Update on Harvard Lawsuit

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This country can benefit from more affirmative action lawyers, doctors, senators, presidents, neurosurgeons, rocket scientists... High stats aren't all that. You can have significantly lower stats - be a C student - and you, too, can become the president of the u.s. Diversity has its purpose - it's for the greater good.

The one famous C student I know is president Bush. He got in due to family wealth and connections.
Why is it so hard to admit that these institutions are for the privelidged, not just anyone with the brains.

Most graduates do not become senators, presidents neurosurgeons or rocket scientist. You could come out with a degree in Forest management

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This country can benefit from more affirmative action lawyers, doctors, senators, presidents, neurosurgeons, rocket scientists... High stats aren't all that. You can have significantly lower stats - be a C student - and you, too, can become the president of the u.s. Diversity has its purpose - it's for the greater good.

The one famous C student I know is president Bush. He got in due to family wealth and connections.
Why is it so hard to admit that these institutions are for the privelidged, not just anyone with the brains.

Most graduates do not become senators, presidents neurosurgeons or rocket scientist. You could come out with a degree in Forest management

Um....I think PP was being ironical.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/anti-asian-bias-not-affirmative-action-is-on-trial-in-the-harvard-case

Great article on the case.

I think it clearly hits the issue at hand.

AA isn’t a problem, it is specific anti-asian bias with respect to whites, not URMs.

That said, I do think what will happen is h will win in district and appellate court, only for scotus to take it up and that this scotus will use it as a vehicle to really make a broad ruling on the use of AA.

Scotus last term overturned internet sales tax and abood; cases that established multi-decade precedent. Scotus as constructed will not hesitate to strike down bakke, gratz, Bollinger, Fisher II just because of stare decisis.

But do you think Kavanaugh, a true Ivy-leaguer can bring himself to rule against Harvard? He would be going against his way of life.

Thomas, alito, Roberts are ivy leaguers as well and they have never hesitated to rule against AA

Roberts is the one AA activists would need to convince. BK would Nuke AA - I don’t think he’s all that happy with H and Y on the institutional level after happened during confirmation.

I think there is an outside chance Roberts could be swayed like Kennedy to change his mind on AA due to wanting to protect the court’s image with minorities BUT if that was true, he wouldn’t have also always been anti VRA for example.

Good analysis! I could see that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Good, balanced article that provides some context to the current debate..

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/15/the-rise-and-fall-of-affirmative-action

I know this article. When it says:"Wang was rejected from all the Ivy League universities he had applied to, except the University of Pennsylvania." is when you should stop reading it. In the first sentence of paragraph 2.

Top kid applies to elite colleges and gets in one. Can someone point out the problem to me?

O

If he was black he would have gotten into all eight. Heck, if he was white he might have had a chance at HYP. Try to keep up....it isn’t that hard.

Yet, you would never trade places with that black kid with his or her life chances and opportunities in a racist society.

I'd trade places with Malia Obama. And yet, for "Affirmative Action" purposes, her application (or one from the daughter of Robert Johnson) gets the same weight as a black kid from the inner city. I don't have a problem with kids who are from truly disadvantaged backgrounds having their records evaluated in light of the obstacles they've overcome. But why should a rich black kid have an advantage over a poor white kid?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Good, balanced article that provides some context to the current debate..

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/15/the-rise-and-fall-of-affirmative-action

I know this article. When it says:"Wang was rejected from all the Ivy League universities he had applied to, except the University of Pennsylvania." is when you should stop reading it. In the first sentence of paragraph 2.

Top kid applies to elite colleges and gets in one. Can someone point out the problem to me?

O

If he was black he would have gotten into all eight. Heck, if he was white he might have had a chance at HYP. Try to keep up....it isn’t that hard.

Yet, you would never trade places with that black kid with his or her life chances and opportunities in a racist society.

I'd trade places with Malia Obama. And yet, for "Affirmative Action" purposes, her application (or one from the daughter of Robert Johnson) gets the same weight as a black kid from the inner city. I don't have a problem with kids who are from truly disadvantaged backgrounds having their records evaluated in light of the obstacles they've overcome. But why should a rich black kid have an advantage over a poor white kid?

... And we finally have a taker!!!! A DCUM nobody is willing to trade places with a black female - but only because she's a Harvard student dating a British royalty and is a daughter of a former president of the US, the most powerful nation and empire the world has ever seen. In short, an African-American privileged princess is equivalent to a DCUM nobody. But for her dating a British royalty, would you trade places?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good, balanced article that provides some context to the current debate..

