DUI and Death on Harrison

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Anonymous wrote:No bond. Next court date is in two months. this is public info.

Does that mean he stays in jail until the court date?

If the judge denied bond this morning, his lawyer can petition a higher court for a bond hearing. But yes, for now, he's in jail. And if the higher court denies bond, he'll stay in jail.

I wonder if the decision to refuse a breathalyzer and blood test at the scene is at all a factor? That shows a level of non-cooperation the judge could take into consideration. I don't know how judges decide these things though.

Doubtful. A good many DUI suspects refuse the breathalyzer. It's a roll of the dice. Will your BAC be higher or lower by the time a warrant for a blood draw is obtained? A refusal of the breathalyzer in VA means you automatically lose your license right then but that could be a better outcome for many. Also, a lot of times the refusal charge will get dropped when bargaining with the CA (commonwealth attorney).

How does an 18 year old know that he should refuse the breathalyzer? Do teens talk about this and advise each other to not take it?

Good question!

This is why this thread is a bit off the rails. It’s people who know more about the situation and people talking generalities about this topic.

[Anonymous]

Why are people talking about wearing a seatbelt as if he was in a state of mind to make a reasoned decision about wearing one or about getting in the car with an impaired driver? Do you understand how drunk kids get? Many HS kids rarely drink beer and only drink hard alcohol (I have no idea what these kids drank and how drunk they actually were). These kids may have been so drunk that they have no memory of getting in the car. That doesn’t excuse their actions, but it’s possible they didn’t even know their own names at that point.

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Anonymous wrote:Such a horribly sad situation. I live in Arlington and have many 2nd and 3rd degree connections with both families. These are good kids we’re talking about! As are most kids, partiers or not. My heart breaks for all concerned. Of course the deceased boy’s parents most of all. He was an only child and a smart, kind young man. Why do our smart kind young men put themselves in these situations?

Omg this is devastating. His poor parents.

It would be somehow less devastating if he had siblings and didn't do as well in school?

WTF is wrong with you?

Wtf is wrong with YOU? You can’t understand how parents losing their only child- a young adult- is absolutely devastating in its own special hell?

My relatives lost their only adult son in a tragic way. They separated for a long time over grief issues. Reconciled but their marriage was never the same. One ended up dying essentially of a broken heart.

It wasn't just that the kid was an only it was that he was a "smart, kind young man".

As if it wouldn't be as devastating to the parents if he were a kid who didn't do well in school.

On other threads, some posters also think it's absolutely horrible when an attractive person is killed.

I guess some lives are worth more than others to shallow people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why are people talking about wearing a seatbelt as if he was in a state of mind to make a reasoned decision about wearing one or about getting in the car with an impaired driver? Do you understand how drunk kids get? Many HS kids rarely drink beer and only drink hard alcohol (I have no idea what these kids drank and how drunk they actually were). These kids may have been so drunk that they have no memory of getting in the car. That doesn’t excuse their actions, but it’s possible they didn’t even know their own names at that point.

I'm sure that factored into many of the bad decisions made that night, including getting behind the wheel, getting into the car with a drunk driver, not wearing a seatbelt, etc.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The is a horrible situation for all the families. The driver will have to live with this forever. There is also a family who is missing their dear son forever. Long after DCUM posters who write things they would not say face to face move into another topic ..these families will still be grieving. I wish people thought a little more before typing something toxic.

I am perfectly happy to say that DUI isn't handled the way it should be in the US to anyone's face. It's never acceptable to be driving impaired. However, we give it a pass because it's as apparently some sort of right of passage. So many people posting on this thread, "I drove drunk all the time when I was underage and it was fine." That doesn't make this behavior acceptable.

I see ZERO people in here giving this a pass. I think you are mistaking compassion for excusal. Nobody in here is saying what these kids did is okay, or that anyone who does this should get a pass, or that it's a common mistake so it shouldn't be a big deal when it happens.

I just see people saying that they understand how it could happen because they have seen their own kids do stupid things -- not that that that understanding alone is enough and the kids should all just move on as though nothing has happened. I see people sad because lives are ruined. I see people not wanting to kick a horse when it's already down.

You keep willfully misunderstanding people's good intentions here. It's weird and sad.

