I am observing the biggest leftward cultural shift since 2008

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Anonymous wrote:For the MAGA Margie up thread who is crying and lying about Dems not talking about healthcare, here is Don the Con telling us all we need to know about his healthcare plan…just give it two more weeks. Definitely not a throwaway line. Right?!?!

Another “at least Dems arent as bad as Trump” post while ignoring the bit that Dems are still bad. People are looking for a party that offers more substance and less hypocrisy.

Trump won 49.8% of the popular vote. He is proving on a daily basis how truly unhinged he is. He is offering no plan, no platform to help everyday Americans struggling with a plethora of issues.

D’s policies align more with most Americans in regards to climate change, common sense gun legislation, women’s reproductive rights, healthcare costs, education, more funding for infrastructure, can go on and on. Just look at the legislation passed under the Biden administration.

Blah blah blah. I’ve never been a Republican. I used to consider myself a Democrat. I may still vote Democrat but I do NOT support them especially since moving to the DMV. I hope the party needs to crumble along with the GOP. Dems open their arms to everyone and stab many in the back while giving them a hug. At least you know where the GOP stands (except trump who takes a scattershot approach to everything).

blah, blah, blah is your response to Trump clearly not having a mandate?? if the Democrats were a bigger disaster as many in this thread are saying then that should have been reflected in the popular vote.

You are tons deaf. I am not defending Trump or GOP or the Dems. I am for entirely new parties. As far as I am concerned — and have been before Musk showed up — the Dems and GOP are the same. The Dems will be hard pressed to have me back volunteering or donating again as I will be supporting any party or parties looking to become a new major party.

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Anonymous wrote:Dems are done. Stand for nothing but wacky progressive policies and spending everyone else’s hard earned tax dollars on said policies. Totally out of touch with normal americans

You’re the poster child for this cesspool of a thread. Our tax dollars pay for your rotting red states. OP created this clickbait thread and y’all fell for it.

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s a video of Tucker Carlson indoctrinating young conservatives this week with left wing populist messaging about the economy and how it’s not working for the middle class with “normal jobs”:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DMEQX6dv9NI/?igsh=MTlxdzZheGt6MHRpOA==

My kids are struggling to find jobs with health insurance.

One has one but it is shaky. Other does not

What Tucker is discussing is fact

And a key reason why Democrats lost.

Exactly. Come January, anyone buying health insurance on the open market is going to see their premiums rise by 75 percent. 75 percent! Obviously Republicans suck, but when was the last time anyone heard a Democrat talk about health insurance. Who gives a damn about diversity quotas and trans rights and restorative justice and equity and globalizing the intifada when you can't afford to see a doctor? The misplaced priorities of Democrats is absolutely breathtaking. There is mass disgust in this country with both Republicans and Democrats because neither give a damn about working and middle class Americans. And progressives are just as rotten as MAGA.

Me me! I heard Harris talk about it at her debate with the felon. I guess you were washing your hair?!?!

She also recounted how many times in his first term he tried to abolish the ACA in case people were continuously washing their hair from 2016-2020.

But the problem is the Affordable Care Act did not live up to its promise of lowering healthcare costs. Do you pay less in healthcare (defined as cost of insurance and out of pocket)? Do your doctors charge your insurance companies less?

Sure the ACA expanded coverage but the premise of expanded coverage was that fewer people would seek care in emergency rooms and that would lower costs (bc the healthcare providers were complaining the source of high costs was bc they had to treat the uninsured in emergency rooms).

The ACA does include some important provisions (forcing insurance companies to cover preexisting conditions) but it also was a huge source of additional revenue for private insurance companies who do not pass their profits along to consumers. And by focusing on coverage you also don’t give any incentive to providers to curtail costs.

If Harris campaigned on her original healthcare policy from 2020 (universal coverage which allows greater leverage in cost negotiation) that would have been something to consider. Campaigning on expanding ACA when ACA has flaws is not the answer.

