SFFA doesn't like the Asian American %

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Anonymous wrote:The universities don’t have the sole mission of admitting the 1000 smartest students every year. That’s not their goal. They cannot say they thought because a lot of your heads would explode.

But they shouldn't be racially discriminating.
Racial discrimination is an impermissible goal.
And that is what they think is still happening despite the supreme court telling them to knock it off.

And frankly rank order admission to college based on academic stats is pretty common in the rest of the world.

America is not the rest of the world. Go to college in those countries if that’s your priority.

I am curious...is there an American Expat/immigrant community over in England/Europe/India that cries like babies about the admissions process in those countries?

Maybe there is...but I doubt it. I imagine those expats/immigrants accept how the system works and figure out how to make the best of it.

The UK looks at grades and test scores, that's it. Asian Brits do better in the UK academically than any other groups, just like here.

pupils from the Chinese ethnic group had the highest Attainment 8 score out of all ethnic groups (66.1), followed by pupils from the Indian ethnic group (61.3)

people from the Chinese ethnic group had the highest entry rate in every year from 2006 to 2022

https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/education-skills-and-training/11-to-16-years-old/gcse-results-attainment-8-for-children-aged-14-to-16-key-stage-4/latest/

As an example:



https://www.ox.ac.uk/about/facts-and-figures/admissions-statistics/undergraduate-students/current/ethnicity

Chinese make up 1% of the UK population but take up 16% of the seats in Oxford.

They don't need to whine about it because the system there is transparent.

My DC got super high stats on their GPA (from a magnet) and SAT scores (1580). My IL is here from the UK and was gobsmacked that a kid with those stats didn't even get an interview or on the waitlist for a T10. In the UK, they said such a student would at least get an interview at the top schools.

DC is a dual citizen and said that they would consider moving to the UK if they have kids because the college admissions process here is crazy.

You are dense and of course missing the point.

Is there a group of American expats/immigrants (not Chinese immigrants) sitting on London Urban Moms or Paris Urban Moms or wherever, complaining about the college system in those countries? Yes or no?

I think the answer is no...but maybe they are. My point is, they adapt to the system. You can do the same.

Even your references make no sense. Oxford has 26,555 students...Cambridge has 21,656. Just those two schools combined are nearly larger than the top 10 US universities combined.

Why are the Chinese even leaving China if they just want to compete in a Chinese system of college admissions?

You're super dense yourself.

People leave their home country for all sorts of reasons. Did your ancestors leave their home country because of college admissions? Hm.. somehow I doubt that.

The PP asked whether immigrants in other countries complain about the college system in the UK and other countries I answered, no, they don't in the UK because the UK doesn't have "holistic" admissions (and neither do most other countries), and their top colleges (like Oxford) admit Asian Brits at a higher rate than the general population because.. get this.. they score higher on exams than other groups, even native white Brits.

They do not believe that the university's demographic should look like the general population. Only simple minded people think that way.

No...I asked if Americans in the UK and other countries complain about those systems. How many times does that need to be spelled out to you?

I doubt they complain. They just adapt.

You can too if you want.

We are adapting. We are suing.
Just in brown v board and loving v virginia
Lawsuits are a pretty american this

And it is really very stupid to say that noone is complaining about racism in oxford admissions where there is no apparent racism in oxford admissions.

Looks like a white man was suing, not an Asian. However, it's funny that suing is your way of adapting.

The answer is you won't find any American that lives in Europe, India or China (BTW, India and China are massively racist) crying about the college system. They will adapt to that system, or guess what, they will attend college in their home country.

You have the same options. Take advantage of them.

What are you talking about? These are Asian AMERICANS applying to college in their own country. In no way comparable to Americans applying to college in another country. You’re just showing your racism by categorizing Asian Americans as not American.

And they mostly all had asian ancestors who moved to the US, just like there are white kids moving to Korea, India, etc. Should they be adapted for?

There arent any white kids moving to Korea, India and whatever “etc” means.

Of course there are.

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Anonymous wrote:The universities don’t have the sole mission of admitting the 1000 smartest students every year. That’s not their goal. They cannot say they thought because a lot of your heads would explode.

But they shouldn't be racially discriminating.
Racial discrimination is an impermissible goal.
And that is what they think is still happening despite the supreme court telling them to knock it off.

And frankly rank order admission to college based on academic stats is pretty common in the rest of the world.

America is not the rest of the world. Go to college in those countries if that’s your priority.

I am curious...is there an American Expat/immigrant community over in England/Europe/India that cries like babies about the admissions process in those countries?

Maybe there is...but I doubt it. I imagine those expats/immigrants accept how the system works and figure out how to make the best of it.

