. And I can understand how that feels like a jab at you, given how many parents in that community seem to view TJ and college admissions acceptances as an accomplishment for the family (read: the parents) rather than for the student - but it's not. Schools aren't admitting parents; they're admitting kids.


You make a good argument and I agree with some of your points but what's missing is any acknowledgment that there always has been and continues to be a lot of discrimination against Asians in the United States. Not a day goes by when my child is not being made fun of or stereotyped for how they look. My child's good friend is Hispanic but white Hispanic with blond hair and when they talk about discrimination the friend shrugs and says they have not experienced any of it because of how they look. Why is my child's experience devalued?


It isn't... it just has nothing to do with getting into an elite school. The ugly historic discrimination that has been suffered by Asian-Americans in this country is something that we should all be ashamed of - but "my kid gets made fun of because of how they look" doesn't equate to "we have no money because my parents can't get a high paying job because people think Black folks are inherently dumber".


Do you actually believe that BS

Corporations and colleges are bending over backwards to hire black folks with any kind of talent. Meanwhile Asians need to punch multiple times above the average to have a shot.


This isn't because of some inherent bias against Asians. It's because of two reasons:

1) Bringing in folks of all backgrounds and experiences makes your product more attractive to people from all backgrounds and experiences, meaning a stronger applicant pool and thus a stronger group eventually selected

2) Bringing in folks of all backgrounds and experiences makes your product more responsive to people from all backgrounds and experiences, meaning a better overall product.

If it were bad for businesses or colleges (which are essentially businesses) to bring in diverse populations, they'd stop doing it in a heartbeat. You're just pissed because it's in their best interests and that means that the supply of exceptional Asian applicants exceeds the demand for them.


Point 1 is complete BS its a weaker applicant pool because the overall talent is diluted because skin color matters more

Point 2 is correct yes businesses are snapping up URM to appeal to all aspects of consumer bases to make more money plain and simpley

And yes colleges recognize this so there is an arms race for URM with any kind of talent because yes college is a business to try and increase endowments.

The orginial point was somehow blacks are at a disadvantage which is complete bs. Asians are. The talent level for URM is several standard deviations below the talent level for asians





Nice try. You’re displaying literally zero awareness of the world beyond your front door. Which is fine - just own up to your ignorance.


Not sure what they're gassing on about anyway. Someone needs to tell them that TJ admissions are race blind because none of that matters.


TJ's admissions were race blind under the old process too.


Kind of but they were clearly skewed to favor wealthier school boundaries where families could afford to buy access to the tests from the prep centers.


How did you buy the tests? How much did the tests cost you?
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Anonymous wrote:Look it's very easy. This all started with the NAACP. Some/Most Democrats bend over backward for this organization, frankly because they are deathly afraid to be called racist.

You might not like Asra's approach but it's what needs to be done. Democrats need to be afraid that they will be called racist if they ever go against asians

That's all the democratic party is a bunch of spineless politicians afraid of special interest groups and kowtowing to increasingly extreme and radical demands to appear woke.

To be fair many republicans do the same thing with the insane MAGA crowd.

It's why unaffiliated is dramatically increasing. Both parties suck.



The problem is that Asra looks like a clown show because she's advocating on behalf of a people who are relatively VERY well off in the Northern Virginia area from her estate in Great Falls. Her message resonates with other rich folks but when she tries to compare their struggle to that of African-Americans in this country, she comes off as incredibly tone deaf to everyone who is NOT in her affinity group.

If you need evidence of how out of touch she is, look at the videos that she posts where she's shrieking like a lunatic. Any normal person would want to distance themselves from that sort of self-incriminating footage as much as possible, but she uses it as leverage to gain the sympathy of other folks who, like her, believe that Black people are inferior and undeserving.


If anything is out of touch, it's the TJ Alumni Action Group types pretending that admitting a few more Black kids to TJ is going to meaningfully address the "struggle of African Americans in this county."

FCPS just released Class of 2022 SAT scores. It's not pretty. Black kids continue to have the lowest scores of any group in the county. The average at Mount Vernon, of the schools with the largest percentage of Black kids, was only 988.

