Immigration - how is it such a huge issue in this race?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Apologies if there’s another thread on this…

But really? It seems like people I know who are not particularly affected by this issue are focused on it as a deciding factor in the election. It’s immigration, immigration, immigration.

Is immigration that terrible for our country? In my world at least, the most obvious related issue I see is that small businesses don’t have enough labor. So immigration is a good thing.

Maybe I’m myopic. Can someone please explain?

I live in an agricultural area, which has been forever altered by immigration. Whether it’s been undocumented or lowskilled-legal cause farmers “need labor”.

Even though I probably wont vote for Trump (which I never have in the past either) I think he’s a blessing when it comes to the immigration discussion. FINALLY we might vote out the elitist in my district, FINALLY immigration is something both parties acknowledge is ridiculous. FINALLY people are taking seriously the issues that come with mass migration of people who.. and this is the honest to God truth: don’t have even the equivalent of a GED, but then have 5+ kids.. (who the community and taxpayers become responsible for through different government programs).


1. Thank you Trump for making immigration an issue to be discussed in terms of restriction.
2. Thank you Biden for, in an attempt to placate your voters—caused the biggest surge of migrants in 20 years.. many of who were allowed in.
3. Thank you both Biden and Abbot for sending these huge amounts of migrants to dark-blue big cities so they get a taste of of the issues we’ve dealt with, somewhat comparable to where I live.

Immigration is fine and dandy when it’s high-skilled migrants who can afford to live here by virtue of their high-skilled and much needed job.

It’s different when it’s people who either work under the table and thus contribute nothing to taxes, or even if they have an ITIN—they have 5+ citizen kids we have to provide snap, medicaid, CHIP, k-12 education ESL classes for, etc…


Tl;dr it’s an issue because areas where Democrats have a supermajority are feeling the pain that border ciries and agricultural areas have been feeling for the past 30 years.

Please post where this area is. Because you draw an extreme example that frankly isn’t my reality at all in my area that people on here claim is ‘flooded with immigrants all over the streets’ (it’s not). They have normal sized families, work hard and as soon as they can, they are contributing to the tax base and their communities. There is in fact one community who has many kids, relies heavily on social services (with the occasional scandal when they are publicly caught cheating it) and who refuses to offer anything to the communities they live in… I’ll let you guess who that is. It’s not immigrants

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe someone started a thread asking why immigration is a huge issue in this race. It boggles the mind that someone can’t understand why such a huge task of the federal government would be a concern to voters. Are DC liberals this out of touch with the mainstream?!

Not in DC. Where is it that you live that you are personally so affected?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Trump made it an issue because he had nothing else to run on. The economy is relatively strong, and all the other facets of the country are operating well. So he got the GOP to tank its own immigration bill so instead of addressing the problem, he made it worse.

Harris has said she would sign that bill.
Trump has not. Why not?

And in the mean time, we have had nothing from the right but race baiting, zenophophia and crazy "they are eating the cats and dogs" BS.

Agree

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe someone started a thread asking why immigration is a huge issue in this race. It boggles the mind that someone can’t understand why such a huge task of the federal government would be a concern to voters. Are DC liberals this out of touch with the mainstream?!

Not in DC. Where is it that you live that you are personally so affected?

Alexandria, Virginia. Illegal immigrants (and those brought here under the admins insane TPS programs) have degraded this City and is crushing our public services and infrastructure. But, I agree that DC proper’s abject failure to address crime by US citizens personally affects more people in DC than the illegal immigrant invasion.

[Anonymous]

I'm an immigrant and I think most immigrants are very anti illegal immigration of people whose criminal history is not vetted. It seems like complete insanity to me to have some people jump through a multitude of legal hoops to even stay here after being productive members of society for years, and then have criminals jump the border and be here long enough to establish gang strongholds at all. It makes absolutely zero sense why anyone is allowing a gang member to be in the US for even a day, much less come in at all. I don't see how it's not been tackled better already.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm an immigrant and I think most immigrants are very anti illegal immigration of people whose criminal history is not vetted. It seems like complete insanity to me to have some people jump through a multitude of legal hoops to even stay here after being productive members of society for years, and then have criminals jump the border and be here long enough to establish gang strongholds at all. It makes absolutely zero sense why anyone is allowing a gang member to be in the US for even a day, much less come in at all. I don't see how it's not been tackled better already.

This. We have a legal migration process. Why are we okay with some people jumping the line?

[Anonymous]

It’s a huge issue because it affects everyday Americans who need to work, drive, attend school, or use public spaces.

