The Laptop

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Anonymous wrote:Those of you on the Right that are commenting on the laptop story, what is it that you ultimately want to come from the story? Do you want to see HB investigated? He already is. Do you want to see him go to jail? Are you hoping that Joe will be implicated and will be forced to resign? What is it that you are hoping for?

Oh, and since I'm asking, do you feel that Ivanka and Jared should also be investigated? If not, why not?


Sure, investigate them all.
I want other people to acknowledge and accept (and talk about) the fact that major US multimedia companies (Twitter and Facebook, etc.) summarily dismissed a story (and banned a paper - the Post, but still) that has been since proven true. Just the fact that it is Hunter’s laptop was not allowed to be discussed and that should be a huge deal.
I want people to make sure that we don’t allow the media to suppress or misrepresent facts and eschew accountability. I want people to think of the implications of this beyond Repubs.
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I want a pony. And Machine wants collegilal compromise.

In the real world, the alt-right have overtaken so much of the Republican party and media that nonsense cannot be allowed. Twitter and Facebook wised up. Eventually.


In the real world, aka not your imaginary world of "alt-right" taking over the Republican party, the laptop and how it was handled is extremely damaging. People have no faith or confidence in the media and big tech. And now it looks clear key government officials also deliberately lied to pretend the laptop was "Russian collusion," people increasingly also have no faith or confidence in the leadership of the government. Twitter banned any discussion of the laptop for, what, two weeks, as misinformation. Be very honest with yourself: had this laptop been Donald Trump Junior's, would twitter have done the same? You and I both know the answer is no.

You'd have to be blind to not see how bad this appears to the rank and file public. But I also know it's pointless pointing this out to certain posters on DCUM


Exactly, We have 51 former intelligence officials writing a public letter claiming this was Russian disinformation. Without a shred of evidence for that claim.
Great intelligence there, geniuses.

And, people wonder why we don't trust the US intelligence agencies.


I just wonder if there was any coordination between the Biden campaign, the tech companies, the media and any of these so-called intelligence officials to ensure this story was buried.



You have no idea what classified reports they have access to and additionally the laptop was in the hands of unknown people so there wasn’t a clean chain of custody. They could plant anything on it. But please feel free to keep dreaming of wild conspiracies.


They were FORMER intelligence officers. The idea that they had access to any kind of classified reports is a bunch of crap. And, let's just say they DID have access to classified reports. That makes the entire intelligence community pretty weak since we now know the laptop and its contents are authentic.

And, you may not know that the original laptop was given to the FBI. A copy was made prior to handing it over. And, the emails and texts that have been published have been authenticated by people on the emails chains. And, don't you find it interesting that Hunter has not said that any of the photos or videos of him are not authentic?

This whole story just further erodes trust in media, our IC, and the biased tech groups.




What’s on it? You seem to know everything…


Better to ask the NY Times, that non-biased, integrity-based source of information.


The NYT Editorial board is a shell for Fox News. It is highly biases and not fact checked. The laptops are fake and all content is fake. You need to have proof and proof is not right media because they lie about everything.
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Anonymous wrote:"Emails confirmed" - which ones, specifically? The laptop has HUGE chain-of-custody issues. Anything that could be independently confirmed and corroborated already was, back in 2019. Yet there were no indictments then, nor in the 2 years since. And even today there are huge gaps in what can be corroborated, and the most questionable ones that have been corroborated have their own issues, like Tony Bobulinski, who was pushing the "Big Guy" ones while having his own serious fraud problem along with the questions about his "evidence" which included photos of iPhone text message screenshots shown on an old Blackberry with a cracked screen which was connected to a Russian cellphone network at the time the photos were taken.


The Daily Mail claimed this week that forensics experts had verified the authenticity of messages and images in a laptop containing lurid details of Hunter B****'s private life.

The Post claimed that the materials from the laptop indicated that Joe Biden had been compromised by his son's business dealings in Ukraine, where he was on the board of the energy firm Burisma.

Amid doubts about the authenticity of the information and briefings from US intelligence agencies that it was likely part of a Russian disinformation campaign, Facebook and Twitter introduced measures to stop the Post's story from being shared on the platforms.

