Do fat women who are Body-Positive really love being fat?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^ Gurl there is no way Serena is a size 16, at 5'9"

Even if she did actually wear a size 16, 99.9% of American women who are a size 16 do not come anywhere close to resembling her fitness.

99.9 percent bof all humans are not close to her fitness! This picture is fierce.

So we agree some people are biologically destined to be size 16 and are not lazy.

Of course some people may be this size and very, very active. But just like when we look at the obesity epidemic and understand that BMI is meant to measure populations, the soaring BMI rates in America are not due to our super high number of body builders and genetic outliers like Serena for whom the scale is not accurate. You can always point at people outside the norm. Most people who are a 16 are not 5'10 with 15-20% body fat, max.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Someone who’s a size 16 is probably not affecting your life. Not spilling into the next airplane seat, not flipping out bc of the size of the seats in the movie theater, and not having a heart attack during a 5k or using the squat bar at the gym.

Also, stop saying that thin women are genetically blessed or totally disordered. That’s equally terrible.

Maybe if a body was just a body and people didn’t feel judged, shamed, or defensive, we’d all be more motivated to optimize our health.

I’ve been thin and I’ve been fat and I’ve been thin again. The objectification never stops, just swings from positive to negative and back to positive.

But OP, this is what I think: you can be healthiER at any size.

This is precisely what the fat acceptance/HAES is about - shaming fat people just makes them feel ashamed and encourages weight gain. Studies show this. Fat acceptance/body positive/HAES says you aren’t disgusting and you deserve to treat your body well, to exercise, to go and play with your kids, to swim in a pool, to dress stylishly, to embrace yourself and be happy. To be kind to yourself and be happy in the body you’re in.

Weight management RDN again: If this was ALL that fat acceptance/ HAES promoted, or if it was simply a starting point of an idea, then it would be fine. Of course, no one should view themselves or anyone else as "disgusting" and EVERYONE "deserves" to treat their body well. But the problem is, too many people stop here. Treat your body well, in the case of obesity, absolutely means that you need to lose weight.

I personally find HAES to be a very damaging and potentially dangerous policy. It also takes RDNs out of our scope of training. We are not shrinks, and we are not supposed to be validating people's feelings. As the only health care professionals who study the science of nutrition exclusively, we have an obligation to tell our patients the truth, and help them come to a place where they can make the changes they need to improve their health.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ Gurl there is no way Serena is a size 16, at 5'9"

Even if she did actually wear a size 16, 99.9% of American women who are a size 16 do not come anywhere close to resembling her fitness.

99.9 percent bof all humans are not close to her fitness! This picture is fierce.

So we agree some people are biologically destined to be size 16 and are not lazy.

Of course some people may be this size and very, very active. But just like when we look at the obesity epidemic and understand that BMI is meant to measure populations, the soaring BMI rates in America are not due to our super high number of body builders and genetic outliers like Serena for whom the scale is not accurate. You can always point at people outside the norm. Most people who are a 16 are not 5'10 with 15-20% body fat, max.

But the PP stated that nobody is naturally 16. Not true lots of people are naturally 16. Actually I suspect Serena is naturally an 18.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ Gurl there is no way Serena is a size 16, at 5'9"

Even if she did actually wear a size 16, 99.9% of American women who are a size 16 do not come anywhere close to resembling her fitness.

99.9 percent bof all humans are not close to her fitness! This picture is fierce.

So we agree some people are biologically destined to be size 16 and are not lazy.

Of course some people may be this size and very, very active. But just like when we look at the obesity epidemic and understand that BMI is meant to measure populations, the soaring BMI rates in America are not due to our super high number of body builders and genetic outliers like Serena for whom the scale is not accurate. You can always point at people outside the norm. Most people who are a 16 are not 5'10 with 15-20% body fat, max.

But the PP stated that nobody is naturally 16. Not true lots of people are naturally 16. Actually I suspect Serena is naturally an 18.

I don't think we have any idea about what Serena is "naturally." Nothing about her lifestyle is approaching what most consider "natural" as a top athlete with next level conditioning, for decades.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone who’s a size 16 is probably not affecting your life. Not spilling into the next airplane seat, not flipping out bc of the size of the seats in the movie theater, and not having a heart attack during a 5k or using the squat bar at the gym.

Also, stop saying that thin women are genetically blessed or totally disordered. That’s equally terrible.

Maybe if a body was just a body and people didn’t feel judged, shamed, or defensive, we’d all be more motivated to optimize our health.

I’ve been thin and I’ve been fat and I’ve been thin again. The objectification never stops, just swings from positive to negative and back to positive.

