SATC New Season - And Just Like That...

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Anonymous wrote:This show is cringe. And I say that as a 45 year old woman who came of age during the original series and LOVES it. I’ll watch this reboot no matter how awful (and hot damn it’s bad) because of my love for the original, but I am disgusted nearly every moment. Everything feels so forced. Like the caricatures of the original characters. So uninteresting. So gross (that opening montage of all the middle aged sex…did we really need that?). Really I don’t even consider it must see TV because it’s so boring and wince inducing but I tune in anyway because anything SATC related takes me at least partway back to my blissful 20s when I was a massive fan of the show.

Same. The writing is terrible and the “were so old” lines are so trite. I expected them to be much more confident and interesting.

Exactly, like NY women are.

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Anonymous wrote:There are too many characters now and it’s impossible to know them well enough to care.

The show could be great but Michael Patrick King is a terrible writer of women. I wish they had more female writers like they did on the original show.

Che and Kristin's Upper E Side friend don't add anything, show would be better without them. Really like Nya and Seema, even if I agree with a PP that Seema needs to be better differentiated from Samantha.

Not a Che fan and agree Charlotte's Upper E Side friend (can't even remember character's name!) doesn't add much in terms of storytelling but I'm always interested in her fashion. She's gorgeous and wears everything so well!

Yes, she's too similar to Charlotte, including the Bunny storyline. Her professional storyline isn't convincing, and the writers aren't deft enough to handle race in an interesting or thought-provoking way.


Someone with a stable family life and tons of money is going to be less interesting than the other characters. But she definitely gives us good fashion!

She's very beautiful but it really speaks to the underdevelopment of her character that none of us can remember her name. I also don't really find it realistic that her MIL is such a judgmental c**t. Plus that feels like a retread of Bunny.

Yes, she's too similar to Charlotte, including the Bunny storyline. Her professional storyline isn't convincing, and the writers aren't deft enough to handle race in an interesting or thought-provoking way.

I actually disagree. As a Black woman I think I know where they are heading with the MIL plot (rushing to make her daughter’s hair presentable and not wild). MIL is classic AKA/Martha’s Vineyard/Jack and Jill type. I expect a huge rebellion against MIL and her expectations of what a proper uppity Black family should look like. And yes, it’s intentionally meant to run parallel with Charlotte’s old character. I actually like it. I love Nicole Ari-Parker (and her gorgeous husband Boris Kodjoe) and her style is impeccable.

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Anonymous wrote:There are too many characters now and it’s impossible to know them well enough to care.

The show could be great but Michael Patrick King is a terrible writer of women. I wish they had more female writers like they did on the original show.

Che and Kristin's Upper E Side friend don't add anything, show would be better without them. Really like Nya and Seema, even if I agree with a PP that Seema needs to be better differentiated from Samantha.

Not a Che fan and agree Charlotte's Upper E Side friend (can't even remember character's name!) doesn't add much in terms of storytelling but I'm always interested in her fashion. She's gorgeous and wears everything so well!

Yes, she's too similar to Charlotte, including the Bunny storyline. Her professional storyline isn't convincing, and the writers aren't deft enough to handle race in an interesting or thought-provoking way.


Someone with a stable family life and tons of money is going to be less interesting than the other characters. But she definitely gives us good fashion!

She's very beautiful but it really speaks to the underdevelopment of her character that none of us can remember her name. I also don't really find it realistic that her MIL is such a judgmental c**t. Plus that feels like a retread of Bunny.

Yes, she's too similar to Charlotte, including the Bunny storyline. Her professional storyline isn't convincing, and the writers aren't deft enough to handle race in an interesting or thought-provoking way.

I actually disagree. As a Black woman I think I know where they are heading with the MIL plot (rushing to make her daughter’s hair presentable and not wild). MIL is classic AKA/Martha’s Vineyard/Jack and Jill type. I expect a huge rebellion against MIL and her expectations of what a proper uppity Black family should look like. And yes, it’s intentionally meant to run parallel with Charlotte’s old character. I actually like it. I love Nicole Ari-Parker (and her gorgeous husband Boris Kodjoe) and her style is impeccable.