The UK looks at grades and test scores, that's it. Asian Brits do better in the UK academically than any other groups, just like here.

pupils from the Chinese ethnic group had the highest Attainment 8 score out of all ethnic groups (66.1), followed by pupils from the Indian ethnic group (61.3)

people from the Chinese ethnic group had the highest entry rate in every year from 2006 to 2022

https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/education-skills-and-training/11-to-16-years-old/gcse-results-attainment-8-for-children-aged-14-to-16-key-stage-4/latest/

As an example:



https://www.ox.ac.uk/about/facts-and-figures/admissions-statistics/undergraduate-students/current/ethnicity

Chinese make up 1% of the UK population but take up 16% of the seats in Oxford.

They don't need to whine about it because the system there is transparent.

My DC got super high stats on their GPA (from a magnet) and SAT scores (1580). My IL is here from the UK and was gobsmacked that a kid with those stats didn't even get an interview or on the waitlist for a T10. In the UK, they said such a student would at least get an interview at the top schools.

DC is a dual citizen and said that they would consider moving to the UK if they have kids because the college admissions process here is crazy.

You are dense and of course missing the point.

Is there a group of American expats/immigrants (not Chinese immigrants) sitting on London Urban Moms or Paris Urban Moms or wherever, complaining about the college system in those countries? Yes or no?

I think the answer is no...but maybe they are. My point is, they adapt to the system. You can do the same.

Even your references make no sense. Oxford has 26,555 students...Cambridge has 21,656. Just those two schools combined are nearly larger than the top 10 US universities combined.

Why are the Chinese even leaving China if they just want to compete in a Chinese system of college admissions?

You're super dense yourself.

People leave their home country for all sorts of reasons. Did your ancestors leave their home country because of college admissions? Hm.. somehow I doubt that.

The PP asked whether immigrants in other countries complain about the college system in the UK and other countries I answered, no, they don't in the UK because the UK doesn't have "holistic" admissions (and neither do most other countries), and their top colleges (like Oxford) admit Asian Brits at a higher rate than the general population because.. get this.. they score higher on exams than other groups, even native white Brits.

They do not believe that the university's demographic should look like the general population. Only simple minded people think that way.

No...I asked if Americans in the UK and other countries complain about those systems. How many times does that need to be spelled out to you?

I doubt they complain. They just adapt.

You can too if you want.

We are adapting. We are suing.
Just in brown v board and loving v virginia
Lawsuits are a pretty american this

And it is really very stupid to say that noone is complaining about racism in oxford admissions where there is no apparent racism in oxford admissions.

Looks like a white man was suing, not an Asian. However, it's funny that suing is your way of adapting.

The answer is you won't find any American that lives in Europe, India or China (BTW, India and China are massively racist) crying about the college system. They will adapt to that system, or guess what, they will attend college in their home country.

You have the same options. Take advantage of them.

What are you talking about? These are Asian AMERICANS applying to college in their own country. In no way comparable to Americans applying to college in another country. You’re just showing your racism by categorizing Asian Americans as not American.

And they mostly all had asian ancestors who moved to the US, just like there are white kids moving to Korea, India, etc. Should they be adapted for?

There arent any white kids moving to Korea, India and whatever “etc” means.

Of course there are.

No…there really aren’t statistically speaking.

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Anonymous wrote:The universities don’t have the sole mission of admitting the 1000 smartest students every year. That’s not their goal. They cannot say they thought because a lot of your heads would explode.

But they shouldn't be racially discriminating.
Racial discrimination is an impermissible goal.
And that is what they think is still happening despite the supreme court telling them to knock it off.

And frankly rank order admission to college based on academic stats is pretty common in the rest of the world.

America is not the rest of the world. Go to college in those countries if that’s your priority.

I am curious...is there an American Expat/immigrant community over in England/Europe/India that cries like babies about the admissions process in those countries?

Maybe there is...but I doubt it. I imagine those expats/immigrants accept how the system works and figure out how to make the best of it.

The UK looks at grades and test scores, that's it. Asian Brits do better in the UK academically than any other groups, just like here.

pupils from the Chinese ethnic group had the highest Attainment 8 score out of all ethnic groups (66.1), followed by pupils from the Indian ethnic group (61.3)

people from the Chinese ethnic group had the highest entry rate in every year from 2006 to 2022

https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/education-skills-and-training/11-to-16-years-old/gcse-results-attainment-8-for-children-aged-14-to-16-key-stage-4/latest/

As an example:



https://www.ox.ac.uk/about/facts-and-figures/admissions-statistics/undergraduate-students/current/ethnicity

Chinese make up 1% of the UK population but take up 16% of the seats in Oxford.

They don't need to whine about it because the system there is transparent.

My DC got super high stats on their GPA (from a magnet) and SAT scores (1580). My IL is here from the UK and was gobsmacked that a kid with those stats didn't even get an interview or on the waitlist for a T10. In the UK, they said such a student would at least get an interview at the top schools.

DC is a dual citizen and said that they would consider moving to the UK if they have kids because the college admissions process here is crazy.

You are dense and of course missing the point.

