ABC cancels 'Roseanne' after racist Twitter rant

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jsteele wrote:10:09 and 10:11 illustrate what I was saying in my earlier post. Many Trump supporters don’t distinguish between racism and insults based on political differences. They see no difference between an insult based on race which has centuries of dehumanization behind it and an insult based on political differences. They just consider them equal.

This! Comedians can insult people and make fun of them to get a laugh but that is totally different than the completely racist comment Rosanne made.

Well, what about black comedians that make fun of white people as a race in their stand-up routines? Is that allowed to "get a laugh?" That happens all the time.

Or what about when Chris Rock said "I want to live in a world with real equality. I want to live in a world where an equal amount of white kids are shot every month. I want to see white mothers on TV crying." That stand-up was released on Netflix right after the Florida shooting and no one batted an eye about it and Netflix never removed it, nor did Chris Rock apologize. Do you think that is okay too?

Stupid people don’t understand barbed political comedy. Is it any wonder there are so few talented conservative comics. Larry the Cable Guy might be your speed. Psst ... he’s a fraud too.

Oh, we understand it.

[Anonymous]

This is the story of a lot of older, angry Americans who have spent the last decade living off a steady diet of Fox News and #fakenews. They have zero perspective on the damage they are doing to America's reputation, economy, legacy, and institutions. And they won't be alive long enough to do the hard work of rebuilding. Roseanne is just the outgrowth of much bigger symptoms at play in American society.

Stereotype much?

No. This is the story of one idiot woman. Kind of ironic that her show exposed racism--all kinds of racism. Did you ever watch it? If you had, you would be surprised at Roseanne's tweet. Her family included lots of different types of characters (including an African American granddaughter and a cross dressing nine year grandon.) It addressed lots of different social issues in a realistic and loving way. Her show could have helped a lot on both sides of the political spectrum. She did not play a female Archie Bunker. It was not a show that encouraged racism. The last show I watched exposed racism against her new Muslim immigrant neighbors. It began by exposing her fear of her new neighbors and ended with her attacking a cashier for her racism against the neighbor. The show could have accomplished a lot. It explained her fear--but, showed her growth.

That said, if you have ever paid attention to her antics, you would know that Roseanne has always done "off the wall" and inappropriate things. I agree with others that this is likely the worst offense--but, certainly not the only offense.
I agree that ABC did the right thing--I'm just sorry because I think the show could have done some good.

[Anonymous]

Omg! Roseanne is crazy. She is a pizzagate and MK Ultra believer.

[Anonymous]

‘Racism is not a known side effect,’ Ambien maker says after Roseanne Barr blames it for tweets.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:10:09 and 10:11 illustrate what I was saying in my earlier post. Many Trump supporters don’t distinguish between racism and insults based on political differences. They see no difference between an insult based on race which has centuries of dehumanization behind it and an insult based on political differences. They just consider them equal.

This! Comedians can insult people and make fun of them to get a laugh but that is totally different than the completely racist comment Rosanne made.

Well, what about black comedians that make fun of white people as a race in their stand-up routines? Is that allowed to "get a laugh?" That happens all the time.

Or what about when Chris Rock said "I want to live in a world with real equality. I want to live in a world where an equal amount of white kids are shot every month. I want to see white mothers on TV crying." That stand-up was released on Netflix right after the Florida shooting and no one batted an eye about it and Netflix never removed it, nor did Chris Rock apologize. Do you think that is okay too?

I think that what Chris Rock is saying is that if an equal amount of white kids were shot every month, something would be done about it. Rather than being racist himself, he is highlighting the racism that exists in our society that allows black kids to be murdered on a regular basis with no publicity, yet goes 24/7 wall to wall coverage over white kids being shot. He is making a social comment. Can you tell me what social commentary Roseanne was offering when she compared Jarrett to an ape?

Again, white people trying to demonstrate their oppression is a very sad sight. You don't know how well you have it.

