SFFA doesn't like the Asian American %

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Anonymous wrote:Pull up pictures of students at best college in China, Japan etc. Notice zero diversity.

Same at the best universities in most countries. Nigeria's best college is almost entirely black. india's best colleges are almost entirely indian. France's best colleges are almost entirely white. Etc.

Diversity simply isn't that important for learning.

It probably isn’t as important in homogeneous countries. Here is the US it’s important and many people value it.

The US was a very homogenous country until relatively recently, and could still go back to that. But for some reason that homogeneity was considered a problem whereas it's not in say, Japan.

Simply not true. The US had always had many black people from the very beginning. Not to mention the native Americans who were already here.

There were called minorities for a reason. Obviously this is very true.

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What minority has comprised 10 to 20 percent of Japan's population?

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Anonymous wrote:Pull up pictures of students at best college in China, Japan etc. Notice zero diversity.

Same at the best universities in most countries. Nigeria's best college is almost entirely black. india's best colleges are almost entirely indian. France's best colleges are almost entirely white. Etc.

Diversity simply isn't that important for learning.

In the United States of America, it is - and for the elite colleges that are gateways to upward mobility- it should be.

Asian Americans are part of this diversity. Yes, and URMs too.

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Anonymous wrote:Pull up pictures of students at best college in China, Japan etc. Notice zero diversity.

Same at the best universities in most countries. Nigeria's best college is almost entirely black. india's best colleges are almost entirely indian. France's best colleges are almost entirely white. Etc.

Diversity simply isn't that important for learning.

It is in America. The university population should reflect the country demographics.

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When will that entitled jerk, Blum, just go away. Old, rich white dudes have caused so much damage in our society...

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Anonymous wrote:Pull up pictures of students at best college in China, Japan etc. Notice zero diversity.

Same at the best universities in most countries. Nigeria's best college is almost entirely black. india's best colleges are almost entirely indian. France's best colleges are almost entirely white. Etc.

Diversity simply isn't that important for learning.

It probably isn’t as important in homogeneous countries. Here is the US it’s important and many people value it.

The US was a very homogenous country until relatively recently, and could still go back to that. But for some reason that homogeneity was considered a problem whereas it's not in say, Japan.

Simply not true. The US had always had many black people from the very beginning. Not to mention the native Americans who were already here.

I swear this person is a troll based on the statement in bold. The person has zero understanding of the history of the U.S.

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Anonymous wrote:Pull up pictures of students at best college in China, Japan etc. Notice zero diversity.

Same at the best universities in most countries. Nigeria's best college is almost entirely black. india's best colleges are almost entirely indian. France's best colleges are almost entirely white. Etc.

Diversity simply isn't that important for learning.

It probably isn’t as important in homogeneous countries. Here is the US it’s important and many people value it.

The US was a very homogenous country until relatively recently, and could still go back to that. But for some reason that homogeneity was considered a problem whereas it's not in say, Japan.

Simply not true. The US had always had many black people from the very beginning. Not to mention the native Americans who were already here.

There were called minorities for a reason. Obviously this is very true.

Wait until 2040...

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Anonymous wrote:The universities don’t have the sole mission of admitting the 1000 smartest students every year. That’s not their goal. They cannot say they thought because a lot of your heads would explode.

But they shouldn't be racially discriminating.
Racial discrimination is an impermissible goal.
And that is what they think is still happening despite the supreme court telling them to knock it off.

And frankly rank order admission to college based on academic stats is pretty common in the rest of the world.

America is not the rest of the world. Go to college in those countries if that’s your priority.

I am curious...is there an American Expat/immigrant community over in England/Europe/India that cries like babies about the admissions process in those countries?
Maybe there is...but I doubt it. I imagine those expats/immigrants accept how the system works and figure out how to make the best of it.

There 1000% is. In England a point of contention has been the lack of diversity at Oxford and Cambridge and they’ve changed from absolute standards because of so

Yes, because certain groups perform better academically than others. So, because some groups don't focus as much on academics, universities are having to lower their threshold to achieve diversity. And before you say, "academics isn't everything".. foreign universities see academics as really the only measure of how well a student will do in college. Even studies in the US have shown that SAT scores are a good indicator of how well a student will perform in college, and top colleges are starting to go back to test required because of it.