How much can they rebel, though? They're ULTRA richy rich art types whose idea of rebellion is probably this extremely $$$$$ designer thing v that one. It's not like they're about to go live in a yurt and wear pajamas instead of clothes. And we don't even know the MIL - she's just an idea to us now, not a character.

But if you do have insight into her and the family, please share, because I would love to get a deeper feel for this part of the plot!

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I watched the second episode last night. I'm truly surprised at how weak it is. I felt like I was watching a televised play - the acting is so bad and unrealistic and overblown. Especially Kristin Davis and Evan Handler. To be fair, the writing is bad too, so maybe they just decided to ham it up and have fun with it. But it's boring, cringey, predictable, uninteresting. I feel like I'm watching it out of obligation, not interest - my love for the original series compels me to tune into this tired reboot.

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Anonymous wrote:Cynthia Nixon preparing to wear a strap-on was not on my bingo card.

LOL, true. I appreciate they're showing middle-age ladies with healthy sex drives but this was unexpected. But despite her best efforts, she has zero chemistry with Che and it's uncomfortable to watch.

For the life of me, I don't understand why they didn't pair Miranda with Nya. That would have made far more sense in terms of general compatibility. I understand wanting to introduce a non-binary character/love interest but forcing it in the absence of chemistry doesn't do anyone any favors.

Well if they did that, then Cynthia Nixon wouldn't get the opportunity to play herself

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Anonymous wrote:I watched S2 Ep 1 last night - boy was it painful. I skipped S1 entirely because I adore SATC so much and just couldn’t. But I wanted to try S2 since I heard the wedding dress and Aiden make appearances.
What was the point of Miranda in the sensory deprivation tank? That was cringe as was the strap on. What happened to Miranda?
Where is Steve? Is she cheating on him?
Who are all these other people? I know - I would know if I watched S1.
Ok I was interested to see Warwick from CSI - bring him back pls!
Was that green stripped ribbon dress supposed to be amazing had it fit??
I just want to see the complexity + humor that was captured in the SATC characters and story lines. If there’s some of that in this new show I’ll try to stick with it.

Miranda left Steve for Che and they pretty much threw her character out. She is no longer confident, hard-working, no BS Miranda and is acting like some sort of lovesick puppy who has given up all control in her relationship. It's so bizarre.

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Anonymous wrote:There are too many characters now and it’s impossible to know them well enough to care.

The show could be great but Michael Patrick King is a terrible writer of women. I wish they had more female writers like they did on the original show.

Che and Kristin's Upper E Side friend don't add anything, show would be better without them. Really like Nya and Seema, even if I agree with a PP that Seema needs to be better differentiated from Samantha.

Not a Che fan and agree Charlotte's Upper E Side friend (can't even remember character's name!) doesn't add much in terms of storytelling but I'm always interested in her fashion. She's gorgeous and wears everything so well!

Yes, she's too similar to Charlotte, including the Bunny storyline. Her professional storyline isn't convincing, and the writers aren't deft enough to handle race in an interesting or thought-provoking way.


Someone with a stable family life and tons of money is going to be less interesting than the other characters. But she definitely gives us good fashion!

She's very beautiful but it really speaks to the underdevelopment of her character that none of us can remember her name. I also don't really find it realistic that her MIL is such a judgmental c**t. Plus that feels like a retread of Bunny.

Yes, she's too similar to Charlotte, including the Bunny storyline. Her professional storyline isn't convincing, and the writers aren't deft enough to handle race in an interesting or thought-provoking way.