I am not the previous posters in this above comments, but just the one that mentioned the Chris Rock. Not sure what was said before, but I am not defending Roseanne and already posted multiple times she is wrong and glad she was fired. What I am asking from above is that I understand the difference in political comments vs racism comments, but is that the same as why can black comedians make fun of white people as a race? Why can a black comedian wish more white kids could die with a crowd of laughter. Why is that allowed? You are saying because we were not once oppressed that he is allowed to say that? That is your rationale that it is okay to wish harm on white kids? That is your spin on it? Would it be okay for a white comedian to wish ill on black kids? My guess is you would be in an uproar.
And how do you know what Chris Rock means? He never made one comment about it after the fact. And if he is raging on why more black kids die, than white (like you are meaning he is saying) they are mostly at the hands of other black people, not white people and it happens daily. That is why it doesn't make the news. Same if a white kid killed another white kid. That doesn't make the news either. You are saying it makes 24/7 news? That is total BS. ALL school shootings make the news regardless of skin color and white killing a black person make the news. So I am not sure why you think there is news coverage 24/7 of a white person being shot. I have never seen that. I have seen many many news reports on the continued killings in Chicago. Obama was in office for 8 years and is from Chicago. Why wasn't anything done during those 8 years to improve things? I guess he can't be held accountable because he is black too? So it is now okay for Chris Rock to say he wants more white kids to die, because Trump or certain news outlets don't do enough for all the black on black killings in Chicago or that they are not put on the news every single night it happens? If that is what he means as a comedian, I would be curious as to what he thinks the solution should be. Or what you think the solution is Jeff, since that is your opinion of his disgusting comment. Also, why isn't anything being done about school shootings which are predominantly white? They keep happening without gun control changes, correct? Nothing is really being done and they keep happening more and more. Florida happens and a black comedian wishes more of them white kids would die and that is okay - because nothing is being done for black kid killings? That is supposed to make sense to you because white people were never oppressed?

I just don't get how anyone that says they would like BOTH sides to stop with the hate, is met with "you must be a Trump supporter" or "you were never oppressed" as the retort. It doesn't rationalize the hate and prejudice from one side over the other.

[Anonymous]

#RiseUp against #RepublicanRacism and #RepublicanHate!

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I was just thinking adderall makes more people racist than ambien, tbh.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:10:09 and 10:11 illustrate what I was saying in my earlier post. Many Trump supporters don’t distinguish between racism and insults based on political differences. They see no difference between an insult based on race which has centuries of dehumanization behind it and an insult based on political differences. They just consider them equal.

This! Comedians can insult people and make fun of them to get a laugh but that is totally different than the completely racist comment Rosanne made.

Well, what about black comedians that make fun of white people as a race in their stand-up routines? Is that allowed to "get a laugh?" That happens all the time.

Or what about when Chris Rock said "I want to live in a world with real equality. I want to live in a world where an equal amount of white kids are shot every month. I want to see white mothers on TV crying." That stand-up was released on Netflix right after the Florida shooting and no one batted an eye about it and Netflix never removed it, nor did Chris Rock apologize. Do you think that is okay too?

I think that what Chris Rock is saying is that if an equal amount of white kids were shot every month, something would be done about it. Rather than being racist himself, he is highlighting the racism that exists in our society that allows black kids to be murdered on a regular basis with no publicity, yet goes 24/7 wall to wall coverage over white kids being shot. He is making a social comment. Can you tell me what social commentary Roseanne was offering when she compared Jarrett to an ape?

Again, white people trying to demonstrate their oppression is a very sad sight. You don't know how well you have it.

I am not the previous posters in this above comments, but just the one that mentioned the Chris Rock. Not sure what was said before, but I am not defending Roseanne and already posted multiple times she is wrong and glad she was fired. What I am asking from above is that I understand the difference in political comments vs racism comments, but is that the same as why can black comedians make fun of white people as a race? Why can a black comedian wish more white kids could die with a crowd of laughter. Why is that allowed? You are saying because we were not once oppressed that he is allowed to say that? That is your rationale that it is okay to wish harm on white kids? That is your spin on it? Would it be okay for a white comedian to wish ill on black kids? My guess is you would be in an uproar.
And how do you know what Chris Rock means? He never made one comment about it after the fact. And if he is raging on why more black kids die, than white (like you are meaning he is saying) they are mostly at the hands of other black people, not white people and it happens daily. That is why it doesn't make the news. Same if a white kid killed another white kid. That doesn't make the news either. You are saying it makes 24/7 news? That is total BS. ALL school shootings make the news regardless of skin color and white killing a black person make the news. So I am not sure why you think there is news coverage 24/7 of a white person being shot. I have never seen that. I have seen many many news reports on the continued killings in Chicago. Obama was in office for 8 years and is from Chicago. Why wasn't anything done during those 8 years to improve things? I guess he can't be held accountable because he is black too? So it is now okay for Chris Rock to say he wants more white kids to die, because Trump or certain news outlets don't do enough for all the black on black killings in Chicago or that they are not put on the news every single night it happens? If that is what he means as a comedian, I would be curious as to what he thinks the solution should be. Or what you think the solution is Jeff, since that is your opinion of his disgusting comment. Also, why isn't anything being done about school shootings which are predominantly white? They keep happening without gun control changes, correct? Nothing is really being done and they keep happening more and more. Florida happens and a black comedian wishes more of them white kids would die and that is okay - because nothing is being done for black kid killings? That is supposed to make sense to you because white people were never oppressed?

