VMPI-ways to speak out

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Anonymous wrote:Lol, I love this. The liberal elites are getting a taste of their own medicine. I guess this is too progressive for them. Commence the exodus of the public school system.

Exodus because...they might switch up the flow of algebra/geometry content in a few years?

Ok, snowflake.

No, because they are implementing it later. Algebra in 7th grade is very common in Loudoun/Fairfax with algebra 2/trig in 9th. Some kids are a year advanced beyond that.
Now these 7th grade algebra kids will be getting this dumbed-down blended course, effectively algebra in late 8th-9th.
The slightly advanced kids who take algebra in 8th would also be held back, and are very unlikely to be eligible for any advancement counties might provide.

Kids can still take those concepts in 7th. No one is being held back. Stop spreading misinformation.

Perhaps in Fairfax, but in Loudoun kids who would have been taking algebra in 6th grade will now not be taking it until 7th grade. This is a reason for them to exodus separate from the claim of algebra/geometry content flow has been switched up.
This is already implemented, effecting next year's sixth graders. No one will be taking algebra in 6th grade for the first time in many years, when typically there are 50-100 who do so.

That is a Loundon decision, not VDOE/VMPI.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lol, I love this. The liberal elites are getting a taste of their own medicine. I guess this is too progressive for them. Commence the exodus of the public school system.

Exodus because...they might switch up the flow of algebra/geometry content in a few years?

Ok, snowflake.

No, because they are implementing it later. Algebra in 7th grade is very common in Loudoun/Fairfax with algebra 2/trig in 9th. Some kids are a year advanced beyond that.
Now these 7th grade algebra kids will be getting this dumbed-down blended course, effectively algebra in late 8th-9th.
The slightly advanced kids who take algebra in 8th would also be held back, and are very unlikely to be eligible for any advancement counties might provide.

Kids can still take those concepts in 7th. No one is being held back. Stop spreading misinformation.

Kids in Loudoun are scheduled to take the new essential concepts 7 starting in 2023-2024.
Most of these kids would have been in algebra or geometry at that time.

That's not VDOE/VMPI. That is Loudoun.

VDOE/VMPI:
Any changes made to the Mathematics Standards of Learning would be scheduled for classroom level implementation in the 2025-2026 school year.

[Anonymous]

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Any changes made to the Mathematics Standards of Learning would be scheduled for classroom level implementation in the 2025-2026 school year.

That is a confusing statement they have not explained, as they have also said they are implementing changes to the SOLs in 2023.
'Any changes' really means 'All changes'

[Anonymous]

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Stop spreading misinformation or I will report your posts to be deleted.

If the districts offer those classes and allow acceleration, the kids can still take them in 7th grade at their public school. No one is being held back.


STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION.

The one spreading misinformation is you. You said no one is being held back. I demonstrated that this is the case in Loudoun.
You say this is because of Loudoun, not VMPI. Loudoun implemented changes in response to VMPI.
This would be a reason for Loudoun kids to exodus from LCPS, different from the reason you sarcastically suggested, of switching algebra/geometry content flow.
There are other counties that have also implemented changes in line with VMPI's original recommendations.
Regardless of VMPI's current stance, for any county that has removed advancement, that lack of advancement would be a reason to exodus.
It is irrelevant what VMPI currently says is allowed if the facts on the ground in local schools do not have advancement, or tracking.

[Anonymous]

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No, because they are implementing it later. Algebra in 7th grade is very common in Loudoun/Fairfax with algebra 2/trig in 9th. Some kids are a year advanced beyond that.
Now these 7th grade algebra kids will be getting this dumbed-down blended course, effectively algebra in late 8th-9th.
The slightly advanced kids who take algebra in 8th would also be held back, and are very unlikely to be eligible for any advancement counties might provide.

Kids can still take those concepts in 7th. No one is being held back. Stop spreading misinformation.

They certainly can if they are willing and able to do it outside of school.

Fine for those with parents that have the time, money, inclination to make it happen for them.

Everyone else? Not so much.

Stop spreading misinformation or I will report your posts to be deleted.

If the districts offer those classes and allow acceleration, the kids can still take them in 7th grade at their public school. No one is being held back.


STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION.

That is two IFs that are not the case everywhere. Therefore, your claim that 'no one is being held back' is false.
Kids who would have been eligible for acceleration, in districts that stopped acceleration, will be held back.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
Any changes made to the Mathematics Standards of Learning would be scheduled for classroom level implementation in the 2025-2026 school year.

That is a confusing statement they have not explained, as they have also said they are implementing changes to the SOLs in 2023.
'Any changes' really means 'All changes'

No - they are finalizing and approving the changes to the SOLs in 2023. They don't get fully implemented out until two years later.

