Did you circumcise?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People who think the way males are born is wrong have serious issues.

I understand how cut men would be defensive about this, but women who are staunchly pro-circ are the strangest people ever.

Yes, I don’t understand a woman defending circumcision so aggressively. Weird.

Maybe defensiveness about their hygiene practices?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have a boy but may in the future. This would be a hard question for me.

For those who are anti, is it not a legitimate reason that you don’t want your son to be made fun of by girls/women when he is a teen or young adult? That would be my primary consideration. The PP who wrote in honest visceral detail about her experience with an intact boy in college and then laughing about him with her friends hit home to me. Should we not consider that?

I see what you’re saying, but explain how that is different than a boy having an honest visceral reaction to a woman with very small boobs or a giant nose. We would be horrified at the idea of surgically changing our daughter’s bodies to cater to the male gaze (obviously a nose job and breast augmentation are much more invasive, but it’s just a matter of degree).

If my son later wants to get circumcised, he is free to do so.

In theory, there really isn't a difference, but the reality is that a sizeable percentage of American girls/women in certain parts of the country are viscerally disgusted by foreskin. I know a lot of women that don't care, but I also know a lot of women for whom it's a dealbreaker. It's not a dealbreaker for all women, or even most women, but if you get twenty random American college girls in a room, there will be a handful that it would be a dealbreaker for, and the vast majority of the rest would still either be weirded out or at least a little taken aback by it. A friend of mine in college was uncircuncised and he told me that he received enough negative reactions that he's started warning girls he's going to hook up with in advance. And this wasn't like decades ago or anything, this was in 2019.

Small boobs or big noses just don't evoke the same response. Teenage boys don't trade horror stories about the first time they saw a girl with small boobs. You know what teenage girls do trade horror stories about? Seeing their first uncircuncised penis.

You don't have to tell me shitty and hypocritical this is, I know, and I wish our culture wasn't like this, but it is.

It just weeds out the shallow women with bad personal hygiene. That’s a feature not a bug.

Yes, none of the women I knew in my 20s were turned off by foreskin. I’m not worried about my son. Younger generations have fewer body hang ups.

As a woman currently in her 20's, speak for your self. I would never suck an unclipped penis and most of my friends agree.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ever watch this surgery? The baby is screaming to high heavens. Why???

My children were given a local anesthetic in the hospital. No screaming and they were completely fine after the procedure. Just because you watched some online video that was put up there with a very specific agenda doesn't make true.

Same experience. I do think there are valid arguments for not circumcising and if it was not of cultural importance to DH I wouldn’t have but these arguments are getting drowned out by hysterical comments and insinuations that only “dirty” families and kids get them on this thread.

I’m a vegetarian and it reminds me of the peta crazies that make us all look bad.

Yeah I’ve never heard the “you only did it because you are dirty and don’t shower” argument before. Dcum never disappoints when it comes to hot takes!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think OP is a troll trying to stir up the same tired arguments once a month or so.
Anyway it seems that yes, circumcision has become a unique American cultural 'thing' because hygiene standards are so low and many women actively endorse this standard.
I think that about sums every one of these topics up?

Pretty much. Circumcision is favored to make up for bad hygiene practices in families.

It is disfavored in cultures and families where hygiene is more valued and better practiced. For instance, in Japan routine circumcision is not done, but the Japanese have high cultural standards for personal hygiene.

To the bolded - what the heck are you even talking about? More people complain about poor hygiene and BO in the European culture more than we do in the US. Are you trying to come up with some support for your argument? Cuz this won't do it.

We circumcised my son, and we'd do it again.

I think PP thinks if they repeat it enough people will start to believe it. I dated one guy for a few years who was uncut and, sorry, it just smelled bad all the time. We had a few conversations about hygiene. Never had that problem with the circumcised guys. In my experience the hygiene problem belonged to the intact guy so I don't care how many time PP repeats the lie, it doesn't ring true to me. My friend who is a wound care specialist in a hospital can also tell you what happens in the worst case scenario with elderly men who can't keep up on hygiene either in their advanced years. It's not pretty.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think OP is a troll trying to stir up the same tired arguments once a month or so.
Anyway it seems that yes, circumcision has become a unique American cultural 'thing' because hygiene standards are so low and many women actively endorse this standard.
I think that about sums every one of these topics up?

Pretty much. Circumcision is favored to make up for bad hygiene practices in families.

It is disfavored in cultures and families where hygiene is more valued and better practiced. For instance, in Japan routine circumcision is not done, but the Japanese have high cultural standards for personal hygiene.

To the bolded - what the heck are you even talking about? More people complain about poor hygiene and BO in the European culture more than we do in the US. Are you trying to come up with some support for your argument? Cuz this won't do it.

We circumcised my son, and we'd do it again.

I think PP thinks if they repeat it enough people will start to believe it. I dated one guy for a few years who was uncut and, sorry, it just smelled bad all the time. We had a few conversations about hygiene. Never had that problem with the circumcised guys. In my experience the hygiene problem belonged to the intact guy so I don't care how many time PP repeats the lie, it doesn't ring true to me. My friend who is a wound care specialist in a hospital can also tell you what happens in the worst case scenario with elderly men who can't keep up on hygiene either in their advanced years. It's not pretty.

Shrug, tell yourself whatever you want. The global numbers on circumcision tell the truth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ever watch this surgery? The baby is screaming to high heavens. Why???

My children were given a local anesthetic in the hospital. No screaming and they were completely fine after the procedure. Just because you watched some online video that was put up there with a very specific agenda doesn't make true.

Same experience. I do think there are valid arguments for not circumcising and if it was not of cultural importance to DH I wouldn’t have but these arguments are getting drowned out by hysterical comments and insinuations that only “dirty” families and kids get them on this thread.

