The White Lotus season 2

[Anonymous]

Maybe the connection next season will be Albie and Portia going on vacation together as a dating couple.

I don’t think Greg will be the connection because I don’t think that character is interesting or charismatic enough to make people want to watch again. He only came along this season because of Tanya.

I like the idea of Portia coming back because she’s not rich herself, so I think watching her navigate being privileged by proxy would be interesting. Also, if the theme is religion/spirituality, I really like the idea of having the through line be the Gen Z characters because I’m really curious how they would think about those things.

I hope it’s some kind of super fancy spiritual retreat/spa in Southeast Asia. I think this would enable them to return to a theme from season one (how these places exploit local cultureand people for their rich patrons) that I’d like to see more of.

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Anonymous wrote:Up until the Ethan/Daphne scenario, both Ethan and Harper’s transgressions were the same- a sloppy kiss they didn’t want in an out of character moment. Ethan took it home with Daphne bc it his fragile ego. Gross.

Great ending. I thought the piano man was going to take out Mia. But I loved how it ended.

My take away was that Ethan and Harper were shown that they are not so unlike Cameron and Daphne. They both cheated but look how happy they were in the Airport waiting for their flight. It took both people in the elation ship cheating so that they could find happiness in their relationship.

I agree. I also think it shows stages of the marriages. Cam and Daphne have kids, are further along with more stress in their life. Ethan and Harper are very idealist at the outset of the vacation. By the end, they cheat too...and weirdly brought them closer. "What you almost lose makes you appreciate it more' type logic. But, I also think it's Harper and Ethan's transition into the life of the ultra wealthy. They are doing things they never would have done before the $ came along and they got jaded. Ethan might end up like Cam. He seemed to get a lot of power from cheating with Daphne and he appeared to really like that feeling. Harper is happy to have him back and loving again...and ripe to end up like Daphne---married to a rich guy she loves, but has to make sacrifices/excuses for..and she might do things to 'not feel like a victim' too going forward.

I think Ethan and Harper had what most people think of as the ideal marriage- mutual respect, trust, honesty. But that steadiness also killed their spark. Daphne and Cameron’s marriage is full of lies and deception but the uncertainty and mystery keeps the passion alive. I think the show’s thesis is that too much familiarity is a bad thing and Harper and Ethan needed to take a page out of daphne and Cameron’s book to keep it going.

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Anonymous wrote:Up until the Ethan/Daphne scenario, both Ethan and Harper’s transgressions were the same- a sloppy kiss they didn’t want in an out of character moment. Ethan took it home with Daphne bc it his fragile ego. Gross.

Great ending. I thought the piano man was going to take out Mia. But I loved how it ended.

My take away was that Ethan and Harper were shown that they are not so unlike Cameron and Daphne. They both cheated but look how happy they were in the Airport waiting for their flight. It took both people in the elation ship cheating so that they could find happiness in their relationship.

I agree. I also think it shows stages of the marriages. Cam and Daphne have kids, are further along with more stress in their life. Ethan and Harper are very idealist at the outset of the vacation. By the end, they cheat too...and weirdly brought them closer. "What you almost lose makes you appreciate it more' type logic. But, I also think it's Harper and Ethan's transition into the life of the ultra wealthy. They are doing things they never would have done before the $ came along and they got jaded. Ethan might end up like Cam. He seemed to get a lot of power from cheating with Daphne and he appeared to really like that feeling. Harper is happy to have him back and loving again...and ripe to end up like Daphne---married to a rich guy she loves, but has to make sacrifices/excuses for..and she might do things to 'not feel like a victim' too going forward.

I think Ethan and Harper had what most people think of as the ideal marriage- mutual respect, trust, honesty. But that steadiness also killed their spark. Daphne and Cameron’s marriage is full of lies and deception but the uncertainty and mystery keeps the passion alive. I think the show’s thesis is that too much familiarity is a bad thing and Harper and Ethan needed to take a page out of daphne and Cameron’s book to keep it going.

