Supreme Court Sides With Wrongly Deported Migrant

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No, cutie, he isn't.

DP. Yes he is. He is a citizen of El Salvador, currently residing in…… wait for it…. El Salvador.

I wish more of you understood the constitution. Maybe read 20 minutes a night. Understand what a group of immigrants wrote in 1787, one of the most stable constitutions in modern history. This administration has shown how important it is.

I do understand the constitution. If he was a US Citizen, he’d have rights under it. He’s not, his bid for asylum was denied.

Stop parroting bullshit.

It’s not difficult to read the Bill of Rights to see which rights are for citizens, and which rights are for everyone on US soil. If you’re having trouble understanding the definition of “person,” you could also read the Supreme Court decision on this from last week. 9-0 said these non citizens have due process rights.

Not really full rights are for citizens the other people are subjective, however this man is not on us soil so there are no US rights for him even if illegals have any

He was erroneously removed from US soil. Let's bring him here to US soil and then we can debate which rights he gets and which he doesn't.

He wouldn't qualify to come back to the US as phoney asylum was removed from countries like El Salvador which have the safest crime rates after the crack down on gangs. The idea someone should get asylum because of local crime is wild.

The idea that you can avoid due process by sneaking someone over the border is wild.

Constitution rights can be annoying. That doesn't mean you get to skip the ones you don't like, though.

As a Citizen of El Salvador, what rights does he have under the US Constitution? What rights do YOU have in El Salvador under their constitution?

Non-citizens have rights under our US Constitution. The Supreme Court has ruled on this many, many times.

https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/constitutional-rights-noncitizens/

Should a noncitizen be charged with a crime, he has exactly the same Fifth and Sixth Amendment procedural rights as a citizen, including the right to a jury trial, the right to counsel, and protection against self-incrimination. If convicted, the Eighth Amendment prevents the government from subjecting aliens to “cruel and unusual punishment” in exactly the same ways as it does with citizens.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-constitutional-rights-do-undocumented-immigrants-have <- this one is good in that it reminds us all that the US Constitution states "people" and "persons" when describing rights, it does not say "US citizens".

Correct, IF they are currently on US soil, which he is not

Then you agree that his rights while he was on US soil were violated by Noem, Homan, Rubio and Bondi. What remedy are you proposing? If we can't get him back, as those 4 claim, then hold them in contempt until he is returned. This contempt is not criminal. It is civil and there is nothing that Trump could do on his own to keep a judge from jailing all 4 of them.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn't he back home

No, cutie, he isn't.

DP. Yes he is. He is a citizen of El Salvador, currently residing in…… wait for it…. El Salvador.

I wish more of you understood the constitution. Maybe read 20 minutes a night. Understand what a group of immigrants wrote in 1787, one of the most stable constitutions in modern history. This administration has shown how important it is.

I do understand the constitution. If he was a US Citizen, he’d have rights under it. He’s not, his bid for asylum was denied.

Stop parroting bullshit.

It’s not difficult to read the Bill of Rights to see which rights are for citizens, and which rights are for everyone on US soil. If you’re having trouble understanding the definition of “person,” you could also read the Supreme Court decision on this from last week. 9-0 said these non citizens have due process rights.

Not really full rights are for citizens the other people are subjective, however this man is not on us soil so there are no US rights for him even if illegals have any

He was erroneously removed from US soil. Let's bring him here to US soil and then we can debate which rights he gets and which he doesn't.

He wouldn't qualify to come back to the US as phoney asylum was removed from countries like El Salvador which have the safest crime rates after the crack down on gangs. The idea someone should get asylum because of local crime is wild.

The idea that you can avoid due process by sneaking someone over the border is wild.

Constitution rights can be annoying. That doesn't mean you get to skip the ones you don't like, though.

As a Citizen of El Salvador, what rights does he have under the US Constitution? What rights do YOU have in El Salvador under their constitution?

Non-citizens have rights under our US Constitution. The Supreme Court has ruled on this many, many times.

https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/constitutional-rights-noncitizens/

Should a noncitizen be charged with a crime, he has exactly the same Fifth and Sixth Amendment procedural rights as a citizen, including the right to a jury trial, the right to counsel, and protection against self-incrimination. If convicted, the Eighth Amendment prevents the government from subjecting aliens to “cruel and unusual punishment” in exactly the same ways as it does with citizens.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-constitutional-rights-do-undocumented-immigrants-have <- this one is good in that it reminds us all that the US Constitution states "people" and "persons" when describing rights, it does not say "US citizens".

Correct, IF they are currently on US soil, which he is not

because he was sent away illegally without due process, so it is incumbent upon the administration to get him back and either release him, or given the the due process he is afforded under the Constitution. Anything short of that voids the Constitution as a guiding principle for our republic.[b]

I agree on all of those points, and always have. My point was (and still is) he is currently in his home country, we do not have the authority to bring him back here. His country can send him if they want, and they are refusing. His country can release him, and they haven't, so at this point, what is the plan?

Do we have the authority to grab a citizen of a country FROM that country (especially if they are not charged with a crime)?

Does Italy have the authority to come to the USA and take Amanda Knox back to Italy? How is this different?

