Supreme Court Sides With Wrongly Deported Migrant

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Anonymous wrote:Here are the actual documents. Page 9 is HIS appeal in December 2019. Notice it says "respondent". That’s him. He brought the action.

Page 10: ORDER:Appeal is denied. He lost for the 2nd time

https://www.justice.gov/ag/media/1396906/dl?inline


That order was about bond/detention.
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Anonymous wrote:He’s doing fine and may well decide he wants to stay in El Salvador at this point. He’s already been moved to a nicer facility.

“Kilmar Abrego Garcia reported to Sen. Chris Van Hollen during a meeting in El Salvador that he was moved nine days ago from that country's Terrorism Confinement Center, or CECOT, to another facility with better conditions.”

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/04/18/senator-van-hollen-kilmar-abrego-garcia-deported/83155989007/




"The guy who America knowingly sent to a torture camp got moved to a nicer prison solely because a Senator personally got involved with his case, therefore it's fine to keep taking untold numbers of human beings off of American soil and knowingly sending them to torture camps."

It's unbelievable and sickening that people who call themselves Americans think things like this. I used to think our country was better than this but these past few years have proved we are rotten to the core with the kinds of people who would have willingly and joyfully sent their Jewish neighbors to concentration camps in 1940s Germany.

It's not OK that these torture camps exist in El Salvador. It's not OK that America is sending anyone to torture camps in El Salvador. The fact that one single person escaped the torture camp in El Salvador does not make it OK that they exist and we're sending people there.

We used to fight wars against countries with torture camps. We called the people who fought against them the "greatest generation" for a reason. If you're not against sending ANYONE from the US to a torture camp you're against America.


Yes. As a reminder, Germany built all of its first and most of its total concentration camps (until midway through the war) outside of Germany.

This precedent suggests further that any of us, once kidnapped by law enforcement and having left the country, are allowed any treatment legally. Please explain how forcing a third generation American from Nebraska with no due process into a jet owned by Venezuelan and then the Venezuelans shoving him out of the plan over international waters, and the US paying them to do this would be against the law if the treatment of Kilgore Garcia is legal.

There is legal and there is illegal but can't be fixed. Or at least the courts cannot order a fix.


So what's the solution? Just give up and let Trump run rampant until there is a sufficient change in Congress to permit impeachment? If this Constitutional issue just gets ignored with no remedy, ALL inconvenient Constitutional protections evaporate. Do yo want that?

Unless this is stamped down now, not the Trump agenda but the petulent disregard for federal law and the Constitution, it will only stop if someone important is tragically caught up in one of the assaults and dies or is incarcerated.


Run rampant? You mean like Biden refusing to enforce immigration law and throwing the borders wide open? Just who the F are you?


Show me where Biden imprisoned someone without due process and then I will take you seriously. Who the F are YOU? Someone who doesn’t understand the importance of our constitution apparently.


DP. Just one example is all you need? Ok, here’s one.

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/12/02/joe-biden-ice-immigration-detention/

If that’s not enough, the ACLU has a report showing the number of immigrants detained in prisons doubled between 2021 and 2023.

https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/unchecked-growth-private-prison-corporations-and-immigration-detention-three-years-into-the-biden-administration

Where was your outrage then? Constitution was just written I guess.



Where does it say that this was done without due process? No one ever said you cannot put people in prison at all.


11 Months with no trial is considered due process, but 2 hearings isn’t. Gotcha.


He was granted the right to stay per his latest hearing. Why are you referencing irrelevant prior hearings?
He was not granted the right to stay.


His last hearing granted withholding of removal, that was in 2019 and never appealed within 30 days, under Trump. He cannot be now removed without further due process.


Nope. HE appealed in Dec 2019 and lost. He was set to go


Huh? No.


The actual court documents have been posted in this thread. They’re not hard to understand. He had a hearing in June 2019, and lost. He appealed in December 2019, and lost. There was nothing for the Trump admin to appeal, as they won.
Like I said, the order is confusing. He got withholding of removal in October 2019.


Then he lost in December. December is AFTER October. He had a removal order, and still does. The ONLY mistake was where.

There is zero chance he ever lives in the USA again. Zero.

Most everyone assumed the order was deport, lose appeal so again deport, then withholding of removal. Strange it went in a different order.


Withholding of removal generally is not available when the AG determines someone is a terrorist. I think that's what makes this case an oddball.
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So much focus on one guy means less efforts/focus elsewhere. The strategy is working.
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Anonymous wrote:So much focus on one guy means less efforts/focus elsewhere. The strategy is working.