"HAD". They had it. Now the mutual trust and honesty is gone. Wiped out. After this trip, they will never give each other the benefit of the doubt again. Ethan knows he got away with banging Daphne and he is going to keep that secret tight and be emboldened that he can do this stuff and keep Harper happy because "what she doesn't know cant' hurt her"---the MO of many husbands that love their wives but want to bang on the side to feel virile and relieve stress and escape from family pressure.

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Anonymous wrote:Up until the Ethan/Daphne scenario, both Ethan and Harper’s transgressions were the same- a sloppy kiss they didn’t want in an out of character moment. Ethan took it home with Daphne bc it his fragile ego. Gross.

Great ending. I thought the piano man was going to take out Mia. But I loved how it ended.

My take away was that Ethan and Harper were shown that they are not so unlike Cameron and Daphne. They both cheated but look how happy they were in the Airport waiting for their flight. It took both people in the elation ship cheating so that they could find happiness in their relationship.

I agree. I also think it shows stages of the marriages. Cam and Daphne have kids, are further along with more stress in their life. Ethan and Harper are very idealist at the outset of the vacation. By the end, they cheat too...and weirdly brought them closer. "What you almost lose makes you appreciate it more' type logic. But, I also think it's Harper and Ethan's transition into the life of the ultra wealthy. They are doing things they never would have done before the $ came along and they got jaded. Ethan might end up like Cam. He seemed to get a lot of power from cheating with Daphne and he appeared to really like that feeling. Harper is happy to have him back and loving again...and ripe to end up like Daphne---married to a rich guy she loves, but has to make sacrifices/excuses for..and she might do things to 'not feel like a victim' too going forward.

I think Ethan and Harper had what most people think of as the ideal marriage- mutual respect, trust, honesty. But that steadiness also killed their spark. Daphne and Cameron’s marriage is full of lies and deception but the uncertainty and mystery keeps the passion alive. I think the show’s thesis is that too much familiarity is a bad thing and Harper and Ethan needed to take a page out of daphne and Cameron’s book to keep it going.

"HAD". They had it. Now the mutual trust and honesty is gone. Wiped out. After this trip, they will never give each other the benefit of the doubt again. Ethan knows he got away with banging Daphne and he is going to keep that secret tight and be emboldened that he can do this stuff and keep Harper happy because "what she doesn't know cant' hurt her"---the MO of many husbands that love their wives but want to bang on the side to feel virile and relieve stress and escape from family pressure.

They are on their way to harboring lies and deceiving in just the same manner... not sure that Harper will cheat again--but Ethan definitely will.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Maybe the connection next season will be Albie and Portia going on vacation together as a dating couple.

I don’t think Greg will be the connection because I don’t think that character is interesting or charismatic enough to make people want to watch again. He only came along this season because of Tanya.

I like the idea of Portia coming back because she’s not rich herself, so I think watching her navigate being privileged by proxy would be interesting. Also, if the theme is religion/spirituality, I really like the idea of having the through line be the Gen Z characters because I’m really curious how they would think about those things.

I hope it’s some kind of super fancy spiritual retreat/spa in Southeast Asia. I think this would enable them to return to a theme from season one (how these places exploit local cultureand people for their rich patrons) that I’d like to see more of.

Greg will definitely be the connection. Mike White confirmed the next season will be out death and religion (Greg still has terminal cancer). Also, some rumors have been floating around that they've started filming WL3 in Japan. It just makes sense

[Anonymous]

Weeks..those 4 grossed me out...so every time Cameron cheats, Daphne is going to do something to make up for feeling like a victim...what an invitation for disease and disorder

[Anonymous]

I relate to the Harper Ethan relationship a lot.
They probably think that they checked all the right box in life and yet end up in an unhappy place!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe the connection next season will be Albie and Portia going on vacation together as a dating couple.

I don’t think Greg will be the connection because I don’t think that character is interesting or charismatic enough to make people want to watch again. He only came along this season because of Tanya.

