Hate towards H1-B visa holders

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Anonymous wrote:And FWIW that’s the reason that most legal immigrants are so against illegal immigration, because we went through such a long process and earned it, and we see the value in having the process.

sure, but H1 visa holders are legal immigrants. Why hate on them?

Why hate on illegal immigrants who do hard labor for peanuts?

Because they are here illegally. They are not here because we need more low paid workers, we have more unskilled Americans than we have unskilled jobs.
Poor black people are pretty anti-illegal immigrant in large part because it's their jobs being taken

This post is full of BS

It's actually not. Low skilled black workers are who were hired after raids at chicken plants and the Hostess plant. A while ago there were even videos of black construction workers in Washington DC protesting illegal immigrants working on a site in the city.

But do they do a better or at least a similar job?

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Anonymous wrote: Sixty minutes should do an expose of American firms that prefer H1-B immigrants over US citizens because they are 50% cheaper. Nothing like screwing your own fellow citizens that makes these billionaires smile! Even MAGAS understand this!

My experience has been that the visa holders are not paid much less than the Americans would be. It may be the case that the company could fill the position if they paid double the salary, but right now that isn’t happening and the position stays vacant instead.

There are certain rates that the employer need to pay their visa workers. However there is a lot of cheating going on. Some demand kickbacks from the workers (20% of salary), some tweak the applications so that it seems like they need someone from their country of origin rather than an American. It’s not always done for financial reasons; some of it is culture fit.

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Anonymous wrote:Indians and Chinese are far brighter than Americans anyway. No biggie; they can stay home and outpace the US from there.

lol. You wish.

Chinese and Indians aren't "brighter" than Americans. The Chinese and Indians who come to the US are mostly the best and brightest fraction of the top 1% that India and China have.

They are not brighter, they just work harder and expect less in return. Parenting is a lot harsher over there.

There is also wide spread cheating on exams.
https://www.wsj.com/world/india/gangs-are-making-millions-helping-indians-cheat-on-exams-32500cce

Among a certain demographic, exam cheating is also widespread in this country as well

You can take a girl out of the village…

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Anonymous wrote:Here's my proposal:

1. Create a central jobs clearinghouse site, under the supervision of DOL and USCIS -

Mandatory Job Posting: Before submitting an application to bring employees in via requesting visas, companies must first post the job on this clearinghouse, which would include detailed job descriptions, requirements, salary information, and benefits.

Public Access: The clearinghouse should be publicly accessible so that job seekers, particularly American workers, can review the opportunities and apply directly before any visa is granted.

Standardized Job Description & Salary Requirements: The government could set guidelines for how job postings should be formatted, ensuring that the job description, qualifications, and salary are clearly defined and in line with industry norms.

2. Use AI and human review to ensure oversight and appropriateness -

AI Integration: AI could analyze job postings and compare them to industry standards, adjusting for region, company size, and job complexity. This would allow the system to flag positions that appear underpaid relative to market norms for similar roles, especially for technical positions in the STEM field.

Human Oversight: Given the complexity of job roles and salary variations across regions, a combination of AI and human reviewers would be necessary. Human experts in labor economics and industry trends would be required to verify edge cases and ensure that the algorithm’s recommendations are sound.

3. Ensure jobs are not fillable by American workers -

Minimum Posting Period: To implement this, companies could be required to post the job for a minimum period (e.g., 30 to 90 days) on the clearinghouse. During this time, the system could track applications and attempts to fill the position with U.S. workers.

American Worker Proof: Companies would need to demonstrate that they made reasonable efforts to recruit U.S. workers (e.g., interviews, job offers) before resorting to visa applications. The clearinghouse could facilitate this by collecting application data and allowing U.S. citizens to apply before visa applications are processed.

4. Factor in layoffs and other scenarios -

Layoff Reporting: Companies could be required to report any layoffs and the number of affected workers, which could be tracked against their visa employee count.

Visa Reduction in Line with Layoffs: If a company downsizes, the number of visa workers should ideally be adjusted downwards as well. For instance, if a company lays off a significant portion of its U.S. workforce, the number of visa holders employed at the company might need to be reduced, or visa renewals should be denied.

In addition to this system, we should also do the following:

Strengthen Labor Market Testing: One potential addition to your idea would be to make labor market testing (the process where companies demonstrate that they couldn't find qualified U.S. workers) more rigorous, including interviewing a more diverse set of candidates.