But, sure, keep pretending your efforts to replace merit at TJ with tokenism are going to move the needle in any meaningful way. It makes you feel good and as a bonus you get to toss grenades at the highest performing group, Asian students, whose parents often came this country with nothing.


1) A few more spots at TJ isn't going to address the struggle of African-Americans in this country. You're conflating arguments. My point was that Asra is a clown for comparing her struggles to theirs. That's not a controversial statement.

2) No one is tossing grenades at Asian students who has any decision-making power. Some idiots on here are, to be sure, but no one cares about them. What is happening is simply a long-term, still-in-progress adjustment to a process that demonstrably FAVORED Asian students through an over-emphasis on an outdated mode of evaluation that was compromised by a nine-figure prep complex that created huge advantages for families with disposable time, income, and the willingness to invest their resources to create imbalances in the process.

3) There are a staggering amount of Asian parents on this board who seem to want their children to get bonus points for the fact that they came to America with nothing. You are to be commended for the fact that you came to America and built a life for yourself through what undoubtedly was a huge struggle for you and a huge risk for your family. My father did the exact same thing.

But just as my parents provided a very comfortable life for me through THEIR hard work, your children likely have a lot of advantages that others don't through yours. Their lives will almost certainly be very comfortable as a result, irrespective of whether or not they matriculate to TJ or an Ivy League school or whatever. If I'm evaluating applications, I'm looking at context; what did this child do in the context of their circumstances? And while I think FCPS still has work to do in this area to identify the top students at each middle school (reinstituting teacher recs, conducting interviews, liaising with students services folks, etc), their attempt in this area is admirable.

Your kid is not being punished for your success - they're simply no longer being rewarded for it. And I can understand how that feels like a jab at you, given how many parents in that community seem to view TJ and college admissions acceptances as an accomplishment for the family (read: the parents) rather than for the student - but it's not. Schools aren't admitting parents; they're admitting kids.


You make a good argument and I agree with some of your points but what's missing is any acknowledgment that there always has been and continues to be a lot of discrimination against Asians in the United States. Not a day goes by when my child is not being made fun of or stereotyped for how they look. My child's good friend is Hispanic but white Hispanic with blond hair and when they talk about discrimination the friend shrugs and says they have not experienced any of it because of how they look. Why is my child's experience devalued?


It isn't... it just has nothing to do with getting into an elite school. The ugly historic discrimination that has been suffered by Asian-Americans in this country is something that we should all be ashamed of - but "my kid gets made fun of because of how they look" doesn't equate to "we have no money because my parents can't get a high paying job because people think Black folks are inherently dumber".


Do you actually believe that BS

Corporations and colleges are bending over backwards to hire black folks with any kind of talent. Meanwhile Asians need to punch multiple times above the average to have a shot.


This isn't because of some inherent bias against Asians. It's because of two reasons:

1) Bringing in folks of all backgrounds and experiences makes your product more attractive to people from all backgrounds and experiences, meaning a stronger applicant pool and thus a stronger group eventually selected

2) Bringing in folks of all backgrounds and experiences makes your product more responsive to people from all backgrounds and experiences, meaning a better overall product.

If it were bad for businesses or colleges (which are essentially businesses) to bring in diverse populations, they'd stop doing it in a heartbeat. You're just pissed because it's in their best interests and that means that the supply of exceptional Asian applicants exceeds the demand for them.


Point 1 is complete BS its a weaker applicant pool because the overall talent is diluted because skin color matters more

Point 2 is correct yes businesses are snapping up URM to appeal to all aspects of consumer bases to make more money plain and simpley

And yes colleges recognize this so there is an arms race for URM with any kind of talent because yes college is a business to try and increase endowments.

The orginial point was somehow blacks are at a disadvantage which is complete bs. Asians are. The talent level for URM is several standard deviations below the talent level for asians





Nice try. You’re displaying literally zero awareness of the world beyond your front door. Which is fine - just own up to your ignorance.


Not sure what they're gassing on about anyway. Someone needs to tell them that TJ admissions are race blind because none of that matters.


TJ's admissions were race blind under the old process too.


Kind of but they were clearly skewed to favor wealthier school boundaries where families could afford to buy access to the tests from the prep centers.


How did you buy the tests? How much did the tests cost you?