I like the idea of Portia coming back because she’s not rich herself, so I think watching her navigate being privileged by proxy would be interesting. Also, if the theme is religion/spirituality, I really like the idea of having the through line be the Gen Z characters because I’m really curious how they would think about those things.

I hope it’s some kind of super fancy spiritual retreat/spa in Southeast Asia. I think this would enable them to return to a theme from season one (how these places exploit local cultureand people for their rich patrons) that I’d like to see more of.

Greg will definitely be the connection. Mike White confirmed the next season will be out death and religion (Greg still has terminal cancer). Also, some rumors have been floating around that they've started filming WL3 in Japan. It just makes sense

I'm so sad Tanya won't be back. I love Jennifer Coolidge.

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Anonymous wrote:It was fishy from the beginning that someone who looked like Jack would show interest in Portia. That scene in the pool when they met was out of place for a reason.

Albie and Portia are both naive suckers and I’m glad Mike White drove that point home at the end so we don’t have to rehash the conversation about how deluded and naive Portia’s worldview is relative to Jack’s.

Another point about Jack is that in this whole thread no one mentions he’s a victim when he clearly is either a victim of a predatory older, privileged man or a victim of child abuse or both. A lot of untold demons in his closet that he’s trying to drink away.

It’s funny that the only true friendship in the show is between Lucia and the piano player. Cameron and Daphne seem like they actually like each other but their friendship is too twisted.

The “you f your uncle?!” and Tanya telling the captain the gays were trying to kill her in vain were hilariously cringe.

Great ending to a great season. This is the best show of the past 10-15 years.

Who looked like him? He was gross and a drunk! No thank you!

Now we’re going to act like this guy isn’t attractive? He looks like a young, more athletic Damon Albarn. No one who looks like Portia is going to pull someone who looks like a 1990s Calvin Klein model in the real world. Please.

Uh no, he was not attractive to me at all.

You kidding? Look at him outside of his lotus personality?

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Anonymous wrote:Up until the Ethan/Daphne scenario, both Ethan and Harper’s transgressions were the same- a sloppy kiss they didn’t want in an out of character moment. Ethan took it home with Daphne bc it his fragile ego. Gross.

Great ending. I thought the piano man was going to take out Mia. But I loved how it ended.

My take away was that Ethan and Harper were shown that they are not so unlike Cameron and Daphne. They both cheated but look how happy they were in the Airport waiting for their flight. It took both people in the elation ship cheating so that they could find happiness in their relationship.

I agree. I also think it shows stages of the marriages. Cam and Daphne have kids, are further along with more stress in their life. Ethan and Harper are very idealist at the outset of the vacation. By the end, they cheat too...and weirdly brought them closer. "What you almost lose makes you appreciate it more' type logic. But, I also think it's Harper and Ethan's transition into the life of the ultra wealthy. They are doing things they never would have done before the $ came along and they got jaded. Ethan might end up like Cam. He seemed to get a lot of power from cheating with Daphne and he appeared to really like that feeling. Harper is happy to have him back and loving again...and ripe to end up like Daphne---married to a rich guy she loves, but has to make sacrifices/excuses for..and she might do things to 'not feel like a victim' too going forward.

I think Ethan and Harper had what most people think of as the ideal marriage- mutual respect, trust, honesty. But that steadiness also killed their spark. Daphne and Cameron’s marriage is full of lies and deception but the uncertainty and mystery keeps the passion alive. I think the show’s thesis is that too much familiarity is a bad thing and Harper and Ethan needed to take a page out of daphne and Cameron’s book to keep it going.

"HAD". They had it. Now the mutual trust and honesty is gone. Wiped out. After this trip, they will never give each other the benefit of the doubt again. Ethan knows he got away with banging Daphne and he is going to keep that secret tight and be emboldened that he can do this stuff and keep Harper happy because "what she doesn't know cant' hurt her"---the MO of many husbands that love their wives but want to bang on the side to feel virile and relieve stress and escape from family pressure.