Wage Floor for Visa Workers: Another idea could be to impose a minimum wage requirement for visa holders, based on regional cost of living and the prevailing wage for the occupation. This would directly address concerns that companies use visa workers to undercut U.S. wages.

Expand STEM Education: A long-term solution might involve expanding STEM education programs to ensure a more robust pipeline of U.S. workers qualified for these roles. It would help mitigate the demand for foreign workers in the first place.

This is sensible, it is viable, and it is doable. Take this up with your members of Congress.

Or even better, just stop the program for the country the citizens of which then wait for 15-20 years to get green cards after the visa. That will clear the backlog and also help American workers.

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Anonymous wrote:There are already rules about posting jobs and having them go unfilled before getting a visa worker. They work around those rules. Another thing to remember is that not all of this is greedy corporations exploiting impoverished foreigners. Plenty of it is people already here getting family and friends here by any means necessary. I have firsthand experience with this.
In my own family I have a cousin in law who got into management at a tech company and his department now employs exclusively his extended family members. He sees nothing wrong with this. In his eyes he's helping his relatives which is what good people do. The problems of the American programmer aren't on his radar.
Last month I went on a job interview and the interviewer seemed unusually hostile, grilling me about my personal life (children etc.) I am not used to being treated that way because I am a highly competent scientist in an in-demand field. I asked for a lab tour and the interviewer refused. I peeked in the window on the way out and saw that only one ethnicity worked there. I did get multiple other offers so I'm not some unemployed person whining.

I have seen this happen in Fairfax County. A lot of a certain group of H1 holders would brag about getting over family for the same H1 visas, even for jobs like “administrative assistant”. How are American kids to get trained to be the top 10%, when certain groups of people have no problem abusing the system?

It’s BS that American students don’t know how to work hard. I have witnessed in Fairfax County Schools, H1 visa parents starting in elementary school, actively trying to push out any American kid who competes in STEM. Try to call to get your kid into group programming lessons? They hear you are not of their ethnic group and either don’t call back or say they don’t have openings. I have been told “Well this is for OUR community only. Where is YOUR community?” How is this fair? If I was white and openly said “I am only teaching white kids” in my publicly advertised business, people would rightfully be upset. Why are H1 visa holders allowed to be discriminatory?

I have seen math competitions done at certain competitive elementary/middle schools that had parents grading. No parent could grade their own kid, but they would help a friend out/try to shoot down kids outside of their ethnic group. It’s easy to do. “Well that I interpreted that a as an 9 and that’s wrong.” All the way through high school, certain parent ethnic groups would make sure they ran the stem clubs, even going as far as a teaching a few years in a top stem high school, all to make sure they appointed their kid as club leader and/or made sure their child was selected for State/National competitions. By starting early, these parents push out other American born students from getting the opportunities to develop upper level talent.

I am for immigration, but it needs to be 1) fair 2) regulated more 3) anyone admitted into the United States needs to actually believe in equality & fairness for ALL people. None of this gaming the system and then saying “Americans are lazy” as an excuse to tell yourself that what you are doing is OK.

We need more truth like this

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Anonymous wrote:There are already rules about posting jobs and having them go unfilled before getting a visa worker. They work around those rules. Another thing to remember is that not all of this is greedy corporations exploiting impoverished foreigners. Plenty of it is people already here getting family and friends here by any means necessary. I have firsthand experience with this.
In my own family I have a cousin in law who got into management at a tech company and his department now employs exclusively his extended family members. He sees nothing wrong with this. In his eyes he's helping his relatives which is what good people do. The problems of the American programmer aren't on his radar.
Last month I went on a job interview and the interviewer seemed unusually hostile, grilling me about my personal life (children etc.) I am not used to being treated that way because I am a highly competent scientist in an in-demand field. I asked for a lab tour and the interviewer refused. I peeked in the window on the way out and saw that only one ethnicity worked there. I did get multiple other offers so I'm not some unemployed person whining.

I have seen this happen in Fairfax County. A lot of a certain group of H1 holders would brag about getting over family for the same H1 visas, even for jobs like “administrative assistant”. How are American kids to get trained to be the top 10%, when certain groups of people have no problem abusing the system?