That’s not the point. PP said “when was the last time you heard Dems talk about healthcare” and then called me a douchebag when I pointed out that Harris talked about it throughout her campaign. You obviously didn’t listen to the clip since she talked about expanding it. Honestly the problem here is that you and pp are also mudslinging, and constantly moving the goalposts.

People overwhelmingly like Dem policies. I don’t know what’s so hard for you Dems to understand about this?! Harris was likable. There’s credible evidence showing she had more votes due to election rigging.

I like Harris a lot. But my point was not that she didn’t talk about healthcare but that in 2024 she didn’t position healthcare the right way. It should be about “expanding ACA” it should be about fixing it or trying something new. I so wish the Dem candidates were more forthright about the policies they ish that work as well as the ones that are not working. Continuing to say ACA is a success that needs to be “expanded” when it’s clear to people that they are paying more for healthcare does not resonate. I’m not moving any goal posts - I just think the Dem establishment is not setting the right goals. In this case it should be lowering healthcare costs. Not doubling down on a specific policy / legislation they supported that didn’t meet the goals.

What I really like about Mamdani is that he openly says his 5 govt covert stores (in food deserts not replacing any private stores) is an experiment that he plans to try, assess, and change depending on the outcome. That is what we need more of - not Hiliary Clinton who was so sure she had a “policy for that” but a candidate who has new ideas and proposes them as trials to honestly assess if they work.

Our currently current challenges are complex and our mix of free market and government intervention complicates things. So there is no way to know what the solution is before it’s implemented.

Another example - the Trump baby bond. That will produce a great data set to monitor to see if establishing a fund at birth for each child (long called for by progressives btw) actually moved the needle in terms of income inequality.

I like Mandani too. As a progressive, I’m all for new ideas.

BUT, I’m pushing back on the Dems not talking about or trying to reduce healthcare costs. Biden signed the No Surprises Act, which capped ER visits out of network. Then, Harris broke the tie for the Inflation Reduction Act, which helped with medical debt and healthcare costs. Here’s a decent description of it.

While, again, you may think it doesn’t go far enough they are out there trying to do something. The GOP just shot down a federal minimum wage increase in April, which would have benefited lots of low income Americans. Yet, another purported Dem pp calls this the Hunger Games and that the Dems are elites trying to push down the little people, when factually that isn’t true in the least.

https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/4932212-how-democrats-are-making-health-care-more-affordable/amp/

Minimum wage support is actually a really good example of the Hunger Games mentality of the Democrats. It’s an issue on which the wealthy Democrats have convinced themselves that they are good people while they calmly watch the working class scrabble in the killing fields of modern capitalism.

But minimum wage is a lot more complex of an issue than what people like you think, and it’s not universally seen as a net positive. And a lot of working class people don’t see voting against it as voting against their own interests, to use the grotesquely condescending language of DCUM Democrats.

You know what people who are poor and working class understand really, really well? How much stuff costs. And that includes how many costs they get passed on when their local small grocery has to compete with Walmart. And how minimum wage has been used by Democrats to decimate working class businesses in favor of large corporations. And how minimum wage increases drive prices up for them.

Have you ever had an in-depth conversation with literally any actual working class person about minimum wage? Or do you, like most DCUM Democrats, think working class people are too stupid for extended policy conversations? Your self-perception of yourself as a very, very good person for supporting minimum wage increases might be a little challenged, if you’d be willing to listen.

I’m pp, but also, why aren’t you blaming Walmart for our problems? You seem to lay all the blame on Democrats. Make it make sense for me.

DP, but what is your problem with Walmart? They provide affordable goods and well paying jobs.