Here is an example of how the last batch of changes went through:
https://www.doe.virginia.gov/administrators/superintendents_memos/2016/244-16.shtml
2016/17 - approved
2017/18 - crosswalk (test out changes to assessments)
2018/19 - full implementation

[Anonymous]

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No, because they are implementing it later. Algebra in 7th grade is very common in Loudoun/Fairfax with algebra 2/trig in 9th. Some kids are a year advanced beyond that.
Now these 7th grade algebra kids will be getting this dumbed-down blended course, effectively algebra in late 8th-9th.
The slightly advanced kids who take algebra in 8th would also be held back, and are very unlikely to be eligible for any advancement counties might provide.

Kids can still take those concepts in 7th. No one is being held back. Stop spreading misinformation.

They certainly can if they are willing and able to do it outside of school.

Fine for those with parents that have the time, money, inclination to make it happen for them.

Everyone else? Not so much.

Stop spreading misinformation or I will report your posts to be deleted.

If the districts offer those classes and allow acceleration, the kids can still take them in 7th grade at their public school. No one is being held back.


STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION.

That is two IFs that are not the case everywhere. Therefore, your claim that 'no one is being held back' is false.
Kids who would have been eligible for acceleration, in districts that stopped acceleration, will be held back.

That has ZERO to do with VPMI.

Go start a new thread about LCPS's proposed changes. This thread is about VMPI.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Stop spreading misinformation or I will report your posts to be deleted.

If the districts offer those classes and allow acceleration, the kids can still take them in 7th grade at their public school. No one is being held back.


STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION.

The one spreading misinformation is you. You said no one is being held back. I demonstrated that this is the case in Loudoun.
You say this is because of Loudoun, not VMPI. Loudoun implemented changes in response to VMPI.
This would be a reason for Loudoun kids to exodus from LCPS, different from the reason you sarcastically suggested, of switching algebra/geometry content flow.
There are other counties that have also implemented changes in line with VMPI's original recommendations.
Regardless of VMPI's current stance, for any county that has removed advancement, that lack of advancement would be a reason to exodus.
It is irrelevant what VMPI currently says is allowed if the facts on the ground in local schools do not have advancement, or tracking.

Maybe some dumba$$ in Loudoun misunderstood VMPI.

But VMPI is still early stages (clearly) and hasn't even provided a draft to the revised SOLs yet. Why on earth would LCPS make changes based on something that is still so early stages?

Go start a thread about LCPS - any changes are not coming from VDOE/VMPI.

[Anonymous]

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No, because they are implementing it later. Algebra in 7th grade is very common in Loudoun/Fairfax with algebra 2/trig in 9th. Some kids are a year advanced beyond that.
Now these 7th grade algebra kids will be getting this dumbed-down blended course, effectively algebra in late 8th-9th.
The slightly advanced kids who take algebra in 8th would also be held back, and are very unlikely to be eligible for any advancement counties might provide.

Kids can still take those concepts in 7th. No one is being held back. Stop spreading misinformation.

They certainly can if they are willing and able to do it outside of school.

Fine for those with parents that have the time, money, inclination to make it happen for them.

Everyone else? Not so much.

Stop spreading misinformation or I will report your posts to be deleted.

If the districts offer those classes and allow acceleration, the kids can still take them in 7th grade at their public school. No one is being held back.


STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION.

That is two IFs that are not the case everywhere. Therefore, your claim that 'no one is being held back' is false.
Kids who would have been eligible for acceleration, in districts that stopped acceleration, will be held back.

That has ZERO to do with VPMI.

Go start a new thread about LCPS's proposed changes. This thread is about VMPI.

This is not true. I sent an e-mail to the principal earlier this year about 6th graders taking algebra. His response:
No. Rising 6th graders are testing for eligibility to take Pre-Algebra as there is a new state, and thus LCPS, progression for mathematics that will affect them as they enter middle school.

[Anonymous]

When you say 'no one is being held back' due to VMPI, you are speculating.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Stop spreading misinformation or I will report your posts to be deleted.

If the districts offer those classes and allow acceleration, the kids can still take them in 7th grade at their public school. No one is being held back.


STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION.

The one spreading misinformation is you. You said no one is being held back. I demonstrated that this is the case in Loudoun.
You say this is because of Loudoun, not VMPI. Loudoun implemented changes in response to VMPI.
This would be a reason for Loudoun kids to exodus from LCPS, different from the reason you sarcastically suggested, of switching algebra/geometry content flow.
There are other counties that have also implemented changes in line with VMPI's original recommendations.
Regardless of VMPI's current stance, for any county that has removed advancement, that lack of advancement would be a reason to exodus.
It is irrelevant what VMPI currently says is allowed if the facts on the ground in local schools do not have advancement, or tracking.