It’s BS that American students don’t know how to work hard. I have witnessed in Fairfax County Schools, H1 visa parents starting in elementary school, actively trying to push out any American kid who competes in STEM. Try to call to get your kid into group programming lessons? They hear you are not of their ethnic group and either don’t call back or say they don’t have openings. I have been told “Well this is for OUR community only. Where is YOUR community?” How is this fair? If I was white and openly said “I am only teaching white kids” in my publicly advertised business, people would rightfully be upset. Why are H1 visa holders allowed to be discriminatory?

I have seen math competitions done at certain competitive elementary/middle schools that had parents grading. No parent could grade their own kid, but they would help a friend out/try to shoot down kids outside of their ethnic group. It’s easy to do. “Well that I interpreted that a as an 9 and that’s wrong.” All the way through high school, certain parent ethnic groups would make sure they ran the stem clubs, even going as far as a teaching a few years in a top stem high school, all to make sure they appointed their kid as club leader and/or made sure their child was selected for State/National competitions. By starting early, these parents push out other American born students from getting the opportunities to develop upper level talent.

I am for immigration, but it needs to be 1) fair 2) regulated more 3) anyone admitted into the United States needs to actually believe in equality & fairness for ALL people. None of this gaming the system and then saying “Americans are lazy” as an excuse to tell yourself that what you are doing is OK.

Meanwhile, on the western side of FCPS and other parts, we are flooded with the children of poor immigrants. Our PTA couldn't get programs like this going. Teachers were against it unless we could guarantee slots to the poor. When the PTA said it could accommodate that, it still got shot down. Something about supervision and lack of transportation for after school clubs. Also, the school wanted to eliminate or greatly reduce homework and canned the science fair. Teachers were struggling to get students through the most basic material -no wonder they didn't want to do anything like a stupid science fair. This is where we are. It's no surprise certain ethnic groups that were once part of the school community went elsewhere.

Another truth being ignored by those in power and justice warriors

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Anonymous wrote:There is a raging attack on H1-B visa holders, highly skilled immigrants on Twitter right now. MAGA is roasting Elon and Ramaswammy for their support of the inflow of highly skilled immigrants in the country.

I cannot believe this is even an argument. People are so dumb.

I am an Indian American and my DH works in tech so I am quite familiar with the complexities of this topic. This issue is not simple, there is a genuine shortage of competent IT professionals, I am supportive of H1-B if they are bringing in engineers from IIT s( elite engineering schools in India, IITians command 100k salaries in India), bringing in IIT would truly mean bringing the “best and the brightest”, U.S can benefit tremendously from this IMO.

However, more often than not this is not the case, corporations are interested in bringing in the cheapest talent possible not the best and brightest, so this drives the wages down. Also, I truly feel we have plenty of talent here in the USA, they need to work on supporting our own talent rather than importing talent so corporations can benefit.

As for the hate, this is not new. People should hate the corporations that are enriching themselves over the backs of these people but as always it’s easier to hate brown people rather than take it up with powers that be.

The thing is that the graduates of the elite engineering schools in India have only one goal; to come here to the US, or do they not? I know this is the same at Indian Medical Schools. It’s a firmly laid out path, that a large percentage of the graduating class follows with a huge drive. This is the opposite from graduates of corresponding schools in Europe (who do not come here), Australia, etc.

However, it’s absolutely ridiculous to argue about the one program that brings *skilled* people in *legally*, when there are millions of unskilled simply walking across and staying illegally. Either way all of them are economic opportunists, and most don’t love America, other than as a vehicle (and none are refugees). Traditionally, the U.S. is the “Land of Opportunity”, so there’s that.

Why would we want India trained doctors?

Do you have any idea how stupid American kids are? If we only had that talent pool to tap into, there would be no more doctors.

Kids graduating high school in America today can barely read or count.

Have you had Indian doctors?

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Anonymous wrote:There is a raging attack on H1-B visa holders, highly skilled immigrants on Twitter right now. MAGA is roasting Elon and Ramaswammy for their support of the inflow of highly skilled immigrants in the country.

I cannot believe this is even an argument. People are so dumb.

I am an Indian American and my DH works in tech so I am quite familiar with the complexities of this topic. This issue is not simple, there is a genuine shortage of competent IT professionals, I am supportive of H1-B if they are bringing in engineers from IIT s( elite engineering schools in India, IITians command 100k salaries in India), bringing in IIT would truly mean bringing the “best and the brightest”, U.S can benefit tremendously from this IMO.

