Hate towards H1-B visa holders

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's my proposal:

1. Create a central jobs clearinghouse site, under the supervision of DOL and USCIS -

Mandatory Job Posting: Before submitting an application to bring employees in via requesting visas, companies must first post the job on this clearinghouse, which would include detailed job descriptions, requirements, salary information, and benefits.

Public Access: The clearinghouse should be publicly accessible so that job seekers, particularly American workers, can review the opportunities and apply directly before any visa is granted.

Standardized Job Description & Salary Requirements: The government could set guidelines for how job postings should be formatted, ensuring that the job description, qualifications, and salary are clearly defined and in line with industry norms.

2. Use AI and human review to ensure oversight and appropriateness -

AI Integration: AI could analyze job postings and compare them to industry standards, adjusting for region, company size, and job complexity. This would allow the system to flag positions that appear underpaid relative to market norms for similar roles, especially for technical positions in the STEM field.

Human Oversight: Given the complexity of job roles and salary variations across regions, a combination of AI and human reviewers would be necessary. Human experts in labor economics and industry trends would be required to verify edge cases and ensure that the algorithm’s recommendations are sound.

3. Ensure jobs are not fillable by American workers -

Minimum Posting Period: To implement this, companies could be required to post the job for a minimum period (e.g., 30 to 90 days) on the clearinghouse. During this time, the system could track applications and attempts to fill the position with U.S. workers.

American Worker Proof: Companies would need to demonstrate that they made reasonable efforts to recruit U.S. workers (e.g., interviews, job offers) before resorting to visa applications. The clearinghouse could facilitate this by collecting application data and allowing U.S. citizens to apply before visa applications are processed.

4. Factor in layoffs and other scenarios -

Layoff Reporting: Companies could be required to report any layoffs and the number of affected workers, which could be tracked against their visa employee count.

Visa Reduction in Line with Layoffs: If a company downsizes, the number of visa workers should ideally be adjusted downwards as well. For instance, if a company lays off a significant portion of its U.S. workforce, the number of visa holders employed at the company might need to be reduced, or visa renewals should be denied.

In addition to this system, we should also do the following:

Strengthen Labor Market Testing: One potential addition to your idea would be to make labor market testing (the process where companies demonstrate that they couldn't find qualified U.S. workers) more rigorous, including interviewing a more diverse set of candidates.

Wage Floor for Visa Workers: Another idea could be to impose a minimum wage requirement for visa holders, based on regional cost of living and the prevailing wage for the occupation. This would directly address concerns that companies use visa workers to undercut U.S. wages.

Expand STEM Education: A long-term solution might involve expanding STEM education programs to ensure a more robust pipeline of U.S. workers qualified for these roles. It would help mitigate the demand for foreign workers in the first place.

This is sensible, it is viable, and it is doable. Take this up with your members of Congress.

As someone who actually went through this process, I can confirm that companies are/were already required to advertise the position for a reasonable period of time. It was a big part of the visa application to prove that they couldn’t get an American citizen. And no company wants to pay the multiple five figures that it costs to go through the visa route when they can hire someone locally.

The biggest issue that I see is that the quality of education is now higher in other countries. It has been a race to the bottom for equity reasons in the US over the past decade and it’s very obvious to companies doing recruitment. American graduates just aren’t the same as foreign graduates anymore, and in most cases they’re worse.

Where can I find where those jobs were posted, and where can I find evidence that Americans didn't apply?

Posters are claiming the system already exists and provides oversight. Where is it? There's no transparency into this.

[Anonymous]

The ENTIRE idea of "foreigners are taking our jobs!" has always been xenophobic and short-sighted. They do not take our jobs. They are GIVEN jobs by multi-millionaires and billionare CEOs. This is a CAPITALISM issue not a "foreigners are taking our jobs!" issue. Same bigoted philosophy that was used when white people got mad when Black people were allowed to integrate into white schools, jobs, neighborhoods, etc. Instead of "Black people are taking our jobs/neighborhoods, etc" now it is foreigners.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The ENTIRE idea of "foreigners are taking our jobs!" has always been xenophobic and short-sighted. They do not take our jobs. They are GIVEN jobs by multi-millionaires and billionare CEOs. This is a CAPITALISM issue not a "foreigners are taking our jobs!" issue. Same bigoted philosophy that was used when white people got mad when Black people were allowed to integrate into white schools, jobs, neighborhoods, etc. Instead of "Black people are taking our jobs/neighborhoods, etc" now it is foreigners.