I’m sure that’s difficult for people who live in grand estates and have servants to fetch them what they need to understand like you, OP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm an immigrant and I think most immigrants are very anti illegal immigration of people whose criminal history is not vetted. It seems like complete insanity to me to have some people jump through a multitude of legal hoops to even stay here after being productive members of society for years, and then have criminals jump the border and be here long enough to establish gang strongholds at all. It makes absolutely zero sense why anyone is allowing a gang member to be in the US for even a day, much less come in at all. I don't see how it's not been tackled better already.

I think you’re lying. If you were truly a recent immigrant you’d know that immigrants are not ‘criminals’, they are those fleeing poverty and war and seeking a better life, just as you did. And my great grandparents did. My great grandfather was illegal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s a huge issue because it affects everyday Americans who need to work, drive, attend school, or use public spaces.

I’m sure that’s difficult for people who live in grand estates and have servants to fetch them what they need to understand like you, OP.

I’m an everyday American in a community people on here claim is greatly affected. Not accurate

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe someone started a thread asking why immigration is a huge issue in this race. It boggles the mind that someone can’t understand why such a huge task of the federal government would be a concern to voters. Are DC liberals this out of touch with the mainstream?!

Not in DC. Where is it that you live that you are personally so affected?

Alexandria, Virginia. Illegal immigrants (and those brought here under the admins insane TPS programs) have degraded this City and is crushing our public services and infrastructure. But, I agree that DC proper’s abject failure to address crime by US citizens personally affects more people in DC than the illegal immigrant invasion.

Invasion?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe someone started a thread asking why immigration is a huge issue in this race. It boggles the mind that someone can’t understand why such a huge task of the federal government would be a concern to voters. Are DC liberals this out of touch with the mainstream?!

Not in DC. Where is it that you live that you are personally so affected?

Alexandria, Virginia. Illegal immigrants (and those brought here under the admins insane TPS programs) have degraded this City and is crushing our public services and infrastructure. But, I agree that DC proper’s abject failure to address crime by US citizens personally affects more people in DC than the illegal immigrant invasion.

How has it affected you?

[Anonymous]

MAGA's are the picture of xenophobia and trump keepstrlling blue collar workers that illegal immigrants are taking their jobs, eating their pets, are the only people committing crimes in the country and MAGAS l, who hate everyone but white men, believe him.

[Anonymous]

This is exactly it and the point of the post. It is fear mongering. And unfortunately it works. The much bigger threat to middle class and LMC is corporate greed, no worker protections, no safety nets, and of course climate devastation that will make living in previously affordable areas dangerous and unaffordable. But let’s ignore all of that and focus on these ‘criminal’ immigrants stealing from us and eating our pets.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe someone started a thread asking why immigration is a huge issue in this race. It boggles the mind that someone can’t understand why such a huge task of the federal government would be a concern to voters. Are DC liberals this out of touch with the mainstream?!

Not in DC. Where is it that you live that you are personally so affected?

Alexandria, Virginia. Illegal immigrants (and those brought here under the admins insane TPS programs) have degraded this City and is crushing our public services and infrastructure. But, I agree that DC proper’s abject failure to address crime by US citizens personally affects more people in DC than the illegal immigrant invasion.

How has it affected you?

I have children in public schools which are overcrowded and unable to educate. The district stupidly chooses to allow 22 year old ELL students to go to high school. So my 14 year old sophomore girl is in gym class with a 22 year old. My car insurance rates are increasing. Access to medical care is diminished and long waits at the ER. There was a body found in our local playground a few years back - gang related. The number of cars parked on residential streets is insane. I can go on. Again - the City’s lack of governance is the heart of the problem, but the continuous stream of people exacerbates it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm an immigrant and I think most immigrants are very anti illegal immigration of people whose criminal history is not vetted. It seems like complete insanity to me to have some people jump through a multitude of legal hoops to even stay here after being productive members of society for years, and then have criminals jump the border and be here long enough to establish gang strongholds at all. It makes absolutely zero sense why anyone is allowing a gang member to be in the US for even a day, much less come in at all. I don't see how it's not been tackled better already.

I think you’re lying. If you were truly a recent immigrant you’d know that immigrants are not ‘criminals’, they are those fleeing poverty and war and seeking a better life, just as you did. And my great grandparents did. My great grandfather was illegal.

Dp. What? Your great grandfather was very likely not illegal. He was probably vetted at the border, like many of our parents and grandparents were. My mother came over in the 1950’s. She was sponsored by her aunt. She had to have a sponsor who would assume responsibility for her so she would not be a burden on the state. She would not have been allowed to immigrate otherwise. That is a very different system than allowing anyone to cross the border and apply for asylum now.