Is there a group of American expats/immigrants (not Chinese immigrants) sitting on London Urban Moms or Paris Urban Moms or wherever, complaining about the college system in those countries? Yes or no?

I think the answer is no...but maybe they are. My point is, they adapt to the system. You can do the same.

Even your references make no sense. Oxford has 26,555 students...Cambridge has 21,656. Just those two schools combined are nearly larger than the top 10 US universities combined.

Why are the Chinese even leaving China if they just want to compete in a Chinese system of college admissions?

You're super dense yourself.

People leave their home country for all sorts of reasons. Did your ancestors leave their home country because of college admissions? Hm.. somehow I doubt that.

The PP asked whether immigrants in other countries complain about the college system in the UK and other countries I answered, no, they don't in the UK because the UK doesn't have "holistic" admissions (and neither do most other countries), and their top colleges (like Oxford) admit Asian Brits at a higher rate than the general population because.. get this.. they score higher on exams than other groups, even native white Brits.

They do not believe that the university's demographic should look like the general population. Only simple minded people think that way.

No...I asked if Americans in the UK and other countries complain about those systems. How many times does that need to be spelled out to you?

I doubt they complain. They just adapt.

You can too if you want.

We are adapting. We are suing.
Just in brown v board and loving v virginia
Lawsuits are a pretty american this

And it is really very stupid to say that noone is complaining about racism in oxford admissions where there is no apparent racism in oxford admissions.

Looks like a white man was suing, not an Asian. However, it's funny that suing is your way of adapting.

The answer is you won't find any American that lives in Europe, India or China (BTW, India and China are massively racist) crying about the college system. They will adapt to that system, or guess what, they will attend college in their home country.

You have the same options. Take advantage of them.

What are you talking about? These are Asian AMERICANS applying to college in their own country. In no way comparable to Americans applying to college in another country. You’re just showing your racism by categorizing Asian Americans as not American.

And they mostly all had asian ancestors who moved to the US, just like there are white kids moving to Korea, India, etc. Should they be adapted for?

There arent any white kids moving to Korea, India and whatever “etc” means.

Of course there are.

No…there really aren’t statistically speaking.

I mean... there are. Actually it's very popular among young people, the idea of living in Korea or Japan

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Anonymous wrote:Pull up pictures of students at best college in China, Japan etc. Notice zero diversity.

Same at the best universities in most countries. Nigeria's best college is almost entirely black. india's best colleges are almost entirely indian. France's best colleges are almost entirely white. Etc.

Diversity simply isn't that important for learning.

It is in America. The university population should reflect the country demographics.

And more and more people are moving to countries in Asia, Africa, etc. When will the conversation be about diversification for those nations? Why is it always western/historically european spaces people are clamoring to get access to?

Huh? Nobody is moving to Africa or Asia. China will lose 2/3 of its population by 2100…Japan 40%…who do you think is moving to these places?

Huh? That's exactly why many of those countries are opening up immigration. But again, if you think it's fine for China or Japan to mostly limit its citizenship to the indigenous population, then why are western countries any different? Why cant western countries adjust their schools/citizenship/membership to look a certain way as well? Just curious about the double standard.

I don’t know which side you are arguing. Those countries hate foreigners and aren’t doing anything to open immigration as of yet.

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Anonymous wrote:The universities don’t have the sole mission of admitting the 1000 smartest students every year. That’s not their goal. They cannot say they thought because a lot of your heads would explode.

But they shouldn't be racially discriminating.
Racial discrimination is an impermissible goal.
And that is what they think is still happening despite the supreme court telling them to knock it off.

And frankly rank order admission to college based on academic stats is pretty common in the rest of the world.

America is not the rest of the world. Go to college in those countries if that’s your priority.

I am curious...is there an American Expat/immigrant community over in England/Europe/India that cries like babies about the admissions process in those countries?

Maybe there is...but I doubt it. I imagine those expats/immigrants accept how the system works and figure out how to make the best of it.

The UK looks at grades and test scores, that's it. Asian Brits do better in the UK academically than any other groups, just like here.

pupils from the Chinese ethnic group had the highest Attainment 8 score out of all ethnic groups (66.1), followed by pupils from the Indian ethnic group (61.3)

people from the Chinese ethnic group had the highest entry rate in every year from 2006 to 2022

https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/education-skills-and-training/11-to-16-years-old/gcse-results-attainment-8-for-children-aged-14-to-16-key-stage-4/latest/

As an example:



https://www.ox.ac.uk/about/facts-and-figures/admissions-statistics/undergraduate-students/current/ethnicity

Chinese make up 1% of the UK population but take up 16% of the seats in Oxford.

They don't need to whine about it because the system there is transparent.

My DC got super high stats on their GPA (from a magnet) and SAT scores (1580). My IL is here from the UK and was gobsmacked that a kid with those stats didn't even get an interview or on the waitlist for a T10. In the UK, they said such a student would at least get an interview at the top schools.