Report: Walmart Workers Cost Taxpayers $6.2 Billion In Public Assistance **NOTE: This was 10 years ago, so likely much higher
https://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconnor/2014/04/15/report-walmart-workers-cost-taxpayers-6-2-billion-in-public-assistance/

Walmart is the most anti-union company in the US.
“With 1.3 million U.S. employees—more than the population of Vermont and Wyoming combined—Walmart is by far the nation’s largest private-sector employer. It’s also one of the nation’s most aggressive anti-union companies, with a long history of trying to squelch unionization efforts.”
https://populardemocracy.org/news-article/news-how-walmart-persuades-its-workers-not-unionize/

Walmart is a net destroyer of jobs.
“Consumers go to Walmart stores in search of bargains, rarely questioning why this company is able to make so much money and why the workforce scrapes by. Nor do they stop and ponder the fact that for all of its rhetoric, Walmart is a net destroyer of jobs, costing 3 jobs for every 2 “created.” Their business model, in fact, undermines existing, local retail jobs.”
https://www.phillytrib.com/commentary/walmart-and-underemployment/article_72bc4c08-1412-511b-843d-fb21f925b741.html

Walmart makes communities poorer.
“Two new research papers challenge that view. Using creative new methods, they find that the costs Walmart imposes in the form of not only lower earnings but also higher unemployment in the wider community outweigh the savings it provides for shoppers. On net, they conclude, Walmart makes the places it operates in poorer than they would be if it had never shown up at all. Sometimes consumer prices are an incomplete, even misleading, signal of economic well-being.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/economy/archive/2024/12/walmart-prices-poverty-economy/681122/

Walmart forced suppliers to manufacture products in China to stay on its shelves.
Here’s the Etch-a-Sketch example.
“Thus, when Wal-Mart wants to bargain a lower wholesale price, the supplier is forced to accept it, or face the loss of most of its business and possible bankruptcy. That translates into suppliers being squeezed, forced to pay their workers less, cut benefits and, if there is a union involved, “get tough” at the bargaining table. Eventually, suppliers are forced to go to Mexico, China, or Sri Lanka if they wish to continue to produce the goods for Wal-Mart.

Such was the case of Ohio Art, which was urged by Wal-Mart to produce a product that could sell for under $10. When introduced in 1960, Etch A Sketch sold for $3.99, and with inflation would sell for $23.99 in today’s prices. So, to keep the business, Ohio Art moved production to Shenzhen.”
https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/etch-a-sketch-and-the-wal-mart-phenomenon/

And as a result of Walmart’s practices, the US lost 400K jobs.
https://www.fastcompany.com/3054629/walmarts-trade-with-china-may-have-eliminated-400000-us-jobs

This is just scratching the surface….

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I think people need to distinguish between economic and social issues. Democrats lost an enormous amount of voters in recent years with their social priorities, both locally and nationally. Restorative Justice in schools really wrecked a lot of schools because now bullies and disruptive students have no consequences whatsoever. And that's made a lot of public schools a nightmare - and I can guarantee a lot of very liberal parents are appalled by what Democrats have done in this space. And every parent remembers local Democrats closing public schools for a year and a half while allowing private schools, bars, and restaurants to remain open.

Do not underestimate how pissed off people are when it comes to what Democrats did to public schools and kids. That is a huge issue. Democrats lost a lot of families there.

And Democrats lost a lot of other people with their encouragement of unrestricted illegal migration. Letting millions walk across the border hurt communities everywhere, especially the working and middle class. From wage pressure to higher housing costs to demands on social services to schools to crime.

Speaking of crime, why on earth are Democrats so enthusiastic about advocating for violent men rather than their victims? Another huge loss.

And DEI. Everyone understands the legacy of slavery. But it's 2025, not 1925. Preferential hiring and promotions based on race is going to piss off 85 percent of the electorate.

However, most middle class Americans understand the present economic system isn't working for them. Inflation. The costs of health care. Retirement. The quality of schools. And a hundred other real life issues.

Trump and Republicans suck. But Democrats are so lost that they offer absolutely nothing. I mean 83 year old geriatric Joe Biden? The B team diversity candidate Kamala Harris? And now what - sleaze-ball shapeshifter Gavin Newsom?