He should not have been deported, but now that he has been, he is under the jurisdiction of El Salvador.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn't he back home

No, cutie, he isn't.

DP. Yes he is. He is a citizen of El Salvador, currently residing in…… wait for it…. El Salvador.

I wish more of you understood the constitution. Maybe read 20 minutes a night. Understand what a group of immigrants wrote in 1787, one of the most stable constitutions in modern history. This administration has shown how important it is.

I do understand the constitution. If he was a US Citizen, he’d have rights under it. He’s not, his bid for asylum was denied.

Stop parroting bullshit.

It’s not difficult to read the Bill of Rights to see which rights are for citizens, and which rights are for everyone on US soil. If you’re having trouble understanding the definition of “person,” you could also read the Supreme Court decision on this from last week. 9-0 said these non citizens have due process rights.

Not really full rights are for citizens the other people are subjective, however this man is not on us soil so there are no US rights for him even if illegals have any

He was erroneously removed from US soil. Let's bring him here to US soil and then we can debate which rights he gets and which he doesn't.

He wouldn't qualify to come back to the US as phoney asylum was removed from countries like El Salvador which have the safest crime rates after the crack down on gangs. The idea someone should get asylum because of local crime is wild.

The idea that you can avoid due process by sneaking someone over the border is wild.

Constitution rights can be annoying. That doesn't mean you get to skip the ones you don't like, though.

As a Citizen of El Salvador, what rights does he have under the US Constitution? What rights do YOU have in El Salvador under their constitution?

Non-citizens have rights under our US Constitution. The Supreme Court has ruled on this many, many times.

https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/constitutional-rights-noncitizens/

Should a noncitizen be charged with a crime, he has exactly the same Fifth and Sixth Amendment procedural rights as a citizen, including the right to a jury trial, the right to counsel, and protection against self-incrimination. If convicted, the Eighth Amendment prevents the government from subjecting aliens to “cruel and unusual punishment” in exactly the same ways as it does with citizens.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-constitutional-rights-do-undocumented-immigrants-have <- this one is good in that it reminds us all that the US Constitution states "people" and "persons" when describing rights, it does not say "US citizens".

Correct, IF they are currently on US soil, which he is not

because he was sent away illegally without due process, so it is incumbent upon the administration to get him back and either release him, or given the the due process he is afforded under the Constitution. Anything short of that voids the Constitution as a guiding principle for our republic.[b]

I agree on all of those points, and always have. My point was (and still is) he is currently in his home country, we do not have the authority to bring him back here. His country can send him if they want, and they are refusing. His country can release him, and they haven't, so at this point, what is the plan?

Do we have the authority to grab a citizen of a country FROM that country (especially if they are not charged with a crime)?

Does Italy have the authority to come to the USA and take Amanda Knox back to Italy? How is this different?

He should not have been deported, but now that he has been, he is under the jurisdiction of El Salvador.

El Salvador is not refusing to send him back. President Trump is refusing to ask them to send him back.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn't he back home

No, cutie, he isn't.

DP. Yes he is. He is a citizen of El Salvador, currently residing in…… wait for it…. El Salvador.

I wish more of you understood the constitution. Maybe read 20 minutes a night. Understand what a group of immigrants wrote in 1787, one of the most stable constitutions in modern history. This administration has shown how important it is.

I do understand the constitution. If he was a US Citizen, he’d have rights under it. He’s not, his bid for asylum was denied.

Stop parroting bullshit.

It’s not difficult to read the Bill of Rights to see which rights are for citizens, and which rights are for everyone on US soil. If you’re having trouble understanding the definition of “person,” you could also read the Supreme Court decision on this from last week. 9-0 said these non citizens have due process rights.

Not really full rights are for citizens the other people are subjective, however this man is not on us soil so there are no US rights for him even if illegals have any

He was erroneously removed from US soil. Let's bring him here to US soil and then we can debate which rights he gets and which he doesn't.

He wouldn't qualify to come back to the US as phoney asylum was removed from countries like El Salvador which have the safest crime rates after the crack down on gangs. The idea someone should get asylum because of local crime is wild.

The idea that you can avoid due process by sneaking someone over the border is wild.

Constitution rights can be annoying. That doesn't mean you get to skip the ones you don't like, though.

As a Citizen of El Salvador, what rights does he have under the US Constitution? What rights do YOU have in El Salvador under their constitution?

Non-citizens have rights under our US Constitution. The Supreme Court has ruled on this many, many times.

https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/constitutional-rights-noncitizens/

Should a noncitizen be charged with a crime, he has exactly the same Fifth and Sixth Amendment procedural rights as a citizen, including the right to a jury trial, the right to counsel, and protection against self-incrimination. If convicted, the Eighth Amendment prevents the government from subjecting aliens to “cruel and unusual punishment” in exactly the same ways as it does with citizens.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-constitutional-rights-do-undocumented-immigrants-have <- this one is good in that it reminds us all that the US Constitution states "people" and "persons" when describing rights, it does not say "US citizens".

