Remind me why we hate Jon Gosselin?

[Anonymous]

They both have discussed their fertility treatments on air. I can't believe I used to watch their show when it first came out years and years ago, but I specifically remember her claim that even though they had twins, she wanted to know what it was like to have a one baby vs a multiple, so she convinced John to do another round. I can't remember if she did IVF or IUI but they did something. It's on one of the earliest episodes. I am so ashamed that I know this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They both have discussed their fertility treatments on air. I can't believe I used to watch their show when it first came out years and years ago, but I specifically remember her claim that even though they had twins, she wanted to know what it was like to have a one baby vs a multiple, so she convinced John to do another round. I can't remember if she did IVF or IUI but they did something. It's on one of the earliest episodes. I am so ashamed that I know this.

This is one of those things where I think that they had fertility issues and Kate, in particular, really wanted another baby. She probably did do everything she could to optimize her chances of becoming pregnant again. I do not think that she planned to have SEXTUPLETS. If people could plan that, there would be more people doing just that.

Sextuplets are rare for good reason. They are not common or something that you "go for" - they happen!

[Anonymous]

Also, finding out that you are pregnant with six babies is not really great news. The chances of you losing the entire pregnancy are much, much greater than if you were only carrying one baby. Actually carrying 6 healthy baby at once to term is not common!

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Anonymous wrote:They both have discussed their fertility treatments on air. I can't believe I used to watch their show when it first came out years and years ago, but I specifically remember her claim that even though they had twins, she wanted to know what it was like to have a one baby vs a multiple, so she convinced John to do another round. I can't remember if she did IVF or IUI but they did something. It's on one of the earliest episodes. I am so ashamed that I know this.

This is one of those things where I think that they had fertility issues and Kate, in particular, really wanted another baby. She probably did do everything she could to optimize her chances of becoming pregnant again. I do not think that she planned to have SEXTUPLETS. If people could plan that, there would be more people doing just that.

Sextuplets are rare for good reason. They are not common or something that you "go for" - they happen!

She wanted multiples, and refused to have them reduce.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Also, finding out that you are pregnant with six babies is not really great news. The chances of you losing the entire pregnancy are much, much greater than if you were only carrying one baby. Actually carrying 6 healthy baby at once to term is not common!

She was pregnant with 7, actually. Yes, sigh, I used to watch it in the beginning, too. #teamjon

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Anonymous wrote:They both have discussed their fertility treatments on air. I can't believe I used to watch their show when it first came out years and years ago, but I specifically remember her claim that even though they had twins, she wanted to know what it was like to have a one baby vs a multiple, so she convinced John to do another round. I can't remember if she did IVF or IUI but they did something. It's on one of the earliest episodes. I am so ashamed that I know this.

This is one of those things where I think that they had fertility issues and Kate, in particular, really wanted another baby. She probably did do everything she could to optimize her chances of becoming pregnant again. I do not think that she planned to have SEXTUPLETS. If people could plan that, there would be more people doing just that.

Sextuplets are rare for good reason. They are not common or something that you "go for" - they happen!

She wanted multiples, and refused to have them reduce.

She got pregnant with multiples and, after having struggled with infertility, could not bring herself to selectively reduce. Honestly, I don't think I could have done it either.

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Anonymous wrote:Also, finding out that you are pregnant with six babies is not really great news. The chances of you losing the entire pregnancy are much, much greater than if you were only carrying one baby. Actually carrying 6 healthy baby at once to term is not common!

She was pregnant with 7, actually. Yes, sigh, I used to watch it in the beginning, too. #teamjon

Was Jon not involved in the conception of these babies? I so love how people are ready to give this former stripper, table waiting man ho a pass.

[Anonymous]

^And, fwiw, I'm not putting down strippers or waiters. I am saying that Jon is not sincere in saying that he wanted his "normal life" back. Otherwise, he would have gone back to his IT job, bought a modest house that he and his kids could live in and demonstrated that he actually wanted to co-parent his kids.

This man, who so wanted out of the limelight, was out *stripping* for attention and very visibly sleeping around! He is beyond ridiculous!

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Anonymous wrote:They both have discussed their fertility treatments on air. I can't believe I used to watch their show when it first came out years and years ago, but I specifically remember her claim that even though they had twins, she wanted to know what it was like to have a one baby vs a multiple, so she convinced John to do another round. I can't remember if she did IVF or IUI but they did something. It's on one of the earliest episodes. I am so ashamed that I know this.

This is one of those things where I think that they had fertility issues and Kate, in particular, really wanted another baby. She probably did do everything she could to optimize her chances of becoming pregnant again. I do not think that she planned to have SEXTUPLETS. If people could plan that, there would be more people doing just that.

Sextuplets are rare for good reason. They are not common or something that you "go for" - they happen!

She wanted multiples, and refused to have them reduce.

She got pregnant with multiples and, after having struggled with infertility, could not bring herself to selectively reduce. Honestly, I don't think I could have done it either.

It's unethical not to selectively reduce higher-order multiples. People really need to think this through before undergoing procedures that create the risk.

[Anonymous]

And one other thing. Jon has said that Kate had started doing book tours (I think) and he was often left alone in the house to care for the kids with the help of a nanny. Kate was in the limelight, out getting attention, bringing in the money while Jon was stuck at home taking care of the kids. THAT is what he walked away from. He resented Kate's star power and did everything he could to bring her down. He is STILL trying to bring her down.

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Anonymous wrote:They both have discussed their fertility treatments on air. I can't believe I used to watch their show when it first came out years and years ago, but I specifically remember her claim that even though they had twins, she wanted to know what it was like to have a one baby vs a multiple, so she convinced John to do another round. I can't remember if she did IVF or IUI but they did something. It's on one of the earliest episodes. I am so ashamed that I know this.

