APS Yondr Pouch: Opening at home questions

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Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised more parents aren't concerned about the loss of instructional time due to the pouches. Do parents not know that the kids need to leave class early to go unlock the pouches? Do they not care?

Are you kidding? It’s way less lost instructional time than has been lost on policing phone use. And way less than EVERY period having the phone hanging bag rigmarole.

How much instructional time do you think was lost due to policing phones?

And then tell me how you know this. For sure.

You guys lost, get over it. The vast majority of parents don't want phone use in school at all. Kids with parents like you are the reason they're in a locked pouch.

I asked a question about how much instructional time you think was lost due to phones pre pouches. Very telling that you have no answer!

Because it was too much to measure. Nobody was sitting in every classroom with a stopwatch to track. Disruptions in the middle of class have longer effects with the back and forth in focus and having to reiterate/re-start instructions etc. as opposed to a few minutes (or none because phones are already pouched away) to ensure phones are gathered in a shoe organizer. Don't be so purposefully dense.

i don't think you understood the question. we're comparing the time lost before pouches to the time lost to the pouch program. keep up!

I understood it fine. Again, nobody ever sat in the classrooms with a timer. How do you expect an exact answer? You're really not interested in an answer, just trying to bolster your "argument" by intentionally posing questions that don't have specific answers. I stand by my response. You can stand by your idiocy.

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Anonymous wrote:Are the Wakefield kids getting phones at lunch?

There is a designated room they can go to during lunch to unlock their phone and check in with parents, employers, whatever. Limited time - not their whole lunch hanging out in the unlocked phone room. They stay in that designated area, relock their phone and leave.

That seems reasonable

Yes, it does. And it should alleviate MOST parents' issues which seem primarily concerned about their kid not being able to communicate during the day. The remaining parents working themselves (and their kids) into a tizzy will never be assured.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised more parents aren't concerned about the loss of instructional time due to the pouches. Do parents not know that the kids need to leave class early to go unlock the pouches? Do they not care?

Are you kidding? It’s way less lost instructional time than has been lost on policing phone use. And way less than EVERY period having the phone hanging bag rigmarole.

How much instructional time do you think was lost due to policing phones?

And then tell me how you know this. For sure.

You guys lost, get over it. The vast majority of parents don't want phone use in school at all. Kids with parents like you are the reason they're in a locked pouch.

I asked a question about how much instructional time you think was lost due to phones pre pouches. Very telling that you have no answer!

Because it was too much to measure. Nobody was sitting in every classroom with a stopwatch to track. Disruptions in the middle of class have longer effects with the back and forth in focus and having to reiterate/re-start instructions etc. as opposed to a few minutes (or none because phones are already pouched away) to ensure phones are gathered in a shoe organizer. Don't be so purposefully dense.

i don't think you understood the question. we're comparing the time lost before pouches to the time lost to the pouch program. keep up!

They gave a very thoughtful answer to your question, and explained how even if similar amounts of time may be lost between two tasks, it’s less impactful on actual instruction.

Thank you!

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Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised more parents aren't concerned about the loss of instructional time due to the pouches. Do parents not know that the kids need to leave class early to go unlock the pouches? Do they not care?

Are you kidding? It’s way less lost instructional time than has been lost on policing phone use. And way less than EVERY period having the phone hanging bag rigmarole.

How much instructional time do you think was lost due to policing phones?

And then tell me how you know this. For sure.

You guys lost, get over it. The vast majority of parents don't want phone use in school at all. Kids with parents like you are the reason they're in a locked pouch.

I asked a question about how much instructional time you think was lost due to phones pre pouches. Very telling that you have no answer!

Because it was too much to measure. Nobody was sitting in every classroom with a stopwatch to track. Disruptions in the middle of class have longer effects with the back and forth in focus and having to reiterate/re-start instructions etc. as opposed to a few minutes (or none because phones are already pouched away) to ensure phones are gathered in a shoe organizer. Don't be so purposefully dense.

i don't think you understood the question. we're comparing the time lost before pouches to the time lost to the pouch program. keep up!

They gave a very thoughtful answer to your question, and explained how even if similar amounts of time may be lost between two tasks, it’s less impactful on actual instruction.

so now it's A-ok with you to lose class time to lock phones in pouches? even though the stated reason for the pouches was.. wait for it...lost class time????

Yes.
(And you're intentionally obnoxiously obtuse - still, locking phones in pouches during arrival before school even begins takes ZERO class time, versus time taken gathering them into shoe organizers 4x/day. Unlocking them is currently taking what? 10 minutes away from one class period -- until the system is up and running smoothly and they can adjust? And even if they want to keep the silly staggered dismissal routine, they could adjust the other 3 periods of the day by "x" minutes accordingly so the last period isn't losing the full ten. If the distractions are eliminated and the disruptions reduced, they can end every period 10 minutes as far as I'm concerned. teaching and learning will still be much more effective.)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Are the Wakefield kids getting phones at lunch?

