December 17 - TJ decision?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:At the end of the day only 3% of FCPS high school students will attend TJ. FCPS is committing to an awful lot of additional process to make sure the “right” (qualified yet diverse) kids end up there - they will have need an expanded admissions office with legal counsel watching their every move - while other high and secondary schools are largely ignored or left to function on auto-pilot.

It is a very large investment in “redefining merit.” They run a significant risk that, as more UMC families grow dissatisfied with FCPS’s priorities, they’ll just leave for less stressful - and stressed - systems such as APS and LCPS.

This is why TJ should just be closed and changed to an academy. There are almost NO CLASSES taken during freshman or sophomore year that aren’t offered at the base high schools.

Yes, but I'm pretty sure they are more challenging and deeper than their base school counterpart. Otherwise almost all the TJ kids would be bored and yawning in them. And if there was no TJ, these same kids would be bored and yawning at their local high schools.

Oh, please. You just tell yourself this to defend a status quo that has now been squarely rejected.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Most of those kids attending the NYC magnet schools are lower income immigrant Asian kids.

[Anonymous]

She also called for eliminating magnet schools entirely. FCPS isn’t following her advice (she’s a second-rate historian with an unjustifiably high opinion of herself but no credentials when it comes to education policy).

[Anonymous]

Why are black people always using Asians as a scapegoat? It feels like blacks try to take out their frustrations on Asians.

When I was growing up, black kids made fun of me and my brother. The white kids at school never did this. I clearly remember many Asian small businesses being looted during the Rodney king riots.

To fix systemic racism against blacks, come after the Asians.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:New to this thread and TJ in general. Question - was the issue that black and latino students couldn't get in like in New York or didn't want to go? I guess I'm trying to understand - are certain minority groups not applying or applying and not getting in?

Overtime it's led to both. The admissions test weeded out 2/3 of applicants and left a large Asian dominated applicant pool that some claim was based in part on the means to prep for the test and game the system. As the student body become predominantly Asian over the years, the anecdotal evidence is that high achieving white, black, and Hispanic students stopped applying and stayed with their peers at their base schools because they felt they didn't fit into the culture. Not sure if any of that is true beyond the school being predominantly Asian at this point.

Yes lack of diversity is a problem, but can they actually succeed by forcing diversity onto the school? Look at math and science Phd's; predominantly Asian and white.

They can easily succeed if they choose to and a public high school isn’t remotely comparable to a PhD program

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:New to this thread and TJ in general. Question - was the issue that black and latino students couldn't get in like in New York or didn't want to go? I guess I'm trying to understand - are certain minority groups not applying or applying and not getting in?

Overtime it's led to both. The admissions test weeded out 2/3 of applicants and left a large Asian dominated applicant pool that some claim was based in part on the means to prep for the test and game the system. As the student body become predominantly Asian over the years, the anecdotal evidence is that high achieving white, black, and Hispanic students stopped applying and stayed with their peers at their base schools because they felt they didn't fit into the culture. Not sure if any of that is true beyond the school being predominantly Asian at this point.

Yes lack of diversity is a problem, but can they actually succeed by forcing diversity onto the school? Look at math and science Phd's; predominantly Asian and white.

They can easily succeed if they choose to and a public high school isn’t remotely comparable to a PhD program

Why are blacks so underrepresented in AAP? Fcps should start there.

My kids used to attend an elementary school that supposedly had a young scholars program. The kids who went to AAP were mostly all white and Asian. Fcps really needs to focus on the pipeline early.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:New to this thread and TJ in general. Question - was the issue that black and latino students couldn't get in like in New York or didn't want to go? I guess I'm trying to understand - are certain minority groups not applying or applying and not getting in?

Overtime it's led to both. The admissions test weeded out 2/3 of applicants and left a large Asian dominated applicant pool that some claim was based in part on the means to prep for the test and game the system. As the student body become predominantly Asian over the years, the anecdotal evidence is that high achieving white, black, and Hispanic students stopped applying and stayed with their peers at their base schools because they felt they didn't fit into the culture. Not sure if any of that is true beyond the school being predominantly Asian at this point.

Yes lack of diversity is a problem, but can they actually succeed by forcing diversity onto the school? Look at math and science Phd's; predominantly Asian and white.

They can easily succeed if they choose to and a public high school isn’t remotely comparable to a PhD program

Why are blacks so underrepresented in AAP? Fcps should start there.

My kids used to attend an elementary school that supposedly had a young scholars program. The kids who went to AAP were mostly all white and Asian. Fcps really needs to focus on the pipeline early.

They can do both at the same time

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why are black people always using Asians as a scapegoat? It feels like blacks try to take out their frustrations on Asians.

When I was growing up, black kids made fun of me and my brother. The white kids at school never did this. I clearly remember many Asian small businesses being looted during the Rodney king riots.

To fix systemic racism against blacks, come after the Asians.

You're looking at it the wrong way. Rather: if you want something designed to help the blacks to fail, design it in a way that scapegoats another minority. I'm sure it wasn't the blacks' idea to do that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:New to this thread and TJ in general. Question - was the issue that black and latino students couldn't get in like in New York or didn't want to go? I guess I'm trying to understand - are certain minority groups not applying or applying and not getting in?

