ECNL and GA Friendly Scrimmages this weekend

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Anonymous wrote:You NoVA folks have lost your minds. FCV and McLean still attract significant talent. Arlington is keeping its talent for the most part. BRYC is done. Metro United is done. VDA will produce a good team here and there but don't have the geographical pull to be anything other than a competitive club. The wildcards are Loudoun and GA. If FCV can't get into ECNL and GA dies, FCV has lost is pull. Loudoun will benefit. Arlington will return to feeding McLean. BRYC might recover it it manages with FCV.

As other PP stated, 05-03 is under an old order. The 06 teams and below is new era. VDA producing high quality teams in this age group (06/08s) as well as Loudoun. The only constant for all age groups seems to be Richmond United as they don't have to fight amongst themselves. The whole Arlington and FCV not being in ENCL is real and they'll rot on the vine.

The poster is a .......There is no old order and new order. Apply a higher level of thinking when it comes to deal with posters.

NOVA cam absolutely field 4 NOVA teams. That’s not issue. It’s the 4 ECNL and 3 GA that allows for “watering down”

The GA will die off. If they plucked FCV and Tophat for the east coast GA is dead in this area.

FCV will not get ECNL. They will have to move. ECNL gave their spot Loudoun. They will not create a situation where they have to fight for the same pool. Whether you like it or not, Loudoun is the biggest pool in VA.

If FCV shut down operations at Evergreen, which they may because they are owned by a group in Springfield, Loudoun will become a force. If FCV moved to BRYC, they would be 10 minutes from TSJ....who they are owned by. They then create a partnership and get back in ECNL will creating new customers for TSJ.

How long do you think TSJ, who is dealing with the financial hardships from COVID, will allow their team to pay fees at evergreen versus pocketing the money?

Arlington will reestablish a partnership with McLean.

So you’re telling me that the one thing keeping Loudoun from being a force is a girls soccer club that can barely manage two teams per age group?

1. Loudoun girls first issue is the arrogance that came with the huge player pool.
2. The way they treated parents and players
3. Losing every good player after U13 to FCV
4. Not having an elite platform
5. More arrogance and nepotism.
6. Too much parent involvement

Loudoun, without a shadow of a doubt, COULD become the greatest force in NOVA. First, they wil have to create an environment that allows for it.

If FCV moves to Springfield and Metros, who is not even a player but has some good players, falls out of favor with players because of the weakness of the GA, BRYC will strengthen. Same thing with Arlington that will strengthen McLean.

Here’s what you will have.

PWC - VDA
Loudoun - Loudoun
Western- Central Fairfax - BRYC
Northern Fairfax and Arlington- McLean

As soon a GA clubs except their demise, thing will get back to normal. It’s coming. Just a question how fast.

That doesn't mean any of those best GA players will flock to Loudoun. They haven't proven anything to top players and, frankly, assuming the GA demise, Loudoun will still not attract those players. What Will happen is McLean, VDA and BRYC will get stronger.

The nepotism, arrogance that is Loudoun will be even worse without GA.

I'm sorry, but Loudoun is not, and never will be a destination club with the current leadership. They are nothing more than the biggest Rec club in Virginia. Their money is made in rec and the lower travel teams. They are not incentivized to improve ECNL or change the way they are doing things.

Let’s get a few things straight.

Kids don’t flock to Loudoun. Loudoun already has them. They don’t need to be a destination club. They need the ability to hold what they have.

Let’s be crystal clear, it is FCV that needs Loudouns players. FCV does not have a pool. Think about that. Really really let that sink in. Zero pool.

Truth be told, it’s Arlington l, Loudoun and VDA that should have ECNL and everyone else can go.

Now, that’s not going to happen but that is where the true player pools are.

They don't need kids to flock to them?

WOW, talk about arrogance. Good luck with that.

You understand that kids flock to PDA, Top Hat etc. They do not rely on kids they selected at 8-9 years old and assume that's all they'll ever need.

1. I bet you have zero understanding how Tophat, PDA, Hawks, Solar, Surf, Stars, Courage, Texans, and other big name club you want to name works.
2. You twisted my words to make a stupid point without having understanding of the landscape. I said, and I stand by it, that Loudoun has the biggest player pool in Virginia. Once you accept that you will accept the fact that their issue isn’t about attracting players. It’s retaining players.
3. FCV issue is the opposite. They must attract players. Hence the non-stop marketing. The issue for them is two fold now. One is Loudoun has ECNL. The second is GA is dying and clubs that remain in it will find it hard to retain and attract talent. Clubs like FCV who rely of other club pools will struggle.

