Kim kardashian just released video of Taylor Swift's convo on her snapchat

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Anonymous wrote:Taylor's a liar!!! She's fake and phoney and this just proves it. She can't talk her way out of it.

Also Kanye really did make her famous. Sure she won that VMA but it would've gotten half the attention if he hadn't jumped on stage. That really launched her and gained her more fans who felt bad for her. Like it or not....its true

NOBODY knew who Kanye was until he jumped on stage with Taylor.

Yea... yea they did. He's been around for a long time. Much more famous and much more talented

No, not more famous or talented. He gas less songs, less sales, less Twitter followers.

He is Kim's husband to most the world or that crazy guy who has emotional issues... No not Chris brown the other one.

Are you vapid? Playing dumb for some DCUM attention? Or what? I refuse to believe anyone is this stupid. You're basing fame on Twitter followers? Kanye has a tenured career in the music industry, and while he may not be your cup of tea, you cannot diminish his accomplishments. Kanye has 21 Grammy wins to Taylor's 10. Kanye has 57 Grammy nominations to Taylor's 39. He is a powerhouse and he's had incredible longevity in music and fashion because of how talented he is. You cannot take away from that just because you do cannot appreciate his music and his talents.

Explain why such a powerful guy would make it his mission to tear down a young rising star? Does that make him a big man..... or a big bully? Is he helping her or harassing her?

I think it must be overwhelming to someone like Taylor to be the target of this creep.

No dude here is the timeline of events:

Taylor wins VMA and kanye is a total dick by intervening at the speech. But that had literally nothing to do with TS. He cared that Beyonce lost when she should have won (which she should have come on I don't even remember what video she won for but I remember single ladies). Doesn't change the fact that it was super douchey.

Media blows the hell up and TS is painted as an unfortunate victim of a bully, this bolsters her national profile as she decides to go pop mainstream. No one will ever know if one contributed to the other.

Kanye and TS make up at last years VMAs and appear to have put it behind them.

Kanye puts out this song and taylor acts horrified.

Kim and kanye say taylor knew about the song and taylor denies it left and right, adjusting her story as evidence that kk have proof of their claims. During this time Taylor sends them some serious legal paperwork ordering them to destroy all evidence of the phone call and proof of the destruction (totally the behavior of someone with nothing to hide).

Kim releases tapes that directly contradict taylor, exposing her as a liar.

So really this story has come full circle. It started out with kanye being a dick and has ended with taylor being a dick, so let's not act like anyone involved (INCLUDING TAYLOR) is innocent

Poor misunderstood, drunken Kanye...thank goodness that crafty Kim is on his side. Lol.

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Anonymous wrote:Taylor's a liar!!! She's fake and phoney and this just proves it. She can't talk her way out of it.

Also Kanye really did make her famous. Sure she won that VMA but it would've gotten half the attention if he hadn't jumped on stage. That really launched her and gained her more fans who felt bad for her. Like it or not....its true

Are you forgetting Taylor was a big deal in country music before she crossed over?

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Anonymous wrote:They're not harassing her. They're defending themselves. Why is Taylor allowed to attack whoever she wants but no ones allowed to defend themselves against her? She tried ruining John Mayer, Harry Styles, Katy perry, that Camila girl years ago (calling her a WHORE because a Joe bro chose her) Etc? I'd have to say that all of her fame is built on music about "character assassinations" of other people

This stuff recently - I can get on board with them defending themselves. They knew how the phone call went and had the footage. But Kanye and Kim have been milking this supposed TS "feud" for years. Why include that stupid lyric in the first place? Why not just STOP TALKING ABOUT TAYLOR SWIFT since they dislike her so much and apparently find her mediocre? Just STOP talking about her publicly! Gee, novel idea I know.

This! For God's Sake. This whole thing is so petty and ridiculous. But I have a bridge to sell you if you think the Kardashians don't have a vested interest in keeping this stupid feud going.

Fine but as if TS hasn't done the exact same thing. If she didn't want to be linked to them then why make her whole Grammy speech about kanye? Its supposed to be about her triumph on an album that has nothing to do with him and she invoked the feud. Why "make up" with kanye publicly? TS is very aware of her image and curates every word and picture. She got tons of mileage off the first kanye incident so she tried for a repeat. Got burned trying.