I actually disagree. As a Black woman I think I know where they are heading with the MIL plot (rushing to make her daughter’s hair presentable and not wild). MIL is classic AKA/Martha’s Vineyard/Jack and Jill type. I expect a huge rebellion against MIL and her expectations of what a proper uppity Black family should look like. And yes, it’s intentionally meant to run parallel with Charlotte’s old character. I actually like it. I love Nicole Ari-Parker (and her gorgeous husband Boris Kodjoe) and her style is impeccable.

How much can they rebel, though? They're ULTRA richy rich art types whose idea of rebellion is probably this extremely $$$$$ designer thing v that one. It's not like they're about to go live in a yurt and wear pajamas instead of clothes. And we don't even know the MIL - she's just an idea to us now, not a character.

But if you do have insight into her and the family, please share, because I would love to get a deeper feel for this part of the plot!

Not expecting a full on rebellion but general push back to MIL from son and wife about what is/isn’t acceptable. Letting daughter wear her hair however she likes for instance. Full on natural.

If they don’t end up doing this, the story line is unnecessary IMO.

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Anonymous wrote:There are too many characters now and it’s impossible to know them well enough to care.

The show could be great but Michael Patrick King is a terrible writer of women. I wish they had more female writers like they did on the original show.

Che and Kristin's Upper E Side friend don't add anything, show would be better without them. Really like Nya and Seema, even if I agree with a PP that Seema needs to be better differentiated from Samantha.

Not a Che fan and agree Charlotte's Upper E Side friend (can't even remember character's name!) doesn't add much in terms of storytelling but I'm always interested in her fashion. She's gorgeous and wears everything so well!

Yes, she's too similar to Charlotte, including the Bunny storyline. Her professional storyline isn't convincing, and the writers aren't deft enough to handle race in an interesting or thought-provoking way.


Someone with a stable family life and tons of money is going to be less interesting than the other characters. But she definitely gives us good fashion!

She's very beautiful but it really speaks to the underdevelopment of her character that none of us can remember her name. I also don't really find it realistic that her MIL is such a judgmental c**t. Plus that feels like a retread of Bunny.

Yes, she's too similar to Charlotte, including the Bunny storyline. Her professional storyline isn't convincing, and the writers aren't deft enough to handle race in an interesting or thought-provoking way.

I actually disagree. As a Black woman I think I know where they are heading with the MIL plot (rushing to make her daughter’s hair presentable and not wild). MIL is classic AKA/Martha’s Vineyard/Jack and Jill type. I expect a huge rebellion against MIL and her expectations of what a proper uppity Black family should look like. And yes, it’s intentionally meant to run parallel with Charlotte’s old character. I actually like it. I love Nicole Ari-Parker (and her gorgeous husband Boris Kodjoe) and her style is impeccable.

How much can they rebel, though? They're ULTRA richy rich art types whose idea of rebellion is probably this extremely $$$$$ designer thing v that one. It's not like they're about to go live in a yurt and wear pajamas instead of clothes. And we don't even know the MIL - she's just an idea to us now, not a character.

But if you do have insight into her and the family, please share, because I would love to get a deeper feel for this part of the plot!

Not expecting a full on rebellion but general push back to MIL from son and wife about what is/isn’t acceptable. Letting daughter wear her hair however she likes for instance. Full on natural.

If they don’t end up doing this, the story line is unnecessary IMO.

That clearly has to happen, but I guess as yet I just don't feel invested in it at all. I don't really know these characters. I don't know why they'd care that much what the MIL thinks, other than most of us dislike being judged. Does she hold the purse strings? Will they be poor if she doesn't like how they're living? What are the stakes other than being judged by someone who seems like she's going to judge them no matter what?

With Bunny, there were stakes for Charlotte. We know she really cared about marrying into this family - and felt that Bunny could derail her plans, and then make her miserable once she was married to Trey. What are the stakes here?

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Anonymous wrote:There are too many characters now and it’s impossible to know them well enough to care.

The show could be great but Michael Patrick King is a terrible writer of women. I wish they had more female writers like they did on the original show.