Correct, IF they are currently on US soil, which he is not

Then you agree that his rights while he was on US soil were violated by Noem, Homan, Rubio and Bondi. What remedy are you proposing? If we can't get him back, as those 4 claim, then hold them in contempt until he is returned. This contempt is not criminal. It is civil and there is nothing that Trump could do on his own to keep a judge from jailing all 4 of them.

Yes, his rights were violated. The only remedy you are proposing is the USA grab someone from their home country and bring them here. You are OK with that? Why?

The issue is, he is already gone. We have no right to demand they send him here.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn't he back home

No, cutie, he isn't.

DP. Yes he is. He is a citizen of El Salvador, currently residing in…… wait for it…. El Salvador.

I wish more of you understood the constitution. Maybe read 20 minutes a night. Understand what a group of immigrants wrote in 1787, one of the most stable constitutions in modern history. This administration has shown how important it is.

I do understand the constitution. If he was a US Citizen, he’d have rights under it. He’s not, his bid for asylum was denied.

Stop parroting bullshit.

It’s not difficult to read the Bill of Rights to see which rights are for citizens, and which rights are for everyone on US soil. If you’re having trouble understanding the definition of “person,” you could also read the Supreme Court decision on this from last week. 9-0 said these non citizens have due process rights.

Not really full rights are for citizens the other people are subjective, however this man is not on us soil so there are no US rights for him even if illegals have any

He was erroneously removed from US soil. Let's bring him here to US soil and then we can debate which rights he gets and which he doesn't.

He wouldn't qualify to come back to the US as phoney asylum was removed from countries like El Salvador which have the safest crime rates after the crack down on gangs. The idea someone should get asylum because of local crime is wild.

The idea that you can avoid due process by sneaking someone over the border is wild.

Constitution rights can be annoying. That doesn't mean you get to skip the ones you don't like, though.

As a Citizen of El Salvador, what rights does he have under the US Constitution? What rights do YOU have in El Salvador under their constitution?

Non-citizens have rights under our US Constitution. The Supreme Court has ruled on this many, many times.

https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/constitutional-rights-noncitizens/

Should a noncitizen be charged with a crime, he has exactly the same Fifth and Sixth Amendment procedural rights as a citizen, including the right to a jury trial, the right to counsel, and protection against self-incrimination. If convicted, the Eighth Amendment prevents the government from subjecting aliens to “cruel and unusual punishment” in exactly the same ways as it does with citizens.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-constitutional-rights-do-undocumented-immigrants-have <- this one is good in that it reminds us all that the US Constitution states "people" and "persons" when describing rights, it does not say "US citizens".

Correct, IF they are currently on US soil, which he is not

Then you agree that his rights while he was on US soil were violated by Noem, Homan, Rubio and Bondi. What remedy are you proposing? If we can't get him back, as those 4 claim, then hold them in contempt until he is returned. This contempt is not criminal. It is civil and there is nothing that Trump could do on his own to keep a judge from jailing all 4 of them.

Yes, his rights were violated. The only remedy you are proposing is the USA grab someone from their home country and bring them here. You are OK with that? Why?

The issue is, he is already gone. We have no right to demand they send him here.

He is not lost in the void of El Salvador. We know exactly where he is.

Btw, we have removed people erroneously before. We get them back. It is ok. (Don't listen to Stephen Miller. He has no clue how the government works. He just makes things up )

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Anonymous wrote:Isn't he back home

No, cutie, he isn't.

DP. Yes he is. He is a citizen of El Salvador, currently residing in…… wait for it…. El Salvador.

I wish more of you understood the constitution. Maybe read 20 minutes a night. Understand what a group of immigrants wrote in 1787, one of the most stable constitutions in modern history. This administration has shown how important it is.

I do understand the constitution. If he was a US Citizen, he’d have rights under it. He’s not, his bid for asylum was denied.

Stop parroting bullshit.

It’s not difficult to read the Bill of Rights to see which rights are for citizens, and which rights are for everyone on US soil. If you’re having trouble understanding the definition of “person,” you could also read the Supreme Court decision on this from last week. 9-0 said these non citizens have due process rights.

Not really full rights are for citizens the other people are subjective, however this man is not on us soil so there are no US rights for him even if illegals have any

He was erroneously removed from US soil. Let's bring him here to US soil and then we can debate which rights he gets and which he doesn't.

He wouldn't qualify to come back to the US as phoney asylum was removed from countries like El Salvador which have the safest crime rates after the crack down on gangs. The idea someone should get asylum because of local crime is wild.

The idea that you can avoid due process by sneaking someone over the border is wild.

Constitution rights can be annoying. That doesn't mean you get to skip the ones you don't like, though.

As a Citizen of El Salvador, what rights does he have under the US Constitution? What rights do YOU have in El Salvador under their constitution?

Non-citizens have rights under our US Constitution. The Supreme Court has ruled on this many, many times.

https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/constitutional-rights-noncitizens/

Should a noncitizen be charged with a crime, he has exactly the same Fifth and Sixth Amendment procedural rights as a citizen, including the right to a jury trial, the right to counsel, and protection against self-incrimination. If convicted, the Eighth Amendment prevents the government from subjecting aliens to “cruel and unusual punishment” in exactly the same ways as it does with citizens.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-constitutional-rights-do-undocumented-immigrants-have <- this one is good in that it reminds us all that the US Constitution states "people" and "persons" when describing rights, it does not say "US citizens".