There is a designated room they can go to during lunch to unlock their phone and check in with parents, employers, whatever. Limited time - not their whole lunch hanging out in the unlocked phone room. They stay in that designated area, relock their phone and leave.

That seems reasonable

Yes, it does. And it should alleviate MOST parents' issues which seem primarily concerned about their kid not being able to communicate during the day. The remaining parents working themselves (and their kids) into a tizzy will never be assured.

I would have thought that most parents on DCUM would have figured out that they can email their kids on their school provided devices.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised more parents aren't concerned about the loss of instructional time due to the pouches. Do parents not know that the kids need to leave class early to go unlock the pouches? Do they not care?

Are you kidding? It’s way less lost instructional time than has been lost on policing phone use. And way less than EVERY period having the phone hanging bag rigmarole.

How much instructional time do you think was lost due to policing phones?

And then tell me how you know this. For sure.

You guys lost, get over it. The vast majority of parents don't want phone use in school at all. Kids with parents like you are the reason they're in a locked pouch.

I asked a question about how much instructional time you think was lost due to phones pre pouches. Very telling that you have no answer!

Because it was too much to measure. Nobody was sitting in every classroom with a stopwatch to track. Disruptions in the middle of class have longer effects with the back and forth in focus and having to reiterate/re-start instructions etc. as opposed to a few minutes (or none because phones are already pouched away) to ensure phones are gathered in a shoe organizer. Don't be so purposefully dense.

i don't think you understood the question. we're comparing the time lost before pouches to the time lost to the pouch program. keep up!

They gave a very thoughtful answer to your question, and explained how even if similar amounts of time may be lost between two tasks, it’s less impactful on actual instruction.

so now it's A-ok with you to lose class time to lock phones in pouches? even though the stated reason for the pouches was.. wait for it...lost class time????

If you care so much about lost instructional time, there are so many other disruptive things you can name than a few minutes lost each day that are probably good in a roundabout way for getting kids mentally ready to learn anyway. The kids that come late to class, should the teachers not let them in if they started a lesson since your kid is so keen on learning for every minute of class time? How abut the anti-social crazy kids who oftentimes occupy both too much time and space in the classroom? What about the sped kids who slow down the pace of classes? How about all the useless days including the first week of school and after SOLs? Maybe the kids should stay in the same room all day so that they can minimize time lost walking as well. You are ridiculous.

If your kids actually need that 5 minutes of "lost" time because they can't keep up in the dumbed-down APS classes, the lack of phone access is the last of your worries. And oh by the way, the VDOE rule is to lock the phone in the pouch before school begins, and unlock the phone after school ends. Bell to bell. No instructional time lost. Now please start asking about the shoe hanger that you think will save time.

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Don't forget about all the "bathroom breaks" multiple students need each class period. Not just one interruption per kid who does this, but two -- once to leave the room, and again coming back into the room. No instructional disruptions there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are the Wakefield kids getting phones at lunch?

There is a designated room they can go to during lunch to unlock their phone and check in with parents, employers, whatever. Limited time - not their whole lunch hanging out in the unlocked phone room. They stay in that designated area, relock their phone and leave.

Not according to my WHS student. Phones for lunch, whole time. No supervision to relock. Teachers not enforcing. Kids put burner phones in pouches.

Love how this one student is so knowledgeable about what is going on with so many other students' shenanigans and teachers generally - not just theirs -- enforcement, but is unaware of the lunch policy. Perhaps they have not implemented that, yet? Perhaps your student is just unaware, or just doesn't know where to go? I don't care if students put a fake phone in the pouch, if it keeps them off their real phone and it away, objective achieved.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised more parents aren't concerned about the loss of instructional time due to the pouches. Do parents not know that the kids need to leave class early to go unlock the pouches? Do they not care?

They're not leaving class early.

Our school explicitly said they are leaving early to make time for unlocking.

At WHS, that is a temporary procedure until everyone is more familiar with the process.
Unfortunately, the principal's message about staggering dismissal indicates he likes that and may retain that anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:Fun story: at back to school night at one of the non-Yondr APS schools, a teacher had a big orange crate at the front of the class with a sign "CELL PHONES HERE," his $5 solution to kids paying attention in his class and a policy he has had in place for years. One of the parents asked whether a Yondr pouch would be a better solution than the orange crate. He hedged a little, presumably not wanting to call our local school systems idiots. But then he gave his answer: the orange crate does the job and has for years. If it ain't broke.

Great. It works for him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are the Wakefield kids getting phones at lunch?

There is a designated room they can go to during lunch to unlock their phone and check in with parents, employers, whatever. Limited time - not their whole lunch hanging out in the unlocked phone room. They stay in that designated area, relock their phone and leave.

That seems reasonable

Yes, it does. And it should alleviate MOST parents' issues which seem primarily concerned about their kid not being able to communicate during the day. The remaining parents working themselves (and their kids) into a tizzy will never be assured.

I would have thought that most parents on DCUM would have figured out that they can email their kids on their school provided devices.