Che and Kristin's Upper E Side friend don't add anything, show would be better without them. Really like Nya and Seema, even if I agree with a PP that Seema needs to be better differentiated from Samantha.

Not a Che fan and agree Charlotte's Upper E Side friend (can't even remember character's name!) doesn't add much in terms of storytelling but I'm always interested in her fashion. She's gorgeous and wears everything so well!

Yes, she's too similar to Charlotte, including the Bunny storyline. Her professional storyline isn't convincing, and the writers aren't deft enough to handle race in an interesting or thought-provoking way.


Someone with a stable family life and tons of money is going to be less interesting than the other characters. But she definitely gives us good fashion!

She's very beautiful but it really speaks to the underdevelopment of her character that none of us can remember her name. I also don't really find it realistic that her MIL is such a judgmental c**t. Plus that feels like a retread of Bunny.

Yes, she's too similar to Charlotte, including the Bunny storyline. Her professional storyline isn't convincing, and the writers aren't deft enough to handle race in an interesting or thought-provoking way.

I actually disagree. As a Black woman I think I know where they are heading with the MIL plot (rushing to make her daughter’s hair presentable and not wild). MIL is classic AKA/Martha’s Vineyard/Jack and Jill type. I expect a huge rebellion against MIL and her expectations of what a proper uppity Black family should look like. And yes, it’s intentionally meant to run parallel with Charlotte’s old character. I actually like it. I love Nicole Ari-Parker (and her gorgeous husband Boris Kodjoe) and her style is impeccable.

How much can they rebel, though? They're ULTRA richy rich art types whose idea of rebellion is probably this extremely $$$$$ designer thing v that one. It's not like they're about to go live in a yurt and wear pajamas instead of clothes. And we don't even know the MIL - she's just an idea to us now, not a character.

But if you do have insight into her and the family, please share, because I would love to get a deeper feel for this part of the plot!

Not expecting a full on rebellion but general push back to MIL from son and wife about what is/isn’t acceptable. Letting daughter wear her hair however she likes for instance. Full on natural.

If they don’t end up doing this, the story line is unnecessary IMO.

Oh and we certainly know the MIL. There were quite a few scenes with her last season that showed same uppity personality while also trying to showcase Black excellence. She’s def showing a certain type that exists in the community.

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Anonymous wrote:There are too many characters now and it’s impossible to know them well enough to care.

The show could be great but Michael Patrick King is a terrible writer of women. I wish they had more female writers like they did on the original show.

Che and Kristin's Upper E Side friend don't add anything, show would be better without them. Really like Nya and Seema, even if I agree with a PP that Seema needs to be better differentiated from Samantha.

Not a Che fan and agree Charlotte's Upper E Side friend (can't even remember character's name!) doesn't add much in terms of storytelling but I'm always interested in her fashion. She's gorgeous and wears everything so well!

Yes, she's too similar to Charlotte, including the Bunny storyline. Her professional storyline isn't convincing, and the writers aren't deft enough to handle race in an interesting or thought-provoking way.


Someone with a stable family life and tons of money is going to be less interesting than the other characters. But she definitely gives us good fashion!

She's very beautiful but it really speaks to the underdevelopment of her character that none of us can remember her name. I also don't really find it realistic that her MIL is such a judgmental c**t. Plus that feels like a retread of Bunny.

Yes, she's too similar to Charlotte, including the Bunny storyline. Her professional storyline isn't convincing, and the writers aren't deft enough to handle race in an interesting or thought-provoking way.

I actually disagree. As a Black woman I think I know where they are heading with the MIL plot (rushing to make her daughter’s hair presentable and not wild). MIL is classic AKA/Martha’s Vineyard/Jack and Jill type. I expect a huge rebellion against MIL and her expectations of what a proper uppity Black family should look like. And yes, it’s intentionally meant to run parallel with Charlotte’s old character. I actually like it. I love Nicole Ari-Parker (and her gorgeous husband Boris Kodjoe) and her style is impeccable.