But OP, this is what I think: you can be healthiER at any size.

This is precisely what the fat acceptance/HAES is about - shaming fat people just makes them feel ashamed and encourages weight gain. Studies show this. Fat acceptance/body positive/HAES says you aren’t disgusting and you deserve to treat your body well, to exercise, to go and play with your kids, to swim in a pool, to dress stylishly, to embrace yourself and be happy. To be kind to yourself and be happy in the body you’re in.

Weight management RDN again: If this was ALL that fat acceptance/ HAES promoted, or if it was simply a starting point of an idea, then it would be fine. Of course, no one should view themselves or anyone else as "disgusting" and EVERYONE "deserves" to treat their body well. But the problem is, too many people stop here. Treat your body well, in the case of obesity, absolutely means that you need to lose weight.

I personally find HAES to be a very damaging and potentially dangerous policy. It also takes RDNs out of our scope of training. We are not shrinks, and we are not supposed to be validating people's feelings. As the only health care professionals who study the science of nutrition exclusively, we have an obligation to tell our patients the truth, and help them come to a place where they can make the changes they need to improve their health.

Sure. Do that, but double check the science this time around as those last sixty years of low fat nonsense are the reason 80% of them are in need of your services anyway.

If your practice of not “validating people’s feelings” is typical of your field, as is epidemic as the dogmatic low fat advice (still, contra all the evidence), may I never need your services. Helping patients feel understood, or as you condescendingly misunderstand it, “being a shrink,” is one of the most important thing any caregiver does. It’s called building a relationship with your patient. If you had a morbidly obese patient who was eating himself into an early grave because of devastating childhood sexual abuse, that should perhaps inform how you deal with him, no? Or would you just scold him for not following the diet you recommmend?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone who’s a size 16 is probably not affecting your life. Not spilling into the next airplane seat, not flipping out bc of the size of the seats in the movie theater, and not having a heart attack during a 5k or using the squat bar at the gym.

Also, stop saying that thin women are genetically blessed or totally disordered. That’s equally terrible.

Maybe if a body was just a body and people didn’t feel judged, shamed, or defensive, we’d all be more motivated to optimize our health.

I’ve been thin and I’ve been fat and I’ve been thin again. The objectification never stops, just swings from positive to negative and back to positive.

But OP, this is what I think: you can be healthiER at any size.

This is precisely what the fat acceptance/HAES is about - shaming fat people just makes them feel ashamed and encourages weight gain. Studies show this. Fat acceptance/body positive/HAES says you aren’t disgusting and you deserve to treat your body well, to exercise, to go and play with your kids, to swim in a pool, to dress stylishly, to embrace yourself and be happy. To be kind to yourself and be happy in the body you’re in.

Weight management RDN again: If this was ALL that fat acceptance/ HAES promoted, or if it was simply a starting point of an idea, then it would be fine. Of course, no one should view themselves or anyone else as "disgusting" and EVERYONE "deserves" to treat their body well. But the problem is, too many people stop here. Treat your body well, in the case of obesity, absolutely means that you need to lose weight.

I personally find HAES to be a very damaging and potentially dangerous policy. It also takes RDNs out of our scope of training. We are not shrinks, and we are not supposed to be validating people's feelings. As the only health care professionals who study the science of nutrition exclusively, we have an obligation to tell our patients the truth, and help them come to a place where they can make the changes they need to improve their health.

Me again. I missed this gem. With about 90% of people who lose weight regaining it all, this is a bananas statement that basically arrives at total fat phobia.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ Gurl there is no way Serena is a size 16, at 5'9"

Even if she did actually wear a size 16, 99.9% of American women who are a size 16 do not come anywhere close to resembling her fitness.

99.9 percent bof all humans are not close to her fitness! This picture is fierce.

So we agree some people are biologically destined to be size 16 and are not lazy.

Of course some people may be this size and very, very active. But just like when we look at the obesity epidemic and understand that BMI is meant to measure populations, the soaring BMI rates in America are not due to our super high number of body builders and genetic outliers like Serena for whom the scale is not accurate. You can always point at people outside the norm. Most people who are a 16 are not 5'10 with 15-20% body fat, max.

But the PP stated that nobody is naturally 16. Not true lots of people are naturally 16. Actually I suspect Serena is naturally an 18.

You guys really are totally unfamiliar with the body types of AA women. I have Serena many times close up, and even at her biggest she is probably a 12. I saw her I Miami in March and looked closer to a 8/10. She is much smaller than how she appears in pictures.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone who’s a size 16 is probably not affecting your life. Not spilling into the next airplane seat, not flipping out bc of the size of the seats in the movie theater, and not having a heart attack during a 5k or using the squat bar at the gym.