They don't want to email them. They want to text them and get an immediate response.

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Anonymous wrote:Fun story: at back to school night at one of the non-Yondr APS schools, a teacher had a big orange crate at the front of the class with a sign "CELL PHONES HERE," his $5 solution to kids paying attention in his class and a policy he has had in place for years. One of the parents asked whether a Yondr pouch would be a better solution than the orange crate. He hedged a little, presumably not wanting to call our local school systems idiots. But then he gave his answer: the orange crate does the job and has for years. If it ain't broke.

too bad APS isn't listening to actual teachers, just the (few loud voices) of anti screen crazy parents!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised more parents aren't concerned about the loss of instructional time due to the pouches. Do parents not know that the kids need to leave class early to go unlock the pouches? Do they not care?

They're not leaving class early.

Our school explicitly said they are leaving early to make time for unlocking.

At WHS, that is a temporary procedure until everyone is more familiar with the process.
Unfortunately, the principal's message about staggering dismissal indicates he likes that and may retain that anyway.

So you are still insisting it's temporary even though the principal said it's probably here to stay? Do you know how crazy this makes you sound?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised more parents aren't concerned about the loss of instructional time due to the pouches. Do parents not know that the kids need to leave class early to go unlock the pouches? Do they not care?

Are you kidding? It’s way less lost instructional time than has been lost on policing phone use. And way less than EVERY period having the phone hanging bag rigmarole.

How much instructional time do you think was lost due to policing phones?

And then tell me how you know this. For sure.

You guys lost, get over it. The vast majority of parents don't want phone use in school at all. Kids with parents like you are the reason they're in a locked pouch.

I asked a question about how much instructional time you think was lost due to phones pre pouches. Very telling that you have no answer!

Because it was too much to measure. Nobody was sitting in every classroom with a stopwatch to track. Disruptions in the middle of class have longer effects with the back and forth in focus and having to reiterate/re-start instructions etc. as opposed to a few minutes (or none because phones are already pouched away) to ensure phones are gathered in a shoe organizer. Don't be so purposefully dense.

i don't think you understood the question. we're comparing the time lost before pouches to the time lost to the pouch program. keep up!

They gave a very thoughtful answer to your question, and explained how even if similar amounts of time may be lost between two tasks, it’s less impactful on actual instruction.

so now it's A-ok with you to lose class time to lock phones in pouches? even though the stated reason for the pouches was.. wait for it...lost class time????

Yes.
(And you're intentionally obnoxiously obtuse - still, locking phones in pouches during arrival before school even begins takes ZERO class time, versus time taken gathering them into shoe organizers 4x/day. Unlocking them is currently taking what? 10 minutes away from one class period -- until the system is up and running smoothly and they can adjust? And even if they want to keep the silly staggered dismissal routine, they could adjust the other 3 periods of the day by "x" minutes accordingly so the last period isn't losing the full ten. If the distractions are eliminated and the disruptions reduced, they can end every period 10 minutes as far as I'm concerned. teaching and learning will still be much more effective.)

You are sadly misinformed or maybe just in denial if you think that locking phones in pouches during arrival took zero class time. I saw the long lines outside school (in the rain!) while students waited to lock their pouches and were late to their first class. I got the email about attendance records needing to be corrected after masses of kids were marked tardy. And then the 10 minutes at the end of the day too.

These are the facts. But you are so sold on the pouches that nothing would change your mind. One has to wonder why you are sooo wed to them. Triggered by screens much?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Fun story: at back to school night at one of the non-Yondr APS schools, a teacher had a big orange crate at the front of the class with a sign "CELL PHONES HERE," his $5 solution to kids paying attention in his class and a policy he has had in place for years. One of the parents asked whether a Yondr pouch would be a better solution than the orange crate. He hedged a little, presumably not wanting to call our local school systems idiots. But then he gave his answer: the orange crate does the job and has for years. If it ain't broke.

too bad APS isn't listening to actual teachers, just the (few loud voices) of anti screen crazy parents!!!

The crate (or other ways of teachers collecting phones) does the job *in class*. But it is not going to prevent cyberbullying between classes or during lunch. As things line yonder pouches become more widely used, I think the districts that don't use a bell-to-bell solution could really open themselves up to more lawsuits if there is cyberbullying during the day.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Fun story: at back to school night at one of the non-Yondr APS schools, a teacher had a big orange crate at the front of the class with a sign "CELL PHONES HERE," his $5 solution to kids paying attention in his class and a policy he has had in place for years. One of the parents asked whether a Yondr pouch would be a better solution than the orange crate. He hedged a little, presumably not wanting to call our local school systems idiots. But then he gave his answer: the orange crate does the job and has for years. If it ain't broke.

too bad APS isn't listening to actual teachers, just the (few loud voices) of anti screen crazy parents!!!

Most teachers support no phones, and he probably doesn’t care either way. He didn’t hedge because he didn’t want to make them look bad, he just doesn’t care as long as screens are away.