For the record, we are not a Loudoun Soccer family and not personally a fan. However, I can easily see what’s in front of me.

You completely don't understand that Loudoun has squandered its player pool for years and will continue to do so. Loudoun seems to miss the point that a player pool is only half the equation. The other half is quality cohesive development across the entire club. There is no implemented style of play. There is no real coaching oversight. And all of this is fine for 95% of the players at the club, the ones who are on team B through Z. But they don't offer a true in club pathway and their top teams are stagnant through the years. They will never be a force because they will not do the hard work to become one, instead they just sit back and cash their rec checks.

NP - not a fan of LS in general, but there's a big piece of the equation that's changed in recent years regarding the squandering their player pool. Before ECNL, there was no path for the U13s and above. Playing yet another year of CCL wasn't in the best interest of the top players......so they left. For FCV and/or McLean, who were the only (ECNL) players in town. This happened for years. To all the top Loudoun players. Teams were good young....and then left, for a better platform. This is a big part of how/why FCV continued to be a force. They don't have a pool of their own, but they didn't need one. Now things have changed. Loudoun now offers a path, and most of their players are staying. Is their coaching good? I don't know. Will they start to develop top teams at the younger levels of ECNL as they work up? I don't know. But the landscape has changed, and it's not good for FCV on multiple fronts (player pool, GA, etc.).

They have retained players which is a plus.

However, they are not attracting outside players and their coaching has not improved.

So whatever their teams are at U13 is what their team will be 90% of moving forward. They will fail to add new talent and their coaching is not up to the challenge of helping the current kids make the next step. In short they will remain at or slightly decline due to other club teams improving overall.

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they are doing a "virtual" camp so they are inviting at least double the amount of kids they usually do

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Anonymous wrote:You NoVA folks have lost your minds. FCV and McLean still attract significant talent. Arlington is keeping its talent for the most part. BRYC is done. Metro United is done. VDA will produce a good team here and there but don't have the geographical pull to be anything other than a competitive club. The wildcards are Loudoun and GA. If FCV can't get into ECNL and GA dies, FCV has lost is pull. Loudoun will benefit. Arlington will return to feeding McLean. BRYC might recover it it manages with FCV.

As other PP stated, 05-03 is under an old order. The 06 teams and below is new era. VDA producing high quality teams in this age group (06/08s) as well as Loudoun. The only constant for all age groups seems to be Richmond United as they don't have to fight amongst themselves. The whole Arlington and FCV not being in ENCL is real and they'll rot on the vine.

The poster is a .......There is no old order and new order. Apply a higher level of thinking when it comes to deal with posters.

NOVA cam absolutely field 4 NOVA teams. That’s not issue. It’s the 4 ECNL and 3 GA that allows for “watering down”

The GA will die off. If they plucked FCV and Tophat for the east coast GA is dead in this area.

FCV will not get ECNL. They will have to move. ECNL gave their spot Loudoun. They will not create a situation where they have to fight for the same pool. Whether you like it or not, Loudoun is the biggest pool in VA.

If FCV shut down operations at Evergreen, which they may because they are owned by a group in Springfield, Loudoun will become a force. If FCV moved to BRYC, they would be 10 minutes from TSJ....who they are owned by. They then create a partnership and get back in ECNL will creating new customers for TSJ.

How long do you think TSJ, who is dealing with the financial hardships from COVID, will allow their team to pay fees at evergreen versus pocketing the money?

Arlington will reestablish a partnership with McLean.

So you’re telling me that the one thing keeping Loudoun from being a force is a girls soccer club that can barely manage two teams per age group?

1. Loudoun girls first issue is the arrogance that came with the huge player pool.
2. The way they treated parents and players
3. Losing every good player after U13 to FCV
4. Not having an elite platform
5. More arrogance and nepotism.
6. Too much parent involvement

Loudoun, without a shadow of a doubt, COULD become the greatest force in NOVA. First, they wil have to create an environment that allows for it.

If FCV moves to Springfield and Metros, who is not even a player but has some good players, falls out of favor with players because of the weakness of the GA, BRYC will strengthen. Same thing with Arlington that will strengthen McLean.

Here’s what you will have.

PWC - VDA
Loudoun - Loudoun
Western- Central Fairfax - BRYC
Northern Fairfax and Arlington- McLean

As soon a GA clubs except their demise, thing will get back to normal. It’s coming. Just a question how fast.

