APS Yondr Pouch: Opening at home questions

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Anonymous wrote:Are the Wakefield kids getting phones at lunch?

There is a designated room they can go to during lunch to unlock their phone and check in with parents, employers, whatever. Limited time - not their whole lunch hanging out in the unlocked phone room. They stay in that designated area, relock their phone and leave.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised more parents aren't concerned about the loss of instructional time due to the pouches. Do parents not know that the kids need to leave class early to go unlock the pouches? Do they not care?

Are you kidding? It’s way less lost instructional time than has been lost on policing phone use. And way less than EVERY period having the phone hanging bag rigmarole.

How much instructional time do you think was lost due to policing phones?

And then tell me how you know this. For sure.

DP. Volunteering in school. First hand year-long observation across classes and grades.

Volunteering in school? Sure, Jan, we have all volunteered in school. What grade? What school?

And you still haven't answered the question about how much time you actually think was lost.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised more parents aren't concerned about the loss of instructional time due to the pouches. Do parents not know that the kids need to leave class early to go unlock the pouches? Do they not care?

Are you kidding? It’s way less lost instructional time than has been lost on policing phone use. And way less than EVERY period having the phone hanging bag rigmarole.

How much instructional time do you think was lost due to policing phones?

And then tell me how you know this. For sure.

You guys lost, get over it. The vast majority of parents don't want phone use in school at all. Kids with parents like you are the reason they're in a locked pouch.

I asked a question about how much instructional time you think was lost due to phones pre pouches. Very telling that you have no answer!

Because it was too much to measure. Nobody was sitting in every classroom with a stopwatch to track. Disruptions in the middle of class have longer effects with the back and forth in focus and having to reiterate/re-start instructions etc. as opposed to a few minutes (or none because phones are already pouched away) to ensure phones are gathered in a shoe organizer. Don't be so purposefully dense.

i don't think you understood the question. we're comparing the time lost before pouches to the time lost to the pouch program. keep up!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Are the Wakefield kids getting phones at lunch?

There is a designated room they can go to during lunch to unlock their phone and check in with parents, employers, whatever. Limited time - not their whole lunch hanging out in the unlocked phone room. They stay in that designated area, relock their phone and leave.

That seems reasonable

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Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised more parents aren't concerned about the loss of instructional time due to the pouches. Do parents not know that the kids need to leave class early to go unlock the pouches? Do they not care?

Are you kidding? It’s way less lost instructional time than has been lost on policing phone use. And way less than EVERY period having the phone hanging bag rigmarole.

How much instructional time do you think was lost due to policing phones?

And then tell me how you know this. For sure.

You guys lost, get over it. The vast majority of parents don't want phone use in school at all. Kids with parents like you are the reason they're in a locked pouch.

I asked a question about how much instructional time you think was lost due to phones pre pouches. Very telling that you have no answer!

Because it was too much to measure. Nobody was sitting in every classroom with a stopwatch to track. Disruptions in the middle of class have longer effects with the back and forth in focus and having to reiterate/re-start instructions etc. as opposed to a few minutes (or none because phones are already pouched away) to ensure phones are gathered in a shoe organizer. Don't be so purposefully dense.

i don't think you understood the question. we're comparing the time lost before pouches to the time lost to the pouch program. keep up!

They gave a very thoughtful answer to your question, and explained how even if similar amounts of time may be lost between two tasks, it’s less impactful on actual instruction.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised more parents aren't concerned about the loss of instructional time due to the pouches. Do parents not know that the kids need to leave class early to go unlock the pouches? Do they not care?

Are you kidding? It’s way less lost instructional time than has been lost on policing phone use. And way less than EVERY period having the phone hanging bag rigmarole.

How much instructional time do you think was lost due to policing phones?

And then tell me how you know this. For sure.

You guys lost, get over it. The vast majority of parents don't want phone use in school at all. Kids with parents like you are the reason they're in a locked pouch.

I asked a question about how much instructional time you think was lost due to phones pre pouches. Very telling that you have no answer!