When did she make her speech about Kanye. She did not say his name. She was speaking to young women artists to stand their ground and not get sidetracked and not let someone take credit. She didn't say "someone took credit from me." She gave advice, and maybe she was saying "I never let anyone take credit from me."

I've been a fan of hers since 07. I was 22. She had a huge fan base of not just teenagers. I've never been a fan of kanye's, but I've known of his work, and not just the radio stuff, from about the same time as I knew Taylor. I agree the Kanye and Taylor groups may have not overlapped on the Venn diagram. So both circles can honestly say he made her famous, or she made him. But fact is they're both talented, and they also both hustled their way up despite a lack of some other specific talent. Let's be real.

I've been a fan since then too. My older boyfriend loved country and emo. So he loved Taylor swift and wasn't ashamed to admit it. We listened to her (first?) album all the time. Teardrops on my guitar, man. So emo. Ha ha ha. I think she took over for dashboard confessional.

Anyways, well now I don't think she acted perfectly throughout this, I think she will come out ahead. I actually hope she's done performing and will just write and produce and bring up other artists now. It's soooo obvious that kanye's wife had a sneaky huge hand in this. I think before, he mostly let his art stand for itself. Lately he resorts to terrible behavior to garner attention.

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Kim and Kanye should stop harassing Taylor. Taylor was trying to appease those two in the context of a casual yet unexpected phone call.

Kim is aging and is now playing the desperate housewife persona. She is a vile woman.

This was entrapment. If Kim and Kanye really cared about Taylor's approval, they should have taken a more businesslike approach and made a formal agreement in writing. Secretly recording her during a spontaneous phone conversation was sleazy.

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Anonymous wrote:Taylor's a liar!!! She's fake and phoney and this just proves it. She can't talk her way out of it.

Also Kanye really did make her famous. Sure she won that VMA but it would've gotten half the attention if he hadn't jumped on stage. That really launched her and gained her more fans who felt bad for her. Like it or not....its true

NOBODY knew who Kanye was until he jumped on stage with Taylor.

This just proves how ignorant you are about hip-hop.

Maybe a bunch of Maroon 5 fans didn't know him, but millions of others did

Just pointing out how ignorant your post is, hip hop knows kanye, everybody else knows Taylor... Country and pop... And guess what... More people listen to country and pop.

How famous was Kanye at 15, or even 20? Taylor will beat him in every category eventually ... Except arrests... And beating women.

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Anonymous wrote:They're not harassing her. They're defending themselves. Why is Taylor allowed to attack whoever she wants but no ones allowed to defend themselves against her? She tried ruining John Mayer, Harry Styles, Katy perry, that Camila girl years ago (calling her a WHORE because a Joe bro chose her) Etc? I'd have to say that all of her fame is built on music about "character assassinations" of other people

This stuff recently - I can get on board with them defending themselves. They knew how the phone call went and had the footage. But Kanye and Kim have been milking this supposed TS "feud" for years. Why include that stupid lyric in the first place? Why not just STOP TALKING ABOUT TAYLOR SWIFT since they dislike her so much and apparently find her mediocre? Just STOP talking about her publicly! Gee, novel idea I know.

This! For God's Sake. This whole thing is so petty and ridiculous. But I have a bridge to sell you if you think the Kardashians don't have a vested interest in keeping this stupid feud going.

Fine but as if TS hasn't done the exact same thing. If she didn't want to be linked to them then why make her whole Grammy speech about kanye? Its supposed to be about her triumph on an album that has nothing to do with him and she invoked the feud. Why "make up" with kanye publicly? TS is very aware of her image and curates every word and picture. She got tons of mileage off the first kanye incident so she tried for a repeat. Got burned trying.

When did she make her speech about Kanye. She did not say his name. She was speaking to young women artists to stand their ground and not get sidetracked and not let someone take credit. She didn't say "someone took credit from me." She gave advice, and maybe she was saying "I never let anyone take credit from me."