That doesn't mean any of those best GA players will flock to Loudoun. They haven't proven anything to top players and, frankly, assuming the GA demise, Loudoun will still not attract those players. What Will happen is McLean, VDA and BRYC will get stronger.

The nepotism, arrogance that is Loudoun will be even worse without GA.

I'm sorry, but Loudoun is not, and never will be a destination club with the current leadership. They are nothing more than the biggest Rec club in Virginia. Their money is made in rec and the lower travel teams. They are not incentivized to improve ECNL or change the way they are doing things.

Let’s get a few things straight.

Kids don’t flock to Loudoun. Loudoun already has them. They don’t need to be a destination club. They need the ability to hold what they have.

Let’s be crystal clear, it is FCV that needs Loudouns players. FCV does not have a pool. Think about that. Really really let that sink in. Zero pool.

Truth be told, it’s Arlington l, Loudoun and VDA that should have ECNL and everyone else can go.

Now, that’s not going to happen but that is where the true player pools are.

They don't need kids to flock to them?

WOW, talk about arrogance. Good luck with that.

You understand that kids flock to PDA, Top Hat etc. They do not rely on kids they selected at 8-9 years old and assume that's all they'll ever need.

1. I bet you have zero understanding how Tophat, PDA, Hawks, Solar, Surf, Stars, Courage, Texans, and other big name club you want to name works.
2. You twisted my words to make a stupid point without having understanding of the landscape. I said, and I stand by it, that Loudoun has the biggest player pool in Virginia. Once you accept that you will accept the fact that their issue isn’t about attracting players. It’s retaining players.
3. FCV issue is the opposite. They must attract players. Hence the non-stop marketing. The issue for them is two fold now. One is Loudoun has ECNL. The second is GA is dying and clubs that remain in it will find it hard to retain and attract talent. Clubs like FCV who rely of other club pools will struggle.

For the record, we are not a Loudoun Soccer family and not personally a fan. However, I can easily see what’s in front of me.

You completely don't understand that Loudoun has squandered its player pool for years and will continue to do so. Loudoun seems to miss the point that a player pool is only half the equation. The other half is quality cohesive development across the entire club. There is no implemented style of play. There is no real coaching oversight. And all of this is fine for 95% of the players at the club, the ones who are on team B through Z. But they don't offer a true in club pathway and their top teams are stagnant through the years. They will never be a force because they will not do the hard work to become one, instead they just sit back and cash their rec checks.

NP - not a fan of LS in general, but there's a big piece of the equation that's changed in recent years regarding the squandering their player pool. Before ECNL, there was no path for the U13s and above. Playing yet another year of CCL wasn't in the best interest of the top players......so they left. For FCV and/or McLean, who were the only (ECNL) players in town. This happened for years. To all the top Loudoun players. Teams were good young....and then left, for a better platform. This is a big part of how/why FCV continued to be a force. They don't have a pool of their own, but they didn't need one. Now things have changed. Loudoun now offers a path, and most of their players are staying. Is their coaching good? I don't know. Will they start to develop top teams at the younger levels of ECNL as they work up? I don't know. But the landscape has changed, and it's not good for FCV on multiple fronts (player pool, GA, etc.).

They have retained players which is a plus.

However, they are not attracting outside players and their coaching has not improved.

So whatever their teams are at U13 is what their team will be 90% of moving forward. They will fail to add new talent and their coaching is not up to the challenge of helping the current kids make the next step. In short they will remain at or slightly decline due to other club teams improving overall.

Loudoun Soccer is contempt by bringing dollars in. That much is clear. It was no surprised how the Spring 2020 was handled and how they explicitly stated they “would not survive another closure”. Luckily for them (the 5-6 individuals bringing home 150-180k) there was no closure last Fall.

That being said, all you need is to see their training sessions in person and hear their players speak out outside the club environment.

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What were the scores ?

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FCV lost 100-0 in all age groups

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This thread has clearly been infiltrated by immature youth players or mad parents. I don't have a horse in this race but clearly FCV is the real deal. Between Fox being selected as the NWSL 1st pick and the 04 05 group sending three players to the YNL training, FCV is doing something right. No other local club comes close to matching that record.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has clearly been infiltrated by immature youth players or mad parents. I don't have a horse in this race but clearly FCV is the real deal. Between Fox being selected as the NWSL 1st pick and the 04 05 group sending three players to the YNL training, FCV is doing something right. No other local club comes close to matching that record.