Correct, IF they are currently on US soil, which he is not

Then you agree that his rights while he was on US soil were violated by Noem, Homan, Rubio and Bondi. What remedy are you proposing? If we can't get him back, as those 4 claim, then hold them in contempt until he is returned. This contempt is not criminal. It is civil and there is nothing that Trump could do on his own to keep a judge from jailing all 4 of them.

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I would add the attorneys too.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn't he back home

No, cutie, he isn't.

DP. Yes he is. He is a citizen of El Salvador, currently residing in…… wait for it…. El Salvador.

I wish more of you understood the constitution. Maybe read 20 minutes a night. Understand what a group of immigrants wrote in 1787, one of the most stable constitutions in modern history. This administration has shown how important it is.

I do understand the constitution. If he was a US Citizen, he’d have rights under it. He’s not, his bid for asylum was denied.

Stop parroting bullshit.

It’s not difficult to read the Bill of Rights to see which rights are for citizens, and which rights are for everyone on US soil. If you’re having trouble understanding the definition of “person,” you could also read the Supreme Court decision on this from last week. 9-0 said these non citizens have due process rights.

Not really full rights are for citizens the other people are subjective, however this man is not on us soil so there are no US rights for him even if illegals have any

He was erroneously removed from US soil. Let's bring him here to US soil and then we can debate which rights he gets and which he doesn't.

He wouldn't qualify to come back to the US as phoney asylum was removed from countries like El Salvador which have the safest crime rates after the crack down on gangs. The idea someone should get asylum because of local crime is wild.

The idea that you can avoid due process by sneaking someone over the border is wild.

Constitution rights can be annoying. That doesn't mean you get to skip the ones you don't like, though.

As a Citizen of El Salvador, what rights does he have under the US Constitution? What rights do YOU have in El Salvador under their constitution?

Non-citizens have rights under our US Constitution. The Supreme Court has ruled on this many, many times.

https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/constitutional-rights-noncitizens/

Should a noncitizen be charged with a crime, he has exactly the same Fifth and Sixth Amendment procedural rights as a citizen, including the right to a jury trial, the right to counsel, and protection against self-incrimination. If convicted, the Eighth Amendment prevents the government from subjecting aliens to “cruel and unusual punishment” in exactly the same ways as it does with citizens.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-constitutional-rights-do-undocumented-immigrants-have <- this one is good in that it reminds us all that the US Constitution states "people" and "persons" when describing rights, it does not say "US citizens".

Correct, IF they are currently on US soil, which he is not

Then you agree that his rights while he was on US soil were violated by Noem, Homan, Rubio and Bondi. What remedy are you proposing? If we can't get him back, as those 4 claim, then hold them in contempt until he is returned. This contempt is not criminal. It is civil and there is nothing that Trump could do on his own to keep a judge from jailing all 4 of them.

Yes, his rights were violated. The only remedy you are proposing is the USA grab someone from their home country and bring them here. You are OK with that? Why?

The issue is, he is already gone. We have no right to demand they send him here.

The US used to be good at diplomatic negotiation. We can't get him back because we are not bothering to try because our leadership is unethical and immoral and, for those of is who believe in Heaven and Hell, eventually headed there.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn't he back home

No, cutie, he isn't.

DP. Yes he is. He is a citizen of El Salvador, currently residing in…… wait for it…. El Salvador.

I wish more of you understood the constitution. Maybe read 20 minutes a night. Understand what a group of immigrants wrote in 1787, one of the most stable constitutions in modern history. This administration has shown how important it is.

I do understand the constitution. If he was a US Citizen, he’d have rights under it. He’s not, his bid for asylum was denied.

Stop parroting bullshit.

It’s not difficult to read the Bill of Rights to see which rights are for citizens, and which rights are for everyone on US soil. If you’re having trouble understanding the definition of “person,” you could also read the Supreme Court decision on this from last week. 9-0 said these non citizens have due process rights.

Not really full rights are for citizens the other people are subjective, however this man is not on us soil so there are no US rights for him even if illegals have any

He was erroneously removed from US soil. Let's bring him here to US soil and then we can debate which rights he gets and which he doesn't.

He wouldn't qualify to come back to the US as phoney asylum was removed from countries like El Salvador which have the safest crime rates after the crack down on gangs. The idea someone should get asylum because of local crime is wild.

The idea that you can avoid due process by sneaking someone over the border is wild.

Constitution rights can be annoying. That doesn't mean you get to skip the ones you don't like, though.

As a Citizen of El Salvador, what rights does he have under the US Constitution? What rights do YOU have in El Salvador under their constitution?