+1 Don't blame people for taking jobs offered to them. Blame the corporate elitist like Musk and Trump who run the companies that offer the jobs to foreigners.

But, I know it's easier to blame powerless workers than it is to blame the corporate elite, whom MAGA voted for. That would mean MAGA would have to admit they voted against their own interests and were stupid.

[Anonymous]

Hey now, Trump's own wife came on this visa. We certainly don't have a dearth of starving real American models here. But, I'm sure Trump is grateful for the H1. It's no wonder Trump supports visas. Not only did his wife get one, but his financier Musk also got one, too.

MAGA

/s

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's my proposal:

1. Create a central jobs clearinghouse site, under the supervision of DOL and USCIS -

Mandatory Job Posting: Before submitting an application to bring employees in via requesting visas, companies must first post the job on this clearinghouse, which would include detailed job descriptions, requirements, salary information, and benefits.

Public Access: The clearinghouse should be publicly accessible so that job seekers, particularly American workers, can review the opportunities and apply directly before any visa is granted.

Standardized Job Description & Salary Requirements: The government could set guidelines for how job postings should be formatted, ensuring that the job description, qualifications, and salary are clearly defined and in line with industry norms.

2. Use AI and human review to ensure oversight and appropriateness -

AI Integration: AI could analyze job postings and compare them to industry standards, adjusting for region, company size, and job complexity. This would allow the system to flag positions that appear underpaid relative to market norms for similar roles, especially for technical positions in the STEM field.

Human Oversight: Given the complexity of job roles and salary variations across regions, a combination of AI and human reviewers would be necessary. Human experts in labor economics and industry trends would be required to verify edge cases and ensure that the algorithm’s recommendations are sound.

3. Ensure jobs are not fillable by American workers -

Minimum Posting Period: To implement this, companies could be required to post the job for a minimum period (e.g., 30 to 90 days) on the clearinghouse. During this time, the system could track applications and attempts to fill the position with U.S. workers.

American Worker Proof: Companies would need to demonstrate that they made reasonable efforts to recruit U.S. workers (e.g., interviews, job offers) before resorting to visa applications. The clearinghouse could facilitate this by collecting application data and allowing U.S. citizens to apply before visa applications are processed.

4. Factor in layoffs and other scenarios -

Layoff Reporting: Companies could be required to report any layoffs and the number of affected workers, which could be tracked against their visa employee count.

Visa Reduction in Line with Layoffs: If a company downsizes, the number of visa workers should ideally be adjusted downwards as well. For instance, if a company lays off a significant portion of its U.S. workforce, the number of visa holders employed at the company might need to be reduced, or visa renewals should be denied.

In addition to this system, we should also do the following:

Strengthen Labor Market Testing: One potential addition to your idea would be to make labor market testing (the process where companies demonstrate that they couldn't find qualified U.S. workers) more rigorous, including interviewing a more diverse set of candidates.

Wage Floor for Visa Workers: Another idea could be to impose a minimum wage requirement for visa holders, based on regional cost of living and the prevailing wage for the occupation. This would directly address concerns that companies use visa workers to undercut U.S. wages.

Expand STEM Education: A long-term solution might involve expanding STEM education programs to ensure a more robust pipeline of U.S. workers qualified for these roles. It would help mitigate the demand for foreign workers in the first place.

This is sensible, it is viable, and it is doable. Take this up with your members of Congress.

As someone who actually went through this process, I can confirm that companies are/were already required to advertise the position for a reasonable period of time. It was a big part of the visa application to prove that they couldn’t get an American citizen. And no company wants to pay the multiple five figures that it costs to go through the visa route when they can hire someone locally.

The biggest issue that I see is that the quality of education is now higher in other countries. It has been a race to the bottom for equity reasons in the US over the past decade and it’s very obvious to companies doing recruitment. American graduates just aren’t the same as foreign graduates anymore, and in most cases they’re worse.

Nobody believes your BS PR. Race to the bottom. Yeah right. If our education system is at the bottom, why are so many of those same people you hold up in such high regard fighting to enter our country and schools?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Indians and Chinese are far brighter than Americans anyway. No biggie; they can stay home and outpace the US from there.

lol. You wish.

Chinese and Indians aren't "brighter" than Americans. The Chinese and Indians who come to the US are mostly the best and brightest fraction of the top 1% that India and China have.

