Hate towards H1-B visa holders

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Anonymous wrote:There is a raging attack on H1-B visa holders, highly skilled immigrants on Twitter right now. MAGA is roasting Elon and Ramaswammy for their support of the inflow of highly skilled immigrants in the country.

I cannot believe this is even an argument. People are so dumb.

I am an Indian American and my DH works in tech so I am quite familiar with the complexities of this topic. This issue is not simple, there is a genuine shortage of competent IT professionals, I am supportive of H1-B if they are bringing in engineers from IIT s( elite engineering schools in India, IITians command 100k salaries in India), bringing in IIT would truly mean bringing the “best and the brightest”, U.S can benefit tremendously from this IMO.

However, more often than not this is not the case, corporations are interested in bringing in the cheapest talent possible not the best and brightest, so this drives the wages down. Also, I truly feel we have plenty of talent here in the USA, they need to work on supporting our own talent rather than importing talent so corporations can benefit.

As for the hate, this is not new. People should hate the corporations that are enriching themselves over the backs of these people but as always it’s easier to hate brown people rather than take it up with powers that be.

The thing is that the graduates of the elite engineering schools in India have only one goal; to come here to the US, or do they not? I know this is the same at Indian Medical Schools. It’s a firmly laid out path, that a large percentage of the graduating class follows with a huge drive. This is the opposite from graduates of corresponding schools in Europe (who do not come here), Australia, etc.

However, it’s absolutely ridiculous to argue about the one program that brings *skilled* people in *legally*, when there are millions of unskilled simply walking across and staying illegally. Either way all of them are economic opportunists, and most don’t love America, other than as a vehicle (and none are refugees). Traditionally, the U.S. is the “Land of Opportunity”, so there’s that.

It’s almost impossible to get into medical school in the US and we have plenty of qualified candidates. We should be expanding our own schools vs bringing in immigrants who will then chain migrate their huge, extended families. This includes elderly parents who milk the system.

Finally, someone who understands! People who talk about productive immigrants have no idea that in so many cultures it is a tradition to bring over everyone and their aunt who aren’t a net benefit at all

Like Melania Trump, won’t you agree?

I don’t know much about her except that she herself came on a visa in a shady manner. Did she bring a hoard of relatives and put them on public benefits?

She brought in her parents and sister via chain migration. Facts.

Since Melania’s parents were in their 70s when they became citizens, it’s pretty certain they got public benefits in the form of Medicare. It’s unlikely they ever worked in the US given their age when they emigrated.

Fine, I agree, let’s stop the family reunification for the elderly. It is indeed a money suck. Medicaid/medicare and other services.
Are you happy now and can we forget Melania and start discussing millions of others bringing in their parents and putting them on the government dole?

dp.. I think the point is it's vastly hypocritically for MAGA to want to stop a program that their Dear Leader's wife used to bring her family to the US. It's easy to say, "we don't need it anymore", but guess what.. a lot of MAGA ancestors came here even though the English living here didn't want your ancestors. They claimed your ancestors were taking away jobs from the English; or the Italians were taking jobs away from the Irish; or the Poles were taking jobs away from the Italians.

There were people, like you, who said the same things about your own ancestors.

How can Trump say to a regular citizen that they should not be allowed to bring their parents here when his own wife did the same thing? Melania had that opportunity, but now, no one else should have that opportunity?

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting how so many Indians voted for Trump when his supporters continuously mock their accents, looks, and cleanliness. I guess everyone has their price.

They don't give a shit about that. My DH is from India and our very large social circle is made up of wealthy Indian professionals from many fields: law, medicine, tech entrepreneurs, etc. Many of them always vote republican for one reason only - TAXES. They want to preserve as much as their wealth as possible. This is a regular topic of conversation at all of our gatherings.

How sad. Your social circle only cares about what benefits them monetarily. They don't care at all about social issues or the plight of people with lesser resources or opportunities. I guess that's typical from what I've seen....Let the wealthy thrive and leave the poorer ones or ones born to less opportunities to fend for themselves. Sound familiar?

