DUI and Death on Harrison

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Anonymous wrote:Why are people talking about wearing a seatbelt as if he was in a state of mind to make a reasoned decision about wearing one or about getting in the car with an impaired driver? Do you understand how drunk kids get? Many HS kids rarely drink beer and only drink hard alcohol (I have no idea what these kids drank and how drunk they actually were). These kids may have been so drunk that they have no memory of getting in the car. That doesn’t excuse their actions, but it’s possible they didn’t even know their own names at that point.

I'm sure that factored into many of the bad decisions made that night, including getting behind the wheel, getting into the car with a drunk driver, not wearing a seatbelt, etc.

Freshmen in college. First time home and first time meeting up with old friends at different colleges. As said upstream, this is the most dangerous time for young men. Being just a mile or two from home, i.e., safe, also factors into poor decision making. Most accidents are within 5 miles of home.

It is so tragic and so sad.

Why are the dangerous idiots always boys???!? DO BETTER BOY PARENTS. JFC.

GFY

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No bond. Next court date is in two months. this is public info.

Does that mean he stays in jail until the court date?

If the judge denied bond this morning, his lawyer can petition a higher court for a bond hearing. But yes, for now, he's in jail. And if the higher court denies bond, he'll stay in jail.

I wonder if the decision to refuse a breathalyzer and blood test at the scene is at all a factor? That shows a level of non-cooperation the judge could take into consideration. I don't know how judges decide these things though.

Doubtful. A good many DUI suspects refuse the breathalyzer. It's a roll of the dice. Will your BAC be higher or lower by the time a warrant for a blood draw is obtained? A refusal of the breathalyzer in VA means you automatically lose your license right then but that could be a better outcome for many. Also, a lot of times the refusal charge will get dropped when bargaining with the CA (commonwealth attorney).

How does an 18 year old know that he should refuse the breathalyzer? Do teens talk about this and advise each other to not take it?

I think it's pretty common knowledge. My dad always taught me that if I ever got in any sort of trouble to tell them my name and say I want to call him and then say nothing else.

Classic. No I have not given my kids this life tip. Are people telling their children this?

It’s common knowledge. In the billion crime podcasts and crime shows like law & order, its now part of the collective conscious.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:There are pathetic parents in North Arlington who, worried about their kids being “unpopular,” will direct them to have these parties at their house. Often, they are in the house when the drinking and debauchery takes place. This is the direct result of that kind of culture. This is a sick place to raise kids.

I grew up in Bethesda in the 90s and it was much worse. Parties every weekend.

In the 80s for Gen X it was more benign neglect when partying occurred but people didn’t welcome it in their homes. No one cared what we were doing but don’t bother them with it either.

Parents were less involved back then but many were totally fine with kids partying in their homes.

It was much more out of control back then. Certainly with drunk driving - all ages.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are pathetic parents in North Arlington who, worried about their kids being “unpopular,” will direct them to have these parties at their house. Often, they are in the house when the drinking and debauchery takes place. This is the direct result of that kind of culture. This is a sick place to raise kids.

I grew up in Bethesda in the 90s and it was much worse. Parties every weekend.

In the 80s for Gen X it was more benign neglect when partying occurred but people didn’t welcome it in their homes. No one cared what we were doing but don’t bother them with it either.

Parents were less involved back then but many were totally fine with kids partying in their homes.

It was much more out of control back then. Certainly with drunk driving - all ages.

Umm. Not my parents. They were sharp. They also used to talk about liability of that---and this was 30-40 years ago.

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Anonymous wrote:There are pathetic parents in North Arlington who, worried about their kids being “unpopular,” will direct them to have these parties at their house. Often, they are in the house when the drinking and debauchery takes place. This is the direct result of that kind of culture. This is a sick place to raise kids.

I grew up in Bethesda in the 90s and it was much worse. Parties every weekend.

In the 80s for Gen X it was more benign neglect when partying occurred but people didn’t welcome it in their homes. No one cared what we were doing but don’t bother them with it either.

Parents were less involved back then but many were totally fine with kids partying in their homes.

It was much more out of control back then. Certainly with drunk driving - all ages.

Umm. Not my parents. They were sharp. They also used to talk about liability of that---and this was 30-40 years ago.

Congratulations

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are pathetic parents in North Arlington who, worried about their kids being “unpopular,” will direct them to have these parties at their house. Often, they are in the house when the drinking and debauchery takes place. This is the direct result of that kind of culture. This is a sick place to raise kids.

I grew up in Bethesda in the 90s and it was much worse. Parties every weekend.

In the 80s for Gen X it was more benign neglect when partying occurred but people didn’t welcome it in their homes. No one cared what we were doing but don’t bother them with it either.

Yes, I'm gen x and that's what I mean. Our older siblings could drink at 18 so the parents really didn't think it was that big of a deal. They would just pretend it wasn't happening. Now, my friends with high schooler actively let them drink in their houses and think that "taking their keys" is enough.

You are fairly old if your siblings could drink at 18. The drinking age in VA was raised to 21 in 1985. I'm 44 now and I was 5 years old when the drinking age was raised.

[Anonymous]

Can anyone confirm that there’s a bond hearing tomorrow?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:These kids were 18 and 19. In college. I want to point this out. Some comments are assuming these were high schoolers. The thread started this way.

Much harder to control college kids. Heavy drinking in college has always been a thing and parents can’t do anything about it.

I am not condoning anything. Sad that they don’t drink and drive message is still not getting through.

I think the comment above about the being first time back from college and excited to see friends and act like college kids is right on. I won’t be surprised to hear that this kid didn’t have a pattern of drinking and driving.