This is the part that is disingenuous to me and what I see people pushing back against. Are we really holding ourselves accountable as a community for what we as adults allow to go on with these kids? Let's leave the kids out of it. They are children and then teens and then barely legal adults and it is our responsibility to raise them. I don't think it's weird or sad to push on this particular part of the topic. I get it that it's uncomfortable. When is the right time? The aftermath of an accident is not a great time but also that's when people are paying attention at all. Will it be back to business as usual in a couple of weekends? I really fear it will be.

When I said above that "I just see people saying that they understand how it could happen because they have seen their own kids do stupid things," I meant that I have seen my own kids start to cross the street without looking, or open their car door into a busy street, or lie about having brushed their teeth before bedtime. I mean that fully sober kids do not always think things through. I haven't ever seen my kids drink or do drugs, but sure I guess I'm being "disingenuous" about my own communal accountability for ... I'm not sure what, exactly, but I guess DUI accidents.

You are reading things that I don't mean into what I am saying. Unless you really mean that seeing my kids do unrelated idiotic things makes me responsible and I should be doing more. But even there, you don't know what I am already doing or what conversations I've already had.

If you are the same poster who was earlier talking about some parents letting their kids drink and thinking that some kids participated in this sort of activity more than other kids and yourself not being very surprised by the result, I would encourage you to take a break from patting yourself on the back for a few minutes. I also have kids that (for now at least) do not drink or do drugs, but I know a big part of this is luck and not necessarily my exceptional parenting, and that if my kids did start to do this, I might not know or be able to stop them every time.

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It is totally wishful thinking that every teen who made a dumb decision to do drugs, drink and drive, etc. come from “bad families” who are permissive and encourage partying. As if just talking to your kids about things and monitoring them is bullet proof.

Except that even good kids can sneak around (even technology tracking) or make poor impulsive choices despite having wonderful parents. I did my fair share of idiotic stuff as a teen and I had very involved parents who did not allow partying. It terrifies me for when my kids are teens.

Obviously parents should try to mitigate things by keeping open communication and setting reasonable boundaries, but that doesn’t mean you’re immune from your kid drinking and driving or getting in a car with a drunk person or not wearing a seatbelt etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Drunk driver Brooks Bare is (was) a freshman at Ole Miss. He would have been on fall break.

Demographic Information
Name: BARE, BROOKS THURSTON
Subject Number: 203876
10/12/2024 10:17 AM
Booking History
Booking 2024-00004805
Booking Date: 10/12/2024 8:21 AM
Total Bond Amount: $0.00
Bond Type Bond Amount
No data
Charges Court Date
10/15/2024 9:00

DUI MANSLAUGHTER:
INVOLUNTARY
10/12/2024 9:00 AM

Ole Miss doesn’t have a “Fall Break.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Drunk driver Brooks Bare is (was) a freshman at Ole Miss. He would have been on fall break.

Demographic Information
Name: BARE, BROOKS THURSTON
Subject Number: 203876
10/12/2024 10:17 AM
Booking History
Booking 2024-00004805
Booking Date: 10/12/2024 8:21 AM
Total Bond Amount: $0.00
Bond Type Bond Amount
No data
Charges Court Date
10/15/2024 9:00

DUI MANSLAUGHTER:
INVOLUNTARY
10/12/2024 9:00 AM

Ole Miss doesn’t have a “Fall Break.”

What's your point? My son is at UVA and was home for Fall Break this weekend. Lots of kids came home even if they didn't have an official Fall Break since it was a long weekend for many.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone know what happened this morning? His court date was at 9am.

He was arraigned this morning and the preliminary hearing Dec. 16. He's still in custody.

I'm sure his lawyer is filing for a bond hearing unless they also did that this morning and the general district judge still did not grant bond.

Sounds like they want to make an example out of him. It should share a lot of 18 year olds.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No bond. Next court date is in two months. this is public info.

Does that mean he stays in jail until the court date?

If the judge denied bond this morning, his lawyer can petition a higher court for a bond hearing. But yes, for now, he's in jail. And if the higher court denies bond, he'll stay in jail.

I wonder if the decision to refuse a breathalyzer and blood test at the scene is at all a factor? That shows a level of non-cooperation the judge could take into consideration. I don't know how judges decide these things though.

Doubtful. A good many DUI suspects refuse the breathalyzer. It's a roll of the dice. Will your BAC be higher or lower by the time a warrant for a blood draw is obtained? A refusal of the breathalyzer in VA means you automatically lose your license right then but that could be a better outcome for many. Also, a lot of times the refusal charge will get dropped when bargaining with the CA (commonwealth attorney).