Perhaps other groups should ask why that is and act accordingly?

This is a nit but I would like to point out that the studies you are talking about only apply to test scores and performance at highly selective colleges.
I know that is what we are talking about here but GPA may a better predictor than SAT scores at non-competitive colleges.
https://opportunityinsights.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/SAT_ACT_on_Grades.pdf

Oh LA Times did a story on this very topic:

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-12-22/grades-vs-sat-scores-which-is-a-better-predictor-of-college-success#:~:text=The%20six%2Dyear%20graduation%20rate,1600%2C%20the%20highest%20score%20possible.

I have passing familiarity with Zach Bleemer's work. The UC system gave him access to their data as a doctoral student. It is not clear why he got access and others that asked for it did not. He has IMHO leveraged that study into a position in the economics department at princeton.

His work is frequently cited as a counter to the mismatch theory. His paper on the effects of banning affirmative action in California showed that the benefits of going to Berkeley and UCLA were significant enough that it provided a small benefit to hispanic students despite their being less academically qualified relative to their peers. It did not have this effect for black students. For black students going to a lower ranked school did not affect their earnings in the period he selected. In the end, we simply have to take his word for it because noone else has access to the data. In fact there was a lawsuit against the UC system and it is suspected that the lawsuit is in part an attempt to get their hands on this data.

His paper is not a particularly robust counter to is match theory but the opponents of mismatch have latched onto it because it's what's available.

Ok well there has been zero evidence offered from the opposing side. I’m pretty sure you only offer The Bell Curve by Murray and Herrnstein, which has been heavily criticized as academically flimsy work.

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Anonymous wrote:Pull up pictures of students at best college in China, Japan etc. Notice zero diversity.

Same at the best universities in most countries. Nigeria's best college is almost entirely black. india's best colleges are almost entirely indian. France's best colleges are almost entirely white. Etc.

Diversity simply isn't that important for learning.

It is in America. The university population should reflect the country demographics.

And more and more people are moving to countries in Asia, Africa, etc. When will the conversation be about diversification for those nations? Why is it always western/historically european spaces people are clamoring to get access to?

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Anonymous wrote:Pull up pictures of students at best college in China, Japan etc. Notice zero diversity.

Same at the best universities in most countries. Nigeria's best college is almost entirely black. india's best colleges are almost entirely indian. France's best colleges are almost entirely white. Etc.

Diversity simply isn't that important for learning.

It probably isn’t as important in homogeneous countries. Here is the US it’s important and many people value it.

The US was a very homogenous country until relatively recently, and could still go back to that. But for some reason that homogeneity was considered a problem whereas it's not in say, Japan.

Simply not true. The US had always had many black people from the very beginning. Not to mention the native Americans who were already here.

Black people made up about 10 percent of the population, and that was largely the only other racial group in the US other than european descent (white). Thats the reality.

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Anonymous wrote:The universities don’t have the sole mission of admitting the 1000 smartest students every year. That’s not their goal. They cannot say they thought because a lot of your heads would explode.

But they shouldn't be racially discriminating.
Racial discrimination is an impermissible goal.
And that is what they think is still happening despite the supreme court telling them to knock it off.

And frankly rank order admission to college based on academic stats is pretty common in the rest of the world.

America is not the rest of the world. Go to college in those countries if that’s your priority.

I am curious...is there an American Expat/immigrant community over in England/Europe/India that cries like babies about the admissions process in those countries?

Maybe there is...but I doubt it. I imagine those expats/immigrants accept how the system works and figure out how to make the best of it.