Non-citizens have rights under our US Constitution. The Supreme Court has ruled on this many, many times.

https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/constitutional-rights-noncitizens/

Should a noncitizen be charged with a crime, he has exactly the same Fifth and Sixth Amendment procedural rights as a citizen, including the right to a jury trial, the right to counsel, and protection against self-incrimination. If convicted, the Eighth Amendment prevents the government from subjecting aliens to “cruel and unusual punishment” in exactly the same ways as it does with citizens.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-constitutional-rights-do-undocumented-immigrants-have <- this one is good in that it reminds us all that the US Constitution states "people" and "persons" when describing rights, it does not say "US citizens".

Correct, IF they are currently on US soil, which he is not

because he was sent away illegally without due process, so it is incumbent upon the administration to get him back and either release him, or given the the due process he is afforded under the Constitution. Anything short of that voids the Constitution as a guiding principle for our republic.[b]

I agree on all of those points, and always have. My point was (and still is) he is currently in his home country, we do not have the authority to bring him back here. His country can send him if they want, and they are refusing. His country can release him, and they haven't, so at this point, what is the plan?

Do we have the authority to grab a citizen of a country FROM that country (especially if they are not charged with a crime)?

Does Italy have the authority to come to the USA and take Amanda Knox back to Italy? How is this different?

He should not have been deported, but now that he has been, he is under the jurisdiction of El Salvador.

Do you honestly believe the US entered into an agreement where they have no right to get a prisoner back? I don’t believe that.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn't he back home

No, cutie, he isn't.

DP. Yes he is. He is a citizen of El Salvador, currently residing in…… wait for it…. El Salvador.

I wish more of you understood the constitution. Maybe read 20 minutes a night. Understand what a group of immigrants wrote in 1787, one of the most stable constitutions in modern history. This administration has shown how important it is.

I do understand the constitution. If he was a US Citizen, he’d have rights under it. He’s not, his bid for asylum was denied.

Stop parroting bullshit.

It’s not difficult to read the Bill of Rights to see which rights are for citizens, and which rights are for everyone on US soil. If you’re having trouble understanding the definition of “person,” you could also read the Supreme Court decision on this from last week. 9-0 said these non citizens have due process rights.

Not really full rights are for citizens the other people are subjective, however this man is not on us soil so there are no US rights for him even if illegals have any

He was erroneously removed from US soil. Let's bring him here to US soil and then we can debate which rights he gets and which he doesn't.

He wouldn't qualify to come back to the US as phoney asylum was removed from countries like El Salvador which have the safest crime rates after the crack down on gangs. The idea someone should get asylum because of local crime is wild.

The idea that you can avoid due process by sneaking someone over the border is wild.

Constitution rights can be annoying. That doesn't mean you get to skip the ones you don't like, though.

As a Citizen of El Salvador, what rights does he have under the US Constitution? What rights do YOU have in El Salvador under their constitution?

Non-citizens have rights under our US Constitution. The Supreme Court has ruled on this many, many times.

https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/constitutional-rights-noncitizens/

Should a noncitizen be charged with a crime, he has exactly the same Fifth and Sixth Amendment procedural rights as a citizen, including the right to a jury trial, the right to counsel, and protection against self-incrimination. If convicted, the Eighth Amendment prevents the government from subjecting aliens to “cruel and unusual punishment” in exactly the same ways as it does with citizens.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-constitutional-rights-do-undocumented-immigrants-have <- this one is good in that it reminds us all that the US Constitution states "people" and "persons" when describing rights, it does not say "US citizens".

Correct, IF they are currently on US soil, which he is not

Then you agree that his rights while he was on US soil were violated by Noem, Homan, Rubio and Bondi. What remedy are you proposing? If we can't get him back, as those 4 claim, then hold them in contempt until he is returned. This contempt is not criminal. It is civil and there is nothing that Trump could do on his own to keep a judge from jailing all 4 of them.

Yes, his rights were violated. The only remedy you are proposing is the USA grab someone from their home country and bring them here. You are OK with that? Why?

The issue is, he is already gone. We have no right to demand they send him here.

The US used to be good at diplomatic negotiation. We can't get him back because we are not bothering to try because our leadership is unethical and immoral and, for those of is who believe in Heaven and Hell, eventually headed there.

DP to add, I meant Hell. Our current leadership is headed to Hell.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn't he back home

No, cutie, he isn't.

DP. Yes he is. He is a citizen of El Salvador, currently residing in…… wait for it…. El Salvador.

I wish more of you understood the constitution. Maybe read 20 minutes a night. Understand what a group of immigrants wrote in 1787, one of the most stable constitutions in modern history. This administration has shown how important it is.

I do understand the constitution. If he was a US Citizen, he’d have rights under it. He’s not, his bid for asylum was denied.

Stop parroting bullshit.

It’s not difficult to read the Bill of Rights to see which rights are for citizens, and which rights are for everyone on US soil. If you’re having trouble understanding the definition of “person,” you could also read the Supreme Court decision on this from last week. 9-0 said these non citizens have due process rights.

Not really full rights are for citizens the other people are subjective, however this man is not on us soil so there are no US rights for him even if illegals have any

He was erroneously removed from US soil. Let's bring him here to US soil and then we can debate which rights he gets and which he doesn't.

He wouldn't qualify to come back to the US as phoney asylum was removed from countries like El Salvador which have the safest crime rates after the crack down on gangs. The idea someone should get asylum because of local crime is wild.