Because it was too much to measure. Nobody was sitting in every classroom with a stopwatch to track. Disruptions in the middle of class have longer effects with the back and forth in focus and having to reiterate/re-start instructions etc. as opposed to a few minutes (or none because phones are already pouched away) to ensure phones are gathered in a shoe organizer. Don't be so purposefully dense.

i don't think you understood the question. we're comparing the time lost before pouches to the time lost to the pouch program. keep up!

They gave a very thoughtful answer to your question, and explained how even if similar amounts of time may be lost between two tasks, it’s less impactful on actual instruction.

so now it's A-ok with you to lose class time to lock phones in pouches? even though the stated reason for the pouches was.. wait for it...lost class time????

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Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised more parents aren't concerned about the loss of instructional time due to the pouches. Do parents not know that the kids need to leave class early to go unlock the pouches? Do they not care?

Are you kidding? It’s way less lost instructional time than has been lost on policing phone use. And way less than EVERY period having the phone hanging bag rigmarole.

How much instructional time do you think was lost due to policing phones?

And then tell me how you know this. For sure.

You guys lost, get over it. The vast majority of parents don't want phone use in school at all. Kids with parents like you are the reason they're in a locked pouch.

I asked a question about how much instructional time you think was lost due to phones pre pouches. Very telling that you have no answer!

Because it was too much to measure. Nobody was sitting in every classroom with a stopwatch to track. Disruptions in the middle of class have longer effects with the back and forth in focus and having to reiterate/re-start instructions etc. as opposed to a few minutes (or none because phones are already pouched away) to ensure phones are gathered in a shoe organizer. Don't be so purposefully dense.

i don't think you understood the question. we're comparing the time lost before pouches to the time lost to the pouch program. keep up!

They gave a very thoughtful answer to your question, and explained how even if similar amounts of time may be lost between two tasks, it’s less impactful on actual instruction.

so now it's A-ok with you to lose class time to lock phones in pouches? even though the stated reason for the pouches was.. wait for it...lost class time????

If you care so much about lost instructional time, there are so many other disruptive things you can name than a few minutes lost each day that are probably good in a roundabout way for getting kids mentally ready to learn anyway. The kids that come late to class, should the teachers not let them in if they started a lesson since your kid is so keen on learning for every minute of class time? How abut the anti-social crazy kids who oftentimes occupy both too much time and space in the classroom? What about the sped kids who slow down the pace of classes? How about all the useless days including the first week of school and after SOLs? Maybe the kids should stay in the same room all day so that they can minimize time lost walking as well. You are ridiculous.

If your kids actually need that 5 minutes of "lost" time because they can't keep up in the dumbed-down APS classes, the lack of phone access is the last of your worries. And oh by the way, the VDOE rule is to lock the phone in the pouch before school begins, and unlock the phone after school ends. Bell to bell. No instructional time lost. Now please start asking about the shoe hanger that you think will save time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Are the Wakefield kids getting phones at lunch?

There is a designated room they can go to during lunch to unlock their phone and check in with parents, employers, whatever. Limited time - not their whole lunch hanging out in the unlocked phone room. They stay in that designated area, relock their phone and leave.

Not according to my WHS student. Phones for lunch, whole time. No supervision to relock. Teachers not enforcing. Kids put burner phones in pouches.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised more parents aren't concerned about the loss of instructional time due to the pouches. Do parents not know that the kids need to leave class early to go unlock the pouches? Do they not care?

Are you kidding? It’s way less lost instructional time than has been lost on policing phone use. And way less than EVERY period having the phone hanging bag rigmarole.

How much instructional time do you think was lost due to policing phones?

And then tell me how you know this. For sure.

You guys lost, get over it. The vast majority of parents don't want phone use in school at all. Kids with parents like you are the reason they're in a locked pouch.

Actually I think everyone lost. This is an expensive failure. The Yonder company won though!

+1

Yondr is the big winner here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised more parents aren't concerned about the loss of instructional time due to the pouches. Do parents not know that the kids need to leave class early to go unlock the pouches? Do they not care?

They're not leaving class early.

Our school explicitly said they are leaving early to make time for unlocking.