If Bernie Sanders was 20 years younger, it'd be ok. 65 year old Bernie Sanders would win in a heartbeat today. But he's 83 - too old. In the meantime, there is nothing compelling in the Democratic Party. No future Obama or anything. There is nothing about anything in the modern Democratic Party. It's just... vapor. And that makes people angry and feeling lost. This is prime time for a third party, because Democrats are an absolute failure when it comes to providing an alternative to MAGA.

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Anonymous wrote:I think people need to distinguish between economic and social issues. Democrats lost an enormous amount of voters in recent years with their social priorities, both locally and nationally. Restorative Justice in schools really wrecked a lot of schools because now bullies and disruptive students have no consequences whatsoever. And that's made a lot of public schools a nightmare - and I can guarantee a lot of very liberal parents are appalled by what Democrats have done in this space. And every parent remembers local Democrats closing public schools for a year and a half while allowing private schools, bars, and restaurants to remain open.

Do not underestimate how pissed off people are when it comes to what Democrats did to public schools and kids. That is a huge issue. Democrats lost a lot of families there.

And Democrats lost a lot of other people with their encouragement of unrestricted illegal migration. Letting millions walk across the border hurt communities everywhere, especially the working and middle class. From wage pressure to higher housing costs to demands on social services to schools to crime.

Speaking of crime, why on earth are Democrats so enthusiastic about advocating for violent men rather than their victims? Another huge loss.

And DEI. Everyone understands the legacy of slavery. But it's 2025, not 1925. Preferential hiring and promotions based on race is going to piss off 85 percent of the electorate.

However, most middle class Americans understand the present economic system isn't working for them. Inflation. The costs of health care. Retirement. The quality of schools. And a hundred other real life issues.

Trump and Republicans suck. But Democrats are so lost that they offer absolutely nothing. I mean 83 year old geriatric Joe Biden? The B team diversity candidate Kamala Harris? And now what - sleaze-ball shapeshifter Gavin Newsom?

If Bernie Sanders was 20 years younger, it'd be ok. 65 year old Bernie Sanders would win in a heartbeat today. But he's 83 - too old. In the meantime, there is nothing compelling in the Democratic Party. No future Obama or anything. There is nothing about anything in the modern Democratic Party. It's just... vapor. And that makes people angry and feeling lost. This is prime time for a third party, because Democrats are an absolute failure when it comes to providing an alternative to MAGA.

I don't understand what Democrats did to schools. My one kid just graduated high school, and her experience was fine.

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Anonymous wrote:I think people need to distinguish between economic and social issues. Democrats lost an enormous amount of voters in recent years with their social priorities, both locally and nationally. Restorative Justice in schools really wrecked a lot of schools because now bullies and disruptive students have no consequences whatsoever. And that's made a lot of public schools a nightmare - and I can guarantee a lot of very liberal parents are appalled by what Democrats have done in this space. And every parent remembers local Democrats closing public schools for a year and a half while allowing private schools, bars, and restaurants to remain open.

Do not underestimate how pissed off people are when it comes to what Democrats did to public schools and kids. That is a huge issue. Democrats lost a lot of families there.

And Democrats lost a lot of other people with their encouragement of unrestricted illegal migration. Letting millions walk across the border hurt communities everywhere, especially the working and middle class. From wage pressure to higher housing costs to demands on social services to schools to crime.

Speaking of crime, why on earth are Democrats so enthusiastic about advocating for violent men rather than their victims? Another huge loss.

And DEI. Everyone understands the legacy of slavery. But it's 2025, not 1925. Preferential hiring and promotions based on race is going to piss off 85 percent of the electorate.

However, most middle class Americans understand the present economic system isn't working for them. Inflation. The costs of health care. Retirement. The quality of schools. And a hundred other real life issues.

Trump and Republicans suck. But Democrats are so lost that they offer absolutely nothing. I mean 83 year old geriatric Joe Biden? The B team diversity candidate Kamala Harris? And now what - sleaze-ball shapeshifter Gavin Newsom?