I've been a fan of hers since 07. I was 22. She had a huge fan base of not just teenagers. I've never been a fan of kanye's, but I've known of his work, and not just the radio stuff, from about the same time as I knew Taylor. I agree the Kanye and Taylor groups may have not overlapped on the Venn diagram. So both circles can honestly say he made her famous, or she made him. But fact is they're both talented, and they also both hustled their way up despite a lack of some other specific talent. Let's be real.

I think you make some really good points. The truth is that they were both famous when the MTV debacle happened but they were in different music genres so they had different fan bases.

I knew who both Kanye and Taylor were when the whole MTV thing happened and I have to say that I was appalled by Kanye's behavior. I thought he embarrassed not only Taylor but Beyonce as well. I honestly haven't too much of him since that episode and the whole Kardashian connection has not improved my opinion of him. But this nasty song and this vulgar video are surprisingly low moves on his part.

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Anonymous wrote:Taylor's a liar!!! She's fake and phoney and this just proves it. She can't talk her way out of it.

Also Kanye really did make her famous. Sure she won that VMA but it would've gotten half the attention if he hadn't jumped on stage. That really launched her and gained her more fans who felt bad for her. Like it or not....its true

NOBODY knew who Kanye was until he jumped on stage with Taylor.

This just proves how ignorant you are about hip-hop.

Maybe a bunch of Maroon 5 fans didn't know him, but millions of others did

Just pointing out how ignorant your post is, hip hop knows kanye, everybody else knows Taylor... Country and pop... And guess what... More people listen to country and pop.

How famous was Kanye at 15, or even 20? Taylor will beat him in every category eventually ... Except arrests... And beating women.

He had already released 4 multi-platinum albums when the VMA thing happened. He was "pop." He wouldn't have even been at the VMAs if "no one" knew him.

It's just factually incorrect to say that no one knew who he was until that incident. Maybe your grandma didn't? He'd been parodied on SNL, South Park, collaborated with a ton of artists. You don't have to like him but he wasn't c-list in 2009.

Who cares who did what at 15.

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Anonymous wrote:I loved Kanye's early music - thought he was a brilliant artist (despite the fact that he was an a-hole for jumping on stage when Taylor won her award). But when he married Kim, I just list complete interest in him and never bought another album.

I do think it's possible that Taylor agreed to the bit about him having sex with her, but not the b-tch part, and the video doesn't negate that possibility. So o don't really think she's been proven a liar.

I think all of this hoopla reflects that people are irritated by her meticulously curated image, as PP put it, which has been so over the top lately that nobody really even believes that her current relationship is genuine. At the same time, there is a rabid fascination with her life.

I'm a bit intrigued by her whole persona, her power and inflyence at such a young age. Her music, not so much.

Anyway, this will probably all blow over.

I can't stand any of the players here, so wondering why I keep reading this thread but yours is an interesting take. Maybe because I'm certain Swift is anything but genuine and can't figure out why that doesn't undermine her success in any way. I gave up my guilty pleasure of watching Access Hollywood during workouts because I swear they had some kind of contract committing them to one TS story every night. It was just numbing the mindless shit they "reported" about her.

I think she's pretty crafty in burnishing her image and can't shake the thought that something offensive from Kanye was just the outcome she wanted.

Sans the recording of her agreeing to it.

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Wow. Some of you are really invested in this.

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Anonymous wrote:Taylor's a liar!!! She's fake and phoney and this just proves it. She can't talk her way out of it.

Also Kanye really did make her famous. Sure she won that VMA but it would've gotten half the attention if he hadn't jumped on stage. That really launched her and gained her more fans who felt bad for her. Like it or not....its true

NOBODY knew who Kanye was until he jumped on stage with Taylor.

This just proves how ignorant you are about hip-hop.

Maybe a bunch of Maroon 5 fans didn't know him, but millions of others did

Just pointing out how ignorant your post is, hip hop knows kanye, everybody else knows Taylor... Country and pop... And guess what... More people listen to country and pop.

How famous was Kanye at 15, or even 20? Taylor will beat him in every category eventually ... Except arrests... And beating women.