It is much more about what the one guy means for the government'a ability to stash others away without due process. That is why the 4th circuit ruling, written by an ultra conservative judge, is so scathing.
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Anonymous wrote:For those that don't want to read, DOJ loses again with another trip to the woodshed to be spanked.

Will this administration and its supporters ever concede the fact that Trump is NOT a king?

Sad irony is that the DOJ was once considered the world's greatest litigation firm. Today, it would get its a** handed to them by Jacoby and Myers.


SCOTUS determines this not the appeals court.


You are actually funny. So you’ll concede Trump is not king when the Supreme Court upholds the 4th circuit?


I never alleged Trump is king so not sure where you are getting that from. ? The point is that this is heading back to SCOTUS and doesn’t stop at the appeals court, the same one that lost at scotus for the AEA ruling among other times they have been overturned.

SCOTUS isn’t going to mandate that the president engage in specific foreign policy acts and report that to a district judge.


Good thing the judge didn’t require the president to engage in specific foreign policy acts then


She absolutely did with her expansion of the definition of facilitate beyond its typical use in immigration aka dictating specific actions with the president of ES to effectuate his release, and for the court’s intrusive discovery mandates. Read the court docs - they are all online. District judge can’t force any specific engagement with a foreign power as per extensive case law.


Read the 4th Circuit appellate decision. Wilkinson is a conservative Reagan appointee. The government got trashed.


That’s one step on the way to SCOTUS not the final word on this - you realize that right?


It’s now been 5 days since the 4th Circuit smacked Trump down and no appeal to SCOTUS. Looking like it is in fact the last word.
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Anonymous wrote:For those that don't want to read, DOJ loses again with another trip to the woodshed to be spanked.

Will this administration and its supporters ever concede the fact that Trump is NOT a king?

Sad irony is that the DOJ was once considered the world's greatest litigation firm. Today, it would get its a** handed to them by Jacoby and Myers.


SCOTUS determines this not the appeals court.


You are actually funny. So you’ll concede Trump is not king when the Supreme Court upholds the 4th circuit?


I never alleged Trump is king so not sure where you are getting that from. ? The point is that this is heading back to SCOTUS and doesn’t stop at the appeals court, the same one that lost at scotus for the AEA ruling among other times they have been overturned.

SCOTUS isn’t going to mandate that the president engage in specific foreign policy acts and report that to a district judge.


Good thing the judge didn’t require the president to engage in specific foreign policy acts then


She absolutely did with her expansion of the definition of facilitate beyond its typical use in immigration aka dictating specific actions with the president of ES to effectuate his release, and for the court’s intrusive discovery mandates. Read the court docs - they are all online. District judge can’t force any specific engagement with a foreign power as per extensive case law.


Read the 4th Circuit appellate decision. Wilkinson is a conservative Reagan appointee. The government got trashed.


That’s one step on the way to SCOTUS not the final word on this - you realize that right?


It’s now been 5 days since the 4th Circuit smacked Trump down and no appeal to SCOTUS. Looking like it is in fact the last word.


No legal appeal, but True is appealing to the SC through this Truth Social post.

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Anonymous wrote:He’s doing fine and may well decide he wants to stay in El Salvador at this point. He’s already been moved to a nicer facility.

“Kilmar Abrego Garcia reported to Sen. Chris Van Hollen during a meeting in El Salvador that he was moved nine days ago from that country's Terrorism Confinement Center, or CECOT, to another facility with better conditions.”

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/04/18/senator-van-hollen-kilmar-abrego-garcia-deported/83155989007/




"The guy who America knowingly sent to a torture camp got moved to a nicer prison solely because a Senator personally got involved with his case, therefore it's fine to keep taking untold numbers of human beings off of American soil and knowingly sending them to torture camps."

It's unbelievable and sickening that people who call themselves Americans think things like this. I used to think our country was better than this but these past few years have proved we are rotten to the core with the kinds of people who would have willingly and joyfully sent their Jewish neighbors to concentration camps in 1940s Germany.

It's not OK that these torture camps exist in El Salvador. It's not OK that America is sending anyone to torture camps in El Salvador. The fact that one single person escaped the torture camp in El Salvador does not make it OK that they exist and we're sending people there.

We used to fight wars against countries with torture camps. We called the people who fought against them the "greatest generation" for a reason. If you're not against sending ANYONE from the US to a torture camp you're against America.


Yes. As a reminder, Germany built all of its first and most of its total concentration camps (until midway through the war) outside of Germany.

This precedent suggests further that any of us, once kidnapped by law enforcement and having left the country, are allowed any treatment legally. Please explain how forcing a third generation American from Nebraska with no due process into a jet owned by Venezuelan and then the Venezuelans shoving him out of the plan over international waters, and the US paying them to do this would be against the law if the treatment of Kilgore Garcia is legal.