However, more often than not this is not the case, corporations are interested in bringing in the cheapest talent possible not the best and brightest, so this drives the wages down. Also, I truly feel we have plenty of talent here in the USA, they need to work on supporting our own talent rather than importing talent so corporations can benefit.

As for the hate, this is not new. People should hate the corporations that are enriching themselves over the backs of these people but as always it’s easier to hate brown people rather than take it up with powers that be.

The thing is that the graduates of the elite engineering schools in India have only one goal; to come here to the US, or do they not? I know this is the same at Indian Medical Schools. It’s a firmly laid out path, that a large percentage of the graduating class follows with a huge drive. This is the opposite from graduates of corresponding schools in Europe (who do not come here), Australia, etc.

However, it’s absolutely ridiculous to argue about the one program that brings *skilled* people in *legally*, when there are millions of unskilled simply walking across and staying illegally. Either way all of them are economic opportunists, and most don’t love America, other than as a vehicle (and none are refugees). Traditionally, the U.S. is the “Land of Opportunity”, so there’s that.

It’s almost impossible to get into medical school in the US and we have plenty of qualified candidates. We should be expanding our own schools vs bringing in immigrants who will then chain migrate their huge, extended families. This includes elderly parents who milk the system.

Finally, someone who understands! People who talk about productive immigrants have no idea that in so many cultures it is a tradition to bring over everyone and their aunt who aren’t a net benefit at all

Like Melania Trump, won’t you agree?

I don’t know much about her except that she herself came on a visa in a shady manner. Did she bring a hoard of relatives and put them on public benefits?

She brought in her parents and sister via chain migration. Facts.

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Anonymous wrote:There is a raging attack on H1-B visa holders, highly skilled immigrants on Twitter right now. MAGA is roasting Elon and Ramaswammy for their support of the inflow of highly skilled immigrants in the country.

I cannot believe this is even an argument. People are so dumb.

I am an Indian American and my DH works in tech so I am quite familiar with the complexities of this topic. This issue is not simple, there is a genuine shortage of competent IT professionals, I am supportive of H1-B if they are bringing in engineers from IIT s( elite engineering schools in India, IITians command 100k salaries in India), bringing in IIT would truly mean bringing the “best and the brightest”, U.S can benefit tremendously from this IMO.

However, more often than not this is not the case, corporations are interested in bringing in the cheapest talent possible not the best and brightest, so this drives the wages down. Also, I truly feel we have plenty of talent here in the USA, they need to work on supporting our own talent rather than importing talent so corporations can benefit.

As for the hate, this is not new. People should hate the corporations that are enriching themselves over the backs of these people but as always it’s easier to hate brown people rather than take it up with powers that be.

The thing is that the graduates of the elite engineering schools in India have only one goal; to come here to the US, or do they not? I know this is the same at Indian Medical Schools. It’s a firmly laid out path, that a large percentage of the graduating class follows with a huge drive. This is the opposite from graduates of corresponding schools in Europe (who do not come here), Australia, etc.

However, it’s absolutely ridiculous to argue about the one program that brings *skilled* people in *legally*, when there are millions of unskilled simply walking across and staying illegally. Either way all of them are economic opportunists, and most don’t love America, other than as a vehicle (and none are refugees). Traditionally, the U.S. is the “Land of Opportunity”, so there’s that.

It’s almost impossible to get into medical school in the US and we have plenty of qualified candidates. We should be expanding our own schools vs bringing in immigrants who will then chain migrate their huge, extended families. This includes elderly parents who milk the system.

Finally, someone who understands! People who talk about productive immigrants have no idea that in so many cultures it is a tradition to bring over everyone and their aunt who aren’t a net benefit at all

Like Melania Trump, won’t you agree?

I don’t know much about her except that she herself came on a visa in a shady manner. Did she bring a hoard of relatives and put them on public benefits?

She brought in her parents and sister via chain migration. Facts.

Since Melania’s parents were in their 70s when they became citizens, it’s pretty certain they got public benefits in the form of Medicare. It’s unlikely they ever worked in the US given their age when they emigrated.

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Just like scabs in days gone by, anyone that works with an H1XXB hates them. They are indentured servants that bring down the salaries for all workers.

And the Indians are worse, they ONLY hire other Indians. And they are racist, ever see Indians with African Americans? Never going to happen

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Anonymous wrote:There is a raging attack on H1-B visa holders, highly skilled immigrants on Twitter right now. MAGA is roasting Elon and Ramaswammy for their support of the inflow of highly skilled immigrants in the country.