Everyone at the prep center gets a copy. You'd need to enquire about their current rates.
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Anonymous wrote:Look it's very easy. This all started with the NAACP. Some/Most Democrats bend over backward for this organization, frankly because they are deathly afraid to be called racist.

You might not like Asra's approach but it's what needs to be done. Democrats need to be afraid that they will be called racist if they ever go against asians

That's all the democratic party is a bunch of spineless politicians afraid of special interest groups and kowtowing to increasingly extreme and radical demands to appear woke.

To be fair many republicans do the same thing with the insane MAGA crowd.

It's why unaffiliated is dramatically increasing. Both parties suck.



The problem is that Asra looks like a clown show because she's advocating on behalf of a people who are relatively VERY well off in the Northern Virginia area from her estate in Great Falls. Her message resonates with other rich folks but when she tries to compare their struggle to that of African-Americans in this country, she comes off as incredibly tone deaf to everyone who is NOT in her affinity group.

If you need evidence of how out of touch she is, look at the videos that she posts where she's shrieking like a lunatic. Any normal person would want to distance themselves from that sort of self-incriminating footage as much as possible, but she uses it as leverage to gain the sympathy of other folks who, like her, believe that Black people are inferior and undeserving.


If anything is out of touch, it's the TJ Alumni Action Group types pretending that admitting a few more Black kids to TJ is going to meaningfully address the "struggle of African Americans in this county."

FCPS just released Class of 2022 SAT scores. It's not pretty. Black kids continue to have the lowest scores of any group in the county. The average at Mount Vernon, of the schools with the largest percentage of Black kids, was only 988.

But, sure, keep pretending your efforts to replace merit at TJ with tokenism are going to move the needle in any meaningful way. It makes you feel good and as a bonus you get to toss grenades at the highest performing group, Asian students, whose parents often came this country with nothing.


1) A few more spots at TJ isn't going to address the struggle of African-Americans in this country. You're conflating arguments. My point was that Asra is a clown for comparing her struggles to theirs. That's not a controversial statement.

2) No one is tossing grenades at Asian students who has any decision-making power. Some idiots on here are, to be sure, but no one cares about them. What is happening is simply a long-term, still-in-progress adjustment to a process that demonstrably FAVORED Asian students through an over-emphasis on an outdated mode of evaluation that was compromised by a nine-figure prep complex that created huge advantages for families with disposable time, income, and the willingness to invest their resources to create imbalances in the process.

3) There are a staggering amount of Asian parents on this board who seem to want their children to get bonus points for the fact that they came to America with nothing. You are to be commended for the fact that you came to America and built a life for yourself through what undoubtedly was a huge struggle for you and a huge risk for your family. My father did the exact same thing.

But just as my parents provided a very comfortable life for me through THEIR hard work, your children likely have a lot of advantages that others don't through yours. Their lives will almost certainly be very comfortable as a result, irrespective of whether or not they matriculate to TJ or an Ivy League school or whatever. If I'm evaluating applications, I'm looking at context; what did this child do in the context of their circumstances? And while I think FCPS still has work to do in this area to identify the top students at each middle school (reinstituting teacher recs, conducting interviews, liaising with students services folks, etc), their attempt in this area is admirable.

Your kid is not being punished for your success - they're simply no longer being rewarded for it. And I can understand how that feels like a jab at you, given how many parents in that community seem to view TJ and college admissions acceptances as an accomplishment for the family (read: the parents) rather than for the student - but it's not. Schools aren't admitting parents; they're admitting kids.


You make a good argument and I agree with some of your points but what's missing is any acknowledgment that there always has been and continues to be a lot of discrimination against Asians in the United States. Not a day goes by when my child is not being made fun of or stereotyped for how they look. My child's good friend is Hispanic but white Hispanic with blond hair and when they talk about discrimination the friend shrugs and says they have not experienced any of it because of how they look. Why is my child's experience devalued?


It isn't... it just has nothing to do with getting into an elite school. The ugly historic discrimination that has been suffered by Asian-Americans in this country is something that we should all be ashamed of - but "my kid gets made fun of because of how they look" doesn't equate to "we have no money because my parents can't get a high paying job because people think Black folks are inherently dumber".


Do you actually believe that BS

Corporations and colleges are bending over backwards to hire black folks with any kind of talent. Meanwhile Asians need to punch multiple times above the average to have a shot.