I’m a vegetarian and it reminds me of the peta crazies that make us all look bad.

Yeah I’ve never heard the “you only did it because you are dirty and don’t shower” argument before. Dcum never disappoints when it comes to hot takes!

There was a specific poster who literally said her brother didn't wash properly, and that was her reason for her son's circumcision. She acted like that was inevitable for all boys, and that's what pushed this thread down the rabbit hole.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t have a boy but may in the future. This would be a hard question for me.

For those who are anti, is it not a legitimate reason that you don’t want your son to be made fun of by girls/women when he is a teen or young adult? That would be my primary consideration. The PP who wrote in honest visceral detail about her experience with an intact boy in college and then laughing about him with her friends hit home to me. Should we not consider that?

You are welcome to consider it.

I’m not an intactivist so don’t care what others do. I didn’t circ my son because my husband is from a part of the world where it’s not done. I also dated other uncircumcised guys abroad, so it’s just not abnormal to me. When I hear someone like PP who said they were grossed out by it, I see immaturity. Her choice, obviously, but not what I’d want for my kid anyway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ever watch this surgery? The baby is screaming to high heavens. Why???

My children were given a local anesthetic in the hospital. No screaming and they were completely fine after the procedure. Just because you watched some online video that was put up there with a very specific agenda doesn't make true.

Same experience. I do think there are valid arguments for not circumcising and if it was not of cultural importance to DH I wouldn’t have but these arguments are getting drowned out by hysterical comments and insinuations that only “dirty” families and kids get them on this thread.

I’m a vegetarian and it reminds me of the peta crazies that make us all look bad.

Yeah I’ve never heard the “you only did it because you are dirty and don’t shower” argument before. Dcum never disappoints when it comes to hot takes!

There was a specific poster who literally said her brother didn't wash properly, and that was her reason for her son's circumcision. She acted like that was inevitable for all boys, and that's what pushed this thread down the rabbit hole.

NP. No, it was the person who thought they came up with some clever “gotcha” about only unhygienic families circumcising, and then repeated it again, and again, and again, and again, and again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ever watch this surgery? The baby is screaming to high heavens. Why???

My children were given a local anesthetic in the hospital. No screaming and they were completely fine after the procedure. Just because you watched some online video that was put up there with a very specific agenda doesn't make true.

Same experience. I do think there are valid arguments for not circumcising and if it was not of cultural importance to DH I wouldn’t have but these arguments are getting drowned out by hysterical comments and insinuations that only “dirty” families and kids get them on this thread.

I’m a vegetarian and it reminds me of the peta crazies that make us all look bad.

Yeah I’ve never heard the “you only did it because you are dirty and don’t shower” argument before. Dcum never disappoints when it comes to hot takes!

There was a specific poster who literally said her brother didn't wash properly, and that was her reason for her son's circumcision. She acted like that was inevitable for all boys, and that's what pushed this thread down the rabbit hole.

NP. No, it was the person who thought they came up with some clever “gotcha” about only unhygienic families circumcising, and then repeated it again, and again, and again, and again, and again.

Sure, but it didn't come out of thin air. The reason why pp hasn't heard it before is because it was in response to a specific post at first.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think OP is a troll trying to stir up the same tired arguments once a month or so.
Anyway it seems that yes, circumcision has become a unique American cultural 'thing' because hygiene standards are so low and many women actively endorse this standard.
I think that about sums every one of these topics up?

Pretty much. Circumcision is favored to make up for bad hygiene practices in families.

It is disfavored in cultures and families where hygiene is more valued and better practiced. For instance, in Japan routine circumcision is not done, but the Japanese have high cultural standards for personal hygiene.

To the bolded - what the heck are you even talking about? More people complain about poor hygiene and BO in the European culture more than we do in the US. Are you trying to come up with some support for your argument? Cuz this won't do it.

We circumcised my son, and we'd do it again.

I think PP thinks if they repeat it enough people will start to believe it. I dated one guy for a few years who was uncut and, sorry, it just smelled bad all the time. We had a few conversations about hygiene. Never had that problem with the circumcised guys. In my experience the hygiene problem belonged to the intact guy so I don't care how many time PP repeats the lie, it doesn't ring true to me. My friend who is a wound care specialist in a hospital can also tell you what happens in the worst case scenario with elderly men who can't keep up on hygiene either in their advanced years. It's not pretty.

Shrug, tell yourself whatever you want. The global numbers on circumcision tell the truth.

Cool. Free to be you and me, right?

[Anonymous]

I won’t be. There is a big community of men who wish they weren’t circumcised and spend a lot of time and effort dedicated to foreskin restoration. He can choose to get circumcised when he’s older if he wants. Can’t put it back. Seems like common sense to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I won’t be. There is a big community of men who wish they weren’t circumcised and spend a lot of time and effort dedicated to foreskin restoration. He can choose to get circumcised when he’s older if he wants. Can’t put it back. Seems like common sense to me.

If you compare the number of men who are glad they're circumcised and happy that it happened when they were babies so they don't remember it, and the number of men that want their foreskin back, you'll find that one is the vast, vast majority of circumcised men, and the other is a tiny vocal minority.

[Anonymous]

Some of the comments here remind me of this (skip to 1:04 in):

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I won’t be. There is a big community of men who wish they weren’t circumcised and spend a lot of time and effort dedicated to foreskin restoration. He can choose to get circumcised when he’s older if he wants. Can’t put it back. Seems like common sense to me.

Says who clown?

[Anonymous]

My husband wanted it done, but in hindsight I wish I'd pushed back a bit more. Everything is fine now but it was stressful at the time. If I had another boy I don't think I would.