I cannot believe this is even an argument. People are so dumb.

I am an Indian American and my DH works in tech so I am quite familiar with the complexities of this topic. This issue is not simple, there is a genuine shortage of competent IT professionals, I am supportive of H1-B if they are bringing in engineers from IIT s( elite engineering schools in India, IITians command 100k salaries in India), bringing in IIT would truly mean bringing the “best and the brightest”, U.S can benefit tremendously from this IMO.

However, more often than not this is not the case, corporations are interested in bringing in the cheapest talent possible not the best and brightest, so this drives the wages down. Also, I truly feel we have plenty of talent here in the USA, they need to work on supporting our own talent rather than importing talent so corporations can benefit.

As for the hate, this is not new. People should hate the corporations that are enriching themselves over the backs of these people but as always it’s easier to hate brown people rather than take it up with powers that be.

The thing is that the graduates of the elite engineering schools in India have only one goal; to come here to the US, or do they not? I know this is the same at Indian Medical Schools. It’s a firmly laid out path, that a large percentage of the graduating class follows with a huge drive. This is the opposite from graduates of corresponding schools in Europe (who do not come here), Australia, etc.

However, it’s absolutely ridiculous to argue about the one program that brings *skilled* people in *legally*, when there are millions of unskilled simply walking across and staying illegally. Either way all of them are economic opportunists, and most don’t love America, other than as a vehicle (and none are refugees). Traditionally, the U.S. is the “Land of Opportunity”, so there’s that.

It’s almost impossible to get into medical school in the US and we have plenty of qualified candidates. We should be expanding our own schools vs bringing in immigrants who will then chain migrate their huge, extended families. This includes elderly parents who milk the system.

Finally, someone who understands! People who talk about productive immigrants have no idea that in so many cultures it is a tradition to bring over everyone and their aunt who aren’t a net benefit at all

Like Melania Trump, won’t you agree?

I don’t know much about her except that she herself came on a visa in a shady manner. Did she bring a hoard of relatives and put them on public benefits?

She brought in her parents and sister via chain migration. Facts.

Since Melania’s parents were in their 70s when they became citizens, it’s pretty certain they got public benefits in the form of Medicare. It’s unlikely they ever worked in the US given their age when they emigrated.

I thought you had to work to earn Medicare. Everyone old gets it???

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Anonymous wrote:lol maybe Americans should focus on academic excellence. Then maybe these jobs can be ours. But we whine about cost of college. Then we say it is on for the elite. Then we crap on the people that do take a chance and take out all these loans to have the potential opportunity to get ahead.

The market for CS and programmers is over-saturated. New graduates are having a hard time. Any company hiring H1-B visa holders now is doing it solely to undermine wages. There's plenty of domestic talent for most positions in that field.

+100 - go on LinkedIn and any tech job has over 200 applicants. Good luck getting a job. If you're older, you need to reskill if you lose your job. There is no training anymore. You will not even get called. Good luck making it to Medicare. McDonalds is looking good.

Many companies have robust operations in other countries. No need to hire anyone here or bring others here. If the work can be done from home in the US, and doesn't require US citizenship, then the job can be shipped overseas. This is no longer confined to tech. They have great managers, PMPs, accountants, etc. over there, too, at a fraction of the price.

My company's best IT people are in the Czech Republic and are very well paid at $100,000 a year less than I make. I am waiting to getting axed any day.

I am sorry about your situation.
Going on a tangent though - why don’t all companies hire in Eastern Europe where they have people with relatively similar work ethic and good skills? Why countries where people are known to lie and cheat and produce bad code?

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Anonymous wrote:Just like scabs in days gone by, anyone that works with an H1XXB hates them. They are indentured servants that bring down the salaries for all workers.

And the Indians are worse, they ONLY hire other Indians. And they are racist, ever see Indians with African Americans? Never going to happen

EE hxb workers are decent usually, I’ve worked with them.
Completely agree on your other points

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Anonymous wrote:There is a raging attack on H1-B visa holders, highly skilled immigrants on Twitter right now. MAGA is roasting Elon and Ramaswammy for their support of the inflow of highly skilled immigrants in the country.

I cannot believe this is even an argument. People are so dumb.