This isn't because of some inherent bias against Asians. It's because of two reasons:

1) Bringing in folks of all backgrounds and experiences makes your product more attractive to people from all backgrounds and experiences, meaning a stronger applicant pool and thus a stronger group eventually selected

2) Bringing in folks of all backgrounds and experiences makes your product more responsive to people from all backgrounds and experiences, meaning a better overall product.

If it were bad for businesses or colleges (which are essentially businesses) to bring in diverse populations, they'd stop doing it in a heartbeat. You're just pissed because it's in their best interests and that means that the supply of exceptional Asian applicants exceeds the demand for them.


Point 1 is complete BS its a weaker applicant pool because the overall talent is diluted because skin color matters more

Point 2 is correct yes businesses are snapping up URM to appeal to all aspects of consumer bases to make more money plain and simpley

And yes colleges recognize this so there is an arms race for URM with any kind of talent because yes college is a business to try and increase endowments.

The orginial point was somehow blacks are at a disadvantage which is complete bs. Asians are. The talent level for URM is several standard deviations below the talent level for asians





Nice try. You’re displaying literally zero awareness of the world beyond your front door. Which is fine - just own up to your ignorance.


Not sure what they're gassing on about anyway. Someone needs to tell them that TJ admissions are race blind because none of that matters.


TJ's admissions were race blind under the old process too.


Kind of but they were clearly skewed to favor wealthier school boundaries where families could afford to buy access to the tests from the prep centers.


How did you buy the tests? How much did the tests cost you?


Everyone at the prep center gets a copy. You'd need to enquire about their current rates.


Is the copy of the TJ test included in the tuition or is the TJ test sold separately?
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Anonymous wrote:Look it's very easy. This all started with the NAACP. Some/Most Democrats bend over backward for this organization, frankly because they are deathly afraid to be called racist.

You might not like Asra's approach but it's what needs to be done. Democrats need to be afraid that they will be called racist if they ever go against asians

That's all the democratic party is a bunch of spineless politicians afraid of special interest groups and kowtowing to increasingly extreme and radical demands to appear woke.

To be fair many republicans do the same thing with the insane MAGA crowd.

It's why unaffiliated is dramatically increasing. Both parties suck.



The problem is that Asra looks like a clown show because she's advocating on behalf of a people who are relatively VERY well off in the Northern Virginia area from her estate in Great Falls. Her message resonates with other rich folks but when she tries to compare their struggle to that of African-Americans in this country, she comes off as incredibly tone deaf to everyone who is NOT in her affinity group.

If you need evidence of how out of touch she is, look at the videos that she posts where she's shrieking like a lunatic. Any normal person would want to distance themselves from that sort of self-incriminating footage as much as possible, but she uses it as leverage to gain the sympathy of other folks who, like her, believe that Black people are inferior and undeserving.


If anything is out of touch, it's the TJ Alumni Action Group types pretending that admitting a few more Black kids to TJ is going to meaningfully address the "struggle of African Americans in this county."

FCPS just released Class of 2022 SAT scores. It's not pretty. Black kids continue to have the lowest scores of any group in the county. The average at Mount Vernon, of the schools with the largest percentage of Black kids, was only 988.

But, sure, keep pretending your efforts to replace merit at TJ with tokenism are going to move the needle in any meaningful way. It makes you feel good and as a bonus you get to toss grenades at the highest performing group, Asian students, whose parents often came this country with nothing.


1) A few more spots at TJ isn't going to address the struggle of African-Americans in this country. You're conflating arguments. My point was that Asra is a clown for comparing her struggles to theirs. That's not a controversial statement.

2) No one is tossing grenades at Asian students who has any decision-making power. Some idiots on here are, to be sure, but no one cares about them. What is happening is simply a long-term, still-in-progress adjustment to a process that demonstrably FAVORED Asian students through an over-emphasis on an outdated mode of evaluation that was compromised by a nine-figure prep complex that created huge advantages for families with disposable time, income, and the willingness to invest their resources to create imbalances in the process.

3) There are a staggering amount of Asian parents on this board who seem to want their children to get bonus points for the fact that they came to America with nothing. You are to be commended for the fact that you came to America and built a life for yourself through what undoubtedly was a huge struggle for you and a huge risk for your family. My father did the exact same thing.