I just don't get how anyone that says they would like BOTH sides to stop with the hate, is met with "you must be a Trump supporter" or "you were never oppressed" as the retort. It doesn't rationalize the hate and prejudice from one side over the other.

I am a white person who understands what CR was getting it, but it's fine if you don't. And it would have been understandable if Chris Rock's shows got cancelled because of his comments because not everyone can see past his routine to "get" his point. It doesn't sound like you are open to Rock's point of view, but you should be aware that it does make sense to plenty of people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:10:09 and 10:11 illustrate what I was saying in my earlier post. Many Trump supporters don’t distinguish between racism and insults based on political differences. They see no difference between an insult based on race which has centuries of dehumanization behind it and an insult based on political differences. They just consider them equal.

This! Comedians can insult people and make fun of them to get a laugh but that is totally different than the completely racist comment Rosanne made.

Well, what about black comedians that make fun of white people as a race in their stand-up routines? Is that allowed to "get a laugh?" That happens all the time.

Or what about when Chris Rock said "I want to live in a world with real equality. I want to live in a world where an equal amount of white kids are shot every month. I want to see white mothers on TV crying." That stand-up was released on Netflix right after the Florida shooting and no one batted an eye about it and Netflix never removed it, nor did Chris Rock apologize. Do you think that is okay too?

I think that what Chris Rock is saying is that if an equal amount of white kids were shot every month, something would be done about it. Rather than being racist himself, he is highlighting the racism that exists in our society that allows black kids to be murdered on a regular basis with no publicity, yet goes 24/7 wall to wall coverage over white kids being shot. He is making a social comment. Can you tell me what social commentary Roseanne was offering when she compared Jarrett to an ape?

Again, white people trying to demonstrate their oppression is a very sad sight. You don't know how well you have it.

I am not the previous posters in this above comments, but just the one that mentioned the Chris Rock. Not sure what was said before, but I am not defending Roseanne and already posted multiple times she is wrong and glad she was fired. What I am asking from above is that I understand the difference in political comments vs racism comments, but is that the same as why can black comedians make fun of white people as a race? Why can a black comedian wish more white kids could die with a crowd of laughter. Why is that allowed? You are saying because we were not once oppressed that he is allowed to say that? That is your rationale that it is okay to wish harm on white kids? That is your spin on it? Would it be okay for a white comedian to wish ill on black kids? My guess is you would be in an uproar.
And how do you know what Chris Rock means? He never made one comment about it after the fact. And if he is raging on why more black kids die, than white (like you are meaning he is saying) they are mostly at the hands of other black people, not white people and it happens daily. That is why it doesn't make the news. Same if a white kid killed another white kid. That doesn't make the news either. You are saying it makes 24/7 news? That is total BS. ALL school shootings make the news regardless of skin color and white killing a black person make the news. So I am not sure why you think there is news coverage 24/7 of a white person being shot. I have never seen that. I have seen many many news reports on the continued killings in Chicago. Obama was in office for 8 years and is from Chicago. Why wasn't anything done during those 8 years to improve things? I guess he can't be held accountable because he is black too? So it is now okay for Chris Rock to say he wants more white kids to die, because Trump or certain news outlets don't do enough for all the black on black killings in Chicago or that they are not put on the news every single night it happens? If that is what he means as a comedian, I would be curious as to what he thinks the solution should be. Or what you think the solution is Jeff, since that is your opinion of his disgusting comment. Also, why isn't anything being done about school shootings which are predominantly white? They keep happening without gun control changes, correct? Nothing is really being done and they keep happening more and more. Florida happens and a black comedian wishes more of them white kids would die and that is okay - because nothing is being done for black kid killings? That is supposed to make sense to you because white people were never oppressed?