They are not brighter, they just work harder and expect less in return. Parenting is a lot harsher over there.

There is also wide spread cheating on exams.
https://www.wsj.com/world/india/gangs-are-making-millions-helping-indians-cheat-on-exams-32500cce

Among a certain demographic, exam cheating is also widespread in this country as well

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's my proposal:

1. Create a central jobs clearinghouse site, under the supervision of DOL and USCIS -

Mandatory Job Posting: Before submitting an application to bring employees in via requesting visas, companies must first post the job on this clearinghouse, which would include detailed job descriptions, requirements, salary information, and benefits.

Public Access: The clearinghouse should be publicly accessible so that job seekers, particularly American workers, can review the opportunities and apply directly before any visa is granted.

Standardized Job Description & Salary Requirements: The government could set guidelines for how job postings should be formatted, ensuring that the job description, qualifications, and salary are clearly defined and in line with industry norms.

2. Use AI and human review to ensure oversight and appropriateness -

AI Integration: AI could analyze job postings and compare them to industry standards, adjusting for region, company size, and job complexity. This would allow the system to flag positions that appear underpaid relative to market norms for similar roles, especially for technical positions in the STEM field.

Human Oversight: Given the complexity of job roles and salary variations across regions, a combination of AI and human reviewers would be necessary. Human experts in labor economics and industry trends would be required to verify edge cases and ensure that the algorithm’s recommendations are sound.

3. Ensure jobs are not fillable by American workers -

Minimum Posting Period: To implement this, companies could be required to post the job for a minimum period (e.g., 30 to 90 days) on the clearinghouse. During this time, the system could track applications and attempts to fill the position with U.S. workers.

American Worker Proof: Companies would need to demonstrate that they made reasonable efforts to recruit U.S. workers (e.g., interviews, job offers) before resorting to visa applications. The clearinghouse could facilitate this by collecting application data and allowing U.S. citizens to apply before visa applications are processed.

4. Factor in layoffs and other scenarios -

Layoff Reporting: Companies could be required to report any layoffs and the number of affected workers, which could be tracked against their visa employee count.

Visa Reduction in Line with Layoffs: If a company downsizes, the number of visa workers should ideally be adjusted downwards as well. For instance, if a company lays off a significant portion of its U.S. workforce, the number of visa holders employed at the company might need to be reduced, or visa renewals should be denied.

In addition to this system, we should also do the following:

Strengthen Labor Market Testing: One potential addition to your idea would be to make labor market testing (the process where companies demonstrate that they couldn't find qualified U.S. workers) more rigorous, including interviewing a more diverse set of candidates.

Wage Floor for Visa Workers: Another idea could be to impose a minimum wage requirement for visa holders, based on regional cost of living and the prevailing wage for the occupation. This would directly address concerns that companies use visa workers to undercut U.S. wages.

Expand STEM Education: A long-term solution might involve expanding STEM education programs to ensure a more robust pipeline of U.S. workers qualified for these roles. It would help mitigate the demand for foreign workers in the first place.

This is sensible, it is viable, and it is doable. Take this up with your members of Congress.

As someone who actually went through this process, I can confirm that companies are/were already required to advertise the position for a reasonable period of time. It was a big part of the visa application to prove that they couldn’t get an American citizen. And no company wants to pay the multiple five figures that it costs to go through the visa route when they can hire someone locally.

The biggest issue that I see is that the quality of education is now higher in other countries. It has been a race to the bottom for equity reasons in the US over the past decade and it’s very obvious to companies doing recruitment. American graduates just aren’t the same as foreign graduates anymore, and in most cases they’re worse.

Nobody believes your BS PR. Race to the bottom. Yeah right. If our education system is at the bottom, why are so many of those same people you hold up in such high regard fighting to enter our country and schools?

I’m the PP. Not sure why you think anything is BS or PR. All I can report are my observations from the interviews. The standout applicants here are good, but most applicants here just aren’t making it through the interviews. Hence why they look for foreign citizens.

And to the previous poster asking where things are advertised, they are on the company websites (I’m talking about big companies like Google) and there are a bunch of recruiters also looking to fill positions so there are listings on many recruiter websites too. There isn’t one central job board that I’m aware of but I’m really not sure what good it would do, it would just cost money to maintain it. Anyone qualified for these jobs can easily find them if they’re interested. And they are contacted by recruiters constantly from networking sites or other lists even when they aren’t interested.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's my proposal:

1. Create a central jobs clearinghouse site, under the supervision of DOL and USCIS -

Mandatory Job Posting: Before submitting an application to bring employees in via requesting visas, companies must first post the job on this clearinghouse, which would include detailed job descriptions, requirements, salary information, and benefits.