If Bernie Sanders was 20 years younger, it'd be ok. 65 year old Bernie Sanders would win in a heartbeat today. But he's 83 - too old. In the meantime, there is nothing compelling in the Democratic Party. No future Obama or anything. There is nothing about anything in the modern Democratic Party. It's just... vapor. And that makes people angry and feeling lost. This is prime time for a third party, because Democrats are an absolute failure when it comes to providing an alternative to MAGA.

Are you a white woman? If so, you benefitted from DEI. Please Google for your edification.

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Anonymous wrote:I think people need to distinguish between economic and social issues. Democrats lost an enormous amount of voters in recent years with their social priorities, both locally and nationally. Restorative Justice in schools really wrecked a lot of schools because now bullies and disruptive students have no consequences whatsoever. And that's made a lot of public schools a nightmare - and I can guarantee a lot of very liberal parents are appalled by what Democrats have done in this space. And every parent remembers local Democrats closing public schools for a year and a half while allowing private schools, bars, and restaurants to remain open.

Do not underestimate how pissed off people are when it comes to what Democrats did to public schools and kids. That is a huge issue. Democrats lost a lot of families there.

And Democrats lost a lot of other people with their encouragement of unrestricted illegal migration. Letting millions walk across the border hurt communities everywhere, especially the working and middle class. From wage pressure to higher housing costs to demands on social services to schools to crime.

Speaking of crime, why on earth are Democrats so enthusiastic about advocating for violent men rather than their victims? Another huge loss.

And DEI. Everyone understands the legacy of slavery. But it's 2025, not 1925. Preferential hiring and promotions based on race is going to piss off 85 percent of the electorate.

However, most middle class Americans understand the present economic system isn't working for them. Inflation. The costs of health care. Retirement. The quality of schools. And a hundred other real life issues.

Trump and Republicans suck. But Democrats are so lost that they offer absolutely nothing. I mean 83 year old geriatric Joe Biden? The B team diversity candidate Kamala Harris? And now what - sleaze-ball shapeshifter Gavin Newsom?

If Bernie Sanders was 20 years younger, it'd be ok. 65 year old Bernie Sanders would win in a heartbeat today. But he's 83 - too old. In the meantime, there is nothing compelling in the Democratic Party. No future Obama or anything. There is nothing about anything in the modern Democratic Party. It's just... vapor. And that makes people angry and feeling lost. This is prime time for a third party, because Democrats are an absolute failure when it comes to providing an alternative to MAGA.

I don't understand what Democrats did to schools. My one kid just graduated high school, and her experience was fine.

Omg how are people this clueless

Removing advanced classes in the name of equity
Keeping schools closed down for years due to COVID when many schools remained open the entire time with no issues
Forcing kids to be schooled with students who disruptive and bullying
Removing teaching techniques that work and replacing them with half-baked nonsense

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Anonymous wrote:I think people need to distinguish between economic and social issues. Democrats lost an enormous amount of voters in recent years with their social priorities, both locally and nationally. Restorative Justice in schools really wrecked a lot of schools because now bullies and disruptive students have no consequences whatsoever. And that's made a lot of public schools a nightmare - and I can guarantee a lot of very liberal parents are appalled by what Democrats have done in this space. And every parent remembers local Democrats closing public schools for a year and a half while allowing private schools, bars, and restaurants to remain open.

Do not underestimate how pissed off people are when it comes to what Democrats did to public schools and kids. That is a huge issue. Democrats lost a lot of families there.

And Democrats lost a lot of other people with their encouragement of unrestricted illegal migration. Letting millions walk across the border hurt communities everywhere, especially the working and middle class. From wage pressure to higher housing costs to demands on social services to schools to crime.

Speaking of crime, why on earth are Democrats so enthusiastic about advocating for violent men rather than their victims? Another huge loss.

And DEI. Everyone understands the legacy of slavery. But it's 2025, not 1925. Preferential hiring and promotions based on race is going to piss off 85 percent of the electorate.