Vast sums of money changes one’s values. We got to see that in real time with Ethan and Harper.
Be careful what you wish for.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Up until the Ethan/Daphne scenario, both Ethan and Harper’s transgressions were the same- a sloppy kiss they didn’t want in an out of character moment. Ethan took it home with Daphne bc it his fragile ego. Gross.

Great ending. I thought the piano man was going to take out Mia. But I loved how it ended.

My take away was that Ethan and Harper were shown that they are not so unlike Cameron and Daphne. They both cheated but look how happy they were in the Airport waiting for their flight. It took both people in the elation ship cheating so that they could find happiness in their relationship.

I agree. I also think it shows stages of the marriages. Cam and Daphne have kids, are further along with more stress in their life. Ethan and Harper are very idealist at the outset of the vacation. By the end, they cheat too...and weirdly brought them closer. "What you almost lose makes you appreciate it more' type logic. But, I also think it's Harper and Ethan's transition into the life of the ultra wealthy. They are doing things they never would have done before the $ came along and they got jaded. Ethan might end up like Cam. He seemed to get a lot of power from cheating with Daphne and he appeared to really like that feeling. Harper is happy to have him back and loving again...and ripe to end up like Daphne---married to a rich guy she loves, but has to make sacrifices/excuses for..and she might do things to 'not feel like a victim' too going forward.

I think Ethan and Harper had what most people think of as the ideal marriage- mutual respect, trust, honesty. But that steadiness also killed their spark. Daphne and Cameron’s marriage is full of lies and deception but the uncertainty and mystery keeps the passion alive. I think the show’s thesis is that too much familiarity is a bad thing and Harper and Ethan needed to take a page out of daphne and Cameron’s book to keep it going.

"HAD". They had it. Now the mutual trust and honesty is gone. Wiped out. After this trip, they will never give each other the benefit of the doubt again. Ethan knows he got away with banging Daphne and he is going to keep that secret tight and be emboldened that he can do this stuff and keep Harper happy because "what she doesn't know cant' hurt her"---the MO of many husbands that love their wives but want to bang on the side to feel virile and relieve stress and escape from family pressure.

Vast sums of money changes one’s values. We got to see that in real time with Ethan and Harper.
Be careful what you wish for.

Mo' money, mo' problems.

My sister always says this. We are 50s now and see the people that were so dead set on a 'lifestyle' and material things. My husband and I didn't come from $ and we have it now and we both have a window into a world we didn't come from. It's not pretty like the show demonstrates. I know a lot of miserable people. At some point, you see there are always people that have 'more', a lot more. You get to the 'next level' and you see it keeps going. What you thought was wealth isn't when you then see the next level. But, that's just it. You cannot get caught up in that because it's a recipe for disaster. At some point you need to jump off and come to your senses and be happy with what you have--the real relationships, family, the non-material things. Family is important. Real friendships are important. Striving an and superficiality is a lonely existence. Having people want you for only what you can give to them is not pleasant. What do you want to teach your kids? Do you want them thinking $50 euros is nothing--no big deal? The entitlement and treating people like crap that they think are 'beneath' them. Or do you want to model kindness, empathy and giving back?

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Anonymous wrote:Up until the Ethan/Daphne scenario, both Ethan and Harper’s transgressions were the same- a sloppy kiss they didn’t want in an out of character moment. Ethan took it home with Daphne bc it his fragile ego. Gross.

Great ending. I thought the piano man was going to take out Mia. But I loved how it ended.

My take away was that Ethan and Harper were shown that they are not so unlike Cameron and Daphne. They both cheated but look how happy they were in the Airport waiting for their flight. It took both people in the elation ship cheating so that they could find happiness in their relationship.