But the Daily Mail said that the laptop was indeed Hunter B****'s and that it had obtained 103,000 text messages, 154,000 emails, and more than 2,000 photos from a copy of its
hard drive

The Daily Mail said the contents were verified by cyber forensics experts at Maryman & Associates, a California company that says on its website that it has 20 years of experience.

The Daily Mail said the company had matched the contents with email addresses, contents from an iPad, and an iPhone serial number connected to Hunter B****.

The Daily Mail report came days after the publication of Hunter B****'s memoir, "Beautiful Things," in which he described his struggles with drug addiction.

A spokesperson for Biden's publisher, Simon & Schuster, told Insider that Biden would not be commenting on the report.
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https://www.businessinsider.com/daily-mail-authenticated-hunter-b****-laptop-images-2021-4

And, it seems as if the NYT has now authenticate at least a portion of the contents of the laptop.

Question: Has anyone provided any proof that anything reportedly taken from this laptop is NOT authentic?

(Once again..... I have edited the article and the link above with "Hunter B****" because remarkably, this person's full name is forbidden here,)


Tell me how that works? Multiple laptops that have been in the custody of political opponents(many known criminals and convicted felons) of the president for over 4 years has some portion authenticated? Oh look another grift in the making.
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Anonymous wrote:"Emails confirmed" - which ones, specifically? The laptop has HUGE chain-of-custody issues. Anything that could be independently confirmed and corroborated already was, back in 2019. Yet there were no indictments then, nor in the 2 years since. And even today there are huge gaps in what can be corroborated, and the most questionable ones that have been corroborated have their own issues, like Tony Bobulinski, who was pushing the "Big Guy" ones while having his own serious fraud problem along with the questions about his "evidence" which included photos of iPhone text message screenshots shown on an old Blackberry with a cracked screen which was connected to a Russian cellphone network at the time the photos were taken.


The Daily Mail claimed this week that forensics experts had verified the authenticity of messages and images in a laptop containing lurid details of Hunter B****'s private life.

The Post claimed that the materials from the laptop indicated that Joe Biden had been compromised by his son's business dealings in Ukraine, where he was on the board of the energy firm Burisma.

Amid doubts about the authenticity of the information and briefings from US intelligence agencies that it was likely part of a Russian disinformation campaign, Facebook and Twitter introduced measures to stop the Post's story from being shared on the platforms.

But the Daily Mail said that the laptop was indeed Hunter B****'s and that it had obtained 103,000 text messages, 154,000 emails, and more than 2,000 photos from a copy of its
hard drive

The Daily Mail said the contents were verified by cyber forensics experts at Maryman & Associates, a California company that says on its website that it has 20 years of experience.

The Daily Mail said the company had matched the contents with email addresses, contents from an iPad, and an iPhone serial number connected to Hunter B****.

The Daily Mail report came days after the publication of Hunter B****'s memoir, "Beautiful Things," in which he described his struggles with drug addiction.

A spokesperson for Biden's publisher, Simon & Schuster, told Insider that Biden would not be commenting on the report.
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https://www.businessinsider.com/daily-mail-authenticated-hunter-b****-laptop-images-2021-4

And, it seems as if the NYT has now authenticate at least a portion of the contents of the laptop.

Question: Has anyone provided any proof that anything reportedly taken from this laptop is NOT authentic?

(Once again..... I have edited the article and the link above with "Hunter B****" because remarkably, this person's full name is forbidden here,)


Wow your link has been taken down…guess they are trying to avoid liable charges.
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quote] Republicans Falsely Claiming the New York Times Says HB Laptop Is Real

Republicans are celebrating because the New York Post claimed that the New York Times has admitted that the HB laptop is authentic. That is not what the New York Times said.

The New York Times said that the laptop was alleged to be owned by HB and that experts say at least some of the emails on the laptop are authentic emails of HB. The New York Times did not say anyone has confirmed the laptop in question was actually owned by HB (but that has not been ruled out).
https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/3/17/2086640/-Republicans-Falsely-Claiming-the-New-York-Times-Says-Hunter-Biden-Laptop-Is-Real

It is amazing what republicans can do with opinions articles. It’s a way for the right wing crazies to spread lies in the real media.
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Anonymous wrote:quote] Republicans Falsely Claiming the New York Times Says HB Laptop Is Real

Republicans are celebrating because the New York Post claimed that the New York Times has admitted that the HB laptop is authentic. That is not what the New York Times said.