The idea that you can avoid due process by sneaking someone over the border is wild.

Constitution rights can be annoying. That doesn't mean you get to skip the ones you don't like, though.

As a Citizen of El Salvador, what rights does he have under the US Constitution? What rights do YOU have in El Salvador under their constitution?

Non-citizens have rights under our US Constitution. The Supreme Court has ruled on this many, many times.

https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/constitutional-rights-noncitizens/

Should a noncitizen be charged with a crime, he has exactly the same Fifth and Sixth Amendment procedural rights as a citizen, including the right to a jury trial, the right to counsel, and protection against self-incrimination. If convicted, the Eighth Amendment prevents the government from subjecting aliens to “cruel and unusual punishment” in exactly the same ways as it does with citizens.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-constitutional-rights-do-undocumented-immigrants-have <- this one is good in that it reminds us all that the US Constitution states "people" and "persons" when describing rights, it does not say "US citizens".

Correct, IF they are currently on US soil, which he is not

Then you agree that his rights while he was on US soil were violated by Noem, Homan, Rubio and Bondi. What remedy are you proposing? If we can't get him back, as those 4 claim, then hold them in contempt until he is returned. This contempt is not criminal. It is civil and there is nothing that Trump could do on his own to keep a judge from jailing all 4 of them.

Yes, his rights were violated. The only remedy you are proposing is the USA grab someone from their home country and bring them here. You are OK with that? Why?

The issue is, he is already gone. We have no right to demand they send him here.

Which means ANYONE can be removed and sent to El Salvador and there is no recourse.

https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lmrzhcf5k22v

Next are US citizens that Trump doesn't like. Liz Cheney on down to some rando who posted a mean tweet.

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No, cutie, he isn't.

DP. Yes he is. He is a citizen of El Salvador, currently residing in…… wait for it…. El Salvador.

I wish more of you understood the constitution. Maybe read 20 minutes a night. Understand what a group of immigrants wrote in 1787, one of the most stable constitutions in modern history. This administration has shown how important it is.

I do understand the constitution. If he was a US Citizen, he’d have rights under it. He’s not, his bid for asylum was denied.

Stop parroting bullshit.

It’s not difficult to read the Bill of Rights to see which rights are for citizens, and which rights are for everyone on US soil. If you’re having trouble understanding the definition of “person,” you could also read the Supreme Court decision on this from last week. 9-0 said these non citizens have due process rights.

Not really full rights are for citizens the other people are subjective, however this man is not on us soil so there are no US rights for him even if illegals have any

He was erroneously removed from US soil. Let's bring him here to US soil and then we can debate which rights he gets and which he doesn't.

He wouldn't qualify to come back to the US as phoney asylum was removed from countries like El Salvador which have the safest crime rates after the crack down on gangs. The idea someone should get asylum because of local crime is wild.

The idea that you can avoid due process by sneaking someone over the border is wild.

Constitution rights can be annoying. That doesn't mean you get to skip the ones you don't like, though.

As a Citizen of El Salvador, what rights does he have under the US Constitution? What rights do YOU have in El Salvador under their constitution?

Non-citizens have rights under our US Constitution. The Supreme Court has ruled on this many, many times.

https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/constitutional-rights-noncitizens/

Should a noncitizen be charged with a crime, he has exactly the same Fifth and Sixth Amendment procedural rights as a citizen, including the right to a jury trial, the right to counsel, and protection against self-incrimination. If convicted, the Eighth Amendment prevents the government from subjecting aliens to “cruel and unusual punishment” in exactly the same ways as it does with citizens.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-constitutional-rights-do-undocumented-immigrants-have <- this one is good in that it reminds us all that the US Constitution states "people" and "persons" when describing rights, it does not say "US citizens".

Correct, IF they are currently on US soil, which he is not

Then you agree that his rights while he was on US soil were violated by Noem, Homan, Rubio and Bondi. What remedy are you proposing? If we can't get him back, as those 4 claim, then hold them in contempt until he is returned. This contempt is not criminal. It is civil and there is nothing that Trump could do on his own to keep a judge from jailing all 4 of them.

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I would add the attorneys too.

The attorneys aren't the cause nor are they the solution. In these cases, most are just line workers spouting what their "clients" tell them to spout.

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No, cutie, he isn't.

DP. Yes he is. He is a citizen of El Salvador, currently residing in…… wait for it…. El Salvador.

I wish more of you understood the constitution. Maybe read 20 minutes a night. Understand what a group of immigrants wrote in 1787, one of the most stable constitutions in modern history. This administration has shown how important it is.

I do understand the constitution. If he was a US Citizen, he’d have rights under it. He’s not, his bid for asylum was denied.

Stop parroting bullshit.

It’s not difficult to read the Bill of Rights to see which rights are for citizens, and which rights are for everyone on US soil. If you’re having trouble understanding the definition of “person,” you could also read the Supreme Court decision on this from last week. 9-0 said these non citizens have due process rights.

Not really full rights are for citizens the other people are subjective, however this man is not on us soil so there are no US rights for him even if illegals have any

He was erroneously removed from US soil. Let's bring him here to US soil and then we can debate which rights he gets and which he doesn't.