I agree. I also think it shows stages of the marriages. Cam and Daphne have kids, are further along with more stress in their life. Ethan and Harper are very idealist at the outset of the vacation. By the end, they cheat too...and weirdly brought them closer. "What you almost lose makes you appreciate it more' type logic. But, I also think it's Harper and Ethan's transition into the life of the ultra wealthy. They are doing things they never would have done before the $ came along and they got jaded. Ethan might end up like Cam. He seemed to get a lot of power from cheating with Daphne and he appeared to really like that feeling. Harper is happy to have him back and loving again...and ripe to end up like Daphne---married to a rich guy she loves, but has to make sacrifices/excuses for..and she might do things to 'not feel like a victim' too going forward.

^$50k euros

I think Ethan and Harper had what most people think of as the ideal marriage- mutual respect, trust, honesty. But that steadiness also killed their spark. Daphne and Cameron’s marriage is full of lies and deception but the uncertainty and mystery keeps the passion alive. I think the show’s thesis is that too much familiarity is a bad thing and Harper and Ethan needed to take a page out of daphne and Cameron’s book to keep it going.

"HAD". They had it. Now the mutual trust and honesty is gone. Wiped out. After this trip, they will never give each other the benefit of the doubt again. Ethan knows he got away with banging Daphne and he is going to keep that secret tight and be emboldened that he can do this stuff and keep Harper happy because "what she doesn't know cant' hurt her"---the MO of many husbands that love their wives but want to bang on the side to feel virile and relieve stress and escape from family pressure.

Vast sums of money changes one’s values. We got to see that in real time with Ethan and Harper.
Be careful what you wish for.

Mo' money, mo' problems.

My sister always says this. We are 50s now and see the people that were so dead set on a 'lifestyle' and material things. My husband and I didn't come from $ and we have it now and we both have a window into a world we didn't come from. It's not pretty like the show demonstrates. I know a lot of miserable people. At some point, you see there are always people that have 'more', a lot more. You get to the 'next level' and you see it keeps going. What you thought was wealth isn't when you then see the next level. But, that's just it. You cannot get caught up in that because it's a recipe for disaster. At some point you need to jump off and come to your senses and be happy with what you have--the real relationships, family, the non-material things. Family is important. Real friendships are important. Striving an and superficiality is a lonely existence. Having people want you for only what you can give to them is not pleasant. What do you want to teach your kids? Do you want them thinking $50 euros is nothing--no big deal? The entitlement and treating people like crap that they think are 'beneath' them. Or do you want to model kindness, empathy and giving back?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Up until the Ethan/Daphne scenario, both Ethan and Harper’s transgressions were the same- a sloppy kiss they didn’t want in an out of character moment. Ethan took it home with Daphne bc it his fragile ego. Gross.

Great ending. I thought the piano man was going to take out Mia. But I loved how it ended.

My take away was that Ethan and Harper were shown that they are not so unlike Cameron and Daphne. They both cheated but look how happy they were in the Airport waiting for their flight. It took both people in the elation ship cheating so that they could find happiness in their relationship.

I agree. I also think it shows stages of the marriages. Cam and Daphne have kids, are further along with more stress in their life. Ethan and Harper are very idealist at the outset of the vacation. By the end, they cheat too...and weirdly brought them closer. "What you almost lose makes you appreciate it more' type logic. But, I also think it's Harper and Ethan's transition into the life of the ultra wealthy. They are doing things they never would have done before the $ came along and they got jaded. Ethan might end up like Cam. He seemed to get a lot of power from cheating with Daphne and he appeared to really like that feeling. Harper is happy to have him back and loving again...and ripe to end up like Daphne---married to a rich guy she loves, but has to make sacrifices/excuses for..and she might do things to 'not feel like a victim' too going forward.

I think Ethan and Harper had what most people think of as the ideal marriage- mutual respect, trust, honesty. But that steadiness also killed their spark. Daphne and Cameron’s marriage is full of lies and deception but the uncertainty and mystery keeps the passion alive. I think the show’s thesis is that too much familiarity is a bad thing and Harper and Ethan needed to take a page out of daphne and Cameron’s book to keep it going.