What did you expect after importing people from cultures that are very different from the U.S. one?

oh please.. as if American culture cares bout the downtrodden, rather than only money. Look who America elected - a man who only cares about money.

Individualism - that's the American motto. So much so that they don't want universal healthcare; they don't want strong social safety nets. I'd say the ^PP's Indian family has all American values - money is king.

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Anonymous wrote:There is a raging attack on H1-B visa holders, highly skilled immigrants on Twitter right now. MAGA is roasting Elon and Ramaswammy for their support of the inflow of highly skilled immigrants in the country.

I cannot believe this is even an argument. People are so dumb.

I am an Indian American and my DH works in tech so I am quite familiar with the complexities of this topic. This issue is not simple, there is a genuine shortage of competent IT professionals, I am supportive of H1-B if they are bringing in engineers from IIT s( elite engineering schools in India, IITians command 100k salaries in India), bringing in IIT would truly mean bringing the “best and the brightest”, U.S can benefit tremendously from this IMO.

However, more often than not this is not the case, corporations are interested in bringing in the cheapest talent possible not the best and brightest, so this drives the wages down. Also, I truly feel we have plenty of talent here in the USA, they need to work on supporting our own talent rather than importing talent so corporations can benefit.

As for the hate, this is not new. People should hate the corporations that are enriching themselves over the backs of these people but as always it’s easier to hate brown people rather than take it up with powers that be.

The thing is that the graduates of the elite engineering schools in India have only one goal; to come here to the US, or do they not? I know this is the same at Indian Medical Schools. It’s a firmly laid out path, that a large percentage of the graduating class follows with a huge drive. This is the opposite from graduates of corresponding schools in Europe (who do not come here), Australia, etc.

However, it’s absolutely ridiculous to argue about the one program that brings *skilled* people in *legally*, when there are millions of unskilled simply walking across and staying illegally. Either way all of them are economic opportunists, and most don’t love America, other than as a vehicle (and none are refugees). Traditionally, the U.S. is the “Land of Opportunity”, so there’s that.

It’s almost impossible to get into medical school in the US and we have plenty of qualified candidates. We should be expanding our own schools vs bringing in immigrants who will then chain migrate their huge, extended families. This includes elderly parents who milk the system.

Finally, someone who understands! People who talk about productive immigrants have no idea that in so many cultures it is a tradition to bring over everyone and their aunt who aren’t a net benefit at all

Like Melania Trump, won’t you agree?

I don’t know much about her except that she herself came on a visa in a shady manner. Did she bring a hoard of relatives and put them on public benefits?

She brought in her parents and sister via chain migration. Facts.

Since Melania’s parents were in their 70s when they became citizens, it’s pretty certain they got public benefits in the form of Medicare. It’s unlikely they ever worked in the US given their age when they emigrated.

Fine, I agree, let’s stop the family reunification for the elderly. It is indeed a money suck. Medicaid/medicare and other services.
Are you happy now and can we forget Melania and start discussing millions of others bringing in their parents and putting them on the government dole?

MAGA motto: Do as I say, not as I do.

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Anonymous wrote: Sixty minutes should do an expose of American firms that prefer H1-B immigrants over US citizens because they are 50% cheaper. Nothing like screwing your own fellow citizens that makes these billionaires smile! Even MAGAS understand this!

My experience has been that the visa holders are not paid much less than the Americans would be. It may be the case that the company could fill the position if they paid double the salary, but right now that isn’t happening and the position stays vacant instead.

There are certain rates that the employer need to pay their visa workers. However there is a lot of cheating going on. Some demand kickbacks from the workers (20% of salary), some tweak the applications so that it seems like they need someone from their country of origin rather than an American. It’s not always done for financial reasons; some of it is culture fit.

If the position is needed why does it stay vacant. Is that what market economics is for. So this infilled position would then require a hirer salary or additional incentives to entice people to apply. Do you really believe only other countries have skilled workers?