How much can they rebel, though? They're ULTRA richy rich art types whose idea of rebellion is probably this extremely $$$$$ designer thing v that one. It's not like they're about to go live in a yurt and wear pajamas instead of clothes. And we don't even know the MIL - she's just an idea to us now, not a character.

But if you do have insight into her and the family, please share, because I would love to get a deeper feel for this part of the plot!

Not expecting a full on rebellion but general push back to MIL from son and wife about what is/isn’t acceptable. Letting daughter wear her hair however she likes for instance. Full on natural.

If they don’t end up doing this, the story line is unnecessary IMO.

That clearly has to happen, but I guess as yet I just don't feel invested in it at all. I don't really know these characters. I don't know why they'd care that much what the MIL thinks, other than most of us dislike being judged. Does she hold the purse strings? Will they be poor if she doesn't like how they're living? What are the stakes other than being judged by someone who seems like she's going to judge them no matter what?

With Bunny, there were stakes for Charlotte. We know she really cared about marrying into this family - and felt that Bunny could derail her plans, and then make her miserable once she was married to Trey. What are the stakes here?

^ And also Charlotte was one of the four main characters. We'd seen her through a lot of ups and downs. We were invested in their happiness. I literally cannot remember this character's name. I feel like Seema and Nya have given us more to work with, so we do feel more invested in their stories, even though I think the show now has too many main characters. It's just hard to stay invested in any of them when there are so many - everything feels like a hint of a plot, instead of an actual plot.

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Anonymous wrote:There are too many characters now and it’s impossible to know them well enough to care.

The show could be great but Michael Patrick King is a terrible writer of women. I wish they had more female writers like they did on the original show.

Che and Kristin's Upper E Side friend don't add anything, show would be better without them. Really like Nya and Seema, even if I agree with a PP that Seema needs to be better differentiated from Samantha.

Not a Che fan and agree Charlotte's Upper E Side friend (can't even remember character's name!) doesn't add much in terms of storytelling but I'm always interested in her fashion. She's gorgeous and wears everything so well!

Yes, she's too similar to Charlotte, including the Bunny storyline. Her professional storyline isn't convincing, and the writers aren't deft enough to handle race in an interesting or thought-provoking way.


Someone with a stable family life and tons of money is going to be less interesting than the other characters. But she definitely gives us good fashion!

She's very beautiful but it really speaks to the underdevelopment of her character that none of us can remember her name. I also don't really find it realistic that her MIL is such a judgmental c**t. Plus that feels like a retread of Bunny.

Yes, she's too similar to Charlotte, including the Bunny storyline. Her professional storyline isn't convincing, and the writers aren't deft enough to handle race in an interesting or thought-provoking way.

I actually disagree. As a Black woman I think I know where they are heading with the MIL plot (rushing to make her daughter’s hair presentable and not wild). MIL is classic AKA/Martha’s Vineyard/Jack and Jill type. I expect a huge rebellion against MIL and her expectations of what a proper uppity Black family should look like. And yes, it’s intentionally meant to run parallel with Charlotte’s old character. I actually like it. I love Nicole Ari-Parker (and her gorgeous husband Boris Kodjoe) and her style is impeccable.

How much can they rebel, though? They're ULTRA richy rich art types whose idea of rebellion is probably this extremely $$$$$ designer thing v that one. It's not like they're about to go live in a yurt and wear pajamas instead of clothes. And we don't even know the MIL - she's just an idea to us now, not a character.

But if you do have insight into her and the family, please share, because I would love to get a deeper feel for this part of the plot!

Not expecting a full on rebellion but general push back to MIL from son and wife about what is/isn’t acceptable. Letting daughter wear her hair however she likes for instance. Full on natural.

If they don’t end up doing this, the story line is unnecessary IMO.

Oh and we certainly know the MIL. There were quite a few scenes with her last season that showed same uppity personality while also trying to showcase Black excellence. She’s def showing a certain type that exists in the community.