"HAD". They had it. Now the mutual trust and honesty is gone. Wiped out. After this trip, they will never give each other the benefit of the doubt again. Ethan knows he got away with banging Daphne and he is going to keep that secret tight and be emboldened that he can do this stuff and keep Harper happy because "what she doesn't know cant' hurt her"---the MO of many husbands that love their wives but want to bang on the side to feel virile and relieve stress and escape from family pressure.

Vast sums of money changes one’s values. We got to see that in real time with Ethan and Harper.
Be careful what you wish for.

Mo' money, mo' problems.

My sister always says this. We are 50s now and see the people that were so dead set on a 'lifestyle' and material things. My husband and I didn't come from $ and we have it now and we both have a window into a world we didn't come from. It's not pretty like the show demonstrates. I know a lot of miserable people. At some point, you see there are always people that have 'more', a lot more. You get to the 'next level' and you see it keeps going. What you thought was wealth isn't when you then see the next level. But, that's just it. You cannot get caught up in that because it's a recipe for disaster. At some point you need to jump off and come to your senses and be happy with what you have--the real relationships, family, the non-material things. Family is important. Real friendships are important. Striving an and superficiality is a lonely existence. Having people want you for only what you can give to them is not pleasant. What do you want to teach your kids? Do you want them thinking $50 euros is nothing--no big deal? The entitlement and treating people like crap that they think are 'beneath' them. Or do you want to model kindness, empathy and giving back?

^$50k euros

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Anonymous wrote:Tanya’s last day was extremely tortured and her death was painful to watch.

Yeah, it was. She was so flustered. There were a million other choices she could have made, from tying the rope to the banister to finding a ladder but, I mean, as a woman her size (though a bit younger) you do start to feel a bit less agile as the years go by. Jumping off of a boat and then climbing into another isn't an easy feat.

It’s just too sad she doesn’t know boats have doors and layers and a low deck in the back. she didn’t even hit her head on the way down.

Yeah. I thought maybe she’d pop up because her head didn’t hit the boat. I didn’t want her to die

You didn’t hear the thud? We did.

I agree there was a thud although you don’t see it. But I was also waiting for her to open her eyes and struggle back to the surface. But I liked that ending for her- like Mike white said, she figures it out and fights her way out, then dies in a dumb way from her own incompetence (still asking about Greg’s affair). It seemed to work well with her character

+1 many of us thought she was the character with plot armor but there was really nowhere for her character to go. This ending was fitting. I agree Greg will be the connector next season, maybe he's married to a hot young thing for wife 5 and he becomes paranoid she's trying to off him.

Or the riches don't satisfy him the way he anticipated, especially if he has a recurrence and learns death is imminent after all.

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Anonymous wrote:The Lucia / Jack comparison is interesting because Lucia is a sex worker who is sold to viewers as an apparent victim but is really a hustler who’s preying on men’s sympathy like Albie, while Jack is portrayed as a predatory monster but in the end is a real victim of a predatory older man who leverages his power, money, and untold other things over him to manipulate and abuse him.

Not once in the show did Lucia come off as a victim. She was a major swindler and acted that way from day 1. You think a pimp would let her just disappear and stay at a luxury resort for days? That scene in the village where the guy comes up to her when walking with Albie--didn't buy that for one minute. I knew they were setting up Albie and so did Dom. Dom said to Albie that he was "a mark" at breakfast. Albie was incredibly naive, but wasn't anymore after he got played. Dad was right.

No that’s not what happened. Albie played his dad, don’t you see? Dom and his guilty conscience in fact was the mark. The actions of Dom and Bert saddled Albie with tons of guilt for feeling lust toward women. That’s why he was so Beta. What was his price for not feeling that guilt? 50k euros paid by his dad, whose rampant cheating on mom caused this complex to begin with. Albie makes his karmic payment and it up to Lucia to stay with him or not. Either way he is home free to have the really passionate romp he wants to have. Notice he’s not upset when Lucia is gone. He’s just kinda like Dang. That frees him up to look at other women without guilt and to give it another try with Portia.