However, most middle class Americans understand the present economic system isn't working for them. Inflation. The costs of health care. Retirement. The quality of schools. And a hundred other real life issues.

Trump and Republicans suck. But Democrats are so lost that they offer absolutely nothing. I mean 83 year old geriatric Joe Biden? The B team diversity candidate Kamala Harris? And now what - sleaze-ball shapeshifter Gavin Newsom?

If Bernie Sanders was 20 years younger, it'd be ok. 65 year old Bernie Sanders would win in a heartbeat today. But he's 83 - too old. In the meantime, there is nothing compelling in the Democratic Party. No future Obama or anything. There is nothing about anything in the modern Democratic Party. It's just... vapor. And that makes people angry and feeling lost. This is prime time for a third party, because Democrats are an absolute failure when it comes to providing an alternative to MAGA.

Are you a white woman? If so, you benefitted from DEI. Please Google for your edification.

Many women and people of color oppose DEI even if it may benefit them to some extent.

Are you saying people should only support policies which specifically benefit their identity group?

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Anonymous wrote:I think people need to distinguish between economic and social issues. Democrats lost an enormous amount of voters in recent years with their social priorities, both locally and nationally. Restorative Justice in schools really wrecked a lot of schools because now bullies and disruptive students have no consequences whatsoever. And that's made a lot of public schools a nightmare - and I can guarantee a lot of very liberal parents are appalled by what Democrats have done in this space. And every parent remembers local Democrats closing public schools for a year and a half while allowing private schools, bars, and restaurants to remain open.

Do not underestimate how pissed off people are when it comes to what Democrats did to public schools and kids. That is a huge issue. Democrats lost a lot of families there.

And Democrats lost a lot of other people with their encouragement of unrestricted illegal migration. Letting millions walk across the border hurt communities everywhere, especially the working and middle class. From wage pressure to higher housing costs to demands on social services to schools to crime.

Speaking of crime, why on earth are Democrats so enthusiastic about advocating for violent men rather than their victims? Another huge loss.

And DEI. Everyone understands the legacy of slavery. But it's 2025, not 1925. Preferential hiring and promotions based on race is going to piss off 85 percent of the electorate.

However, most middle class Americans understand the present economic system isn't working for them. Inflation. The costs of health care. Retirement. The quality of schools. And a hundred other real life issues.

Trump and Republicans suck. But Democrats are so lost that they offer absolutely nothing. I mean 83 year old geriatric Joe Biden? The B team diversity candidate Kamala Harris? And now what - sleaze-ball shapeshifter Gavin Newsom?

If Bernie Sanders was 20 years younger, it'd be ok. 65 year old Bernie Sanders would win in a heartbeat today. But he's 83 - too old. In the meantime, there is nothing compelling in the Democratic Party. No future Obama or anything. There is nothing about anything in the modern Democratic Party. It's just... vapor. And that makes people angry and feeling lost. This is prime time for a third party, because Democrats are an absolute failure when it comes to providing an alternative to MAGA.

I don't understand what Democrats did to schools. My one kid just graduated high school, and her experience was fine.

It was an illusion, pp. The Democrats hate your child and ruined her schooling. Can’t you see how she would have been much better in Alabama where they love children and will do anything for them, including keeping schools open and prohibiting masks because sickly kids were rightly sent home for schooling and dead teachers were easily replaced?! You should never vote for these malicious and myopic monsters ever again. I mean for the rest of your life. Stop being a blind follower and never, ever forgive these greedy coastal elites.



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Anonymous wrote:I think people need to distinguish between economic and social issues. Democrats lost an enormous amount of voters in recent years with their social priorities, both locally and nationally. Restorative Justice in schools really wrecked a lot of schools because now bullies and disruptive students have no consequences whatsoever. And that's made a lot of public schools a nightmare - and I can guarantee a lot of very liberal parents are appalled by what Democrats have done in this space. And every parent remembers local Democrats closing public schools for a year and a half while allowing private schools, bars, and restaurants to remain open.