DC is a dual citizen and said that they would consider moving to the UK if they have kids because the college admissions process here is crazy.

You are dense and of course missing the point.

Is there a group of American expats/immigrants (not Chinese immigrants) sitting on London Urban Moms or Paris Urban Moms or wherever, complaining about the college system in those countries? Yes or no?

I think the answer is no...but maybe they are. My point is, they adapt to the system. You can do the same.

Even your references make no sense. Oxford has 26,555 students...Cambridge has 21,656. Just those two schools combined are nearly larger than the top 10 US universities combined.

Why are the Chinese even leaving China if they just want to compete in a Chinese system of college admissions?

You're super dense yourself.

People leave their home country for all sorts of reasons. Did your ancestors leave their home country because of college admissions? Hm.. somehow I doubt that.

The PP asked whether immigrants in other countries complain about the college system in the UK and other countries I answered, no, they don't in the UK because the UK doesn't have "holistic" admissions (and neither do most other countries), and their top colleges (like Oxford) admit Asian Brits at a higher rate than the general population because.. get this.. they score higher on exams than other groups, even native white Brits.

They do not believe that the university's demographic should look like the general population. Only simple minded people think that way.

No...I asked if Americans in the UK and other countries complain about those systems. How many times does that need to be spelled out to you?

I doubt they complain. They just adapt.

You can too if you want.

We are adapting. We are suing.
Just in brown v board and loving v virginia
Lawsuits are a pretty american this

And it is really very stupid to say that noone is complaining about racism in oxford admissions where there is no apparent racism in oxford admissions.

Looks like a white man was suing, not an Asian. However, it's funny that suing is your way of adapting.

The answer is you won't find any American that lives in Europe, India or China (BTW, India and China are massively racist) crying about the college system. They will adapt to that system, or guess what, they will attend college in their home country.

You have the same options. Take advantage of them.

What are you talking about? These are Asian AMERICANS applying to college in their own country. In no way comparable to Americans applying to college in another country. You’re just showing your racism by categorizing Asian Americans as not American.

And they mostly all had asian ancestors who moved to the US, just like there are white kids moving to Korea, India, etc. Should they be adapted for?

There arent any white kids moving to Korea, India and whatever “etc” means.

Of course there are.

No…there really aren’t statistically speaking.

I mean... there are. Actually it's very popular among young people, the idea of living in Korea or Japan

You are completely full of shit. Is there one? Sure. Is there a statistically relevant number, no. Like less than 0.5%.

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Anonymous wrote:The universities don’t have the sole mission of admitting the 1000 smartest students every year. That’s not their goal. They cannot say they thought because a lot of your heads would explode.

But they shouldn't be racially discriminating.
Racial discrimination is an impermissible goal.
And that is what they think is still happening despite the supreme court telling them to knock it off.

And frankly rank order admission to college based on academic stats is pretty common in the rest of the world.

America is not the rest of the world. Go to college in those countries if that’s your priority.

I am curious...is there an American Expat/immigrant community over in England/Europe/India that cries like babies about the admissions process in those countries?

Maybe there is...but I doubt it. I imagine those expats/immigrants accept how the system works and figure out how to make the best of it.

The UK looks at grades and test scores, that's it. Asian Brits do better in the UK academically than any other groups, just like here.

pupils from the Chinese ethnic group had the highest Attainment 8 score out of all ethnic groups (66.1), followed by pupils from the Indian ethnic group (61.3)

people from the Chinese ethnic group had the highest entry rate in every year from 2006 to 2022

https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/education-skills-and-training/11-to-16-years-old/gcse-results-attainment-8-for-children-aged-14-to-16-key-stage-4/latest/

As an example:



https://www.ox.ac.uk/about/facts-and-figures/admissions-statistics/undergraduate-students/current/ethnicity

Chinese make up 1% of the UK population but take up 16% of the seats in Oxford.

They don't need to whine about it because the system there is transparent.

My DC got super high stats on their GPA (from a magnet) and SAT scores (1580). My IL is here from the UK and was gobsmacked that a kid with those stats didn't even get an interview or on the waitlist for a T10. In the UK, they said such a student would at least get an interview at the top schools.

DC is a dual citizen and said that they would consider moving to the UK if they have kids because the college admissions process here is crazy.

You are dense and of course missing the point.

Is there a group of American expats/immigrants (not Chinese immigrants) sitting on London Urban Moms or Paris Urban Moms or wherever, complaining about the college system in those countries? Yes or no?

I think the answer is no...but maybe they are. My point is, they adapt to the system. You can do the same.

Even your references make no sense. Oxford has 26,555 students...Cambridge has 21,656. Just those two schools combined are nearly larger than the top 10 US universities combined.

Why are the Chinese even leaving China if they just want to compete in a Chinese system of college admissions?

You're super dense yourself.