The New York Times said that the laptop was alleged to be owned by HB and that experts say at least some of the emails on the laptop are authentic emails of HB. The New York Times did not say anyone has confirmed the laptop in question was actually owned by HB (but that has not been ruled out).

https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/3/17/2086640/-Republicans-Falsely-Claiming-the-New-York-Times-Says-Hunter-Biden-Laptop-Is-Real

It is amazing what republicans can do with opinions articles. It’s a way for the right wing crazies to spread lies in the real media.


Not just repubs saying this though.
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I don't think any family member or president should ever benefit from the office. That goes for senators and representatives as well.
But let's be honest this stuff has been going on for decades and needs to stop. Don't act like Trump's kids weren't involved in things both in his administration and in his businesses at the same time. Look at Jared in Ivanka. Kellyanne Conway was telling people to buy Ivanka's merchandise for goodness sakes while out of press conference for the president.
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Anonymous wrote:I don't think any family member or president should ever benefit from the office. That goes for senators and representatives as well.
But let's be honest this stuff has been going on for decades and needs to stop. Don't act like Trump's kids weren't involved in things both in his administration and in his businesses at the same time. Look at Jared in Ivanka. Kellyanne Conway was telling people to buy Ivanka's merchandise for goodness sakes while out of press conference for the president.


Umm, look at Obama family members, Bush family members, Carter family members. Etc.

What Hunter did, being on a board, was not exciting. The "incriminating emails" are fake news.
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Sure he was "set up." for a cushy million $$ a year job for which he had no qualifications (other than being the son of the VP) by his business partner and convicted fraudster Devon Archer.



What qualifications did the former guy’s daughter and son-in-law have to work in the White House and represent the US government abroad?


This whataboutism needs to die. Some of us that don’t like the Biden’s hated trump just as much as we hate Biden. The difference is Trump is no longer in office. I’ve been saying for years how ridiculous it is that Jared and the daughter worked for the White House. But again, this thread is about the currrent president, not a has - been who unless he is re-elected has little bearing on our country.
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Anonymous wrote:I don't think any family member or president should ever benefit from the office. That goes for senators and representatives as well.
But let's be honest this stuff has been going on for decades and needs to stop. Don't act like Trump's kids weren't involved in things both in his administration and in his businesses at the same time. Look at Jared in Ivanka. Kellyanne Conway was telling people to buy Ivanka's merchandise for goodness sakes while out of press conference for the president.


Umm, look at Obama family members, Bush family members, Carter family members. Etc.

What Hunter did, being on a board, was not exciting. The "incriminating emails" are fake news.


All need to be shamed and prosecuted. All of them. Again, stop with the whataboutism. Biden is the current president so he is the focus. “What about Obama and Bush” isn’t a valid defense for poor behavior that reflects poorly on our leadership.
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Anonymous wrote:I don't think any family member or president should ever benefit from the office. That goes for senators and representatives as well.
But let's be honest this stuff has been going on for decades and needs to stop. Don't act like Trump's kids weren't involved in things both in his administration and in his businesses at the same time. Look at Jared in Ivanka. Kellyanne Conway was telling people to buy Ivanka's merchandise for goodness sakes while out of press conference for the president.


Umm, look at Obama family members, Bush family members, Carter family members. Etc.

What Hunter did, being on a board, was not exciting. The "incriminating emails" are fake news.


All need to be shamed and prosecuted. All of them. Again, stop with the whataboutism. Biden is the current president so he is the focus. “What about Obama and Bush” isn’t a valid defense for poor behavior that reflects poorly on our leadership.