I am an Indian American and my DH works in tech so I am quite familiar with the complexities of this topic. This issue is not simple, there is a genuine shortage of competent IT professionals, I am supportive of H1-B if they are bringing in engineers from IIT s( elite engineering schools in India, IITians command 100k salaries in India), bringing in IIT would truly mean bringing the “best and the brightest”, U.S can benefit tremendously from this IMO.

However, more often than not this is not the case, corporations are interested in bringing in the cheapest talent possible not the best and brightest, so this drives the wages down. Also, I truly feel we have plenty of talent here in the USA, they need to work on supporting our own talent rather than importing talent so corporations can benefit.

As for the hate, this is not new. People should hate the corporations that are enriching themselves over the backs of these people but as always it’s easier to hate brown people rather than take it up with powers that be.

The thing is that the graduates of the elite engineering schools in India have only one goal; to come here to the US, or do they not? I know this is the same at Indian Medical Schools. It’s a firmly laid out path, that a large percentage of the graduating class follows with a huge drive. This is the opposite from graduates of corresponding schools in Europe (who do not come here), Australia, etc.

However, it’s absolutely ridiculous to argue about the one program that brings *skilled* people in *legally*, when there are millions of unskilled simply walking across and staying illegally. Either way all of them are economic opportunists, and most don’t love America, other than as a vehicle (and none are refugees). Traditionally, the U.S. is the “Land of Opportunity”, so there’s that.

It’s almost impossible to get into medical school in the US and we have plenty of qualified candidates. We should be expanding our own schools vs bringing in immigrants who will then chain migrate their huge, extended families. This includes elderly parents who milk the system.

Finally, someone who understands! People who talk about productive immigrants have no idea that in so many cultures it is a tradition to bring over everyone and their aunt who aren’t a net benefit at all

Like Melania Trump, won’t you agree?

I don’t know much about her except that she herself came on a visa in a shady manner. Did she bring a hoard of relatives and put them on public benefits?

She brought in her parents and sister via chain migration. Facts.

Since Melania’s parents were in their 70s when they became citizens, it’s pretty certain they got public benefits in the form of Medicare. It’s unlikely they ever worked in the US given their age when they emigrated.

Fine, I agree, let’s stop the family reunification for the elderly. It is indeed a money suck. Medicaid/medicare and other services.
Are you happy now and can we forget Melania and start discussing millions of others bringing in their parents and putting them on the government dole?

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Anonymous wrote:There is a raging attack on H1-B visa holders, highly skilled immigrants on Twitter right now. MAGA is roasting Elon and Ramaswammy for their support of the inflow of highly skilled immigrants in the country.

I cannot believe this is even an argument. People are so dumb.

I am an Indian American and my DH works in tech so I am quite familiar with the complexities of this topic. This issue is not simple, there is a genuine shortage of competent IT professionals, I am supportive of H1-B if they are bringing in engineers from IIT s( elite engineering schools in India, IITians command 100k salaries in India), bringing in IIT would truly mean bringing the “best and the brightest”, U.S can benefit tremendously from this IMO.

However, more often than not this is not the case, corporations are interested in bringing in the cheapest talent possible not the best and brightest, so this drives the wages down. Also, I truly feel we have plenty of talent here in the USA, they need to work on supporting our own talent rather than importing talent so corporations can benefit.

As for the hate, this is not new. People should hate the corporations that are enriching themselves over the backs of these people but as always it’s easier to hate brown people rather than take it up with powers that be.

The thing is that the graduates of the elite engineering schools in India have only one goal; to come here to the US, or do they not? I know this is the same at Indian Medical Schools. It’s a firmly laid out path, that a large percentage of the graduating class follows with a huge drive. This is the opposite from graduates of corresponding schools in Europe (who do not come here), Australia, etc.

However, it’s absolutely ridiculous to argue about the one program that brings *skilled* people in *legally*, when there are millions of unskilled simply walking across and staying illegally. Either way all of them are economic opportunists, and most don’t love America, other than as a vehicle (and none are refugees). Traditionally, the U.S. is the “Land of Opportunity”, so there’s that.

Why would we want India trained doctors?

Do you have any idea how stupid American kids are? If we only had that talent pool to tap into, there would be no more doctors.

Kids graduating high school in America today can barely read or count.

Have you had Indian doctors?

DP. My dad is seeing one. She seems ok. I’ve seen other drs who told me things that were outright wrong. At least she gives out all the referrals and prescriptions as asked. One has to manage one’s care nowadays or get screwed.