The UK looks at grades and test scores, that's it. Asian Brits do better in the UK academically than any other groups, just like here.

pupils from the Chinese ethnic group had the highest Attainment 8 score out of all ethnic groups (66.1), followed by pupils from the Indian ethnic group (61.3)

people from the Chinese ethnic group had the highest entry rate in every year from 2006 to 2022

https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/education-skills-and-training/11-to-16-years-old/gcse-results-attainment-8-for-children-aged-14-to-16-key-stage-4/latest/

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https://www.ox.ac.uk/about/facts-and-figures/admissions-statistics/undergraduate-students/current/ethnicity

Chinese make up 1% of the UK population but take up 16% of the seats in Oxford.

They don't need to whine about it because the system there is transparent.

My DC got super high stats on their GPA (from a magnet) and SAT scores (1580). My IL is here from the UK and was gobsmacked that a kid with those stats didn't even get an interview or on the waitlist for a T10. In the UK, they said such a student would at least get an interview at the top schools.

DC is a dual citizen and said that they would consider moving to the UK if they have kids because the college admissions process here is crazy.

You are dense and of course missing the point.

Is there a group of American expats/immigrants (not Chinese immigrants) sitting on London Urban Moms or Paris Urban Moms or wherever, complaining about the college system in those countries? Yes or no?

I think the answer is no...but maybe they are. My point is, they adapt to the system. You can do the same.

Even your references make no sense. Oxford has 26,555 students...Cambridge has 21,656. Just those two schools combined are nearly larger than the top 10 US universities combined.

Why are the Chinese even leaving China if they just want to compete in a Chinese system of college admissions?

You're super dense yourself.

People leave their home country for all sorts of reasons. Did your ancestors leave their home country because of college admissions? Hm.. somehow I doubt that.

The PP asked whether immigrants in other countries complain about the college system in the UK and other countries I answered, no, they don't in the UK because the UK doesn't have "holistic" admissions (and neither do most other countries), and their top colleges (like Oxford) admit Asian Brits at a higher rate than the general population because.. get this.. they score higher on exams than other groups, even native white Brits.

They do not believe that the university's demographic should look like the general population. Only simple minded people think that way.

No...I asked if Americans in the UK and other countries complain about those systems. How many times does that need to be spelled out to you?

I doubt they complain. They just adapt.

You can too if you want.

We are adapting. We are suing.
Just in brown v board and loving v virginia
Lawsuits are a pretty american this

And it is really very stupid to say that noone is complaining about racism in oxford admissions where there is no apparent racism in oxford admissions.

Looks like a white man was suing, not an Asian. However, it's funny that suing is your way of adapting.

The answer is you won't find any American that lives in Europe, India or China (BTW, India and China are massively racist) crying about the college system. They will adapt to that system, or guess what, they will attend college in their home country.

You have the same options. Take advantage of them.

What are you talking about? These are Asian AMERICANS applying to college in their own country. In no way comparable to Americans applying to college in another country. You’re just showing your racism by categorizing Asian Americans as not American.

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Anonymous wrote:The universities don’t have the sole mission of admitting the 1000 smartest students every year. That’s not their goal. They cannot say they thought because a lot of your heads would explode.

But they shouldn't be racially discriminating.
Racial discrimination is an impermissible goal.
And that is what they think is still happening despite the supreme court telling them to knock it off.

And frankly rank order admission to college based on academic stats is pretty common in the rest of the world.

America is not the rest of the world. Go to college in those countries if that’s your priority.

I am curious...is there an American Expat/immigrant community over in England/Europe/India that cries like babies about the admissions process in those countries?

Maybe there is...but I doubt it. I imagine those expats/immigrants accept how the system works and figure out how to make the best of it.

The UK looks at grades and test scores, that's it. Asian Brits do better in the UK academically than any other groups, just like here.

pupils from the Chinese ethnic group had the highest Attainment 8 score out of all ethnic groups (66.1), followed by pupils from the Indian ethnic group (61.3)

people from the Chinese ethnic group had the highest entry rate in every year from 2006 to 2022

https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/education-skills-and-training/11-to-16-years-old/gcse-results-attainment-8-for-children-aged-14-to-16-key-stage-4/latest/

As an example:



https://www.ox.ac.uk/about/facts-and-figures/admissions-statistics/undergraduate-students/current/ethnicity

Chinese make up 1% of the UK population but take up 16% of the seats in Oxford.

