Did you circumcise?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have a boy but may in the future. This would be a hard question for me.

For those who are anti, is it not a legitimate reason that you don’t want your son to be made fun of by girls/women when he is a teen or young adult? That would be my primary consideration. The PP who wrote in honest visceral detail about her experience with an intact boy in college and then laughing about him with her friends hit home to me. Should we not consider that?

I see what you’re saying, but explain how that is different than a boy having an honest visceral reaction to a woman with very small boobs or a giant nose. We would be horrified at the idea of surgically changing our daughter’s bodies to cater to the male gaze (obviously a nose job and breast augmentation are much more invasive, but it’s just a matter of degree).

If my son later wants to get circumcised, he is free to do so.

In theory, there really isn't a difference, but the reality is that a sizeable percentage of American girls/women in certain parts of the country are viscerally disgusted by foreskin. I know a lot of women that don't care, but I also know a lot of women for whom it's a dealbreaker. It's not a dealbreaker for all women, or even most women, but if you get twenty random American college girls in a room, there will be a handful that it would be a dealbreaker for, and the vast majority of the rest would still either be weirded out or at least a little taken aback by it. A friend of mine in college was uncircuncised and he told me that he received enough negative reactions that he's started warning girls he's going to hook up with in advance. And this wasn't like decades ago or anything, this was in 2019.

Small boobs or big noses just don't evoke the same response. Teenage boys don't trade horror stories about the first time they saw a girl with small boobs. You know what teenage girls do trade horror stories about? Seeing their first uncircuncised penis.

You don't have to tell me shitty and hypocritical this is, I know, and I wish our culture wasn't like this, but it is.

It just weeds out the shallow women with bad personal hygiene. That’s a feature not a bug.

Yes, none of the women I knew in my 20s were turned off by foreskin. I’m not worried about my son. Younger generations have fewer body hang ups.

As a woman currently in her 20's, speak for your self. I would never suck an unclipped penis and most of my friends agree.

Wow so ignorant. I am sure you would be the first to complain if a man said he would not date a fat girl.

My children are uncut. My husband is not American. A large part of the world does not circumcise boys. How provincial of you.

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I wonder how many of the cutters realize that women also have a prepuce.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have a boy but may in the future. This would be a hard question for me.

For those who are anti, is it not a legitimate reason that you don’t want your son to be made fun of by girls/women when he is a teen or young adult? That would be my primary consideration. The PP who wrote in honest visceral detail about her experience with an intact boy in college and then laughing about him with her friends hit home to me. Should we not consider that?

I see what you’re saying, but explain how that is different than a boy having an honest visceral reaction to a woman with very small boobs or a giant nose. We would be horrified at the idea of surgically changing our daughter’s bodies to cater to the male gaze (obviously a nose job and breast augmentation are much more invasive, but it’s just a matter of degree).

If my son later wants to get circumcised, he is free to do so.

In theory, there really isn't a difference, but the reality is that a sizeable percentage of American girls/women in certain parts of the country are viscerally disgusted by foreskin. I know a lot of women that don't care, but I also know a lot of women for whom it's a dealbreaker. It's not a dealbreaker for all women, or even most women, but if you get twenty random American college girls in a room, there will be a handful that it would be a dealbreaker for, and the vast majority of the rest would still either be weirded out or at least a little taken aback by it. A friend of mine in college was uncircuncised and he told me that he received enough negative reactions that he's started warning girls he's going to hook up with in advance. And this wasn't like decades ago or anything, this was in 2019.

Small boobs or big noses just don't evoke the same response. Teenage boys don't trade horror stories about the first time they saw a girl with small boobs. You know what teenage girls do trade horror stories about? Seeing their first uncircuncised penis.

You don't have to tell me shitty and hypocritical this is, I know, and I wish our culture wasn't like this, but it is.

It just weeds out the shallow women with bad personal hygiene. That’s a feature not a bug.

Yes, none of the women I knew in my 20s were turned off by foreskin. I’m not worried about my son. Younger generations have fewer body hang ups.

As a woman currently in her 20's, speak for your self. I would never suck an unclipped penis and most of my friends agree.

Wow so ignorant. I am sure you would be the first to complain if a man said he would not date a fat girl.