I just don't get how anyone that says they would like BOTH sides to stop with the hate, is met with "you must be a Trump supporter" or "you were never oppressed" as the retort. It doesn't rationalize the hate and prejudice from one side over the other.

You really don't get it. In a nutshell CR is saying if whites kids were killed/shot at the same rate as black kids then maybe the authorities would do something about all kids getting shot/killed. Doesn't matter who's doing the shooting/killing. Has nothing to do with the lack of oppression to white people. We want white men (because they are in power) to care about black children getting killed. You do realize that to many, it appears that no really cares about children of color when they go missing, are murdered, raped and abused.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:10:09 and 10:11 illustrate what I was saying in my earlier post. Many Trump supporters don’t distinguish between racism and insults based on political differences. They see no difference between an insult based on race which has centuries of dehumanization behind it and an insult based on political differences. They just consider them equal.

This! Comedians can insult people and make fun of them to get a laugh but that is totally different than the completely racist comment Rosanne made.

Well, what about black comedians that make fun of white people as a race in their stand-up routines? Is that allowed to "get a laugh?" That happens all the time.

Or what about when Chris Rock said "I want to live in a world with real equality. I want to live in a world where an equal amount of white kids are shot every month. I want to see white mothers on TV crying." That stand-up was released on Netflix right after the Florida shooting and no one batted an eye about it and Netflix never removed it, nor did Chris Rock apologize. Do you think that is okay too?

I think that what Chris Rock is saying is that if an equal amount of white kids were shot every month, something would be done about it. Rather than being racist himself, he is highlighting the racism that exists in our society that allows black kids to be murdered on a regular basis with no publicity, yet goes 24/7 wall to wall coverage over white kids being shot. He is making a social comment. Can you tell me what social commentary Roseanne was offering when she compared Jarrett to an ape?

Again, white people trying to demonstrate their oppression is a very sad sight. You don't know how well you have it.

I am not the previous posters in this above comments, but just the one that mentioned the Chris Rock. Not sure what was said before, but I am not defending Roseanne and already posted multiple times she is wrong and glad she was fired. What I am asking from above is that I understand the difference in political comments vs racism comments, but is that the same as why can black comedians make fun of white people as a race? Why can a black comedian wish more white kids could die with a crowd of laughter. Why is that allowed? You are saying because we were not once oppressed that he is allowed to say that? That is your rationale that it is okay to wish harm on white kids? That is your spin on it? Would it be okay for a white comedian to wish ill on black kids? My guess is you would be in an uproar.
And how do you know what Chris Rock means? He never made one comment about it after the fact. And if he is raging on why more black kids die, than white (like you are meaning he is saying) they are mostly at the hands of other black people, not white people and it happens daily. That is why it doesn't make the news. Same if a white kid killed another white kid. That doesn't make the news either. You are saying it makes 24/7 news? That is total BS. ALL school shootings make the news regardless of skin color and white killing a black person make the news. So I am not sure why you think there is news coverage 24/7 of a white person being shot. I have never seen that. I have seen many many news reports on the continued killings in Chicago. Obama was in office for 8 years and is from Chicago. Why wasn't anything done during those 8 years to improve things? I guess he can't be held accountable because he is black too? So it is now okay for Chris Rock to say he wants more white kids to die, because Trump or certain news outlets don't do enough for all the black on black killings in Chicago or that they are not put on the news every single night it happens? If that is what he means as a comedian, I would be curious as to what he thinks the solution should be. Or what you think the solution is Jeff, since that is your opinion of his disgusting comment. Also, why isn't anything being done about school shootings which are predominantly white? They keep happening without gun control changes, correct? Nothing is really being done and they keep happening more and more. Florida happens and a black comedian wishes more of them white kids would die and that is okay - because nothing is being done for black kid killings? That is supposed to make sense to you because white people were never oppressed?

I just don't get how anyone that says they would like BOTH sides to stop with the hate, is met with "you must be a Trump supporter" or "you were never oppressed" as the retort. It doesn't rationalize the hate and prejudice from one side over the other.

I am a white person who understands what CR was getting it, but it's fine if you don't. And it would have been understandable if Chris Rock's shows got cancelled because of his comments because not everyone can see past his routine to "get" his point. It doesn't sound like you are open to Rock's point of view, but you should be aware that it does make sense to plenty of people.

