Oyster-Adam teacher arrested

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No it is related because there was this whole line of thread for excluding men completely from the profession of teaching. But what about transgendered folks?

Which is a ridiculous suggestion

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:14:47 is a mess. He keeps digging his hole deeper and deeper. He's a dead giveaway.

This is the last warning I am going to give you. If you can't stop accusing other posters of being child molesters, you will be blocked from posting.

[Anonymous]

Fine. Let's cross our fingers and hope for no more victims.

[Anonymous]

Yes, in part I am asking the posters here about the idea of whether they would be comfortable with a formerly male transgendered teacher since they want to exclude all men from elementary ed. It is a somewhat Socratic question to get then to think but studies show that male role models are important in elementary ed. Personally I think both men and transgendered people are important role models.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Always thought he dressed inappropriately for a teacher who is around kids. Short shorts and very tight t-shirts, sometimes showing his mid riff. He was attractive and good at teaching so everyone looked the other way. He was friends with all the best teachers at the school and they protected him, not the kids.

You know this for a fact? I think you have to be careful about making allegations if you can't back it up with evidence. If you can provide examples, I would be open to hearing them.

I meant only they protect him be trusting him and give a patina of respectability. I am sure no one there knew what was happening except the teacher himself and the child, if there is only one child.

[Anonymous]

I don't see how short shorts and a tight fitting shirt are a dead give away of anything. If that were the case you'd have to arrest half of the folks in Italy, Spain and France in the summer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No it is related because there was this whole line of thread for excluding men completely from the profession of teaching. But what about transgendered folks?

Which is a ridiculous suggestion

I bet some men would do it!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Always thought he dressed inappropriately for a teacher who is around kids. Short shorts and very tight t-shirts, sometimes showing his mid riff. He was attractive and good at teaching so everyone looked the other way. He was friends with all the best teachers at the school and they protected him, not the kids.

You know this for a fact? I think you have to be careful about making allegations if you can't back it up with evidence. If you can provide examples, I would be open to hearing them.

I meant only they protect him be trusting him and give a patina of respectability. I am sure no one there knew what was happening except the teacher himself and the child, if there is only one child.

Thank you for clarifying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't see how short shorts and a tight fitting shirt are a dead give away of anything. If that were the case you'd have to arrest half of the folks in Italy, Spain and France in the summer.

Thing is, as much as I adore my travels in Europe, we aren't there. Hence, when in Rome, dress as the Romans.

I can't say I remember the last time I saw a 32(?) year old teacher present himself attired like that, while 'working.'

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't see how short shorts and a tight fitting shirt are a dead give away of anything. If that were the case you'd have to arrest half of the folks in Italy, Spain and France in the summer.

Certainly not a dead give away by a long shot, but maybe a sign that generally accepted boundaries are not being respected? (I'm an NP on this subject). I do think people's clothing and general put-togetherness can be telling signs about their personalities.

[Anonymous]

We are an O-A family. Mr. Pena was everyone's favorite, smart, engaged, and never set off anyone's creep detector. It is completely and totally astonishing to me. People on this thread understandably are trying to come up with "red flags" that weren't seen or policies that weren't implemented to make themselves feel better, like now they know what DIDN'T work they can prevent whether it could possibly happen to them, their kids, their school. But it can. This case is proof that it can. It is a terrible terrible thing that has happened. Teach your kids to talk to you and believe them when they do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We are an O-A family. Mr. Pena was everyone's favorite, smart, engaged, and never set off anyone's creep detector. It is completely and totally astonishing to me. People on this thread understandably are trying to come up with "red flags" that weren't seen or policies that weren't implemented to make themselves feel better, like now they know what DIDN'T work they can prevent whether it could possibly happen to them, their kids, their school. But it can. This case is proof that it can. It is a terrible terrible thing that has happened. Teach your kids to talk to you and believe them when they do.

What's your suggestion? Better luck next time? Hope your kid tells you?

[Anonymous]

Honestly, if you read the psychology today article someone posted, the signs if any are usually really hidden. I too want signs but if they aren't there or really hard for the average person to pick up on, what are we to do other than properly warn and prepare our kids and let them know what the correct boundaries are?

See. https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/shadow-boxing/201206/how-can-we-spot-child-molester

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, if you read the psychology today article someone posted, the signs if any are usually really hidden. I too want signs but if they aren't there or really hard for the average person to pick up on, what are we to do other than properly warn and prepare our kids and let them know what the correct boundaries are?

See. https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/shadow-boxing/201206/how-can-we-spot-child-molester

I think that's exactly the point that the OA person is posting. The signs are really, really difficult. there is probably nothing else you can do.

And saying the men shouldn't be teachers is about the stupidest knee jerk reaction you can have.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We are an O-A family. Mr. Pena was everyone's favorite, smart, engaged, and never set off anyone's creep detector. It is completely and totally astonishing to me. People on this thread understandably are trying to come up with "red flags" that weren't seen or policies that weren't implemented to make themselves feel better, like now they know what DIDN'T work they can prevent whether it could possibly happen to them, their kids, their school. But it can. This case is proof that it can. It is a terrible terrible thing that has happened. Teach your kids to talk to you and believe them when they do.

I agree.

My DC will be starting O-A in August. One of the issues raised that concerns me is the offering of the movie night auction item. I'm not suggesting that the children who attended or were going to attend the movie night hosted by Mr. Pena were harmed or there was intention to harm them. It just seems odd that the administration would condone that level of familiarity. Admittedly, I'm ignorant about the details and whether or not a parent chaperone would have been required to be present.