Supreme Court Sides With Wrongly Deported Migrant

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The order does not actually bring him “back”.

Since he was determined by a court years ago to be affiliated with MS13, the order only states he must be removed from the prison he is in now. Once he is returned to the US, he can immediately be deported to any other country other than El Salvador.

The court did not determine that and you know it.

You also know that he isn't in MS13. But you are probably right that they will do just that because Trump is as vindictive as he is narcissistic.

This court did not.

Bur a previous court determined years ago that he was in fact affiliated with MS 13.

He was granted protected status as he feared for his life if returned to El Salvador. This was not meant to be a permanent visa to stay.

Quote please. What I have read is that "he did not prove that he was not a danger to society." Nothing about MS-13. And in reality, not necessarily anything either

Vary your news sources. You’re being lied to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So if a judge determines him to be a MS 13 gang member, it’s good enough for me to get his ass out of the US, conviction or not…

A judge did as did the appeals board.

The judge did not determine him to be in MS-13. She deemed the allegation credible. That is not the same thing and I believe you know that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This order just says Trump has to facilitate getting him out of jail in El Salvador as if he had been regularly deported. It does not in any way require him to be returned to the US nor will he be. People need to read the words the court used.

The order asks the lower court to clarify what it means by 'effectuate'.

Note the words “in El Salvador.” Not “from” or “to the US.” Trump is not obligated to return a citizen of El Salvador to the US.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So if a judge determines him to be a MS 13 gang member, it’s good enough for me to get his ass out of the US, conviction or not…

A judge did as did the appeals board.

The judge did not determine him to be in MS-13. She deemed the allegation credible. That is not the same thing and I believe you know that.

That’s good enough for me to have him deported! And he is here illegally anyways.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So if a judge determines him to be a MS 13 gang member, it’s good enough for me to get his ass out of the US, conviction or not…

A judge did as did the appeals board.

The judge did not determine him to be in MS-13. She deemed the allegation credible. That is not the same thing and I believe you know that.

Yes she did and she denied his release. That deportation order stands. The only thing the later court did was restrict him from going to El Salvador.

“An immigration judge denied Abrego Garcia’s request for release, finding that “the evidence shows he is a verified member of MS-13.” Although the judge acknowledged that she was “reluctant to give evidentiary weight” to Abrego Garcia’s “clothing as an indication of gang affiliation,” she concluded that it was enough that a “past, proven, and reliable source of information” had verified Abrego Garcia’s “gang membership, gang rank, and gang name.” The Board of Immigration Appeals affirmed that ruling.””

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So if a judge determines him to be a MS 13 gang member, it’s good enough for me to get his ass out of the US, conviction or not…

A judge did as did the appeals board.

The judge did not determine him to be in MS-13. She deemed the allegation credible. That is not the same thing and I believe you know that.

That’s good enough for me to have him deported! And he is here illegally anyways.

He isn’t returning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
From Yahoo News:


In 2019, an Immigration Judge (under the first Trump administration) determined that the deported man was, in fact, a member of the MS-13 gang. He also apparently had multiple traffic violations for which he failed to appear in court," Vance said. (His initial post said the "Biden administration," not the "Trump administration," which Vance later corrected and clarified in another post.)

Court documents filed by Abrego Garcia's attorneys said he has no criminal charges or convictions in the United States, El Salvador or any other country; a search for Abrego Garcia's name in Maryland's judiciary court case system returned no results.

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The court filing from ICE did say that in an April 2019 hearing, an immigration judge denied Abrego Garcia bond "because 'the evidence show[ed] that he is a verified member of [Mara Salvatrucha] ('MS-13')]" and therefore posed a danger to the community" (Page 2).

However, again, an immigration judge's determination is not the same as a conviction. Merriam-Webster defines "conviction" as "the act or process of finding a person guilty of a crime especially in a court of law." But in this case, Abrego Garcia was at a bond hearing, meaning the judge's ruling determined whether Abrego Garcia would stay in ICE custody. The immigration detention system in the United States is legally classified as civil, not criminal, meaning this hearing was not over a criminal conviction in the first place.

Are you quoting JD Vance?! That is your proof? I read the court document and it DID NOT SAY that he was a member of MS13.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So if a judge determines him to be a MS 13 gang member, it’s good enough for me to get his ass out of the US, conviction or not…

A judge did as did the appeals board.

The judge did not determine him to be in MS-13. She deemed the allegation credible. That is not the same thing and I believe you know that.

That’s good enough for me to have him deported! And he is here illegally anyways.

That’s fine, but say you’re good with people being deported on allegations. Don’t spread easily debunked lies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
From Yahoo News:


In 2019, an Immigration Judge (under the first Trump administration) determined that the deported man was, in fact, a member of the MS-13 gang. He also apparently had multiple traffic violations for which he failed to appear in court," Vance said. (His initial post said the "Biden administration," not the "Trump administration," which Vance later corrected and clarified in another post.)

Court documents filed by Abrego Garcia's attorneys said he has no criminal charges or convictions in the United States, El Salvador or any other country; a search for Abrego Garcia's name in Maryland's judiciary court case system returned no results.

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The court filing from ICE did say that in an April 2019 hearing, an immigration judge denied Abrego Garcia bond "because 'the evidence show[ed] that he is a verified member of [Mara Salvatrucha] ('MS-13')]" and therefore posed a danger to the community" (Page 2).