Wishing more white kids to die right after a school shooting is beyond distasteful, whether he wanted to prove a point or not. Sounds like you don't understand that, but it's fine if you don't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:10:09 and 10:11 illustrate what I was saying in my earlier post. Many Trump supporters don’t distinguish between racism and insults based on political differences. They see no difference between an insult based on race which has centuries of dehumanization behind it and an insult based on political differences. They just consider them equal.

This! Comedians can insult people and make fun of them to get a laugh but that is totally different than the completely racist comment Rosanne made.

Well, what about black comedians that make fun of white people as a race in their stand-up routines? Is that allowed to "get a laugh?" That happens all the time.

Or what about when Chris Rock said "I want to live in a world with real equality. I want to live in a world where an equal amount of white kids are shot every month. I want to see white mothers on TV crying." That stand-up was released on Netflix right after the Florida shooting and no one batted an eye about it and Netflix never removed it, nor did Chris Rock apologize. Do you think that is okay too?

I think that what Chris Rock is saying is that if an equal amount of white kids were shot every month, something would be done about it. Rather than being racist himself, he is highlighting the racism that exists in our society that allows black kids to be murdered on a regular basis with no publicity, yet goes 24/7 wall to wall coverage over white kids being shot. He is making a social comment. Can you tell me what social commentary Roseanne was offering when she compared Jarrett to an ape?

Again, white people trying to demonstrate their oppression is a very sad sight. You don't know how well you have it.

I am not the previous posters in this above comments, but just the one that mentioned the Chris Rock. Not sure what was said before, but I am not defending Roseanne and already posted multiple times she is wrong and glad she was fired. What I am asking from above is that I understand the difference in political comments vs racism comments, but is that the same as why can black comedians make fun of white people as a race? Why can a black comedian wish more white kids could die with a crowd of laughter. Why is that allowed? You are saying because we were not once oppressed that he is allowed to say that? That is your rationale that it is okay to wish harm on white kids? That is your spin on it? Would it be okay for a white comedian to wish ill on black kids? My guess is you would be in an uproar.
And how do you know what Chris Rock means? He never made one comment about it after the fact. And if he is raging on why more black kids die, than white (like you are meaning he is saying) they are mostly at the hands of other black people, not white people and it happens daily. That is why it doesn't make the news. Same if a white kid killed another white kid. That doesn't make the news either. You are saying it makes 24/7 news? That is total BS. ALL school shootings make the news regardless of skin color and white killing a black person make the news. So I am not sure why you think there is news coverage 24/7 of a white person being shot. I have never seen that. I have seen many many news reports on the continued killings in Chicago. Obama was in office for 8 years and is from Chicago. Why wasn't anything done during those 8 years to improve things? I guess he can't be held accountable because he is black too? So it is now okay for Chris Rock to say he wants more white kids to die, because Trump or certain news outlets don't do enough for all the black on black killings in Chicago or that they are not put on the news every single night it happens? If that is what he means as a comedian, I would be curious as to what he thinks the solution should be. Or what you think the solution is Jeff, since that is your opinion of his disgusting comment. Also, why isn't anything being done about school shootings which are predominantly white? They keep happening without gun control changes, correct? Nothing is really being done and they keep happening more and more. Florida happens and a black comedian wishes more of them white kids would die and that is okay - because nothing is being done for black kid killings? That is supposed to make sense to you because white people were never oppressed?

I just don't get how anyone that says they would like BOTH sides to stop with the hate, is met with "you must be a Trump supporter" or "you were never oppressed" as the retort. It doesn't rationalize the hate and prejudice from one side over the other.

I am a white person who understands what CR was getting it, but it's fine if you don't. And it would have been understandable if Chris Rock's shows got cancelled because of his comments because not everyone can see past his routine to "get" his point. It doesn't sound like you are open to Rock's point of view, but you should be aware that it does make sense to plenty of people.

Wishing more white kids to die right after a school shooting is beyond distasteful, whether he wanted to prove a point or not. Sounds like you don't understand that, but it's fine if you don't.

Wishing that the burden of loss were distributed across all races is not distasteful, but you don't want to see that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:10:09 and 10:11 illustrate what I was saying in my earlier post. Many Trump supporters don’t distinguish between racism and insults based on political differences. They see no difference between an insult based on race which has centuries of dehumanization behind it and an insult based on political differences. They just consider them equal.

This! Comedians can insult people and make fun of them to get a laugh but that is totally different than the completely racist comment Rosanne made.

Well, what about black comedians that make fun of white people as a race in their stand-up routines? Is that allowed to "get a laugh?" That happens all the time.