People leave their home country for all sorts of reasons. Did your ancestors leave their home country because of college admissions? Hm.. somehow I doubt that.

The PP asked whether immigrants in other countries complain about the college system in the UK and other countries I answered, no, they don't in the UK because the UK doesn't have "holistic" admissions (and neither do most other countries), and their top colleges (like Oxford) admit Asian Brits at a higher rate than the general population because.. get this.. they score higher on exams than other groups, even native white Brits.

They do not believe that the university's demographic should look like the general population. Only simple minded people think that way.

No...I asked if Americans in the UK and other countries complain about those systems. How many times does that need to be spelled out to you?

I doubt they complain. They just adapt.

You can too if you want.

We are adapting. We are suing.
Just in brown v board and loving v virginia
Lawsuits are a pretty american this

And it is really very stupid to say that noone is complaining about racism in oxford admissions where there is no apparent racism in oxford admissions.

Looks like a white man was suing, not an Asian. However, it's funny that suing is your way of adapting.

The answer is you won't find any American that lives in Europe, India or China (BTW, India and China are massively racist) crying about the college system. They will adapt to that system, or guess what, they will attend college in their home country.

You have the same options. Take advantage of them.

What are you talking about? These are Asian AMERICANS applying to college in their own country. In no way comparable to Americans applying to college in another country. You’re just showing your racism by categorizing Asian Americans as not American.

And they mostly all had asian ancestors who moved to the US, just like there are white kids moving to Korea, India, etc. Should they be adapted for?

There arent any white kids moving to Korea, India and whatever “etc” means.

Of course there are.

No…there really aren’t statistically speaking.

I mean... there are. Actually it's very popular among young people, the idea of living in Korea or Japan

You are completely full of shit. Is there one? Sure. Is there a statistically relevant number, no. Like less than 0.5%.

It's a lot less than 0.5%. Are there a handful of young Americans moving to Korea or Japan to teach English for a year or two? Sure, but it's a lot fewer than it was pre-Covid. Most conversational teaching is done online now.

Emigration by Americans intending to settle down in South Korea, China, Japan, India or "whatever" is statistically insignificant.

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Anonymous wrote:The universities don’t have the sole mission of admitting the 1000 smartest students every year. That’s not their goal. They cannot say they thought because a lot of your heads would explode.

But they shouldn't be racially discriminating.
Racial discrimination is an impermissible goal.
And that is what they think is still happening despite the supreme court telling them to knock it off.

And frankly rank order admission to college based on academic stats is pretty common in the rest of the world.

America is not the rest of the world. Go to college in those countries if that’s your priority.

I am curious...is there an American Expat/immigrant community over in England/Europe/India that cries like babies about the admissions process in those countries?

Maybe there is...but I doubt it. I imagine those expats/immigrants accept how the system works and figure out how to make the best of it.

The UK looks at grades and test scores, that's it. Asian Brits do better in the UK academically than any other groups, just like here.

pupils from the Chinese ethnic group had the highest Attainment 8 score out of all ethnic groups (66.1), followed by pupils from the Indian ethnic group (61.3)

people from the Chinese ethnic group had the highest entry rate in every year from 2006 to 2022

https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/education-skills-and-training/11-to-16-years-old/gcse-results-attainment-8-for-children-aged-14-to-16-key-stage-4/latest/

As an example:



https://www.ox.ac.uk/about/facts-and-figures/admissions-statistics/undergraduate-students/current/ethnicity

Chinese make up 1% of the UK population but take up 16% of the seats in Oxford.

They don't need to whine about it because the system there is transparent.

My DC got super high stats on their GPA (from a magnet) and SAT scores (1580). My IL is here from the UK and was gobsmacked that a kid with those stats didn't even get an interview or on the waitlist for a T10. In the UK, they said such a student would at least get an interview at the top schools.

DC is a dual citizen and said that they would consider moving to the UK if they have kids because the college admissions process here is crazy.

You are dense and of course missing the point.

Is there a group of American expats/immigrants (not Chinese immigrants) sitting on London Urban Moms or Paris Urban Moms or wherever, complaining about the college system in those countries? Yes or no?

I think the answer is no...but maybe they are. My point is, they adapt to the system. You can do the same.

Even your references make no sense. Oxford has 26,555 students...Cambridge has 21,656. Just those two schools combined are nearly larger than the top 10 US universities combined.

Why are the Chinese even leaving China if they just want to compete in a Chinese system of college admissions?

You're super dense yourself.

People leave their home country for all sorts of reasons. Did your ancestors leave their home country because of college admissions? Hm.. somehow I doubt that.

The PP asked whether immigrants in other countries complain about the college system in the UK and other countries I answered, no, they don't in the UK because the UK doesn't have "holistic" admissions (and neither do most other countries), and their top colleges (like Oxford) admit Asian Brits at a higher rate than the general population because.. get this.. they score higher on exams than other groups, even native white Brits.