He wouldn't qualify to come back to the US as phoney asylum was removed from countries like El Salvador which have the safest crime rates after the crack down on gangs. The idea someone should get asylum because of local crime is wild.

The idea that you can avoid due process by sneaking someone over the border is wild.

Constitution rights can be annoying. That doesn't mean you get to skip the ones you don't like, though.

As a Citizen of El Salvador, what rights does he have under the US Constitution? What rights do YOU have in El Salvador under their constitution?

Non-citizens have rights under our US Constitution. The Supreme Court has ruled on this many, many times.

https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/constitutional-rights-noncitizens/

Should a noncitizen be charged with a crime, he has exactly the same Fifth and Sixth Amendment procedural rights as a citizen, including the right to a jury trial, the right to counsel, and protection against self-incrimination. If convicted, the Eighth Amendment prevents the government from subjecting aliens to “cruel and unusual punishment” in exactly the same ways as it does with citizens.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-constitutional-rights-do-undocumented-immigrants-have <- this one is good in that it reminds us all that the US Constitution states "people" and "persons" when describing rights, it does not say "US citizens".

Correct, IF they are currently on US soil, which he is not

Then you agree that his rights while he was on US soil were violated by Noem, Homan, Rubio and Bondi. What remedy are you proposing? If we can't get him back, as those 4 claim, then hold them in contempt until he is returned. This contempt is not criminal. It is civil and there is nothing that Trump could do on his own to keep a judge from jailing all 4 of them.

Yes, his rights were violated. The only remedy you are proposing is the USA grab someone from their home country and bring them here. You are OK with that? Why?

The issue is, he is already gone. We have no right to demand they send him here.

I didn't. I proposed jailing the "client". Or perhaps expanding Bivens and permitting him to sue those 4 personally. A judgement of 100 million against each of them might discourage future Trumpian orclets from smashing the constitution.

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No, cutie, he isn't.

DP. Yes he is. He is a citizen of El Salvador, currently residing in…… wait for it…. El Salvador.

I wish more of you understood the constitution. Maybe read 20 minutes a night. Understand what a group of immigrants wrote in 1787, one of the most stable constitutions in modern history. This administration has shown how important it is.

I do understand the constitution. If he was a US Citizen, he’d have rights under it. He’s not, his bid for asylum was denied.

Stop parroting bullshit.

It’s not difficult to read the Bill of Rights to see which rights are for citizens, and which rights are for everyone on US soil. If you’re having trouble understanding the definition of “person,” you could also read the Supreme Court decision on this from last week. 9-0 said these non citizens have due process rights.

Not really full rights are for citizens the other people are subjective, however this man is not on us soil so there are no US rights for him even if illegals have any

He was erroneously removed from US soil. Let's bring him here to US soil and then we can debate which rights he gets and which he doesn't.

He wouldn't qualify to come back to the US as phoney asylum was removed from countries like El Salvador which have the safest crime rates after the crack down on gangs. The idea someone should get asylum because of local crime is wild.

The idea that you can avoid due process by sneaking someone over the border is wild.

Constitution rights can be annoying. That doesn't mean you get to skip the ones you don't like, though.

As a Citizen of El Salvador, what rights does he have under the US Constitution? What rights do YOU have in El Salvador under their constitution?

Non-citizens have rights under our US Constitution. The Supreme Court has ruled on this many, many times.

https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/constitutional-rights-noncitizens/

Should a noncitizen be charged with a crime, he has exactly the same Fifth and Sixth Amendment procedural rights as a citizen, including the right to a jury trial, the right to counsel, and protection against self-incrimination. If convicted, the Eighth Amendment prevents the government from subjecting aliens to “cruel and unusual punishment” in exactly the same ways as it does with citizens.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-constitutional-rights-do-undocumented-immigrants-have <- this one is good in that it reminds us all that the US Constitution states "people" and "persons" when describing rights, it does not say "US citizens".

Correct, IF they are currently on US soil, which he is not

because he was sent away illegally without due process, so it is incumbent upon the administration to get him back and either release him, or given the the due process he is afforded under the Constitution. Anything short of that voids the Constitution as a guiding principle for our republic.[b]

I agree on all of those points, and always have. My point was (and still is) he is currently in his home country, we do not have the authority to bring him back here. His country can send him if they want, and they are refusing. His country can release him, and they haven't, so at this point, what is the plan?

Do we have the authority to grab a citizen of a country FROM that country (especially if they are not charged with a crime)?

Does Italy have the authority to come to the USA and take Amanda Knox back to Italy? How is this different?

He should not have been deported, but now that he has been, he is under the jurisdiction of El Salvador.

Do you honestly believe the US entered into an agreement where they have no right to get a prisoner back? I don’t believe that.

In one of the decisions, the judge gave an outline of the agreement. It is to house these deportees for one year or until the US informs El Salvador of the ultimate disposition of the person.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn't he back home

No, cutie, he isn't.

DP. Yes he is. He is a citizen of El Salvador, currently residing in…… wait for it…. El Salvador.