Do not underestimate how pissed off people are when it comes to what Democrats did to public schools and kids. That is a huge issue. Democrats lost a lot of families there.

And Democrats lost a lot of other people with their encouragement of unrestricted illegal migration. Letting millions walk across the border hurt communities everywhere, especially the working and middle class. From wage pressure to higher housing costs to demands on social services to schools to crime.

Speaking of crime, why on earth are Democrats so enthusiastic about advocating for violent men rather than their victims? Another huge loss.

And DEI. Everyone understands the legacy of slavery. But it's 2025, not 1925. Preferential hiring and promotions based on race is going to piss off 85 percent of the electorate.

However, most middle class Americans understand the present economic system isn't working for them. Inflation. The costs of health care. Retirement. The quality of schools. And a hundred other real life issues.

Trump and Republicans suck. But Democrats are so lost that they offer absolutely nothing. I mean 83 year old geriatric Joe Biden? The B team diversity candidate Kamala Harris? And now what - sleaze-ball shapeshifter Gavin Newsom?

If Bernie Sanders was 20 years younger, it'd be ok. 65 year old Bernie Sanders would win in a heartbeat today. But he's 83 - too old. In the meantime, there is nothing compelling in the Democratic Party. No future Obama or anything. There is nothing about anything in the modern Democratic Party. It's just... vapor. And that makes people angry and feeling lost. This is prime time for a third party, because Democrats are an absolute failure when it comes to providing an alternative to MAGA.

Are you a white woman? If so, you benefitted from DEI. Please Google for your edification.

Many women and people of color oppose DEI even if it may benefit them to some extent.

Are you saying people should only support policies which specifically benefit their identity group?

Did I say she needed to support it? No, I did not. She claimed only black people, who had roots in slavery, benefitted from DEI and that’s factually wrong. How can you support or oppose a policy until you understand what it entails? I know this seems radical! But, really, I encourage you both to do more homework instead of spewing nonsense.

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Also, DEI won’t piss off 85% of the electorate. Polling has shown that half or more than half of Americans support DEI hiring and DEI training.

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Anonymous wrote:I think people need to distinguish between economic and social issues. Democrats lost an enormous amount of voters in recent years with their social priorities, both locally and nationally. Restorative Justice in schools really wrecked a lot of schools because now bullies and disruptive students have no consequences whatsoever. And that's made a lot of public schools a nightmare - and I can guarantee a lot of very liberal parents are appalled by what Democrats have done in this space. And every parent remembers local Democrats closing public schools for a year and a half while allowing private schools, bars, and restaurants to remain open.

Do not underestimate how pissed off people are when it comes to what Democrats did to public schools and kids. That is a huge issue. Democrats lost a lot of families there.

And Democrats lost a lot of other people with their encouragement of unrestricted illegal migration. Letting millions walk across the border hurt communities everywhere, especially the working and middle class. From wage pressure to higher housing costs to demands on social services to schools to crime.

Speaking of crime, why on earth are Democrats so enthusiastic about advocating for violent men rather than their victims? Another huge loss.

And DEI. Everyone understands the legacy of slavery. But it's 2025, not 1925. Preferential hiring and promotions based on race is going to piss off 85 percent of the electorate.

However, most middle class Americans understand the present economic system isn't working for them. Inflation. The costs of health care. Retirement. The quality of schools. And a hundred other real life issues.

Trump and Republicans suck. But Democrats are so lost that they offer absolutely nothing. I mean 83 year old geriatric Joe Biden? The B team diversity candidate Kamala Harris? And now what - sleaze-ball shapeshifter Gavin Newsom?

If Bernie Sanders was 20 years younger, it'd be ok. 65 year old Bernie Sanders would win in a heartbeat today. But he's 83 - too old. In the meantime, there is nothing compelling in the Democratic Party. No future Obama or anything. There is nothing about anything in the modern Democratic Party. It's just... vapor. And that makes people angry and feeling lost. This is prime time for a third party, because Democrats are an absolute failure when it comes to providing an alternative to MAGA.