How does an 18 year old know that he should refuse the breathalyzer? Do teens talk about this and advise each other to not take it?

I think it's pretty common knowledge. My dad always taught me that if I ever got in any sort of trouble to tell them my name and say I want to call him and then say nothing else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone know what happened this morning? His court date was at 9am.

He was arraigned this morning and the preliminary hearing Dec. 16. He's still in custody.

I'm sure his lawyer is filing for a bond hearing unless they also did that this morning and the general district judge still did not grant bond.

Sounds like they want to make an example out of him. It should share a lot of 18 year olds.

If that is the case this is wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone know what happened this morning? His court date was at 9am.

He was arraigned this morning and the preliminary hearing Dec. 16. He's still in custody.

I'm sure his lawyer is filing for a bond hearing unless they also did that this morning and the general district judge still did not grant bond.

Sounds like they want to make an example out of him. It should share a lot of 18 year olds.

I don't know about that. Typically you get arraigned almost immediately after you are arrested, right?, unless you have the misfortune of getting arrested on the weekend, in which case you sit in jail until Monday. And here it was a long weekend, so this was just that very first reading of the charges in court. I assume the offense charged is the type of offense that calls for a separate bond hearing regardless of any assumptions or example setting the prosecutors may be inclined towards.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No bond. Next court date is in two months. this is public info.

Does that mean he stays in jail until the court date?

If the judge denied bond this morning, his lawyer can petition a higher court for a bond hearing. But yes, for now, he's in jail. And if the higher court denies bond, he'll stay in jail.

I wonder if the decision to refuse a breathalyzer and blood test at the scene is at all a factor? That shows a level of non-cooperation the judge could take into consideration. I don't know how judges decide these things though.

Doubtful. A good many DUI suspects refuse the breathalyzer. It's a roll of the dice. Will your BAC be higher or lower by the time a warrant for a blood draw is obtained? A refusal of the breathalyzer in VA means you automatically lose your license right then but that could be a better outcome for many. Also, a lot of times the refusal charge will get dropped when bargaining with the CA (commonwealth attorney).

How does an 18 year old know that he should refuse the breathalyzer? Do teens talk about this and advise each other to not take it?

I think it's pretty common knowledge. My dad always taught me that if I ever got in any sort of trouble to tell them my name and say I want to call him and then say nothing else.

Classic. No I have not given my kids this life tip. Are people telling their children this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why are people talking about wearing a seatbelt as if he was in a state of mind to make a reasoned decision about wearing one or about getting in the car with an impaired driver? Do you understand how drunk kids get? Many HS kids rarely drink beer and only drink hard alcohol (I have no idea what these kids drank and how drunk they actually were). These kids may have been so drunk that they have no memory of getting in the car. That doesn’t excuse their actions, but it’s possible they didn’t even know their own names at that point.

The driver was coherent and thinking enough to refuse the breathalyzer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Drunk driver Brooks Bare is (was) a freshman at Ole Miss. He would have been on fall break.

Demographic Information
Name: BARE, BROOKS THURSTON
Subject Number: 203876
10/12/2024 10:17 AM
Booking History
Booking 2024-00004805
Booking Date: 10/12/2024 8:21 AM
Total Bond Amount: $0.00
Bond Type Bond Amount
No data
Charges Court Date
10/15/2024 9:00

DUI MANSLAUGHTER:
INVOLUNTARY
10/12/2024 9:00 AM

Ole Miss doesn’t have a “Fall Break.”

What's your point? My son is at UVA and was home for Fall Break this weekend. Lots of kids came home even if they didn't have an official Fall Break since it was a long weekend for many.

My point is Ole Miss doesn’t have a fall break.

[Anonymous]

There are 3 huge driving safety take aways from this horrible accident. The most obvious is drunk driving is a bad idea, especially in young people who are still learning their limits with alcohol and how to drive safely.

But seat belts save lives. So wearing it could have saved this young man's life. Tell your kids to always buckle up. Always.

The last is often overlooked, but it's that SPEEDING KILLS. If the young man behind the wheel had been going to speed limit, even while impaired, no one would be dead right now. He might have hit some parked cars and stopped. He flipped because he was speeding. If you go the speed limit, you don't flip over.