I wish more of you understood the constitution. Maybe read 20 minutes a night. Understand what a group of immigrants wrote in 1787, one of the most stable constitutions in modern history. This administration has shown how important it is.

I do understand the constitution. If he was a US Citizen, he’d have rights under it. He’s not, his bid for asylum was denied.

Stop parroting bullshit.

It’s not difficult to read the Bill of Rights to see which rights are for citizens, and which rights are for everyone on US soil. If you’re having trouble understanding the definition of “person,” you could also read the Supreme Court decision on this from last week. 9-0 said these non citizens have due process rights.

Not really full rights are for citizens the other people are subjective, however this man is not on us soil so there are no US rights for him even if illegals have any

He was erroneously removed from US soil. Let's bring him here to US soil and then we can debate which rights he gets and which he doesn't.

He wouldn't qualify to come back to the US as phoney asylum was removed from countries like El Salvador which have the safest crime rates after the crack down on gangs. The idea someone should get asylum because of local crime is wild.

The idea that you can avoid due process by sneaking someone over the border is wild.

Constitution rights can be annoying. That doesn't mean you get to skip the ones you don't like, though.

As a Citizen of El Salvador, what rights does he have under the US Constitution? What rights do YOU have in El Salvador under their constitution?

Non-citizens have rights under our US Constitution. The Supreme Court has ruled on this many, many times.

https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/constitutional-rights-noncitizens/

Should a noncitizen be charged with a crime, he has exactly the same Fifth and Sixth Amendment procedural rights as a citizen, including the right to a jury trial, the right to counsel, and protection against self-incrimination. If convicted, the Eighth Amendment prevents the government from subjecting aliens to “cruel and unusual punishment” in exactly the same ways as it does with citizens.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-constitutional-rights-do-undocumented-immigrants-have <- this one is good in that it reminds us all that the US Constitution states "people" and "persons" when describing rights, it does not say "US citizens".

Correct, IF they are currently on US soil, which he is not

Then you agree that his rights while he was on US soil were violated by Noem, Homan, Rubio and Bondi. What remedy are you proposing? If we can't get him back, as those 4 claim, then hold them in contempt until he is returned. This contempt is not criminal. It is civil and there is nothing that Trump could do on his own to keep a judge from jailing all 4 of them.

+1

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No, cutie, he isn't.

DP. Yes he is. He is a citizen of El Salvador, currently residing in…… wait for it…. El Salvador.

I wish more of you understood the constitution. Maybe read 20 minutes a night. Understand what a group of immigrants wrote in 1787, one of the most stable constitutions in modern history. This administration has shown how important it is.

I do understand the constitution. If he was a US Citizen, he’d have rights under it. He’s not, his bid for asylum was denied.

Stop parroting bullshit.

It’s not difficult to read the Bill of Rights to see which rights are for citizens, and which rights are for everyone on US soil. If you’re having trouble understanding the definition of “person,” you could also read the Supreme Court decision on this from last week. 9-0 said these non citizens have due process rights.

Not really full rights are for citizens the other people are subjective, however this man is not on us soil so there are no US rights for him even if illegals have any

He was erroneously removed from US soil. Let's bring him here to US soil and then we can debate which rights he gets and which he doesn't.

He wouldn't qualify to come back to the US as phoney asylum was removed from countries like El Salvador which have the safest crime rates after the crack down on gangs. The idea someone should get asylum because of local crime is wild.

The idea that you can avoid due process by sneaking someone over the border is wild.

Constitution rights can be annoying. That doesn't mean you get to skip the ones you don't like, though.

As a Citizen of El Salvador, what rights does he have under the US Constitution? What rights do YOU have in El Salvador under their constitution?

Non-citizens have rights under our US Constitution. The Supreme Court has ruled on this many, many times.

https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/constitutional-rights-noncitizens/

Should a noncitizen be charged with a crime, he has exactly the same Fifth and Sixth Amendment procedural rights as a citizen, including the right to a jury trial, the right to counsel, and protection against self-incrimination. If convicted, the Eighth Amendment prevents the government from subjecting aliens to “cruel and unusual punishment” in exactly the same ways as it does with citizens.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-constitutional-rights-do-undocumented-immigrants-have <- this one is good in that it reminds us all that the US Constitution states "people" and "persons" when describing rights, it does not say "US citizens".

Correct, IF they are currently on US soil, which he is not

Then you agree that his rights while he was on US soil were violated by Noem, Homan, Rubio and Bondi. What remedy are you proposing? If we can't get him back, as those 4 claim, then hold them in contempt until he is returned. This contempt is not criminal. It is civil and there is nothing that Trump could do on his own to keep a judge from jailing all 4 of them.

Yes, his rights were violated. The only remedy you are proposing is the USA grab someone from their home country and bring them here. You are OK with that? Why?

The issue is, he is already gone. We have no right to demand they send him here.

NP. Do you genuinely think that if Trump asked for him back the president of El Salvador would say no? Clearly Trump has asked him to say no. We could get him back the same way we get hostages back. We negotiate. We screwed up by sending him there so now we need to offer something to get him back. This isn’t complicated to understand, which makes me think you’re intentionally not understanding.