My children are uncut. My husband is not American. A large part of the world does not circumcise boys. How provincial of you.

+1.

We are American and our adult sons are uncut. They have both told me that they are glad we didn’t circ them.

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Anonymous wrote:Ever watch this surgery? The baby is screaming to high heavens. Why???

My children were given a local anesthetic in the hospital. No screaming and they were completely fine after the procedure. Just because you watched some online video that was put up there with a very specific agenda doesn't make true.

Same experience. I do think there are valid arguments for not circumcising and if it was not of cultural importance to DH I wouldn’t have but these arguments are getting drowned out by hysterical comments and insinuations that only “dirty” families and kids get them on this thread.

I’m a vegetarian and it reminds me of the peta crazies that make us all look bad.

Yeah I’ve never heard the “you only did it because you are dirty and don’t shower” argument before. Dcum never disappoints when it comes to hot takes!

There was a specific poster who literally said her brother didn't wash properly, and that was her reason for her son's circumcision. She acted like that was inevitable for all boys, and that's what pushed this thread down the rabbit hole.

NP. No, it was the person who thought they came up with some clever “gotcha” about only unhygienic families circumcising, and then repeated it again, and again, and again, and again, and again.

I am one of the PPs who posted about poor US hygiene practices and being pro-circumcision and I am one of multiple posters FWIW.

I mean a pro-circumcision poster literally posted that she circumcised because she didn’t think boys were clean, based on her experience with her brother, so clearly there is some basis for this.

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Anonymous wrote:Ever watch this surgery? The baby is screaming to high heavens. Why???

My children were given a local anesthetic in the hospital. No screaming and they were completely fine after the procedure. Just because you watched some online video that was put up there with a very specific agenda doesn't make true.

It was a Bris, Einstein. The women covered their faces in horror and ran away because they couldn’t endure the baby’s screaming. I’m still traumatized, and it didn’t even happen to me!

If you have a problem with Jewish rituals, then you probably shouldn't ever attend them. And the irony of mentioning Einstein, a Jewish man who was very very likely circumcised.

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Anonymous wrote:I was born and grew up in a country where boys are not circumcised so I dated many men and saw lots of penises. So because of that, I felt very strongly to circumcise my son for esthetic reasons. He is 7 and I am very glad I did it.

I’m not getting the connection between you growing up in a non-circumcising country and deciding to sleep around as an adult?

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Anonymous wrote:I won’t be. There is a big community of men who wish they weren’t circumcised and spend a lot of time and effort dedicated to foreskin restoration. He can choose to get circumcised when he’s older if he wants. Can’t put it back. Seems like common sense to me.

If you compare the number of men who are glad they're circumcised and happy that it happened when they were babies so they don't remember it, and the number of men that want their foreskin back, you'll find that one is the vast, vast majority of circumcised men, and the other is a tiny vocal minority.

You are absolutely correct. But I’m also pretty certain that once the circ’d ones understand there’s more pleasure with a foreskin, pretty sure they’d think differently.

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Anonymous wrote:Ever watch this surgery? The baby is screaming to high heavens. Why???

My children were given a local anesthetic in the hospital. No screaming and they were completely fine after the procedure. Just because you watched some online video that was put up there with a very specific agenda doesn't make true.

It was a Bris, Einstein. The women covered their faces in horror and ran away because they couldn’t endure the baby’s screaming. I’m still traumatized, and it didn’t even happen to me!

If you have a problem with Jewish rituals, then you probably shouldn't ever attend them. And the irony of mentioning Einstein, a Jewish man who was very very likely circumcised.

The Jewish ladies were the ones who covered their faces in horror and ran away (to another part of the home) because they couldn’t endure the baby’s screaming. Were they having a problem with Jewish rituals, and therefore shouldn’t ever attend any more?

In any case, that’s exactly what circumcision is - a religious / ethnic ritual. If there was any sort of cancer risk, we would have actual data to prove it.

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Anonymous wrote:I won’t be. There is a big community of men who wish they weren’t circumcised and spend a lot of time and effort dedicated to foreskin restoration. He can choose to get circumcised when he’s older if he wants. Can’t put it back. Seems like common sense to me.