As a Loudoun soccer dad I have admit this is true. There’s no denying it. And I hate to say it because of all the back and forth between my club and FCV. Nonetheless I will not be sad if my DD ends up leaving. The last 3 years have been a massive disappointment and a complete downhill with no brakes regarding club organization, communication and coaching - or lack thereof.

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FCV has an uphill battle being on the GA platform going forward. No reason for top players to leave for FCV from other clubs.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has clearly been infiltrated by immature youth players or mad parents. I don't have a horse in this race but clearly FCV is the real deal. Between Fox being selected as the NWSL 1st pick and the 04 05 group sending three players to the YNL training, FCV is doing something right. No other local club comes close to matching that record.

As a Loudoun soccer dad I have admit this is true. There’s no denying it. And I hate to say it because of all the back and forth between my club and FCV. Nonetheless I will not be sad if my DD ends up leaving. The last 3 years have been a massive disappointment and a complete downhill with no brakes regarding club organization, communication and coaching - or lack thereof.

Lmfao. You think FCV made Emily Fox? Or do you think Emily Fox played at FCV because they were one of two ECNL clubs in the area and it happen to be the one in her backyard?

It’s absolutely absurd that these clubs claim the greatness of their players. These club benefit from having a good name and having good kids flock to them.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has clearly been infiltrated by immature youth players or mad parents. I don't have a horse in this race but clearly FCV is the real deal. Between Fox being selected as the NWSL 1st pick and the 04 05 group sending three players to the YNL training, FCV is doing something right. No other local club comes close to matching that record.

As a Loudoun soccer dad I have admit this is true. There’s no denying it. And I hate to say it because of all the back and forth between my club and FCV. Nonetheless I will not be sad if my DD ends up leaving. The last 3 years have been a massive disappointment and a complete downhill with no brakes regarding club organization, communication and coaching - or lack thereof.

Lmfao. You think FCV made Emily Fox? Or do you think Emily Fox played at FCV because they were one of two ECNL clubs in the area and it happen to be the one in her backyard?

It’s absolutely absurd that these clubs claim the greatness of their players. These club benefit from having a good name and having good kids flock to them.

If FCV was a European club and NWSL was a European league FCV would have been compensated for Emily Fox. Yes, clubs get credit, and in the rest of the world, actual money for developing players.

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Anonymous wrote:FCV has an uphill battle being on the GA platform going forward. No reason for top players to leave for FCV from other clubs.

Are you ignoring everything referenced above? Clearly, parents want there kids to play for the type of club that sends players to the YNT and produced the best college soccer player in the nation.

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Sad that both Pipeline and FCV both have players being represented...both clubs are shady at best on how they recruit players.

Politics is a big part of who gets selected for Camps. Some Clubs/Directors are much dirtier than others. There is no reason why those two players should have been selected over at least 15 other in Maryland and Virginian

I will say FCV runs a distant second to Pipeline in this competition, but FCV still plays dirty...

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Anonymous wrote:Sad that both Pipeline and FCV both have players being represented...both clubs are shady at best on how they recruit players.

Politics is a big part of who gets selected for Camps. Some Clubs/Directors are much dirtier than others. There is no reason why those two players should have been selected over at least 15 other in Maryland and Virginian

I will say FCV runs a distant second to Pipeline in this competition, but FCV still plays dirty...

Not Pipeline dad, but those 2 players are REALLY good. None comparable on any 05 teams that I've seen play.

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Anonymous wrote:FCV has an uphill battle being on the GA platform going forward. No reason for top players to leave for FCV from other clubs.

Are you ignoring everything referenced above? Clearly, parents want there kids to play for the type of club that sends players to the YNT and produced the best college soccer player in the nation.

The YNT camps are largely a popularity contest these days so I don't put too much stock in those. Nevertheless, the players you mention did not develop within the GA platform. PP was simply stating that is harder to develop this class of player in a league with inferior competition.

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Anonymous wrote:Sad that both Pipeline and FCV both have players being represented...both clubs are shady at best on how they recruit players.

Politics is a big part of who gets selected for Camps. Some Clubs/Directors are much dirtier than others. There is no reason why those two players should have been selected over at least 15 other in Maryland and Virginian

I will say FCV runs a distant second to Pipeline in this competition, but FCV still plays dirty...

Pipeline's players have been at the club since u9/u10. FCV has had those players for several years. Both clubs deserve credit. Stop with the insanity.