Overtime it's led to both. The admissions test weeded out 2/3 of applicants and left a large Asian dominated applicant pool that some claim was based in part on the means to prep for the test and game the system. As the student body become predominantly Asian over the years, the anecdotal evidence is that high achieving white, black, and Hispanic students stopped applying and stayed with their peers at their base schools because they felt they didn't fit into the culture. Not sure if any of that is true beyond the school being predominantly Asian at this point.

Yes lack of diversity is a problem, but can they actually succeed by forcing diversity onto the school? Look at math and science Phd's; predominantly Asian and white.

They can easily succeed if they choose to and a public high school isn’t remotely comparable to a PhD program

Why are blacks so underrepresented in AAP? Fcps should start there.

My kids used to attend an elementary school that supposedly had a young scholars program. The kids who went to AAP were mostly all white and Asian. Fcps really needs to focus on the pipeline early.

Black students actually aren’t “so underrepresented” in AAP. Just look at the data. They are however severely underrepresented at TJ. Also, please don’t say “blacks”.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:New to this thread and TJ in general. Question - was the issue that black and latino students couldn't get in like in New York or didn't want to go? I guess I'm trying to understand - are certain minority groups not applying or applying and not getting in?

Overtime it's led to both. The admissions test weeded out 2/3 of applicants and left a large Asian dominated applicant pool that some claim was based in part on the means to prep for the test and game the system. As the student body become predominantly Asian over the years, the anecdotal evidence is that high achieving white, black, and Hispanic students stopped applying and stayed with their peers at their base schools because they felt they didn't fit into the culture. Not sure if any of that is true beyond the school being predominantly Asian at this point.

Yes lack of diversity is a problem, but can they actually succeed by forcing diversity onto the school? Look at math and science Phd's; predominantly Asian and white.

They can easily succeed if they choose to and a public high school isn’t remotely comparable to a PhD program

Why are blacks so underrepresented in AAP? Fcps should start there.

My kids used to attend an elementary school that supposedly had a young scholars program. The kids who went to AAP were mostly all white and Asian. Fcps really needs to focus on the pipeline early.

This will be the case at the low-yield middle schools. Parents will move and/or pupil place to game the system. The school board knew that this would happen - Karl Frisch talked at this at the very first work sessions. Why did they land on this option when they knew it was very game-able?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why are black people always using Asians as a scapegoat? It feels like blacks try to take out their frustrations on Asians.

When I was growing up, black kids made fun of me and my brother. The white kids at school never did this. I clearly remember many Asian small businesses being looted during the Rodney king riots.

To fix systemic racism against blacks, come after the Asians.

WHAT? Black people fought so Asians could come here. When you got here, we supported you. We allowed you to open businesses in our neighborhoods and patronized those businesses wouldnt you couldnt get such support in the white neighborhoods. Every business was being looted during the riots, not just the Asians. Since you grew up in LA, do you remember Natasha Harlins? Blacks arent the ones coming after you, looks the other way around to me.
Black's are aware the problem is white supremacy, but when asians get screwed by the system, you wanna show white mommy and daddy how you are with them by screwing the Blacks whenever necessary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are black people always using Asians as a scapegoat? It feels like blacks try to take out their frustrations on Asians.

When I was growing up, black kids made fun of me and my brother. The white kids at school never did this. I clearly remember many Asian small businesses being looted during the Rodney king riots.

To fix systemic racism against blacks, come after the Asians.

WHAT? Black people fought so Asians could come here. When you got here, we supported you. We allowed you to open businesses in our neighborhoods and patronized those businesses wouldnt you couldnt get such support in the white neighborhoods. Every business was being looted during the riots, not just the Asians. Since you grew up in LA, do you remember Natasha Harlins? Blacks arent the ones coming after you, looks the other way around to me.
Black's are aware the problem is white supremacy, but when asians get screwed by the system, you wanna show white mommy and daddy how you are with them by screwing the Blacks whenever necessary.

This has gotten real far off topic. The topic was what the FCSB decided the admissions process would be for TJ at the Dec. 17 meeting. We now know and can move forward.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are black people always using Asians as a scapegoat? It feels like blacks try to take out their frustrations on Asians.

When I was growing up, black kids made fun of me and my brother. The white kids at school never did this. I clearly remember many Asian small businesses being looted during the Rodney king riots.

To fix systemic racism against blacks, come after the Asians.

WHAT? Black people fought so Asians could come here. When you got here, we supported you. We allowed you to open businesses in our neighborhoods and patronized those businesses wouldnt you couldnt get such support in the white neighborhoods. Every business was being looted during the riots, not just the Asians. Since you grew up in LA, do you remember Natasha Harlins? Blacks arent the ones coming after you, looks the other way around to me.
Black's are aware the problem is white supremacy, but when asians get screwed by the system, you wanna show white mommy and daddy how you are with them by screwing the Blacks whenever necessary.

I'd bet that there's greater than 0% chance that PP wasn't really Asian.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Black students actually aren’t “so underrepresented” in AAP. Just look at the data. They are however severely underrepresented at TJ. Also, please don’t say “blacks”.

Huh? Last I checked that was the appropriate word to use to refer to that racial group. Just like we'd say "whites," "Asians," "Hispanics," etc.