Maybe I am not remembering enough from last season.

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Anonymous wrote:I watched S2 Ep 1 last night - boy was it painful. I skipped S1 entirely because I adore SATC so much and just couldn’t. But I wanted to try S2 since I heard the wedding dress and Aiden make appearances.
What was the point of Miranda in the sensory deprivation tank? That was cringe as was the strap on. What happened to Miranda?
Where is Steve? Is she cheating on him?
Who are all these other people? I know - I would know if I watched S1.
Ok I was interested to see Warwick from CSI - bring him back pls!
Was that green stripped ribbon dress supposed to be amazing had it fit??
I just want to see the complexity + humor that was captured in the SATC characters and story lines. If there’s some of that in this new show I’ll try to stick with it.

Miranda left Steve for Che and they pretty much threw her character out. She is no longer confident, hard-working, no BS Miranda and is acting like some sort of lovesick puppy who has given up all control in her relationship. It's so bizarre.

Yeah, I think if there was more exposition about her mid-life crisis, having feelings for Che she's never had before, feeling vulnerable etc. it would have helped. Simply being bored of sitting on the couch every night doesn't cut it. It was too big of a leap, especially for one who insisted she was straight and hated LA in the original series. Just doesn't work.

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Anonymous wrote:That’s why Samantha does not want to come back at 66 and talk about blow jobs.

+1 I heard in the Origins podcast that one of the few plots that Kim Cattrall requested that Michael Patrick King change in the original show was Samantha having a conversation about bl0wj0bs with a 13-year-old (they didn’t say but I assume it was the episode with Kat Dennings.) That is completely inappropriate and between that and the rumored plot line of her messing around with teenaged Brady in the third movie that became this series, it shows that the show had no respect for her character.

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Anonymous wrote:I watched S2 Ep 1 last night - boy was it painful. I skipped S1 entirely because I adore SATC so much and just couldn’t. But I wanted to try S2 since I heard the wedding dress and Aiden make appearances.
What was the point of Miranda in the sensory deprivation tank? That was cringe as was the strap on. What happened to Miranda?
Where is Steve? Is she cheating on him?
Who are all these other people? I know - I would know if I watched S1.
Ok I was interested to see Warwick from CSI - bring him back pls!
Was that green stripped ribbon dress supposed to be amazing had it fit??
I just want to see the complexity + humor that was captured in the SATC characters and story lines. If there’s some of that in this new show I’ll try to stick with it.

Miranda left Steve for Che and they pretty much threw her character out. She is no longer confident, hard-working, no BS Miranda and is acting like some sort of lovesick puppy who has given up all control in her relationship. It's so bizarre.

+1 And Miranda would HATE the idea of the sensory deprivation tank - remember on her honeymoon with Steve when there was nothing to do but walk in the woods?

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Anonymous wrote:I watched S2 Ep 1 last night - boy was it painful. I skipped S1 entirely because I adore SATC so much and just couldn’t. But I wanted to try S2 since I heard the wedding dress and Aiden make appearances.
What was the point of Miranda in the sensory deprivation tank? That was cringe as was the strap on. What happened to Miranda?
Where is Steve? Is she cheating on him?
Who are all these other people? I know - I would know if I watched S1.
Ok I was interested to see Warwick from CSI - bring him back pls!
Was that green stripped ribbon dress supposed to be amazing had it fit??
I just want to see the complexity + humor that was captured in the SATC characters and story lines. If there’s some of that in this new show I’ll try to stick with it.

Miranda left Steve for Che and they pretty much threw her character out. She is no longer confident, hard-working, no BS Miranda and is acting like some sort of lovesick puppy who has given up all control in her relationship. It's so bizarre.

I like her being awkward and vulnerable. We don’t have to crystallize into one set way of being. Middle age / later middle age certainly is a fantastic time to set yourself free of rigidity.