[Anonymous]

Fun story: at back to school night at one of the non-Yondr APS schools, a teacher had a big orange crate at the front of the class with a sign "CELL PHONES HERE," his $5 solution to kids paying attention in his class and a policy he has had in place for years. One of the parents asked whether a Yondr pouch would be a better solution than the orange crate. He hedged a little, presumably not wanting to call our local school systems idiots. But then he gave his answer: the orange crate does the job and has for years. If it ain't broke.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised more parents aren't concerned about the loss of instructional time due to the pouches. Do parents not know that the kids need to leave class early to go unlock the pouches? Do they not care?

Are you kidding? It’s way less lost instructional time than has been lost on policing phone use. And way less than EVERY period having the phone hanging bag rigmarole.

How much instructional time do you think was lost due to policing phones?

And then tell me how you know this. For sure.

You guys lost, get over it. The vast majority of parents don't want phone use in school at all. Kids with parents like you are the reason they're in a locked pouch.

I asked a question about how much instructional time you think was lost due to phones pre pouches. Very telling that you have no answer!

Because it was too much to measure. Nobody was sitting in every classroom with a stopwatch to track. Disruptions in the middle of class have longer effects with the back and forth in focus and having to reiterate/re-start instructions etc. as opposed to a few minutes (or none because phones are already pouched away) to ensure phones are gathered in a shoe organizer. Don't be so purposefully dense.

i don't think you understood the question. we're comparing the time lost before pouches to the time lost to the pouch program. keep up!

They gave a very thoughtful answer to your question, and explained how even if similar amounts of time may be lost between two tasks, it’s less impactful on actual instruction.

so now it's A-ok with you to lose class time to lock phones in pouches? even though the stated reason for the pouches was.. wait for it...lost class time????

If you care so much about lost instructional time, there are so many other disruptive things you can name than a few minutes lost each day that are probably good in a roundabout way for getting kids mentally ready to learn anyway. The kids that come late to class, should the teachers not let them in if they started a lesson since your kid is so keen on learning for every minute of class time? How abut the anti-social crazy kids who oftentimes occupy both too much time and space in the classroom? What about the sped kids who slow down the pace of classes? How about all the useless days including the first week of school and after SOLs? Maybe the kids should stay in the same room all day so that they can minimize time lost walking as well. You are ridiculous.

If your kids actually need that 5 minutes of "lost" time because they can't keep up in the dumbed-down APS classes, the lack of phone access is the last of your worries. And oh by the way, the VDOE rule is to lock the phone in the pouch before school begins, and unlock the phone after school ends. Bell to bell. No instructional time lost. Now please start asking about the shoe hanger that you think will save time.

Except that instructional time IS BEING LOST because of the stupid pouches. and now it's hilarious to see the people who crowed for it because of instructional time defending the loss of instructional time. Just like you tried to do here. So you clearly don't care about instructional time. Screens just trigger you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised more parents aren't concerned about the loss of instructional time due to the pouches. Do parents not know that the kids need to leave class early to go unlock the pouches? Do they not care?

They're not leaving class early.

Our school explicitly said they are leaving early to make time for unlocking.

Correct. Same here.

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Anonymous wrote:Are the Wakefield kids getting phones at lunch?

There is a designated room they can go to during lunch to unlock their phone and check in with parents, employers, whatever. Limited time - not their whole lunch hanging out in the unlocked phone room. They stay in that designated area, relock their phone and leave.

Not according to my WHS student. Phones for lunch, whole time. No supervision to relock. Teachers not enforcing. Kids put burner phones in pouches.

How did they all open them?

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Anonymous wrote:Are the Wakefield kids getting phones at lunch?

There is a designated room they can go to during lunch to unlock their phone and check in with parents, employers, whatever. Limited time - not their whole lunch hanging out in the unlocked phone room. They stay in that designated area, relock their phone and leave.

Not according to my WHS student. Phones for lunch, whole time. No supervision to relock. Teachers not enforcing. Kids put burner phones in pouches.

How did they all open them?

Wakefield is two days in. That's it. As far as I know, there is no designated room to unlock phones (that would require staff in addition to staff unlocking phones for kids actually exiting the building). There are no phones at lunch, according to my WHS student. Also, that would be a near impossibility in terms of unlocking pouches before lunch and locking them again afterwards.