Prosecute what? There is no crime.
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Anonymous wrote:I don't think any family member or president should ever benefit from the office. That goes for senators and representatives as well.
But let's be honest this stuff has been going on for decades and needs to stop. Don't act like Trump's kids weren't involved in things both in his administration and in his businesses at the same time. Look at Jared in Ivanka. Kellyanne Conway was telling people to buy Ivanka's merchandise for goodness sakes while out of press conference for the president.


Umm, look at Obama family members, Bush family members, Carter family members. Etc.

What Hunter did, being on a board, was not exciting. The "incriminating emails" are fake news.


All need to be shamed and prosecuted. All of them. Again, stop with the whataboutism. Biden is the current president so he is the focus. “What about Obama and Bush” isn’t a valid defense for poor behavior that reflects poorly on our leadership.


There have been investigations. No prosecutions, because it may or may not look bad, but that's not a crime.

Make some new laws, if you think that's a good idea. But you can't just prosecute people for having the same name as a famous person.
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Sure he was "set up." for a cushy million $$ a year job for which he had no qualifications (other than being the son of the VP) by his business partner and convicted fraudster Devon Archer.



What qualifications did the former guy’s daughter and son-in-law have to work in the White House and represent the US government abroad?


This whataboutism needs to die. Some of us that don’t like the Biden’s hated trump just as much as we hate Biden. The difference is Trump is no longer in office. I’ve been saying for years how ridiculous it is that Jared and the daughter worked for the White House. But again, this thread is about the currrent president, not a has - been who unless he is re-elected has little bearing on our country.


This thread is NOT about the current president. It’s about his son. Who doesn’t work for the White House. Who had a laptop with emails on it.
That’s it. That’s the story.
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Anonymous wrote:I don't think any family member or president should ever benefit from the office. That goes for senators and representatives as well.
But let's be honest this stuff has been going on for decades and needs to stop. Don't act like Trump's kids weren't involved in things both in his administration and in his businesses at the same time. Look at Jared in Ivanka. Kellyanne Conway was telling people to buy Ivanka's merchandise for goodness sakes while out of press conference for the president.


Umm, look at Obama family members, Bush family members, Carter family members. Etc.

What Hunter did, being on a board, was not exciting. The "incriminating emails" are fake news.


All need to be shamed and prosecuted. All of them. Again, stop with the whataboutism. Biden is the current president so he is the focus. “What about Obama and Bush” isn’t a valid defense for poor behavior that reflects poorly on our leadership.


Prosecute what? There is no crime.


The Laptop has clearly committed real and serious crimes. We need to make an example of The Laptop or who knows what other Laptops will do.
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So NYT did not verify the laptops?
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George W Bush was gifted a big stake in the Texas Rangers when his dad was President, and sold it for a 2500% profit when he was Governor.

How George W. Bush scored big with the Texas Rangers
https://publicintegrity.org/politics/how-george-w-bush-scored-big-with-the-texas-rangers/

… Bush and his partners bought the team on April 21, 1989, for $86 million. To scrape together his $500,000 stake in the Rangers, Bush borrowed the money from a bank in Midland where he once was a director. He owned 1.8 percent of the Rangers. (He later invested an additional $106,302).

Later, Bush’s partners rewarded him by upping his ownership stake in the Rangers, giving him another 10 percent of the team.

“He had a well-known name, and that created interest in the franchise,” Tom Schieffer, the Rangers’ former president, said last year. “It gave us a little celebrity.”

… the new owners threatened to move the team out of Arlington, Texas, sending local officials scurrying to put together a deal they couldn’t refuse. Under the resulting agreement, the taxpayers of Arlington would raise $135 million, the bulk of the cost of construction, through a hike in sales taxes. Between the sales-tax revenue, state tax exemptions and other financial incentives, Texas taxpayers handed the privately owned Rangers more than $200 million in public subsidies. Taxpayers didn’t get a return from the stadium’s surging new revenues, either. The profits went almost exclusively to the team’s already wealthy owners.

… In 1998, the Rangers sold for $250 million, three times what Bush and his partners had paid 10 years earlier. The new stadium and the real estate around it greatly boosted the final sale price. And, since his partners had upped Bush’s stake in the team from 1.8 to 11.8 percent, his cut from the proceeds of the sale was $14.9 million, a 25-fold return on his investment of $606,302.
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