Or what about when Chris Rock said "I want to live in a world with real equality. I want to live in a world where an equal amount of white kids are shot every month. I want to see white mothers on TV crying." That stand-up was released on Netflix right after the Florida shooting and no one batted an eye about it and Netflix never removed it, nor did Chris Rock apologize. Do you think that is okay too?

I think that what Chris Rock is saying is that if an equal amount of white kids were shot every month, something would be done about it. Rather than being racist himself, he is highlighting the racism that exists in our society that allows black kids to be murdered on a regular basis with no publicity, yet goes 24/7 wall to wall coverage over white kids being shot. He is making a social comment. Can you tell me what social commentary Roseanne was offering when she compared Jarrett to an ape?

Again, white people trying to demonstrate their oppression is a very sad sight. You don't know how well you have it.

I am not the previous posters in this above comments, but just the one that mentioned the Chris Rock. Not sure what was said before, but I am not defending Roseanne and already posted multiple times she is wrong and glad she was fired. What I am asking from above is that I understand the difference in political comments vs racism comments, but is that the same as why can black comedians make fun of white people as a race? Why can a black comedian wish more white kids could die with a crowd of laughter. Why is that allowed? You are saying because we were not once oppressed that he is allowed to say that? That is your rationale that it is okay to wish harm on white kids? That is your spin on it? Would it be okay for a white comedian to wish ill on black kids? My guess is you would be in an uproar.
And how do you know what Chris Rock means? He never made one comment about it after the fact. And if he is raging on why more black kids die, than white (like you are meaning he is saying) they are mostly at the hands of other black people, not white people and it happens daily. That is why it doesn't make the news. Same if a white kid killed another white kid. That doesn't make the news either. You are saying it makes 24/7 news? That is total BS. ALL school shootings make the news regardless of skin color and white killing a black person make the news. So I am not sure why you think there is news coverage 24/7 of a white person being shot. I have never seen that. I have seen many many news reports on the continued killings in Chicago. Obama was in office for 8 years and is from Chicago. Why wasn't anything done during those 8 years to improve things? I guess he can't be held accountable because he is black too? So it is now okay for Chris Rock to say he wants more white kids to die, because Trump or certain news outlets don't do enough for all the black on black killings in Chicago or that they are not put on the news every single night it happens? If that is what he means as a comedian, I would be curious as to what he thinks the solution should be. Or what you think the solution is Jeff, since that is your opinion of his disgusting comment. Also, why isn't anything being done about school shootings which are predominantly white? They keep happening without gun control changes, correct? Nothing is really being done and they keep happening more and more. Florida happens and a black comedian wishes more of them white kids would die and that is okay - because nothing is being done for black kid killings? That is supposed to make sense to you because white people were never oppressed?

I just don't get how anyone that says they would like BOTH sides to stop with the hate, is met with "you must be a Trump supporter" or "you were never oppressed" as the retort. It doesn't rationalize the hate and prejudice from one side over the other.

I am a white person who understands what CR was getting it, but it's fine if you don't. And it would have been understandable if Chris Rock's shows got cancelled because of his comments because not everyone can see past his routine to "get" his point. It doesn't sound like you are open to Rock's point of view, but you should be aware that it does make sense to plenty of people.

Wishing more white kids to die right after a school shooting is beyond distasteful, whether he wanted to prove a point or not. Sounds like you don't understand that, but it's fine if you don't.

I hope you direct the same amount of ire to the NRA and all those who disparaged David Hogg and Emma Gonzalez as you do towards Chris Rock. If you're so concerned about school shootings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:10:09 and 10:11 illustrate what I was saying in my earlier post. Many Trump supporters don’t distinguish between racism and insults based on political differences. They see no difference between an insult based on race which has centuries of dehumanization behind it and an insult based on political differences. They just consider them equal.

This! Comedians can insult people and make fun of them to get a laugh but that is totally different than the completely racist comment Rosanne made.

Well, what about black comedians that make fun of white people as a race in their stand-up routines? Is that allowed to "get a laugh?" That happens all the time.

Or what about when Chris Rock said "I want to live in a world with real equality. I want to live in a world where an equal amount of white kids are shot every month. I want to see white mothers on TV crying." That stand-up was released on Netflix right after the Florida shooting and no one batted an eye about it and Netflix never removed it, nor did Chris Rock apologize. Do you think that is okay too?