I don't understand what Democrats did to schools. My one kid just graduated high school, and her experience was fine.

Omg how are people this clueless

Removing advanced classes in the name of equity
Keeping schools closed down for years due to COVID when many schools remained open the entire time with no issues
Forcing kids to be schooled with students who disruptive and bullying
Removing teaching techniques that work and replacing them with half-baked nonsense

What are you taking about?

My kid took plenty of AP and DE classes.
They excelled in online classes during COVID.
They were never bullied.
They never complained about the teaching techniques and graduated with a gpa close to 4.2.

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Anonymous wrote:Also, DEI won’t piss off 85% of the electorate. Polling has shown that half or more than half of Americans support DEI hiring and DEI training.

The devil is in the details - most people support fairness in hiring, college admissions, etc. and oppose discrimination. Opposition to discrimination, for most people, does not mean favoring minorities over non-minorities simply because of their minority status. It all depends on how questions around DEI are framed. Most DEI policies explicitly gave preference to minorities, which is of course discrimination against all others, to redress "past discrimination" due to long-past overt discriminatory practices not experienced by anyone presently alive today. Most voters saw through DEI for what it was - discrimination based favoring certain skin colors.

Trying to bring back an emphasis on DEI to putatively promote "fairness" and "equity" will not resonate at all with most of the electorate, who see it for blatant discrimination dressed up in noble-sounding but morally bankrupt language.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think people need to distinguish between economic and social issues. Democrats lost an enormous amount of voters in recent years with their social priorities, both locally and nationally. Restorative Justice in schools really wrecked a lot of schools because now bullies and disruptive students have no consequences whatsoever. And that's made a lot of public schools a nightmare - and I can guarantee a lot of very liberal parents are appalled by what Democrats have done in this space. And every parent remembers local Democrats closing public schools for a year and a half while allowing private schools, bars, and restaurants to remain open.

Do not underestimate how pissed off people are when it comes to what Democrats did to public schools and kids. That is a huge issue. Democrats lost a lot of families there.

And Democrats lost a lot of other people with their encouragement of unrestricted illegal migration. Letting millions walk across the border hurt communities everywhere, especially the working and middle class. From wage pressure to higher housing costs to demands on social services to schools to crime.

Speaking of crime, why on earth are Democrats so enthusiastic about advocating for violent men rather than their victims? Another huge loss.

And DEI. Everyone understands the legacy of slavery. But it's 2025, not 1925. Preferential hiring and promotions based on race is going to piss off 85 percent of the electorate.

However, most middle class Americans understand the present economic system isn't working for them. Inflation. The costs of health care. Retirement. The quality of schools. And a hundred other real life issues.

Trump and Republicans suck. But Democrats are so lost that they offer absolutely nothing. I mean 83 year old geriatric Joe Biden? The B team diversity candidate Kamala Harris? And now what - sleaze-ball shapeshifter Gavin Newsom?

If Bernie Sanders was 20 years younger, it'd be ok. 65 year old Bernie Sanders would win in a heartbeat today. But he's 83 - too old. In the meantime, there is nothing compelling in the Democratic Party. No future Obama or anything. There is nothing about anything in the modern Democratic Party. It's just... vapor. And that makes people angry and feeling lost. This is prime time for a third party, because Democrats are an absolute failure when it comes to providing an alternative to MAGA.

And sadly MAGA is still completely enamored with the false mythology of DEI being about hiring or promoting less qualified gay black midget muslim amputees over the vastly and supremely more qualified white males and thereby screwing over the poor white male victims.

It isn't.

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The cluelessness from the dem defenders is the essence of the issue with democrats. They live in Privileged bubble and do not relate to most people.

I guess their egos are too fat and hungry to acknowledge that the majority of the voting populace doesn’t buy what they are selling.

All dems have to do is change what they are peddling. I’ll wager that they won’t do this and just dig their heels in harder. Because they can never admit their mistakes, like a toddler.