This is one of those things where I think that they had fertility issues and Kate, in particular, really wanted another baby. She probably did do everything she could to optimize her chances of becoming pregnant again. I do not think that she planned to have SEXTUPLETS. If people could plan that, there would be more people doing just that.

Sextuplets are rare for good reason. They are not common or something that you "go for" - they happen!

She wanted multiples, and refused to have them reduce.

She got pregnant with multiples and, after having struggled with infertility, could not bring herself to selectively reduce. Honestly, I don't think I could have done it either.

It's unethical not to selectively reduce higher-order multiples. People really need to think this through before undergoing procedures that create the risk.

I couldn't do it. I also understand why an infertile woman would do everything in her power to get pregnant again w/o assuming that she would get pregnant with, and carry to term, 6 babies. That isn't something you just anticipate doing. Apparently she was initially pregnant with 7 and one of the babies died in utero...I think a spontaneous reduction is more in line with what she thought would happen. I personally could not decide to do away with baby A, C and E in order to give B, D and F a better shot of surviving. I couldn't do it.

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Anonymous wrote:They both have discussed their fertility treatments on air. I can't believe I used to watch their show when it first came out years and years ago, but I specifically remember her claim that even though they had twins, she wanted to know what it was like to have a one baby vs a multiple, so she convinced John to do another round. I can't remember if she did IVF or IUI but they did something. It's on one of the earliest episodes. I am so ashamed that I know this.

This is one of those things where I think that they had fertility issues and Kate, in particular, really wanted another baby. She probably did do everything she could to optimize her chances of becoming pregnant again. I do not think that she planned to have SEXTUPLETS. If people could plan that, there would be more people doing just that.

Sextuplets are rare for good reason. They are not common or something that you "go for" - they happen!

She wanted multiples, and refused to have them reduce.

She got pregnant with multiples and, after having struggled with infertility, could not bring herself to selectively reduce. Honestly, I don't think I could have done it either.

How she got pregnant with multiples wasn’t standard practice at the time. Her obsession put her and her children’s lives at risk.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They both have discussed their fertility treatments on air. I can't believe I used to watch their show when it first came out years and years ago, but I specifically remember her claim that even though they had twins, she wanted to know what it was like to have a one baby vs a multiple, so she convinced John to do another round. I can't remember if she did IVF or IUI but they did something. It's on one of the earliest episodes. I am so ashamed that I know this.

This is one of those things where I think that they had fertility issues and Kate, in particular, really wanted another baby. She probably did do everything she could to optimize her chances of becoming pregnant again. I do not think that she planned to have SEXTUPLETS. If people could plan that, there would be more people doing just that.

Sextuplets are rare for good reason. They are not common or something that you "go for" - they happen!

She wanted multiples, and refused to have them reduce.

She got pregnant with multiples and, after having struggled with infertility, could not bring herself to selectively reduce. Honestly, I don't think I could have done it either.

How she got pregnant with multiples wasn’t standard practice at the time. Her obsession put her and her children’s lives at risk.

Ugh, who the hell cares? Seriously, she did not plot to have 6 kids in order to become a famous reality show personality. Have you even seen what Kate looked like when she first did the Discovery Health documentary? She was frumped out, exhausted, with a baggy stomach from having carried 6 babies all at once. The deal with TLC was like winning the lottery - a dream but not something you could ever plan on doing. How people don't get that is beyond me.

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Anonymous wrote:They both have discussed their fertility treatments on air. I can't believe I used to watch their show when it first came out years and years ago, but I specifically remember her claim that even though they had twins, she wanted to know what it was like to have a one baby vs a multiple, so she convinced John to do another round. I can't remember if she did IVF or IUI but they did something. It's on one of the earliest episodes. I am so ashamed that I know this.

This is one of those things where I think that they had fertility issues and Kate, in particular, really wanted another baby. She probably did do everything she could to optimize her chances of becoming pregnant again. I do not think that she planned to have SEXTUPLETS. If people could plan that, there would be more people doing just that.

Sextuplets are rare for good reason. They are not common or something that you "go for" - they happen!

She wanted multiples, and refused to have them reduce.

She got pregnant with multiples and, after having struggled with infertility, could not bring herself to selectively reduce. Honestly, I don't think I could have done it either.

How she got pregnant with multiples wasn’t standard practice at the time. Her obsession put her and her children’s lives at risk.

For some reasons, I thought that she might have used Clomid?

My twins are similar ages to the Gosselin sextuplets. I can tell you that no reputable fertility doctor in this region would do an IUI during a Clomid cycle with that many eggs. A responsible doctor should have been monitoring egg production. I don't know if it was an unmonitored cycle or whether they had a cavalier doctor.

We used IVF for two pregnancies, and the second time, in 2004, the doctor highly recommended only transferring one embryo. I realize that a fertilized embryo is not the same as having many eggs, but most doctors would not allow insemination in Kate's situation.

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I couldn't do it. I also understand why an infertile woman would do everything in her power to get pregnant again w/o assuming that she would get pregnant with, and carry to term, 6 babies. That isn't something you just anticipate doing. Apparently she was initially pregnant with 7 and one of the babies died in utero...I think a spontaneous reduction is more in line with what she thought would happen. I personally could not decide to do away with baby A, C and E in order to give B, D and F a better shot of surviving. I couldn't do it.

Which is fine. I couldn't do it either, which is one reason among many that I did IVF with single embryo transfers. You don't inseminate with that many mature follicles.