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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Here’s a video of Tucker Carlson indoctrinating young conservatives this week with left wing populist messaging about the economy and how it’s not working for the middle class with “normal jobs”:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DMEQX6dv9NI/?igsh=MTlxdzZheGt6MHRpOA==

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My kids are struggling to find jobs with health insurance.

One has one but it is shaky.  Other does not

What Tucker is discussing is fact

And a key reason why Democrats lost.  [/quote]

Exactly. Come January, anyone buying health insurance on the open market is going to see their premiums rise by 75 percent. 75 percent! [b]Obviously Republicans suck, but when was the last time anyone heard a Democrat talk about health insurance.[/b] Who gives a damn about diversity quotas and trans rights and restorative justice and equity and globalizing the intifada when you can't afford to see a doctor? The misplaced priorities of Democrats is absolutely breathtaking. There is mass disgust in this country with both Republicans and Democrats because neither give a damn about working and middle class Americans. And progressives are just as rotten as MAGA. [/quote]

Me me! I heard Harris talk about it at her debate with the felon. I guess you were washing your hair?!?!

[youtube]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R54uNlkUoFU[/youtube]

She also recounted how many times in his first term he tried to abolish the ACA in case people were continuously washing their hair from 2016-2020. [/quote]

But the problem is the Affordable Care Act did not live up to its promise of lowering healthcare costs.  Do you pay less in healthcare (defined as cost of insurance and out of pocket)? Do your doctors charge your insurance companies less?

Sure the ACA expanded coverage but the premise of expanded coverage was that fewer people would seek care in emergency rooms and that would lower costs (bc the healthcare providers were complaining the source of high costs was bc they had to treat the uninsured in emergency rooms).

The ACA does include some important provisions (forcing insurance companies to cover preexisting conditions) but it also was a huge source of additional revenue for private insurance companies who do not pass their profits along to consumers.  And by focusing on coverage you also don’t give any incentive to providers to curtail costs.

If Harris campaigned on her original healthcare policy from 2020 (universal coverage which allows greater leverage in cost negotiation) that would have been something to consider.  Campaigning on expanding ACA when ACA has flaws is not the answer.  [/quote]

That’s not the point. PP said “when was the last time you heard Dems talk about healthcare” and then called me a douchebag when I pointed out that Harris talked about it throughout her campaign. You obviously didn’t listen to the clip since she talked about expanding it. Honestly the problem here is that you and pp are also mudslinging, and constantly moving the goalposts.

People overwhelmingly like Dem policies. I don’t know what’s so hard for you Dems to understand about this?! Harris was likable. There’s credible evidence showing she had more votes due to election rigging. 
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I like Harris a lot. But my point was not that she didn’t talk about healthcare but that in 2024 she didn’t position healthcare the right way.  It should be about “expanding ACA” it should be about fixing it or trying something new.  I so wish the Dem candidates were more forthright about the policies they ish that work as well as the ones that are not working.  Continuing to say ACA is a success that needs to be “expanded” when it’s clear to people that they are paying more for healthcare does not resonate.  I’m not moving any goal posts - I just think the Dem establishment is not setting the right goals.  In this case it should be lowering healthcare costs.  Not doubling down on a specific policy / legislation they supported that didn’t meet the goals.

What I really like about Mamdani is that he openly says his 5 govt covert stores (in food deserts not replacing any private stores) is an experiment that he plans to try, assess, and change depending on the outcome.  That is what we need more of - not Hiliary Clinton who was so sure she had a “policy for that”  but a candidate who has new ideas and proposes them as trials to honestly assess if they work.

Our currently current challenges are complex and our mix of free market and government intervention complicates things.  So there is no way to know what the solution is before it’s implemented.

Another example - the Trump baby bond.  That will produce a great data set to monitor to see if establishing a fund at birth for each child (long called for by progressives btw) actually moved the needle in terms of income inequality.  [/quote]

I like Mandani too. As a progressive, I’m all for new ideas.

BUT, I’m pushing back on the Dems not talking about or trying to reduce healthcare costs. Biden signed the No Surprises Act, which capped ER visits out of network. Then, Harris broke the tie for the Inflation Reduction Act, which helped with medical debt and healthcare costs. Here’s a decent description of it.

While, again, you may think it doesn’t go far enough they are out there trying to do something. [b]The GOP just shot down a federal minimum wage increase in April, which would have benefited lots of low income Americans. Yet, another purported Dem pp calls this the Hunger Games and that the Dems are elites trying to push down the little people, when factually that isn’t true in the least. [/b]

https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/4932212-how-democrats-are-making-health-care-more-affordable/amp/

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Minimum wage support is actually a really good example of the Hunger Games mentality of the Democrats. It’s an issue on which the wealthy Democrats have convinced themselves that they are good people while they calmly watch the working class scrabble in the killing fields of modern capitalism.

But minimum wage is a lot more complex of an issue than what people like you think, and it’s not universally seen as a net positive. And a lot of working class people don’t see voting against it as voting against their own interests, to use the grotesquely condescending language of DCUM Democrats.

You know what people who are poor and working class understand really, really well? How much stuff costs. And that includes how many costs they get passed on when their local small grocery has to compete with Walmart. And how minimum wage has been used by Democrats to decimate working class businesses in favor of large corporations. And how minimum wage increases drive prices up for them.

Have you ever had an in-depth conversation with literally any actual working class person about minimum wage? Or do you, like most DCUM Democrats, think working class people are too stupid for extended policy conversations? Your self-perception of yourself as a very, very good person for supporting minimum wage increases might be a little challenged, if you’d be willing to listen. [/quote]

Okay, I’m listening and hear that supporting all this is wrong? Pray tell how should UMC people vote and talk to avoid this Hunger Games situation?

I don’t recall saying I was a good person for voting this way. I believe in safety nets because I believe a rising tide lifts all boats. My parents were blue collar. I went to college on the GI bill. But, I suppose you’ll tell me that’s inherently wrong too. [/quote]

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