Also, stop saying that thin women are genetically blessed or totally disordered. That’s equally terrible.

Maybe if a body was just a body and people didn’t feel judged, shamed, or defensive, we’d all be more motivated to optimize our health.

I’ve been thin and I’ve been fat and I’ve been thin again. The objectification never stops, just swings from positive to negative and back to positive.

But OP, this is what I think: you can be healthiER at any size.

This is precisely what the fat acceptance/HAES is about - shaming fat people just makes them feel ashamed and encourages weight gain. Studies show this. Fat acceptance/body positive/HAES says you aren’t disgusting and you deserve to treat your body well, to exercise, to go and play with your kids, to swim in a pool, to dress stylishly, to embrace yourself and be happy. To be kind to yourself and be happy in the body you’re in.

Weight management RDN again: If this was ALL that fat acceptance/ HAES promoted, or if it was simply a starting point of an idea, then it would be fine. Of course, no one should view themselves or anyone else as "disgusting" and EVERYONE "deserves" to treat their body well. But the problem is, too many people stop here. Treat your body well, in the case of obesity, absolutely means that you need to lose weight.

I personally find HAES to be a very damaging and potentially dangerous policy. It also takes RDNs out of our scope of training. We are not shrinks, and we are not supposed to be validating people's feelings. As the only health care professionals who study the science of nutrition exclusively, we have an obligation to tell our patients the truth, and help them come to a place where they can make the changes they need to improve their health.

Me again. I missed this gem. With about 90% of people who lose weight regaining it all, this is a bananas statement that basically arrives at total fat phobia.

DP. The nasty RDN is in favor of "personal accountability" for everyone except herself. Such a hypocrite.

[Anonymous]

Why is Serena part of this conversation? Is there some weird hang up about her bcs white women hate her? She might have been a bit heavier on occasion, but so what? She is a muscular woman that has dominated a white sport like nobody's business. I don't like her personality here and there, but people really need to shut up about shaming one of the best female athletes that ever existed!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why is Serena part of this conversation? Is there some weird hang up about her bcs white women hate her? She might have been a bit heavier on occasion, but so what? She is a muscular woman that has dominated a white sport like nobody's business. I don't like her personality here and there, but people really need to shut up about shaming one of the best female athletes that ever existed!

No, someone posted that Serena is a size 16, as an example of "not all larger sized women are nonathletic and fat."

Which is absurd, because Serena looks phenomenal, and is hardly the typical size 16 American woman. They also provided zero citations on her being a 16, which many cast doubt on.

[Anonymous]

Before giving birth to her daughter, 5'9" Adele wore a size 14/16. The curvy singer was quoted on E Online saying "I would only lose weight if it affected my health or sex life, which it doesn't."

[Anonymous]

I don't know what the point is, in posting celebrities and their sizes.

People wear sizes very differently - it really doesn't mean that much. While I/most adore Adele, it doesn't change the fact that she's carrying a bit of extra weight. But it isn't as though she's severely overweight, which is what people are talking about (Tess Holliday, for example). It's gross that she's an icon for "body positivity" while being morbidly obese.

[Anonymous]

Of course Adele promptly lost weight the minute she split with her husband. Like many women.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't know what the point is, in posting celebrities and their sizes.

People wear sizes very differently - it really doesn't mean that much. While I/most adore Adele, it doesn't change the fact that she's carrying a bit of extra weight. But it isn't as though she's severely overweight, which is what people are talking about (Tess Holliday, for example). It's gross that she's an icon for "body positivity" while being morbidly obese.

Because for many people Adele in that pic is disgustingly fat. Not to me, but when people here talk fat often the Adeles are equivalent to the Tesses and that is a problem, too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know what the point is, in posting celebrities and their sizes.

People wear sizes very differently - it really doesn't mean that much. While I/most adore Adele, it doesn't change the fact that she's carrying a bit of extra weight. But it isn't as though she's severely overweight, which is what people are talking about (Tess Holliday, for example). It's gross that she's an icon for "body positivity" while being morbidly obese.

Because for many people Adele in that pic is disgustingly fat. Not to me, but when people here talk fat often the Adeles are equivalent to the Tesses and that is a problem, too.

Oh bull, the vast majority of people know the difference. No one is accusing Adele of someone of Adele's size to be some kind of obese whale. Don't project your own insecurity on others - people on this thread have repeatedly stated a difference between someone a bit chubby and fat, vs truly obese.