Public Access: The clearinghouse should be publicly accessible so that job seekers, particularly American workers, can review the opportunities and apply directly before any visa is granted.

Standardized Job Description & Salary Requirements: The government could set guidelines for how job postings should be formatted, ensuring that the job description, qualifications, and salary are clearly defined and in line with industry norms.

2. Use AI and human review to ensure oversight and appropriateness -

AI Integration: AI could analyze job postings and compare them to industry standards, adjusting for region, company size, and job complexity. This would allow the system to flag positions that appear underpaid relative to market norms for similar roles, especially for technical positions in the STEM field.

Human Oversight: Given the complexity of job roles and salary variations across regions, a combination of AI and human reviewers would be necessary. Human experts in labor economics and industry trends would be required to verify edge cases and ensure that the algorithm’s recommendations are sound.

3. Ensure jobs are not fillable by American workers -

Minimum Posting Period: To implement this, companies could be required to post the job for a minimum period (e.g., 30 to 90 days) on the clearinghouse. During this time, the system could track applications and attempts to fill the position with U.S. workers.

American Worker Proof: Companies would need to demonstrate that they made reasonable efforts to recruit U.S. workers (e.g., interviews, job offers) before resorting to visa applications. The clearinghouse could facilitate this by collecting application data and allowing U.S. citizens to apply before visa applications are processed.

4. Factor in layoffs and other scenarios -

Layoff Reporting: Companies could be required to report any layoffs and the number of affected workers, which could be tracked against their visa employee count.

Visa Reduction in Line with Layoffs: If a company downsizes, the number of visa workers should ideally be adjusted downwards as well. For instance, if a company lays off a significant portion of its U.S. workforce, the number of visa holders employed at the company might need to be reduced, or visa renewals should be denied.

In addition to this system, we should also do the following:

Strengthen Labor Market Testing: One potential addition to your idea would be to make labor market testing (the process where companies demonstrate that they couldn't find qualified U.S. workers) more rigorous, including interviewing a more diverse set of candidates.

Wage Floor for Visa Workers: Another idea could be to impose a minimum wage requirement for visa holders, based on regional cost of living and the prevailing wage for the occupation. This would directly address concerns that companies use visa workers to undercut U.S. wages.

Expand STEM Education: A long-term solution might involve expanding STEM education programs to ensure a more robust pipeline of U.S. workers qualified for these roles. It would help mitigate the demand for foreign workers in the first place.

This is sensible, it is viable, and it is doable. Take this up with your members of Congress.

As someone who actually went through this process, I can confirm that companies are/were already required to advertise the position for a reasonable period of time. It was a big part of the visa application to prove that they couldn’t get an American citizen. And no company wants to pay the multiple five figures that it costs to go through the visa route when they can hire someone locally.

The biggest issue that I see is that the quality of education is now higher in other countries. It has been a race to the bottom for equity reasons in the US over the past decade and it’s very obvious to companies doing recruitment. American graduates just aren’t the same as foreign graduates anymore, and in most cases they’re worse.

I'm not sure what field you're in, and what level of education you're recruiting from, but this isn't my experience at all. The American universities are top notch- that's not the issue. But sometimes who you want to hire from those programs isn't a US citizen or green card holder (e.g., here on a student visa).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's my proposal:

1. Create a central jobs clearinghouse site, under the supervision of DOL and USCIS -

Mandatory Job Posting: Before submitting an application to bring employees in via requesting visas, companies must first post the job on this clearinghouse, which would include detailed job descriptions, requirements, salary information, and benefits.

Public Access: The clearinghouse should be publicly accessible so that job seekers, particularly American workers, can review the opportunities and apply directly before any visa is granted.

Standardized Job Description & Salary Requirements: The government could set guidelines for how job postings should be formatted, ensuring that the job description, qualifications, and salary are clearly defined and in line with industry norms.

2. Use AI and human review to ensure oversight and appropriateness -

AI Integration: AI could analyze job postings and compare them to industry standards, adjusting for region, company size, and job complexity. This would allow the system to flag positions that appear underpaid relative to market norms for similar roles, especially for technical positions in the STEM field.