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/15/the-rise-and-fall-of-affirmative-action

I know this article. When it says:"Wang was rejected from all the Ivy League universities he had applied to, except the University of Pennsylvania." is when you should stop reading it. In the first sentence of paragraph 2.

Top kid applies to elite colleges and gets in one. Can someone point out the problem to me?

O

If he was black he would have gotten into all eight. Heck, if he was white he might have had a chance at HYP. Try to keep up....it isn’t that hard.

Yet, you would never trade places with that black kid with his or her life chances and opportunities in a racist society.

I'd trade places with Malia Obama. And yet, for "Affirmative Action" purposes, her application (or one from the daughter of Robert Johnson) gets the same weight as a black kid from the inner city. I don't have a problem with kids who are from truly disadvantaged backgrounds having their records evaluated in light of the obstacles they've overcome. But why should a rich black kid have an advantage over a poor white kid?

... And we finally have a taker!!!! A DCUM nobody is willing to trade places with a black female - but only because she's a Harvard student dating a British royalty and is a daughter of a former president of the US, the most powerful nation and empire the world has ever seen. In short, an African-American privileged princess is equivalent to a DCUM nobody. But for her dating a British royalty, would you trade places?

DP You straw-man is moronic and has zero to do with AA.....move along.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Good, balanced article that provides some context to the current debate..

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/15/the-rise-and-fall-of-affirmative-action

I know this article. When it says:"Wang was rejected from all the Ivy League universities he had applied to, except the University of Pennsylvania." is when you should stop reading it. In the first sentence of paragraph 2.

Top kid applies to elite colleges and gets in one. Can someone point out the problem to me?

O

If he was black he would have gotten into all eight. Heck, if he was white he might have had a chance at HYP. Try to keep up....it isn’t that hard.

Yet, you would never trade places with that black kid with his or her life chances and opportunities in a racist society.

I'd trade places with Malia Obama. And yet, for "Affirmative Action" purposes, her application (or one from the daughter of Robert Johnson) gets the same weight as a black kid from the inner city. I don't have a problem with kids who are from truly disadvantaged backgrounds having their records evaluated in light of the obstacles they've overcome. But why should a rich black kid have an advantage over a poor white kid?

... And we finally have a taker!!!! A DCUM nobody is willing to trade places with a black female - but only because she's a Harvard student dating a British royalty and is a daughter of a former president of the US, the most powerful nation and empire the world has ever seen. In short, an African-American privileged princess is equivalent to a DCUM nobody. But for her dating a British royalty, would you trade places?

DP You straw-man is moronic and has zero to do with AA.....move along.

Has everything to do with AA. When a DCUM nobody thinks she's on the same level as one in a millions African-American female, brings to focus the life chances and opportunities of people of color in this racist society. It brings to focus the need for AA.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good, balanced article that provides some context to the current debate..

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/15/the-rise-and-fall-of-affirmative-action

I know this article. When it says:"Wang was rejected from all the Ivy League universities he had applied to, except the University of Pennsylvania." is when you should stop reading it. In the first sentence of paragraph 2.

Top kid applies to elite colleges and gets in one. Can someone point out the problem to me?

O

If he was black he would have gotten into all eight. Heck, if he was white he might have had a chance at HYP. Try to keep up....it isn’t that hard.

Yet, you would never trade places with that black kid with his or her life chances and opportunities in a racist society.

I'd trade places with Malia Obama. And yet, for "Affirmative Action" purposes, her application (or one from the daughter of Robert Johnson) gets the same weight as a black kid from the inner city. I don't have a problem with kids who are from truly disadvantaged backgrounds having their records evaluated in light of the obstacles they've overcome. But why should a rich black kid have an advantage over a poor white kid?

Halleluia.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good, balanced article that provides some context to the current debate..

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/15/the-rise-and-fall-of-affirmative-action

I know this article. When it says:"Wang was rejected from all the Ivy League universities he had applied to, except the University of Pennsylvania." is when you should stop reading it. In the first sentence of paragraph 2.

Top kid applies to elite colleges and gets in one. Can someone point out the problem to me?

O

If he was black he would have gotten into all eight. Heck, if he was white he might have had a chance at HYP. Try to keep up....it isn’t that hard.

Yet, you would never trade places with that black kid with his or her life chances and opportunities in a racist society.