They do not believe that the university's demographic should look like the general population. Only simple minded people think that way.

No...I asked if Americans in the UK and other countries complain about those systems. How many times does that need to be spelled out to you?

I doubt they complain. They just adapt.

You can too if you want.

We are adapting. We are suing.
Just in brown v board and loving v virginia
Lawsuits are a pretty american this

And it is really very stupid to say that noone is complaining about racism in oxford admissions where there is no apparent racism in oxford admissions.

Looks like a white man was suing, not an Asian. However, it's funny that suing is your way of adapting.

The answer is you won't find any American that lives in Europe, India or China (BTW, India and China are massively racist) crying about the college system. They will adapt to that system, or guess what, they will attend college in their home country.

You have the same options. Take advantage of them.

What are you talking about? These are Asian AMERICANS applying to college in their own country. In no way comparable to Americans applying to college in another country. You’re just showing your racism by categorizing Asian Americans as not American.

And they mostly all had asian ancestors who moved to the US, just like there are white kids moving to Korea, India, etc. Should they be adapted for?

There arent any white kids moving to Korea, India and whatever “etc” means.

Of course there are.

No…there really aren’t statistically speaking.

I mean... there are. Actually it's very popular among young people, the idea of living in Korea or Japan

.. for a couple of years teaching English while still childless.

-signed a Korean American who just got back from Korea

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Anonymous wrote:Pull up pictures of students at best college in China, Japan etc. Notice zero diversity.

Same at the best universities in most countries. Nigeria's best college is almost entirely black. india's best colleges are almost entirely indian. France's best colleges are almost entirely white. Etc.

Diversity simply isn't that important for learning.

It is in America. The university population should reflect the country demographics.

Ah.. here you are... the simple minded.

The university cannot ever reflect the country demographics because the percentage of students who apply to college doesn't reflect the country demographics.

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Anonymous wrote:This isn’t about acceptance, just enrollment. Maybe fewer Asians want to attend those schools.

Just 3 of the top 15 colleges and 2 Ivies.

Yeah.....right.

Based on all the statistical models and the self confessed amicus briefs by many of these colleges, we expected to see a 50% drop in URM and a significant increase in asian admissions.
Yale specifically signed onto a brief saying that the end of racial preferences would be devastating to their URM population and there was no possible way to maintain their diversity without race conscious admissions.
So were they lying then or are they lying now?

There are enough academically brilliant URMs to get accepted to Yale an other elite colleges.

This. It’s sad how many dcumers don’t seem to understand this.

Anyone who say discovery from the underlying cases knows how much the schools had to overlook test scores and massage personality ratings to get the class they wanted. They wouldn't have had to do that if this enormous pool of qualified applicants existed

Discovery was from a period when everyone had to submit test scores. This year’s class was admitted test optional. In a test optional world it’s entirely possible that they managed this by adjusting for school and neighborhood context. The next class will be test-mandatory at some of these schools, we will see what happens then.

If that's what they did, they better hope that they were very careful with the wording in all of their internal communications and that no one who designed the system is inclined to cooperate with SFFA because targeting majority black neighborhoods as proxies for black students is just as illegal. Hopefully the plaintiffs push for damages during the next go around

I expect they looked at neighborhood income and the typical education of adults living there, not race, because they’re not idiots.

That would explain why the percent white unexpectedly went up—working-class whites have been living with a socio-economic disability that their whiteness made invisible, and the race-blind focus on neighborhood characteristics changed that.

That's one possibility. The other possibility is shenanigans because a higher percentage of asians live in poverty than whites. https://www.statista.com/statistics/200476/us-poverty-rate-by-ethnic-group/

Right, that’s why I said a boost for working-class kids.

As you point out, Asian Americans are more likely to be poor than white Americans. They are also more likely to be rich than white Americans. Ergo, they are less likely to be middle class. The middle class is disproportionately white. So a race-blind policy that boosts the middle class will automatically decrease Asian enrollment and boost white enrollment.

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“It's not ridiculous at all. SFFA brought the action which was successful. Scotus said stop discriminating based upon race. Colleges and universities sent out letters asserting to alumni that, nevertheless, they remained committed to diversity (but only one kind) and started playing games in the essays. Not smart to thimb your nose at SCOTUS. The numbers of asian students went down! that wasn't supposed to happen. I hope they brong a second suit for clarification. The schools are defying the ruling and putting themselves in charge of race based admissions in America.”

Yes. It is quite ridiculous. SCOTUS is the most corrupt court ever and has no credibility and no ethics. They didn’t ban it for the military. Why is that? They didn’t address legacy admissions-otherwise known as white affirmative action. Why is that? Again, it’s all a lie. Nobody is entitled to go to these schools. Get over yourselves.

They didn't ban it for the military because national security holds a special place in constitutional analysis and the military academies have potentially distinct interests in considering the race of the applicant. Did you read the opinion?