If you compare the number of men who are glad they're circumcised and happy that it happened when they were babies so they don't remember it, and the number of men that want their foreskin back, you'll find that one is the vast, vast majority of circumcised men, and the other is a tiny vocal minority.

You are absolutely correct. But I’m also pretty certain that once the circ’d ones understand there’s more pleasure with a foreskin, pretty sure they’d think differently.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have a boy but may in the future. This would be a hard question for me.

For those who are anti, is it not a legitimate reason that you don’t want your son to be made fun of by girls/women when he is a teen or young adult? That would be my primary consideration. The PP who wrote in honest visceral detail about her experience with an intact boy in college and then laughing about him with her friends hit home to me. Should we not consider that?

I see what you’re saying, but explain how that is different than a boy having an honest visceral reaction to a woman with very small boobs or a giant nose. We would be horrified at the idea of surgically changing our daughter’s bodies to cater to the male gaze (obviously a nose job and breast augmentation are much more invasive, but it’s just a matter of degree).

If my son later wants to get circumcised, he is free to do so.

In theory, there really isn't a difference, but the reality is that a sizeable percentage of American girls/women in certain parts of the country are viscerally disgusted by foreskin. I know a lot of women that don't care, but I also know a lot of women for whom it's a dealbreaker. It's not a dealbreaker for all women, or even most women, but if you get twenty random American college girls in a room, there will be a handful that it would be a dealbreaker for, and the vast majority of the rest would still either be weirded out or at least a little taken aback by it. A friend of mine in college was uncircuncised and he told me that he received enough negative reactions that he's started warning girls he's going to hook up with in advance. And this wasn't like decades ago or anything, this was in 2019.

Small boobs or big noses just don't evoke the same response. Teenage boys don't trade horror stories about the first time they saw a girl with small boobs. You know what teenage girls do trade horror stories about? Seeing their first uncircuncised penis.

You don't have to tell me shitty and hypocritical this is, I know, and I wish our culture wasn't like this, but it is.

It just weeds out the shallow women with bad personal hygiene. That’s a feature not a bug.

Yes, none of the women I knew in my 20s were turned off by foreskin. I’m not worried about my son. Younger generations have fewer body hang ups.

As a woman currently in her 20's, speak for your self. I would never suck an unclipped penis and most of my friends agree.

A woman in her 20s on a mommy website. Ok…

How many European guys have you had sex with yet, grasshopper?

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Anonymous wrote:I think OP is a troll trying to stir up the same tired arguments once a month or so.
Anyway it seems that yes, circumcision has become a unique American cultural 'thing' because hygiene standards are so low and many women actively endorse this standard.
I think that about sums every one of these topics up?

Pretty much. Circumcision is favored to make up for bad hygiene practices in families.

It is disfavored in cultures and families where hygiene is more valued and better practiced. For instance, in Japan routine circumcision is not done, but the Japanese have high cultural standards for personal hygiene.

To the bolded - what the heck are you even talking about? More people complain about poor hygiene and BO in the European culture more than we do in the US. Are you trying to come up with some support for your argument? Cuz this won't do it.

We circumcised my son, and we'd do it again.

I think PP thinks if they repeat it enough people will start to believe it. I dated one guy for a few years who was uncut and, sorry, it just smelled bad all the time. We had a few conversations about hygiene. Never had that problem with the circumcised guys. In my experience the hygiene problem belonged to the intact guy so I don't care how many time PP repeats the lie, it doesn't ring true to me. My friend who is a wound care specialist in a hospital can also tell you what happens in the worst case scenario with elderly men who can't keep up on hygiene either in their advanced years. It's not pretty.

Probably as crusty as old lady labia.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ever watch this surgery? The baby is screaming to high heavens. Why???

My children were given a local anesthetic in the hospital. No screaming and they were completely fine after the procedure. Just because you watched some online video that was put up there with a very specific agenda doesn't make true.

Same experience. I do think there are valid arguments for not circumcising and if it was not of cultural importance to DH I wouldn’t have but these arguments are getting drowned out by hysterical comments and insinuations that only “dirty” families and kids get them on this thread.