But just as my parents provided a very comfortable life for me through THEIR hard work, your children likely have a lot of advantages that others don't through yours. Their lives will almost certainly be very comfortable as a result, irrespective of whether or not they matriculate to TJ or an Ivy League school or whatever. If I'm evaluating applications, I'm looking at context; what did this child do in the context of their circumstances? And while I think FCPS still has work to do in this area to identify the top students at each middle school (reinstituting teacher recs, conducting interviews, liaising with students services folks, etc), their attempt in this area is admirable.

Your kid is not being punished for your success - they're simply no longer being rewarded for it. And I can understand how that feels like a jab at you, given how many parents in that community seem to view TJ and college admissions acceptances as an accomplishment for the family (read: the parents) rather than for the student - but it's not. Schools aren't admitting parents; they're admitting kids.


You make a good argument and I agree with some of your points but what's missing is any acknowledgment that there always has been and continues to be a lot of discrimination against Asians in the United States. Not a day goes by when my child is not being made fun of or stereotyped for how they look. My child's good friend is Hispanic but white Hispanic with blond hair and when they talk about discrimination the friend shrugs and says they have not experienced any of it because of how they look. Why is my child's experience devalued?


It isn't... it just has nothing to do with getting into an elite school. The ugly historic discrimination that has been suffered by Asian-Americans in this country is something that we should all be ashamed of - but "my kid gets made fun of because of how they look" doesn't equate to "we have no money because my parents can't get a high paying job because people think Black folks are inherently dumber".


Do you actually believe that BS

Corporations and colleges are bending over backwards to hire black folks with any kind of talent. Meanwhile Asians need to punch multiple times above the average to have a shot.


This isn't because of some inherent bias against Asians. It's because of two reasons:

1) Bringing in folks of all backgrounds and experiences makes your product more attractive to people from all backgrounds and experiences, meaning a stronger applicant pool and thus a stronger group eventually selected

2) Bringing in folks of all backgrounds and experiences makes your product more responsive to people from all backgrounds and experiences, meaning a better overall product.

If it were bad for businesses or colleges (which are essentially businesses) to bring in diverse populations, they'd stop doing it in a heartbeat. You're just pissed because it's in their best interests and that means that the supply of exceptional Asian applicants exceeds the demand for them.


Point 1 is complete BS its a weaker applicant pool because the overall talent is diluted because skin color matters more

Point 2 is correct yes businesses are snapping up URM to appeal to all aspects of consumer bases to make more money plain and simpley

And yes colleges recognize this so there is an arms race for URM with any kind of talent because yes college is a business to try and increase endowments.

The orginial point was somehow blacks are at a disadvantage which is complete bs. Asians are. The talent level for URM is several standard deviations below the talent level for asians





Nice try. You’re displaying literally zero awareness of the world beyond your front door. Which is fine - just own up to your ignorance.


Not sure what they're gassing on about anyway. Someone needs to tell them that TJ admissions are race blind because none of that matters.


TJ's admissions were race blind under the old process too.


Kind of but they were clearly skewed to favor wealthier school boundaries where families could afford to buy access to the tests from the prep centers.


How did you buy the tests? How much did the tests cost you?


Everyone at the prep center gets a copy. You'd need to enquire about their current rates.


Is the copy of the TJ test included in the tuition or is the TJ test sold separately?


I'm guessing it's all-inclusive. Many kids reported having seen the questions beforehand. Most believe they got them from debriefing students after the test over several years to compile a better question bank, but regardless it's hard to argue with their success.
Anonymous
no one bought TJ tests. Its as stupid as saying the election was stolen.

Yes these kids prepped like mad and half of them burnt out in TJ - but the notion that u could just buy teats at these prepping places is stupid.
Anonymous
Was the exact test sold? No

Were prior year Quant Q tests available at some prep centers? Of course.

The issue is that the Quant Q was supposed to be a secured exam. Parents and students signed a statement that they would not discuss the test at anytime. There were students who did not honor this pledge and debriefed the prep companies on the questions.

