Student attacked with taser in Oakton HS locker room

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is so scary!! My kids are in elementary but I’m terrified of sending them to high school! We’re in the Chantilly HS zone.

Are private schools any better or do they have bullying and drug dealing too?

Have you ever read any books or watched any movies about private school? Seen any law an order episodes? They have plenty of bullying and drugs too. People are people and this behavior exists everywhere.

[Anonymous]

any lawyers out there who can educate a non lawyer about whether civil suits could be pursued against the alleged perpetrators and their parents?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:any lawyers out there who can educate a non lawyer about whether civil suits could be pursued against the alleged perpetrators and their parents?

What do you hope to fix by doing this? It's a horrible event and the kids need to be punished. Period.

[Anonymous]

Look, the kids who committed this terrible attack should be punished, but they should also be given the opportunity to make amends. They should go through the criminal justice system and face juvenile charges, perhaps even spend some time in a juvenile detention facility — which will likely have a VERY DETERRENT effect. They shouldn’t be transferred to another school, but should be allowed to stay in their current school where everyone knows who they are and what they did. They should be made to engage in public service that will hopefully begin to rehabilitate them. They should be allowed top grow and change, because ultimately they are still kids and we would all benefit it they could become better people, because right now they are pretty deplorable.

Also, all of us who are parents should also take stock of our kids. We all think that our children are angels — and they are! — but they are also human. Let’s not only teach our kids what to do if they are victimized, or if they witness someone else being victimized, but also teach our kids not to victimize other kids. Teach our kids that we should all try to make people feel better about themselves, not worse. Because kids in particular can easily fall victim to the mob mentality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:any lawyers out there who can educate a non lawyer about whether civil suits could be pursued against the alleged perpetrators and their parents?

What do you hope to fix by doing this? It's a horrible event and the kids need to be punished. Period.

Fix? If my kid was attacked by other kids, I would pursue criminal AND civil actions. You can’t answer my question, obviously.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Look, the kids who committed this terrible attack should be punished, but they should also be given the opportunity to make amends. They should go through the criminal justice system and face juvenile charges, perhaps even spend some time in a juvenile detention facility — which will likely have a VERY DETERRENT effect. They shouldn’t be transferred to another school, but should be allowed to stay in their current school where everyone knows who they are and what they did. They should be made to engage in public service that will hopefully begin to rehabilitate them. They should be allowed top grow and change, because ultimately they are still kids and we would all benefit it they could become better people, because right now they are pretty deplorable.

Also, all of us who are parents should also take stock of our kids. We all think that our children are angels — and they are! — but they are also human. Let’s not only teach our kids what to do if they are victimized, or if they witness someone else being victimized, but also teach our kids not to victimize other kids. Teach our kids that we should all try to make people feel better about themselves, not worse. Because kids in particular can easily fall victim to the mob mentality.

Sounds about white.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look, the kids who committed this terrible attack should be punished, but they should also be given the opportunity to make amends. They should go through the criminal justice system and face juvenile charges, perhaps even spend some time in a juvenile detention facility — which will likely have a VERY DETERRENT effect. They shouldn’t be transferred to another school, but should be allowed to stay in their current school where everyone knows who they are and what they did. They should be made to engage in public service that will hopefully begin to rehabilitate them. They should be allowed top grow and change, because ultimately they are still kids and we would all benefit it they could become better people, because right now they are pretty deplorable.

Also, all of us who are parents should also take stock of our kids. We all think that our children are angels — and they are! — but they are also human. Let’s not only teach our kids what to do if they are victimized, or if they witness someone else being victimized, but also teach our kids not to victimize other kids. Teach our kids that we should all try to make people feel better about themselves, not worse. Because kids in particular can easily fall victim to the mob mentality.

Sounds about white.

heh, heh

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look, the kids who committed this terrible attack should be punished, but they should also be given the opportunity to make amends. They should go through the criminal justice system and face juvenile charges, perhaps even spend some time in a juvenile detention facility — which will likely have a VERY DETERRENT effect. They shouldn’t be transferred to another school, but should be allowed to stay in their current school where everyone knows who they are and what they did. They should be made to engage in public service that will hopefully begin to rehabilitate them. They should be allowed top grow and change, because ultimately they are still kids and we would all benefit it they could become better people, because right now they are pretty deplorable.

Also, all of us who are parents should also take stock of our kids. We all think that our children are angels — and they are! — but they are also human. Let’s not only teach our kids what to do if they are victimized, or if they witness someone else being victimized, but also teach our kids not to victimize other kids. Teach our kids that we should all try to make people feel better about themselves, not worse. Because kids in particular can easily fall victim to the mob mentality.