Maybe some dumba$$ in Loudoun misunderstood VMPI.

But VMPI is still early stages (clearly) and hasn't even provided a draft to the revised SOLs yet. Why on earth would LCPS make changes based on something that is still so early stages?

Go start a thread about LCPS - any changes are not coming from VDOE/VMPI.

Because the committee has been discussing these changes for over a year. They gave a heads up the county staff who you call Maybe some dumba$$ in Loudoun misunderstood VMPI.
They understood very clearly and implemented changes in anticipation. They didn't know VMPI would reverse course after the backlash once they informed the school board of the changes they implemented five months prior.
Their reason for implementing the changes- they 'knew' there would be new SOLs and new classes 2023, with no tracking. Current 5th graders they downgraded the advancement by one year, and current 4th graders they downgraded to the new standard path.
In 2025-2026, they would be taking Integrated Math 9, and in 2023-2024 they would be in Essential Concepts 7. They did not want to put them on a track to geometry because the plan was for integrated math and the geometry class and algebra class might disappear by then.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Any changes made to the Mathematics Standards of Learning would be scheduled for classroom level implementation in the 2025-2026 school year.

That is a confusing statement they have not explained, as they have also said they are implementing changes to the SOLs in 2023.
'Any changes' really means 'All changes'

No - they are finalizing and approving the changes to the SOLs in 2023. They don't get fully implemented out until two years later.

Here is an example of how the last batch of changes went through:
https://www.doe.virginia.gov/administrators/superintendents_memos/2016/244-16.shtml
2016/17 - approved
2017/18 - crosswalk (test out changes to assessments)
2018/19 - full implementation

Thanks. That explains the changes to Loudoun's middle school classes in recent years, with different pathways last year, this year, and next year.
However, doing a field test of changes when you are revamping the classes so thoroughly is very difficult. They might have a different plan this time around.
It's not like they can just add a few topics to the SOL when they are blending 3 or 4 classes together.

[Anonymous]

They do have the same three year crosswalk implementation listed on their website. It looks like Loudoun will roll out two years in advance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lol, I love this. The liberal elites are getting a taste of their own medicine. I guess this is too progressive for them. Commence the exodus of the public school system.

Exodus because...they might switch up the flow of algebra/geometry content in a few years?

Ok, snowflake.

No, because they are implementing it later. Algebra in 7th grade is very common in Loudoun/Fairfax with algebra 2/trig in 9th. Some kids are a year advanced beyond that.
Now these 7th grade algebra kids will be getting this dumbed-down blended course, effectively algebra in late 8th-9th.
The slightly advanced kids who take algebra in 8th would also be held back, and are very unlikely to be eligible for any advancement counties might provide.

Kids can still take those concepts in 7th. No one is being held back. Stop spreading misinformation.

They certainly can if they are willing and able to do it outside of school.

Fine for those with parents that have the time, money, inclination to make it happen for them.

Everyone else? Not so much.

Stop spreading misinformation or I will report your posts to be deleted.

If the districts offer those classes and allow acceleration, the kids can still take them in 7th grade at their public school. No one is being held back.


STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION.

Sounds like the woke liberal will censor you. Don’t upset her 😆

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lol, I love this. The liberal elites are getting a taste of their own medicine. I guess this is too progressive for them. Commence the exodus of the public school system.

Exodus because...they might switch up the flow of algebra/geometry content in a few years?

Ok, snowflake.

No, because they are implementing it later. Algebra in 7th grade is very common in Loudoun/Fairfax with algebra 2/trig in 9th. Some kids are a year advanced beyond that.
Now these 7th grade algebra kids will be getting this dumbed-down blended course, effectively algebra in late 8th-9th.
The slightly advanced kids who take algebra in 8th would also be held back, and are very unlikely to be eligible for any advancement counties might provide.

Kids can still take those concepts in 7th. No one is being held back. Stop spreading misinformation.

They certainly can if they are willing and able to do it outside of school.

Fine for those with parents that have the time, money, inclination to make it happen for them.

Everyone else? Not so much.

Stop spreading misinformation or I will report your posts to be deleted.

If the districts offer those classes and allow acceleration, the kids can still take them in 7th grade at their public school. No one is being held back.


STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION.

Sounds like the woke liberal will censor you. Don’t upset her 😆

I mean the woke liberal “stop spreading misinformation” poster will censor you