Human Oversight: Given the complexity of job roles and salary variations across regions, a combination of AI and human reviewers would be necessary. Human experts in labor economics and industry trends would be required to verify edge cases and ensure that the algorithm’s recommendations are sound.

3. Ensure jobs are not fillable by American workers -

Minimum Posting Period: To implement this, companies could be required to post the job for a minimum period (e.g., 30 to 90 days) on the clearinghouse. During this time, the system could track applications and attempts to fill the position with U.S. workers.

American Worker Proof: Companies would need to demonstrate that they made reasonable efforts to recruit U.S. workers (e.g., interviews, job offers) before resorting to visa applications. The clearinghouse could facilitate this by collecting application data and allowing U.S. citizens to apply before visa applications are processed.

4. Factor in layoffs and other scenarios -

Layoff Reporting: Companies could be required to report any layoffs and the number of affected workers, which could be tracked against their visa employee count.

Visa Reduction in Line with Layoffs: If a company downsizes, the number of visa workers should ideally be adjusted downwards as well. For instance, if a company lays off a significant portion of its U.S. workforce, the number of visa holders employed at the company might need to be reduced, or visa renewals should be denied.

In addition to this system, we should also do the following:

Strengthen Labor Market Testing: One potential addition to your idea would be to make labor market testing (the process where companies demonstrate that they couldn't find qualified U.S. workers) more rigorous, including interviewing a more diverse set of candidates.

Wage Floor for Visa Workers: Another idea could be to impose a minimum wage requirement for visa holders, based on regional cost of living and the prevailing wage for the occupation. This would directly address concerns that companies use visa workers to undercut U.S. wages.

Expand STEM Education: A long-term solution might involve expanding STEM education programs to ensure a more robust pipeline of U.S. workers qualified for these roles. It would help mitigate the demand for foreign workers in the first place.

This is sensible, it is viable, and it is doable. Take this up with your members of Congress.

As someone who actually went through this process, I can confirm that companies are/were already required to advertise the position for a reasonable period of time. It was a big part of the visa application to prove that they couldn’t get an American citizen. And no company wants to pay the multiple five figures that it costs to go through the visa route when they can hire someone locally.

The biggest issue that I see is that the quality of education is now higher in other countries. It has been a race to the bottom for equity reasons in the US over the past decade and it’s very obvious to companies doing recruitment. American graduates just aren’t the same as foreign graduates anymore, and in most cases they’re worse.

Where can I find where those jobs were posted, and where can I find evidence that Americans didn't apply?

Posters are claiming the system already exists and provides oversight. Where is it? There's no transparency into this.

Not sure why there needs to be “transparency”. The process itself is already well understood for those who need to know about it. It’s the government department issuing visas that validates the claims made by the lawyers that the jobs were advertised publicly and for the right amount of time. They check all the claims (looking at dates of the job postings etc) and also you/lawyers/company need to write long justifications for your special skills and experience that the other applicants didn’t have. And then you need to go through all the other things like criminal checks (with reports from home country police departments) biometrics, vaccines and doctor exams etc. Getting this particular visa is not something quick or easy, you need to earn it and the company/country needs to need it.

[Anonymous]

And FWIW that’s the reason that most legal immigrants are so against illegal immigration, because we went through such a long process and earned it, and we see the value in having the process.

[Anonymous]

Just reading through the headlines but it seems the GOP economic plan is for companies and government to conduct mass layoffs, restaff companies with foreign labor, and give loyal unemployed voters government jobs. Wonder what they will call this stage of capitalism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's my proposal:

1. Create a central jobs clearinghouse site, under the supervision of DOL and USCIS -

Mandatory Job Posting: Before submitting an application to bring employees in via requesting visas, companies must first post the job on this clearinghouse, which would include detailed job descriptions, requirements, salary information, and benefits.

Public Access: The clearinghouse should be publicly accessible so that job seekers, particularly American workers, can review the opportunities and apply directly before any visa is granted.

Standardized Job Description & Salary Requirements: The government could set guidelines for how job postings should be formatted, ensuring that the job description, qualifications, and salary are clearly defined and in line with industry norms.

2. Use AI and human review to ensure oversight and appropriateness -

AI Integration: AI could analyze job postings and compare them to industry standards, adjusting for region, company size, and job complexity. This would allow the system to flag positions that appear underpaid relative to market norms for similar roles, especially for technical positions in the STEM field.