They didn't address legacy admissions but SFFA did argue that they could achieve more diversity by abandoning legacy admissions but there is no constitutional prohibition from favoring legacies, but there is a constitutional prohibition from racial discrimination. Did you rad the opinion?

It's true, nobody is entitled to go to these schools, not even under-represented minorities.
It sounds like you are trying to defend racial discrimination when it suits your purposes.

Just a reminder of the vast gulf in academic ability of different groups:
https://satsuite.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/sat-percentile-ranks-gender-race-ethnicity.pdf

8% of blacks get a 1200 or higher on the SAT
5% of hispanics get above a 1300 on the SAT
7% of whites get above a 1400 on the SAT
9% of asians get above a 1500 on the SAT

1% of blacks get a 1400 or higher on the SAT
2% of hispanics get a 1400 or higher on the SAT
7% of whites get a 1400 or higher on the SAT
23% of asians get a 1400 or higher on the SAT

Study harder and compete. Don't make excuses and complain.
Studies show that these differences are attributable in large part due to extra time studying. We've known this for at least a decade.
https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.1406402111

If you don't want to study until past midnight every night, then don't complain that the ones that do get into better schools than you.

Academic ability as it applies to SATs only! SATs are only one factor.

It is the single most predictive factor and correlates with pretty much every other important factor.

What are the SAT scores of the CEOs of Fortune 100 companies?

Not sure what that has to do with academic ability but give me a name, I'll give you an SAT score range.

Based on what?

Colleges aren’t trying to pump out the best test takers.

You guys act like test scores are just a measure of some highly trainable but otherwise useless niche ability like being good at rubics cube or something. Don't let the princeton review ads fool you, standardized tests don't just test your ability to take standardized tests. They have highly predictive value, there is no real controversy about this among psychologists. There is about as much controversy about this as there is about global warming. The only people who don't believe it are people with an agenda to pursue. In this case racists who want to keep discriminating on the basis of race.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gv_Cr1a6rj4

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“It's not ridiculous at all. SFFA brought the action which was successful. Scotus said stop discriminating based upon race. Colleges and universities sent out letters asserting to alumni that, nevertheless, they remained committed to diversity (but only one kind) and started playing games in the essays. Not smart to thimb your nose at SCOTUS. The numbers of asian students went down! that wasn't supposed to happen. I hope they brong a second suit for clarification. The schools are defying the ruling and putting themselves in charge of race based admissions in America.”

Yes. It is quite ridiculous. SCOTUS is the most corrupt court ever and has no credibility and no ethics. They didn’t ban it for the military. Why is that? They didn’t address legacy admissions-otherwise known as white affirmative action. Why is that? Again, it’s all a lie. Nobody is entitled to go to these schools. Get over yourselves.

They didn't ban it for the military because national security holds a special place in constitutional analysis and the military academies have potentially distinct interests in considering the race of the applicant. Did you read the opinion?

They didn't address legacy admissions but SFFA did argue that they could achieve more diversity by abandoning legacy admissions but there is no constitutional prohibition from favoring legacies, but there is a constitutional prohibition from racial discrimination. Did you rad the opinion?

It's true, nobody is entitled to go to these schools, not even under-represented minorities.
It sounds like you are trying to defend racial discrimination when it suits your purposes.

Just a reminder of the vast gulf in academic ability of different groups:
https://satsuite.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/sat-percentile-ranks-gender-race-ethnicity.pdf

8% of blacks get a 1200 or higher on the SAT
5% of hispanics get above a 1300 on the SAT
7% of whites get above a 1400 on the SAT
9% of asians get above a 1500 on the SAT

1% of blacks get a 1400 or higher on the SAT
2% of hispanics get a 1400 or higher on the SAT
7% of whites get a 1400 or higher on the SAT
23% of asians get a 1400 or higher on the SAT

Study harder and compete. Don't make excuses and complain.
Studies show that these differences are attributable in large part due to extra time studying. We've known this for at least a decade.
https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.1406402111

If you don't want to study until past midnight every night, then don't complain that the ones that do get into better schools than you.

Academic ability as it applies to SATs only! SATs are only one factor.

It is the single most predictive factor and correlates with pretty much every other important factor.

What are the SAT scores of the CEOs of Fortune 100 companies?

Not sure what that has to do with academic ability but give me a name, I'll give you an SAT score range.

Based on what?

Colleges aren’t trying to pump out the best test takers.

You guys act like test scores are just a measure of some highly trainable but otherwise useless niche ability like being good at rubics cube or something. Don't let the princeton review ads fool you, standardized tests don't just test your ability to take standardized tests. They have highly predictive value, there is no real controversy about this among psychologists. There is about as much controversy about this as there is about global warming. The only people who don't believe it are people with an agenda to pursue. In this case racists who want to keep discriminating on the basis of race.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gv_Cr1a6rj4

Strawman. I didn’t say that.