There is legal and there is illegal but can't be fixed. Or at least the courts cannot order a fix.


So what's the solution? Just give up and let Trump run rampant until there is a sufficient change in Congress to permit impeachment? If this Constitutional issue just gets ignored with no remedy, ALL inconvenient Constitutional protections evaporate. Do yo want that?

Unless this is stamped down now, not the Trump agenda but the petulent disregard for federal law and the Constitution, it will only stop if someone important is tragically caught up in one of the assaults and dies or is incarcerated.


Run rampant? You mean like Biden refusing to enforce immigration law and throwing the borders wide open? Just who the F are you?


Show me where Biden imprisoned someone without due process and then I will take you seriously. Who the F are YOU? Someone who doesn’t understand the importance of our constitution apparently.


DP. Just one example is all you need? Ok, here’s one.

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/12/02/joe-biden-ice-immigration-detention/

If that’s not enough, the ACLU has a report showing the number of immigrants detained in prisons doubled between 2021 and 2023.

https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/unchecked-growth-private-prison-corporations-and-immigration-detention-three-years-into-the-biden-administration

Where was your outrage then? Constitution was just written I guess.



Where does it say that this was done without due process? No one ever said you cannot put people in prison at all.


11 Months with no trial is considered due process, but 2 hearings isn’t. Gotcha.


He was granted the right to stay per his latest hearing. Why are you referencing irrelevant prior hearings?
He was not granted the right to stay.


His last hearing granted withholding of removal, that was in 2019 and never appealed within 30 days, under Trump. He cannot be now removed without further due process.


Nope. HE appealed in Dec 2019 and lost. He was set to go


Huh? No.


The actual court documents have been posted in this thread. They’re not hard to understand. He had a hearing in June 2019, and lost. He appealed in December 2019, and lost. There was nothing for the Trump admin to appeal, as they won.
Like I said, the order is confusing. He got withholding of removal in October 2019.


Then he lost in December. December is AFTER October. He had a removal order, and still does. The ONLY mistake was where.

There is zero chance he ever lives in the USA again. Zero.

Most everyone assumed the order was deport, lose appeal so again deport, then withholding of removal. Strange it went in a different order.


Withholding of removal generally is not available when the AG determines someone is a terrorist. I think that's what makes this case an oddball.


There has been no finding that he is a terrorist. That's a RWNJ talking point but it's a fake fact.

He has withholding of removal to El Salvador, which is where he currently is, where we sent him. And removing someone to a third country is possible but I'm actual practice is not something that we do.
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"We cannot give everyone a trial," sez Trump. He got a trial. It would have been better for the country if he'd gone directly to a prison in El Salvador? He's a convicted felon.
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Anonymous wrote:"We cannot give everyone a trial," sez Trump. He got a trial. It would have been better for the country if he'd gone directly to a prison in El Salvador? He's a convicted felon.


Abrego Garcia has not been charged with any crime. Link to the information you have that he's a "convicted felon."

Trump, on the other hand, was found guilty on 34 felony counts of falsifying business records.
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Trump regime now making up quotes from SCOTUS: https://bsky.app/profile/gabrielmalor.bsky.social/post/3lnfpud6n5f2s

More proof that Trump regime attorneys are DCUM posters.
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Anonymous wrote:Trump regime now making up quotes from SCOTUS: https://bsky.app/profile/gabrielmalor.bsky.social/post/3lnfpud6n5f2s

More proof that Trump regime attorneys are DCUM posters.


Following the Constitution is too hard? That's all he's got?
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Anonymous wrote:El Salvador is a sovereign country. He is a citizen of El Salvador. You can't just send a plane and go pick someone up from there. Should another country be able to come pluck a US citizen from our soil and take them back to their country?


If that country is paying us to hold him for them, absolutely. Are you really this stupid?


He is a citizen of El Salvador. I doubt anyone outside of the US gives a crap about what our supreme court has ruled. If their president doesn't want to send him back, he won't. And what would we do about it? The SCOTUS doesn't have jurisdiction there.

Are you really this stupid?





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Why would El Salvador send an El Salvador citizen back to United States. That doesn't make sense.
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Anonymous wrote:Why would El Salvador send an El Salvador citizen back to United States. That doesn't make sense.

All El Salvador has to do is release him from prison. The Trump administration can fly him back here.
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Anonymous wrote:Why would El Salvador send an El Salvador citizen back to United States. That doesn't make sense.


Why would they imprison him when he has not been charged with any crime here or there? That doesn't make sense. The only reason they would do that is because we are paying them to. (And admittedly that doesn't make sense either, when he has not been charged with anything here or there.)
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