I think that what Chris Rock is saying is that if an equal amount of white kids were shot every month, something would be done about it. Rather than being racist himself, he is highlighting the racism that exists in our society that allows black kids to be murdered on a regular basis with no publicity, yet goes 24/7 wall to wall coverage over white kids being shot. He is making a social comment. Can you tell me what social commentary Roseanne was offering when she compared Jarrett to an ape?

Again, white people trying to demonstrate their oppression is a very sad sight. You don't know how well you have it.

I am not the previous posters in this above comments, but just the one that mentioned the Chris Rock. Not sure what was said before, but I am not defending Roseanne and already posted multiple times she is wrong and glad she was fired. What I am asking from above is that I understand the difference in political comments vs racism comments, but is that the same as why can black comedians make fun of white people as a race? Why can a black comedian wish more white kids could die with a crowd of laughter. Why is that allowed? You are saying because we were not once oppressed that he is allowed to say that? That is your rationale that it is okay to wish harm on white kids? That is your spin on it? Would it be okay for a white comedian to wish ill on black kids? My guess is you would be in an uproar.
And how do you know what Chris Rock means? He never made one comment about it after the fact. And if he is raging on why more black kids die, than white (like you are meaning he is saying) they are mostly at the hands of other black people, not white people and it happens daily. That is why it doesn't make the news. Same if a white kid killed another white kid. That doesn't make the news either. You are saying it makes 24/7 news? That is total BS. ALL school shootings make the news regardless of skin color and white killing a black person make the news. So I am not sure why you think there is news coverage 24/7 of a white person being shot. I have never seen that. I have seen many many news reports on the continued killings in Chicago. Obama was in office for 8 years and is from Chicago. Why wasn't anything done during those 8 years to improve things? I guess he can't be held accountable because he is black too? So it is now okay for Chris Rock to say he wants more white kids to die, because Trump or certain news outlets don't do enough for all the black on black killings in Chicago or that they are not put on the news every single night it happens? If that is what he means as a comedian, I would be curious as to what he thinks the solution should be. Or what you think the solution is Jeff, since that is your opinion of his disgusting comment. Also, why isn't anything being done about school shootings which are predominantly white? They keep happening without gun control changes, correct? Nothing is really being done and they keep happening more and more. Florida happens and a black comedian wishes more of them white kids would die and that is okay - because nothing is being done for black kid killings? That is supposed to make sense to you because white people were never oppressed?

I just don't get how anyone that says they would like BOTH sides to stop with the hate, is met with "you must be a Trump supporter" or "you were never oppressed" as the retort. It doesn't rationalize the hate and prejudice from one side over the other.

You really don't get it. In a nutshell CR is saying if whites kids were killed/shot at the same rate as black kids then maybe the authorities would do something about all kids getting shot/killed. Doesn't matter who's doing the shooting/killing. Has nothing to do with the lack of oppression to white people. We want white men (because they are in power) to care about black children getting killed. You do realize that to many, it appears that no really cares about children of color when they go missing, are murdered, raped and abused.

A black man was in power for 8 years. Why didn't he do anything?

Why aren't any white or black people doing anything about school shootings - almost all of which are white kids that are dying? Why are there metal detectors in inner city schools, but not all schools now?

All of the cities with high black crime rate are completely run by democratic parties, many of which are black. Why aren't they doing anything?


To just blatantly say white men don't care about black children getting killed is the EXACT hateful stereotypical prejudice that you think is just allowed to be said. Where is your proof that this is true? What do you want the "white man" to do to help? Where is the accountability that other black people are the ones committing these crimes on black children? You just rather say "it is the white man's fault"

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Come on. you know white people control the levers of power in this country, even if black ppl hold local office. NRA money, baby, that's where it all comes from, and no white republican is going to stand up to the NRA