Sounds about white.

Huh? How does that “sound about white”? B/c I think these kids should face criminal charges? B/c I think they should serve time? B/c I think that passing them off to some other school doesn’t really solve the problem? If these kids parents have any money, they will simply enroll their kids in private school before having them enrolled in some alternative school. Look, if an alternative school is the best option, I’m all for it. But I’d rather have these kids publicly shamed in their current school.

And, btw, I’m not white.

[Anonymous]

It is interesting how we hold suburban kids to much higher standards than urban ones.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is interesting how we hold suburban kids to much higher standards than urban ones.

How so in this instance?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Kid is at oakton.

Kid said that a student who witnessed this assault reported it LAST week to a trusted adult at the school.

Typical FCPS fashion not a damn thing was done.

Mom (or someone close to) of victim sent video to news 4.

Thankful that news 4 actually followed through!

Oakton High obviously had a prison culture.

Admin should all be replaced as should SRO. WTF are they not doing that they either don’t know what’s actually happening in their effing school? Seriously! W T F

I don’t trust that my kids are safe and secure at that school-definitely not in the locker room! Which begs the question where TF was the PE teacher? Time for FCPS to mandate two adults in all locker rooms!

Your principal is like a warden. Shit stays calm when the warden is on game! The staff are the guards. Again, the school or prison is only as safe as the people running it. Time to clean up the shit that allows this kind of assault to take place.

Final thought - if kids had been, oh I don’t know, black, would we even be having this conversation? My guess is no since it would’ve been reported and kid would’ve been cuffed. Maybe it’s true that UMC white boys are untouchable

If previous history is any indication. The majority of the posters on this site would start making excuses about "boys being boys" or a bad situation at home is the cause of their behavior.

Discharging illegally possessed firearms in public at places like the National Zoo? Assaulting riders of the Metro? Oh thats just teens acting up, nothing to see there!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is interesting how we hold suburban kids to much higher standards than urban ones.

This is actually not a bad thing. It just means certain parents care more about their childs behavior and environment while growing up than others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I have seen happen in FCPS is that admin treats the bully as a victim, and blames the victim in any way possible. They’ll say “oh, if it was really a problem, he would have told someone or gotten help”. Bullying has a paralyzing effect such that victims usually do not speak up. That’s why bystanders are so important. Recognize subtle signs and look out for each other. Do not blame victims! Do not assume they are ok, just because they aren’t crying/screaming for help. The long lasting psychological effects of extreme bullying are similar to being in a war-torn country.

+1

FCPS close ranks and simply don't want to deal with the real issue. If someone is a known drug dealer, for example, it is easy to get rid of that student or small group of students, because they are a known problem doing something blatantly illegal, repeatedly. If someone is a bully, they are sneaky by nature. FCPS has cameras, and are extremely careful what they show the victim's families. FCPS has a lawyer behind this, because FCPS has years of experience, and they need to protect their "brand". It's not such a great school system, but it is extremely large. People from outside the area are sometimes impressed with that.

They do not get rid of drug dealers. Plenty have been caught and remain at school.

You are correct.

Even if they did manage to nab a few HS "drug dealers", more would instantly take their place. As long as your kids want to try or do drugs, someone will be able to facilitate for them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Look, the kids who committed this terrible attack should be punished, but they should also be given the opportunity to make amends. They should go through the criminal justice system and face juvenile charges, perhaps even spend some time in a juvenile detention facility — which will likely have a VERY DETERRENT effect. They shouldn’t be transferred to another school, but should be allowed to stay in their current school where everyone knows who they are and what they did. They should be made to engage in public service that will hopefully begin to rehabilitate them. They should be allowed top grow and change, because ultimately they are still kids and we would all benefit it they could become better people, because right now they are pretty deplorable.

Also, all of us who are parents should also take stock of our kids. We all think that our children are angels — and they are! — but they are also human. Let’s not only teach our kids what to do if they are victimized, or if they witness someone else being victimized, but also teach our kids not to victimize other kids. Teach our kids that we should all try to make people feel better about themselves, not worse. Because kids in particular can easily fall victim to the mob mentality.

Every time something like this happens I make it very clear to my kids that I would be ashamed to be their mother if they were the perpetrators.

[Anonymous]

That's good that your kids would consider your feelings.
Somehow I don't think these particular perp kids would be influenced by such a statement.