Human Oversight: Given the complexity of job roles and salary variations across regions, a combination of AI and human reviewers would be necessary. Human experts in labor economics and industry trends would be required to verify edge cases and ensure that the algorithm’s recommendations are sound.

3. Ensure jobs are not fillable by American workers -

Minimum Posting Period: To implement this, companies could be required to post the job for a minimum period (e.g., 30 to 90 days) on the clearinghouse. During this time, the system could track applications and attempts to fill the position with U.S. workers.

American Worker Proof: Companies would need to demonstrate that they made reasonable efforts to recruit U.S. workers (e.g., interviews, job offers) before resorting to visa applications. The clearinghouse could facilitate this by collecting application data and allowing U.S. citizens to apply before visa applications are processed.

4. Factor in layoffs and other scenarios -

Layoff Reporting: Companies could be required to report any layoffs and the number of affected workers, which could be tracked against their visa employee count.

Visa Reduction in Line with Layoffs: If a company downsizes, the number of visa workers should ideally be adjusted downwards as well. For instance, if a company lays off a significant portion of its U.S. workforce, the number of visa holders employed at the company might need to be reduced, or visa renewals should be denied.

In addition to this system, we should also do the following:

Strengthen Labor Market Testing: One potential addition to your idea would be to make labor market testing (the process where companies demonstrate that they couldn't find qualified U.S. workers) more rigorous, including interviewing a more diverse set of candidates.

Wage Floor for Visa Workers: Another idea could be to impose a minimum wage requirement for visa holders, based on regional cost of living and the prevailing wage for the occupation. This would directly address concerns that companies use visa workers to undercut U.S. wages.

Expand STEM Education: A long-term solution might involve expanding STEM education programs to ensure a more robust pipeline of U.S. workers qualified for these roles. It would help mitigate the demand for foreign workers in the first place.

This is sensible, it is viable, and it is doable. Take this up with your members of Congress.

As someone who actually went through this process, I can confirm that companies are/were already required to advertise the position for a reasonable period of time. It was a big part of the visa application to prove that they couldn’t get an American citizen. And no company wants to pay the multiple five figures that it costs to go through the visa route when they can hire someone locally.

The biggest issue that I see is that the quality of education is now higher in other countries. It has been a race to the bottom for equity reasons in the US over the past decade and it’s very obvious to companies doing recruitment. American graduates just aren’t the same as foreign graduates anymore, and in most cases they’re worse.

Nobody believes your BS PR. Race to the bottom. Yeah right. If our education system is at the bottom, why are so many of those same people you hold up in such high regard fighting to enter our country and schools?

"Race to the bottom" is actually conservatives discouraging students from pursuing a college education. Next conservatives will discourage completion of high school - only a matter of time.

[Anonymous]

I think there's a relatively straightforward solution. There's been a longstanding proposal to shift the H1-B lottery process to an auction instead.

There are different proposals for how to structure an auction, but I think it should be based on the salary of the position, probably with some geographic COL adjustments and different buckets for different fields and types
of employers. If the auctions go for substantially less than the prevailing wages for domestic workers in those fields (which admittedly would need to be very fuzzy), then cut back on the number of auctions next time.

To discourage companies from obtaining, but just sitting on, those visa slots, make auction winners pay a percentage of the salary bid to the Treasury each week/month until they fill the position or release the slot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And FWIW that’s the reason that most legal immigrants are so against illegal immigration, because we went through such a long process and earned it, and we see the value in having the process.

sure, but H1 visa holders are legal immigrants. Why hate on them?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And FWIW that’s the reason that most legal immigrants are so against illegal immigration, because we went through such a long process and earned it, and we see the value in having the process.

sure, but H1 visa holders are legal immigrants. Why hate on them?

I don’t know! But judging from some of the questions and comments in this thread, it seems like some people truly have no idea what legal immigrants go through and think there’s some shady process going on where we’re stealing jobs from Americans. In fact those jobs sit vacant for years because the Americans can’t do them properly, and that lost productivity costs the American economy.

Any discussion about immigration needs to clearly distinguish between skilled legal immigrants, unskilled legal immigrants, and illegal immigrants. The country absolutely needs the first category, the second category is probably hit or miss (the people who sit in those unskilled lottery queues for a decade are often pretty motivated to work hard when they’re here in the fields or to set up small businesses etc), and the illegal immigrants are an enormous drain on our country and we should prevent it entirely.