I’m a vegetarian and it reminds me of the peta crazies that make us all look bad.

Yeah I’ve never heard the “you only did it because you are dirty and don’t shower” argument before. Dcum never disappoints when it comes to hot takes!

DP. That was literally what a PP said earlier about why she circumcised her kids.

[Anonymous]

My son is circumcised. I had a family member get circumcised for medical reasons as a teenager and a friend had to get her elementary aged son circ’d. It’s apparently very traumatic and the recovery is much rougher outside of the first few months (maybe even weeks?) of life. Also, I have some bladder issues and spoke with my urologist who said cleanliness/infections are an issue with some elderly uncut men.

I can understand how other parents come to a different choice, but I think saying “they can just decide when they’re older” is disingenuous because the procedure is dapples to oranges as an infant vs. older child/adult.

By deciding not to circumcise during the infant period, you *are* making a medical decision for your child. It’s fine to come to that conclusion, but I think the snottiness some moms have about deciding to leave their child intact is quite odd.

But I also think the women circumcising their sons based on their own sexual preferences/experiences is creepy. Hopefully they don’t admit this out loud to anyone in real life! The flip side of the coin are the moms raving about uncut penises. It’s just so weird. I have a friend who is very vocally anti-circumcision who loves to tell anyone and everyone how her husband isn’t circ’d and has no cleanliness issues and his penis is very sensitive. Ummm thanks but no thanks for that knowledge!

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Anonymous wrote:My son is circumcised. I had a family member get circumcised for medical reasons as a teenager and a friend had to get her elementary aged son circ’d. It’s apparently very traumatic and the recovery is much rougher outside of the first few months (maybe even weeks?) of life. Also, I have some bladder issues and spoke with my urologist who said cleanliness/infections are an issue with some elderly uncut men.

I can understand how other parents come to a different choice, but I think saying “they can just decide when they’re older” is disingenuous because the procedure is dapples to oranges as an infant vs. older child/adult.

By deciding not to circumcise during the infant period, you *are* making a medical decision for your child. It’s fine to come to that conclusion, but I think the snottiness some moms have about deciding to leave their child intact is quite odd.

But I also think the women circumcising their sons based on their own sexual preferences/experiences is creepy. Hopefully they don’t admit this out loud to anyone in real life! The flip side of the coin are the moms raving about uncut penises. It’s just so weird. I have a friend who is very vocally anti-circumcision who loves to tell anyone and everyone how her husband isn’t circ’d and has no cleanliness issues and his penis is very sensitive. Ummm thanks but no thanks for that knowledge!

Seems like she needs to share that since you don’t understand it.

Intact is better for men, period. You can rationalize your decision however you want but it wasn’t for the benefit of your son.

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Anonymous wrote:My son is circumcised. I had a family member get circumcised for medical reasons as a teenager and a friend had to get her elementary aged son circ’d. It’s apparently very traumatic and the recovery is much rougher outside of the first few months (maybe even weeks?) of life. Also, I have some bladder issues and spoke with my urologist who said cleanliness/infections are an issue with some elderly uncut men.

I can understand how other parents come to a different choice, but I think saying “they can just decide when they’re older” is disingenuous because the procedure is dapples to oranges as an infant vs. older child/adult.

By deciding not to circumcise during the infant period, you *are* making a medical decision for your child. It’s fine to come to that conclusion, but I think the snottiness some moms have about deciding to leave their child intact is quite odd.

But I also think the women circumcising their sons based on their own sexual preferences/experiences is creepy. Hopefully they don’t admit this out loud to anyone in real life! The flip side of the coin are the moms raving about uncut penises. It’s just so weird. I have a friend who is very vocally anti-circumcision who loves to tell anyone and everyone how her husband isn’t circ’d and has no cleanliness issues and his penis is very sensitive. Ummm thanks but no thanks for that knowledge!

Ha! You could be me down to the weird friend who talks about it often and with way tmi. My sons were circumcised but I get that norms differ based on culture, religion etc. I’m glad you brought up the complications with older child and adult circumcision; it’s an entirely different and more complicated procedure at that point with a much longer healing time. Also agree that, wether you choose to or not, it’s odd to base the decision on your own sexual preferences.