However, again, an immigration judge's determination is not the same as a conviction. Merriam-Webster defines "conviction" as "the act or process of finding a person guilty of a crime especially in a court of law." But in this case, Abrego Garcia was at a bond hearing, meaning the judge's ruling determined whether Abrego Garcia would stay in ICE custody. The immigration detention system in the United States is legally classified as civil, not criminal, meaning this hearing was not over a criminal conviction in the first place.

Are you quoting JD Vance?! That is your proof? I read the court document and it DID NOT SAY that he was a member of MS13.

Can you read? It was a Judge from 2019! Evidence showed she was a verified MS 13 gang member.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This order just says Trump has to facilitate getting him out of jail in El Salvador as if he had been regularly deported. It does not in any way require him to be returned to the US nor will he be. People need to read the words the court used.

The order asks the lower court to clarify what it means by 'effectuate'.

“…and may exceed the district court’s authority”

This isn’t over.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So if a judge determines him to be a MS 13 gang member, it’s good enough for me to get his ass out of the US, conviction or not…

A judge did as did the appeals board.

The judge did not determine him to be in MS-13. She deemed the allegation credible. That is not the same thing and I believe you know that.

That’s good enough for me to have him deported! And he is here illegally anyways.

That’s fine, but say you’re good with people being deported on allegations. Don’t spread easily debunked lies.

He can be deported because he was an illegal immigrant who didn’t apply for asylum for years. It didn’t hang on gang membership.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So if a judge determines him to be a MS 13 gang member, it’s good enough for me to get his ass out of the US, conviction or not…

A judge did as did the appeals board.

The judge did not determine him to be in MS-13. She deemed the allegation credible. That is not the same thing and I believe you know that.

Yes she did and she denied his release. That deportation order stands. The only thing the later court did was restrict him from going to El Salvador.

“An immigration judge denied Abrego Garcia’s request for release, finding that “the evidence shows he is a verified member of MS-13.” Although the judge acknowledged that she was “reluctant to give evidentiary weight” to Abrego Garcia’s “clothing as an indication of gang affiliation,” she concluded that it was enough that a “past, proven, and reliable source of information” had verified Abrego Garcia’s “gang membership, gang rank, and gang name.” The Board of Immigration Appeals affirmed that ruling.””

Nowhere in what you’ve quoted did a judge rule he’s in MS-13. She assesses there is evidence showing that he is, sufficient to deny bond.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
From Yahoo News:


In 2019, an Immigration Judge (under the first Trump administration) determined that the deported man was, in fact, a member of the MS-13 gang. He also apparently had multiple traffic violations for which he failed to appear in court," Vance said. (His initial post said the "Biden administration," not the "Trump administration," which Vance later corrected and clarified in another post.)

Court documents filed by Abrego Garcia's attorneys said he has no criminal charges or convictions in the United States, El Salvador or any other country; a search for Abrego Garcia's name in Maryland's judiciary court case system returned no results.

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The court filing from ICE did say that in an April 2019 hearing, an immigration judge denied Abrego Garcia bond "because 'the evidence show[ed] that he is a verified member of [Mara Salvatrucha] ('MS-13')]" and therefore posed a danger to the community" (Page 2).

However, again, an immigration judge's determination is not the same as a conviction. Merriam-Webster defines "conviction" as "the act or process of finding a person guilty of a crime especially in a court of law." But in this case, Abrego Garcia was at a bond hearing, meaning the judge's ruling determined whether Abrego Garcia would stay in ICE custody. The immigration detention system in the United States is legally classified as civil, not criminal, meaning this hearing was not over a criminal conviction in the first place.

Are you quoting JD Vance?! That is your proof? I read the court document and it DID NOT SAY that he was a member of MS13.

You’re likely not reading the first judicial finding, the one from when he was arrested with other men and originally put in ICE custody.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So if a judge determines him to be a MS 13 gang member, it’s good enough for me to get his ass out of the US, conviction or not…

A judge did as did the appeals board.

The judge did not determine him to be in MS-13. She deemed the allegation credible. That is not the same thing and I believe you know that.

That’s good enough for me to have him deported! And he is here illegally anyways.

That’s fine, but say you’re good with people being deported on allegations. Don’t spread easily debunked lies.

He can be deported because he was an illegal immigrant who didn’t apply for asylum for years. It didn’t hang on gang membership.

Correct. He can legally be deported to any country other than El Salvador. But his alleged gang membership has been flung around by members of the administration trying to obfuscate their disregard for the law, and then here by those trying to argue in bad faith.

Why not just admit there was a mistake a fix it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So if a judge determines him to be a MS 13 gang member, it’s good enough for me to get his ass out of the US, conviction or not…

A judge did as did the appeals board.

The judge did not determine him to be in MS-13. She deemed the allegation credible. That is not the same thing and I believe you know that.

Yes she did and she denied his release. That deportation order stands. The only thing the later court did was restrict him from going to El Salvador.

“An immigration judge denied Abrego Garcia’s request for release, finding that “the evidence shows he is a verified member of MS-13.” Although the judge acknowledged that she was “reluctant to give evidentiary weight” to Abrego Garcia’s “clothing as an indication of gang affiliation,” she concluded that it was enough that a “past, proven, and reliable source of information” had verified Abrego Garcia’s “gang membership, gang rank, and gang name.” The Board of Immigration Appeals affirmed that ruling.””

Nowhere in what you’ve quoted did a judge rule he’s in MS-13. She assesses there is evidence showing that he is, sufficient to deny bond.

For the hundredth time, she didn’t need to prove gang membership to proceed with his deportation. It’s not something that has to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt to an immigration court. But yes, she DID determine that the evidence was that he was in MS 13 and the appeals board backed it too. The order for his removal stood.