They don't need to whine about it because the system there is transparent.

My DC got super high stats on their GPA (from a magnet) and SAT scores (1580). My IL is here from the UK and was gobsmacked that a kid with those stats didn't even get an interview or on the waitlist for a T10. In the UK, they said such a student would at least get an interview at the top schools.

DC is a dual citizen and said that they would consider moving to the UK if they have kids because the college admissions process here is crazy.

You are dense and of course missing the point.

Is there a group of American expats/immigrants (not Chinese immigrants) sitting on London Urban Moms or Paris Urban Moms or wherever, complaining about the college system in those countries? Yes or no?

I think the answer is no...but maybe they are. My point is, they adapt to the system. You can do the same.

Even your references make no sense. Oxford has 26,555 students...Cambridge has 21,656. Just those two schools combined are nearly larger than the top 10 US universities combined.

Why are the Chinese even leaving China if they just want to compete in a Chinese system of college admissions?

You're super dense yourself.

People leave their home country for all sorts of reasons. Did your ancestors leave their home country because of college admissions? Hm.. somehow I doubt that.

The PP asked whether immigrants in other countries complain about the college system in the UK and other countries I answered, no, they don't in the UK because the UK doesn't have "holistic" admissions (and neither do most other countries), and their top colleges (like Oxford) admit Asian Brits at a higher rate than the general population because.. get this.. they score higher on exams than other groups, even native white Brits.

They do not believe that the university's demographic should look like the general population. Only simple minded people think that way.

No...I asked if Americans in the UK and other countries complain about those systems. How many times does that need to be spelled out to you?

I doubt they complain. They just adapt.

You can too if you want.

We are adapting. We are suing.
Just in brown v board and loving v virginia
Lawsuits are a pretty american this

And it is really very stupid to say that noone is complaining about racism in oxford admissions where there is no apparent racism in oxford admissions.

Looks like a white man was suing, not an Asian. However, it's funny that suing is your way of adapting.

The answer is you won't find any American that lives in Europe, India or China (BTW, India and China are massively racist) crying about the college system. They will adapt to that system, or guess what, they will attend college in their home country.

You have the same options. Take advantage of them.

What are you talking about? These are Asian AMERICANS applying to college in their own country. In no way comparable to Americans applying to college in another country. You’re just showing your racism by categorizing Asian Americans as not American.

And they mostly all had asian ancestors who moved to the US, just like there are white kids moving to Korea, India, etc. Should they be adapted for?

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Anonymous wrote:Pull up pictures of students at best college in China, Japan etc. Notice zero diversity.

Same at the best universities in most countries. Nigeria's best college is almost entirely black. india's best colleges are almost entirely indian. France's best colleges are almost entirely white. Etc.

Diversity simply isn't that important for learning.

It is in America. The university population should reflect the country demographics.

And more and more people are moving to countries in Asia, Africa, etc. When will the conversation be about diversification for those nations? Why is it always western/historically european spaces people are clamoring to get access to?

Huh? Nobody is moving to Africa or Asia. China will lose 2/3 of its population by 2100…Japan 40%…who do you think is moving to these places?

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Anonymous wrote:The universities don’t have the sole mission of admitting the 1000 smartest students every year. That’s not their goal. They cannot say they thought because a lot of your heads would explode.

But they shouldn't be racially discriminating.
Racial discrimination is an impermissible goal.
And that is what they think is still happening despite the supreme court telling them to knock it off.

And frankly rank order admission to college based on academic stats is pretty common in the rest of the world.

America is not the rest of the world. Go to college in those countries if that’s your priority.

I am curious...is there an American Expat/immigrant community over in England/Europe/India that cries like babies about the admissions process in those countries?

Maybe there is...but I doubt it. I imagine those expats/immigrants accept how the system works and figure out how to make the best of it.