Academic strength is one data point. The point is that it’s not the only attribute that is desirable.

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Anonymous wrote:Pull up pictures of students at best college in China, Japan etc. Notice zero diversity.

Same at the best universities in most countries. Nigeria's best college is almost entirely black. india's best colleges are almost entirely indian. France's best colleges are almost entirely white. Etc.

Diversity simply isn't that important for learning.

Less than 0.5% of India is foreign born. So, does that mean it’s fine if we exclude based on that basis?

You certainly don't have to lower standards to get proportional representation.

Sorbonne is actually fairly diverse. Similar demographics to US schools in terms of black population. Not sure why you would think otherwise.

If so, they are able to achieve that without racial preferences. Just a test score.

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Anonymous wrote:Pull up pictures of students at best college in China, Japan etc. Notice zero diversity.

Same at the best universities in most countries. Nigeria's best college is almost entirely black. india's best colleges are almost entirely indian. France's best colleges are almost entirely white. Etc.

Diversity simply isn't that important for learning.

Less than 0.5% of India is foreign born. So, does that mean it’s fine if we exclude based on that basis?

You certainly don't have to lower standards to get proportional representation.

Sorbonne is actually fairly diverse. Similar demographics to US schools in terms of black population. Not sure why you would think otherwise.

If so, they are able to achieve that without racial preferences. Just a test score.

It’s 55000 students with a 30% acceptance rate. A number of programs require a personal statement.

Your high school transcript is most important, followed by test scores.

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Anonymous wrote:Colleges can look at how race affects someone on an individual level:
“Nothing in this opinion should be construed as prohibiting universities from considering an applicant’s discussion of how race affected his or her life, be it through discrimination, inspiration, or otherwise”
-John Roberts

You should read the rest of that paragraph. It goes on to say you can't use the essays as a way to get around the prohibition against racial discrimination.

Did you read it?

“ A benefit to a student who overcame racial discrimination, for example, must be tied to that student's courage and determination. Or a benefit to a student whose heritage or culture motivated him or her to assume a leadership role or attain a particular goal must be tied to that student's unique ability to contribute to the university. In other words, the student must be treated based on his or her experiences as an individual—not on the basis of race,”


As I said, colleges can look at how race affects someone on an individual level.

I agree, but the suspicion is that they are using the essays to try and figure out people's race.

I was talking about the part that said you can't use essays as way of identifying a student's race to do something that is prohibited.
What cannot be done directly cannot be done indirectly.

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Anonymous wrote:
“It's not ridiculous at all. SFFA brought the action which was successful. Scotus said stop discriminating based upon race. Colleges and universities sent out letters asserting to alumni that, nevertheless, they remained committed to diversity (but only one kind) and started playing games in the essays. Not smart to thimb your nose at SCOTUS. The numbers of asian students went down! that wasn't supposed to happen. I hope they brong a second suit for clarification. The schools are defying the ruling and putting themselves in charge of race based admissions in America.”

Yes. It is quite ridiculous. SCOTUS is the most corrupt court ever and has no credibility and no ethics. They didn’t ban it for the military. Why is that? They didn’t address legacy admissions-otherwise known as white affirmative action. Why is that? Again, it’s all a lie. Nobody is entitled to go to these schools. Get over yourselves.

They didn't ban it for the military because national security holds a special place in constitutional analysis and the military academies have potentially distinct interests in considering the race of the applicant. Did you read the opinion?

They didn't address legacy admissions but SFFA did argue that they could achieve more diversity by abandoning legacy admissions but there is no constitutional prohibition from favoring legacies, but there is a constitutional prohibition from racial discrimination. Did you rad the opinion?

It's true, nobody is entitled to go to these schools, not even under-represented minorities.
It sounds like you are trying to defend racial discrimination when it suits your purposes.

Just a reminder of the vast gulf in academic ability of different groups:
https://satsuite.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/sat-percentile-ranks-gender-race-ethnicity.pdf

8% of blacks get a 1200 or higher on the SAT
5% of hispanics get above a 1300 on the SAT
7% of whites get above a 1400 on the SAT
9% of asians get above a 1500 on the SAT

1% of blacks get a 1400 or higher on the SAT
2% of hispanics get a 1400 or higher on the SAT
7% of whites get a 1400 or higher on the SAT
23% of asians get a 1400 or higher on the SAT

Study harder and compete. Don't make excuses and complain.
Studies show that these differences are attributable in large part due to extra time studying. We've known this for at least a decade.
https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.1406402111

If you don't want to study until past midnight every night, then don't complain that the ones that do get into better schools than you.

Academic ability as it applies to SATs only! SATs are only one factor.

It is the single most predictive factor and correlates with pretty much every other important factor.

Household income and paid test prep drives SAT performance.

It's usually academic ability. Academic ability may be affected by household income and studying.