I bet he didn't have a pattern, mostly because most college Freshmen (and upperclassmen) don't have cars at school or convenient access. That's what made college drinking 'easier', you didn't often have to worry about a drive home. These kids hadn't figured out how to navigate the two (like adults must).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can anyone confirm that there’s a bond hearing tomorrow?

Yes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are pathetic parents in North Arlington who, worried about their kids being “unpopular,” will direct them to have these parties at their house. Often, they are in the house when the drinking and debauchery takes place. This is the direct result of that kind of culture. This is a sick place to raise kids.

I grew up in Bethesda in the 90s and it was much worse. Parties every weekend.

In the 80s for Gen X it was more benign neglect when partying occurred but people didn’t welcome it in their homes. No one cared what we were doing but don’t bother them with it either.

Yes, I'm gen x and that's what I mean. Our older siblings could drink at 18 so the parents really didn't think it was that big of a deal. They would just pretend it wasn't happening. Now, my friends with high schooler actively let them drink in their houses and think that "taking their keys" is enough.

You are fairly old if your siblings could drink at 18. The drinking age in VA was raised to 21 in 1985. I'm 44 now and I was 5 years old when the drinking age was raised.

Wow. You’re good at maths.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are people talking about wearing a seatbelt as if he was in a state of mind to make a reasoned decision about wearing one or about getting in the car with an impaired driver? Do you understand how drunk kids get? Many HS kids rarely drink beer and only drink hard alcohol (I have no idea what these kids drank and how drunk they actually were). These kids may have been so drunk that they have no memory of getting in the car. That doesn’t excuse their actions, but it’s possible they didn’t even know their own names at that point.

I'm sure that factored into many of the bad decisions made that night, including getting behind the wheel, getting into the car with a drunk driver, not wearing a seatbelt, etc.

Freshmen in college. First time home and first time meeting up with old friends at different colleges. As said upstream, this is the most dangerous time for young men. Being just a mile or two from home, i.e., safe, also factors into poor decision making. Most accidents are within 5 miles of home.

It is so tragic and so sad.

Why are the dangerous idiots always boys???!? DO BETTER BOY PARENTS. JFC.

GFY

Be a parent and not a friend. Know where your kids are and what they are doing. Even home from college. And for God's sake, take the keys and the alcohol. You could save a life, maybe even your own child's.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are people talking about wearing a seatbelt as if he was in a state of mind to make a reasoned decision about wearing one or about getting in the car with an impaired driver? Do you understand how drunk kids get? Many HS kids rarely drink beer and only drink hard alcohol (I have no idea what these kids drank and how drunk they actually were). These kids may have been so drunk that they have no memory of getting in the car. That doesn’t excuse their actions, but it’s possible they didn’t even know their own names at that point.

I'm sure that factored into many of the bad decisions made that night, including getting behind the wheel, getting into the car with a drunk driver, not wearing a seatbelt, etc.

Freshmen in college. First time home and first time meeting up with old friends at different colleges. As said upstream, this is the most dangerous time for young men. Being just a mile or two from home, i.e., safe, also factors into poor decision making. Most accidents are within 5 miles of home.

It is so tragic and so sad.

Why are the dangerous idiots always boys???!? DO BETTER BOY PARENTS. JFC.

GFY

Be a parent and not a friend. Know where your kids are and what they are doing. Even home from college. And for God's sake, take the keys and the alcohol. You could save a life, maybe even your own child's.

+ 1. But she’ll never be a parent. She thinks she’s cool but she’s a loser raising the same, thus this thread.

So many of you fatas$es are too busy to try in any venue of your lives. It’s too hard to be aware, to have open conversations, to use your eyes and your common sense. So now the passenger is somehow as guilty as the driver, and the drunk driver is the true victim because he has to live with the consequences, instead of being lucky and dead.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are pathetic parents in North Arlington who, worried about their kids being “unpopular,” will direct them to have these parties at their house. Often, they are in the house when the drinking and debauchery takes place. This is the direct result of that kind of culture. This is a sick place to raise kids.

I grew up in Bethesda in the 90s and it was much worse. Parties every weekend.

In the 80s for Gen X it was more benign neglect when partying occurred but people didn’t welcome it in their homes. No one cared what we were doing but don’t bother them with it either.

Parents were less involved back then but many were totally fine with kids partying in their homes.

It was much more out of control back then. Certainly with drunk driving - all ages.

Umm. Not my parents. They were sharp. They also used to talk about liability of that---and this was 30-40 years ago.

I agree that 40 years ago parents did t condone. Very few house parties. We went to parks or bars. Drinking age was 18 and then 19.


Congratulations

[Anonymous]

oh God, that obituary is heartbreaking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are pathetic parents in North Arlington who, worried about their kids being “unpopular,” will direct them to have these parties at their house. Often, they are in the house when the drinking and debauchery takes place. This is the direct result of that kind of culture. This is a sick place to raise kids.

I grew up in Bethesda in the 90s and it was much worse. Parties every weekend.

In the 80s for Gen X it was more benign neglect when partying occurred but people didn’t welcome it in their homes. No one cared what we were doing but don’t bother them with it either.

Yes, I'm gen x and that's what I mean. Our older siblings could drink at 18 so the parents really didn't think it was that big of a deal. They would just pretend it wasn't happening. Now, my friends with high schooler actively let them drink in their houses and think that "taking their keys" is enough.

You are fairly old if your siblings could drink at 18. The drinking age in VA was raised to 21 in 1985. I'm 44 now and I was 5 years old when the drinking age was raised.

Gen X is 1965 to 1980. We were talking about Gen X. You are barely Gen X.