The UK looks at grades and test scores, that's it. Asian Brits do better in the UK academically than any other groups, just like here.

pupils from the Chinese ethnic group had the highest Attainment 8 score out of all ethnic groups (66.1), followed by pupils from the Indian ethnic group (61.3)

people from the Chinese ethnic group had the highest entry rate in every year from 2006 to 2022

https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/education-skills-and-training/11-to-16-years-old/gcse-results-attainment-8-for-children-aged-14-to-16-key-stage-4/latest/

As an example:



https://www.ox.ac.uk/about/facts-and-figures/admissions-statistics/undergraduate-students/current/ethnicity

Chinese make up 1% of the UK population but take up 16% of the seats in Oxford.

They don't need to whine about it because the system there is transparent.

My DC got super high stats on their GPA (from a magnet) and SAT scores (1580). My IL is here from the UK and was gobsmacked that a kid with those stats didn't even get an interview or on the waitlist for a T10. In the UK, they said such a student would at least get an interview at the top schools.

DC is a dual citizen and said that they would consider moving to the UK if they have kids because the college admissions process here is crazy.

You are dense and of course missing the point.

Is there a group of American expats/immigrants (not Chinese immigrants) sitting on London Urban Moms or Paris Urban Moms or wherever, complaining about the college system in those countries? Yes or no?

I think the answer is no...but maybe they are. My point is, they adapt to the system. You can do the same.

Even your references make no sense. Oxford has 26,555 students...Cambridge has 21,656. Just those two schools combined are nearly larger than the top 10 US universities combined.

Why are the Chinese even leaving China if they just want to compete in a Chinese system of college admissions?

You're super dense yourself.

People leave their home country for all sorts of reasons. Did your ancestors leave their home country because of college admissions? Hm.. somehow I doubt that.

The PP asked whether immigrants in other countries complain about the college system in the UK and other countries I answered, no, they don't in the UK because the UK doesn't have "holistic" admissions (and neither do most other countries), and their top colleges (like Oxford) admit Asian Brits at a higher rate than the general population because.. get this.. they score higher on exams than other groups, even native white Brits.

They do not believe that the university's demographic should look like the general population. Only simple minded people think that way.

No...I asked if Americans in the UK and other countries complain about those systems. How many times does that need to be spelled out to you?

I doubt they complain. They just adapt.

You can too if you want.

We are adapting. We are suing.
Just in brown v board and loving v virginia
Lawsuits are a pretty american this

And it is really very stupid to say that noone is complaining about racism in oxford admissions where there is no apparent racism in oxford admissions.

Looks like a white man was suing, not an Asian. However, it's funny that suing is your way of adapting.

The answer is you won't find any American that lives in Europe, India or China (BTW, India and China are massively racist) crying about the college system. They will adapt to that system, or guess what, they will attend college in their home country.

You have the same options. Take advantage of them.

What are you talking about? These are Asian AMERICANS applying to college in their own country. In no way comparable to Americans applying to college in another country. You’re just showing your racism by categorizing Asian Americans as not American.

And they mostly all had asian ancestors who moved to the US, just like there are white kids moving to Korea, India, etc. Should they be adapted for?

There arent any white kids moving to Korea, India and whatever “etc” means.

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Anonymous wrote:Pull up pictures of students at best college in China, Japan etc. Notice zero diversity.

Same at the best universities in most countries. Nigeria's best college is almost entirely black. india's best colleges are almost entirely indian. France's best colleges are almost entirely white. Etc.

Diversity simply isn't that important for learning.

It is in America. The university population should reflect the country demographics.

And more and more people are moving to countries in Asia, Africa, etc. When will the conversation be about diversification for those nations? Why is it always western/historically european spaces people are clamoring to get access to?

Huh? Nobody is moving to Africa or Asia. China will lose 2/3 of its population by 2100…Japan 40%…who do you think is moving to these places?

Huh? That's exactly why many of those countries are opening up immigration. But again, if you think it's fine for China or Japan to mostly limit its citizenship to the indigenous population, then why are western countries any different? Why cant western countries adjust their schools/citizenship/membership to look a certain way as well? Just curious about the double standard.