I'd trade places with Malia Obama. And yet, for "Affirmative Action" purposes, her application (or one from the daughter of Robert Johnson) gets the same weight as a black kid from the inner city. I don't have a problem with kids who are from truly disadvantaged backgrounds having their records evaluated in light of the obstacles they've overcome. But why should a rich black kid have an advantage over a poor white kid?

... And we finally have a taker!!!! A DCUM nobody is willing to trade places with a black female - but only because she's a Harvard student dating a British royalty and is a daughter of a former president of the US, the most powerful nation and empire the world has ever seen. In short, an African-American privileged princess is equivalent to a DCUM nobody. But for her dating a British royalty, would you trade places?

And you're having to change the point of the conversation in order to try to hide the fact that you're not answering the person you're responding to.

Why should a rich black kid have an advantage over a poor white kid?
Though I would add, a poor asian kid, because the poor asian kid is both economically disadvantaged and an ethnic minority.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good, balanced article that provides some context to the current debate..

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/15/the-rise-and-fall-of-affirmative-action

I know this article. When it says:"Wang was rejected from all the Ivy League universities he had applied to, except the University of Pennsylvania." is when you should stop reading it. In the first sentence of paragraph 2.

Top kid applies to elite colleges and gets in one. Can someone point out the problem to me?

O

If he was black he would have gotten into all eight. Heck, if he was white he might have had a chance at HYP. Try to keep up....it isn’t that hard.

Yet, you would never trade places with that black kid with his or her life chances and opportunities in a racist society.

I'd trade places with Malia Obama. And yet, for "Affirmative Action" purposes, her application (or one from the daughter of Robert Johnson) gets the same weight as a black kid from the inner city. I don't have a problem with kids who are from truly disadvantaged backgrounds having their records evaluated in light of the obstacles they've overcome. But why should a rich black kid have an advantage over a poor white kid?

... And we finally have a taker!!!! A DCUM nobody is willing to trade places with a black female - but only because she's a Harvard student dating a British royalty and is a daughter of a former president of the US, the most powerful nation and empire the world has ever seen. In short, an African-American privileged princess is equivalent to a DCUM nobody. But for her dating a British royalty, would you trade places?

DP You straw-man is moronic and has zero to do with AA.....move along.

Has everything to do with AA. When a DCUM nobody thinks she's on the same level as one in a millions African-American female, brings to focus the life chances and opportunities of people of color in this racist society. It brings to focus the need for AA.

Honestly, I think you lack critical thinking (and writing) skills to even comment on this subject.

[Anonymous]

Malia Obama poster, don’t be ridiculous. Malia didn’t need AA any more than Chelsea Clinton or W needed it. They get in because they’re the special, connected, privileged, and, yes, also well-prepared and highly educated. She didn’t need AA. She was going to get in with her record no matter the color of her skin. A lot of people would trade places with her for a lot of reasons.

She’s not the one you’d be trading places with if you wanted to benefit from AA.

[Anonymous]

^PP above. I should clarify, these people don’t benefit from the AA that people get huffy about. They benefit from a different special treatment- that of the rich, connected legacies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^PP above. I should clarify, these people don’t benefit from the AA that people get huffy about. They benefit from a different special treatment- that of the rich, connected legacies.

+1 a friend that works in the admissions office of an Ivy explained that rich or politically connected applicants are placed in a different pool.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:http://samv91khoyt2i553a2t1s05i-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Doc-416-3-Kahlenberg-Errata.pdf

Document filed by expert support for plaintiff taking Harvard to task.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/ideas/2018/10/12/still-need-affirmative-action-just-not-race/dDAPCPn0MHBjrLAh8S5FiN/story.html

General article for those that don’t want to read the five pager.

Really damning stuff here.

Pretty much proves H doesn’t even care about boosting URM numbers as a whole. What they specifically want to protect is two
Things - white enrollment and rich blacks.

I can’t see how a supporter of AA can look at this evidence and say it works.

The author of this works at The Century Foundation - a very progressive think tank.

It’s a very bad look for H if researchers at policy shops like that are siding against H current practices.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Malia Obama poster, don’t be ridiculous. Malia didn’t need AA any more than Chelsea Clinton or W needed it. They get in because they’re the special, connected, privileged, and, yes, also well-prepared and highly educated. She didn’t need AA. She was going to get in with her record no matter the color of her skin. A lot of people would trade places with her for a lot of reasons.

She’s not the one you’d be trading places with if you wanted to benefit from AA.

Agreed but the irony of course is that Harvard will include her its calculus of black students to virtue signal to the world how diverse it is.