He had already released 4 multi-platinum albums when the VMA thing happened. He was "pop." He wouldn't have even been at the VMAs if "no one" knew him.

It's just factually incorrect to say that no one knew who he was until that incident. Maybe your grandma didn't? He'd been parodied on SNL, South Park, collaborated with a ton of artists. You don't have to like him but he wasn't c-list in 2009.

Who cares who did what at 15.

He was around 32 at the time...hardly a young adult. He had been around for a while. Certainly long enough to keep his sh*t together during a teenager's bright shining moment of a lifetime....Uh, but he didn't keep his sh*t together.

And here we go again with his nonsense...

He needs to leave Taylor Swift alone.

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Anonymous wrote:Taylor's a liar!!! She's fake and phoney and this just proves it. She can't talk her way out of it.

Also Kanye really did make her famous. Sure she won that VMA but it would've gotten half the attention if he hadn't jumped on stage. That really launched her and gained her more fans who felt bad for her. Like it or not....its true

NOBODY knew who Kanye was until he jumped on stage with Taylor.

This just proves how ignorant you are about hip-hop.

Maybe a bunch of Maroon 5 fans didn't know him, but millions of others did

Just pointing out how ignorant your post is, hip hop knows kanye, everybody else knows Taylor... Country and pop... And guess what... More people listen to country and pop.

How famous was Kanye at 15, or even 20? Taylor will beat him in every category eventually ... Except arrests... And beating women.

He had already released 4 multi-platinum albums when the VMA thing happened. He was "pop." He wouldn't have even been at the VMAs if "no one" knew him.

It's just factually incorrect to say that no one knew who he was until that incident. Maybe your grandma didn't? He'd been parodied on SNL, South Park, collaborated with a ton of artists. You don't have to like him but he wasn't c-list in 2009.

Who cares who did what at 15.

Everybody knows Kanye because he has been arrested and assaults people, like Chris brown... No such thing as bad press.

He has mental illnesses and seriously needs help, it's sad.

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Anonymous wrote:it seemed like he made her famous.

He did.

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Anonymous wrote:Taylor's a liar!!! She's fake and phoney and this just proves it. She can't talk her way out of it.

Also Kanye really did make her famous. Sure she won that VMA but it would've gotten half the attention if he hadn't jumped on stage. That really launched her and gained her more fans who felt bad for her. Like it or not....its true

NOBODY knew who Kanye was until he jumped on stage with Taylor.

This just proves how ignorant you are about hip-hop.

Maybe a bunch of Maroon 5 fans didn't know him, but millions of others did

Just pointing out how ignorant your post is, hip hop knows kanye, everybody else knows Taylor... Country and pop... And guess what... More people listen to country and pop.

How famous was Kanye at 15, or even 20? Taylor will beat him in every category eventually ... Except arrests... And beating women.

He had already released 4 multi-platinum albums when the VMA thing happened. He was "pop." He wouldn't have even been at the VMAs if "no one" knew him.

It's just factually incorrect to say that no one knew who he was until that incident. Maybe your grandma didn't? He'd been parodied on SNL, South Park, collaborated with a ton of artists. You don't have to like him but he wasn't c-list in 2009.

Who cares who did what at 15.

Everybody knows Kanye because he has been arrested and assaults people, like Chris brown... No such thing as bad press.

He has mental illnesses and seriously needs help, it's sad.

Saying things over and over doesn't make them true.

As of 2009, he'd been arrested twice, and neither arrest was for domestic violence.

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Anonymous wrote:Taylor's a liar!!! She's fake and phoney and this just proves it. She can't talk her way out of it.

Also Kanye really did make her famous. Sure she won that VMA but it would've gotten half the attention if he hadn't jumped on stage. That really launched her and gained her more fans who felt bad for her. Like it or not....its true

Are you forgetting Taylor was a big deal in country music before she crossed over?

That's really not too hard, IMO. Not for a young, slim blonde girl.

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Anonymous wrote:it seemed like he made her famous.

He did.

Oh, I wasn't aware that you won your MTV award (beating out Beyonce) and THEN got famous.

Cool to know. Why don't you go ahead and try that .