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Anonymous wrote:I am not the previous posters in this above comments, but just the one that mentioned the Chris Rock. Not sure what was said before, but I am not defending Roseanne and already posted multiple times she is wrong and glad she was fired. What I am asking from above is that I understand the difference in political comments vs racism comments, but is that the same as why can black comedians make fun of white people as a race? Why can a black comedian wish more white kids could die with a crowd of laughter. Why is that allowed? You are saying because we were not once oppressed that he is allowed to say that? That is your rationale that it is okay to wish harm on white kids? That is your spin on it? Would it be okay for a white comedian to wish ill on black kids? My guess is you would be in an uproar.
And how do you know what Chris Rock means? He never made one comment about it after the fact. And if he is raging on why more black kids die, than white (like you are meaning he is saying) they are mostly at the hands of other black people, not white people and it happens daily. That is why it doesn't make the news. Same if a white kid killed another white kid. That doesn't make the news either. You are saying it makes 24/7 news? That is total BS. ALL school shootings make the news regardless of skin color and white killing a black person make the news. So I am not sure why you think there is news coverage 24/7 of a white person being shot. I have never seen that. I have seen many many news reports on the continued killings in Chicago. Obama was in office for 8 years and is from Chicago. Why wasn't anything done during those 8 years to improve things? I guess he can't be held accountable because he is black too? So it is now okay for Chris Rock to say he wants more white kids to die, because Trump or certain news outlets don't do enough for all the black on black killings in Chicago or that they are not put on the news every single night it happens? If that is what he means as a comedian, I would be curious as to what he thinks the solution should be. Or what you think the solution is Jeff, since that is your opinion of his disgusting comment. Also, why isn't anything being done about school shootings which are predominantly white? They keep happening without gun control changes, correct? Nothing is really being done and they keep happening more and more. Florida happens and a black comedian wishes more of them white kids would die and that is okay - because nothing is being done for black kid killings? That is supposed to make sense to you because white people were never oppressed?

I just don't get how anyone that says they would like BOTH sides to stop with the hate, is met with "you must be a Trump supporter" or "you were never oppressed" as the retort. It doesn't rationalize the hate and prejudice from one side over the other.

There is a lot to unpack here. First, you can be sure that Chris Rock doesn't really want more white kids to be killed. Being the father of two white kids, I would be appalled and offended by anyone who wanted such a thing. Comedy has long been a medium for social and political comedy. My wife grew up in the Soviet Union and tells me that comedians were the boldest political commentators because they could tell the truth as a joke and get away with it. In many ways, comedians such as Chris Rock and Michelle Wolf are similar.

So much today is only viewed through a political lens so that things are placed on a left/right spectrum even when they don't need to be. Witness this thread in which generally conservative people defend Roseanne while one poster points out that she ran for president as a Green Party member. For some reason there is a need to determine to which political tribe she belongs and then all tribal members line up in their respective corners. But, racism transcends political boundaries. It can be found across the political spectrum, indeed, even among Green Party presidential candidates.

Because of the current political tribalism everything is politicized. Surely you didn't pull Chicago out of the air because it is the best representative of gun violence today? Because it isn't and hasn't been for a long while. Moreover, gun deaths in Chicago have been decreasing. Yet, Chicago is the favorite of the right-wing. So either consciously or unconsciously, you have bought into the right-wing narrative. That narrative includes your allegation about Obama. Never mind that as President it is not his job to focus on a single city, he did take actions with regard to gun violence in Chicago. It is easy to suspect that you are more interested in "owning liberals" than reducing gun deaths.

Sadly, it seems that the only publicity the deaths of black people get comes from right-wingers trying to score political points. Like I said about racism, this transcends political affiliations. DC is extremely liberal as is the DCUM user base. Yet, DC suffered 13 shootings over Memorial Day weekend with four fatalities. Not a single thread was started on DCUM, though we have a thread about a terrorist attack in Belgium. Do you honestly believe that if 13 white people has been shot this past weekend it would be similarly ignored? Getting back to Chris Rock, this is what he was addressing. It doesn't matter who is killing black people and your suggestion that because it is other black people it isn't newsworthy is a demonstration of the problem. Blacks killing blacks is simply not considered newsworthy in this country. For a while we talked about the "missing white girl" syndrome in which we would have 24/7 coverage of a missing white girl whereas missing black girls were ignored. We have a similar situation in which black gun deaths are simply not treated as seriously as white gun deaths. This is not a left-right issue and it should not be a back-white issue. Chris Rock is using comedy to draw attention to this discrepancy.

And, while I'm on my soapbox, I am glad that racism is being condemned and Roseanne has been punished. But, she is an outspoken Islamophobe who has made bigoted comments about Muslims for years with no repercussions. Similarly, Bill Maher. Nothing would please me more than to see him taken down as some sort of revenge for Roseanne. That would be ironically fitting. But, neither of them deserves a platform in the first place given their anti-Muslim positions. If someone has a right to complain about unfairness, it is not white people offended by Chris Rock, but Muslims for whom it is still open season for bigotry.