Frankly, I blame the incompetent staff at the TJ Admissions office. They should have known that this would happen. There are many types of tests that they could have cycled through. In their incompetence, they reinforced an arms race where if a child wanted to attend TJ, attending a prep center is a pre-req.



Anonymous
TJ needs to be wound down. Return it to use as a community school.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:no one bought TJ tests. Its as stupid as saying the election was stolen.

Yes these kids prepped like mad and half of them burnt out in TJ - but the notion that u could just buy teats at these prepping places is stupid.


This kids were taking math enrichment that was combined with prep for admissions process to TJ and AOS. They went over some possible questions, and if the testing company wasn't refreshing with new questions, then the kids would we able to handle the test pretty easily.
Vast majority of Curie kids do not get into TJ.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:no one bought TJ tests. Its as stupid as saying the election was stolen.

Yes these kids prepped like mad and half of them burnt out in TJ - but the notion that u could just buy teats at these prepping places is stupid.


They paid to attend a center where they saw questions that were later on the test so it's clear they did.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:no one bought TJ tests. Its as stupid as saying the election was stolen.

Yes these kids prepped like mad and half of them burnt out in TJ - but the notion that u could just buy teats at these prepping places is stupid.


This kids were taking math enrichment that was combined with prep for admissions process to TJ and AOS. They went over some possible questions, and if the testing company wasn't refreshing with new questions, then the kids would we able to handle the test pretty easily.
Vast majority of Curie kids do not get into TJ.


Last I knew, 30%+ of the kids who got in went to Curie. Would be curious what percentage gets in; for example, if they attend Curie for multiple classes over a period of years, do their odds go up dramatically? Just asking for a friend...
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:no one bought TJ tests. Its as stupid as saying the election was stolen.

Yes these kids prepped like mad and half of them burnt out in TJ - but the notion that u could just buy teats at these prepping places is stupid.


This kids were taking math enrichment that was combined with prep for admissions process to TJ and AOS. They went over some possible questions, and if the testing company wasn't refreshing with new questions, then the kids would we able to handle the test pretty easily.
Vast majority of Curie kids do not get into TJ.


Last I knew, 30%+ of the kids who got in went to Curie. Would be curious what percentage gets in; for example, if they attend Curie for multiple classes over a period of years, do their odds go up dramatically? Just asking for a friend...


But you know that’s history right? That was under the old system no longer in place so what does it matter now?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Was the exact test sold? No

Were prior year Quant Q tests available at some prep centers? Of course.

The issue is that the Quant Q was supposed to be a secured exam. Parents and students signed a statement that they would not discuss the test at anytime. There were students who did not honor this pledge and debriefed the prep companies on the questions.

Frankly, I blame the incompetent staff at the TJ Admissions office. They should have known that this would happen. There are many types of tests that they could have cycled through. In their incompetence, they reinforced an arms race where if a child wanted to attend TJ, attending a prep center is a pre-req.


So now we’re blaming the admissions office for people cheating? That’s like a little boy telling his mom that it’s her fault he took a cookie when he wasn’t supposed to because she had a cookie jar out on the counter.

Come on! Aren’t we supposed to be teaching our kids to be honest and never cheat even when no one is looking? It’s crazy to blame someone else for people cheating.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:no one bought TJ tests. Its as stupid as saying the election was stolen.

Yes these kids prepped like mad and half of them burnt out in TJ - but the notion that u could just buy teats at these prepping places is stupid.


They paid to attend a center where they saw questions that were later on the test so it's clear they did.



#fakenews
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:no one bought TJ tests. Its as stupid as saying the election was stolen.

Yes these kids prepped like mad and half of them burnt out in TJ - but the notion that u could just buy teats at these prepping places is stupid.


This kids were taking math enrichment that was combined with prep for admissions process to TJ and AOS. They went over some possible questions, and if the testing company wasn't refreshing with new questions, then the kids would we able to handle the test pretty easily.
Vast majority of Curie kids do not get into TJ.


Last I knew, 30%+ of the kids who got in went to Curie. Would be curious what percentage gets in; for example, if they attend Curie for multiple classes over a period of years, do their odds go up dramatically? Just asking for a friend...


But you know that’s history right? That was under the old system no longer in place so what does it matter now?


Doesn't the same prep center now coach kids on how to write their student profile and essays to maximize their chances?
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