Will there be fewer applicants to Harvard, Penn, MIT next year?

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Can I ask a dumb question? I love everyone and I want peace for everyone.

Why is antisemitism a word? Or one that is actively used? All groups face discrimination. I live in NYC and I have seen such a resistance to calling incidents hate crimes, when the victim is of a certain group. A few years ago there was this awful attack on an Asian Jazz pianist, and NYPD wouldn't say it was a hate crime when it was totally obvious why he was targeted.

I'm confused about why society is quick to say - antisemitism! This is awful! But we don't do the same for others.

And this may be part of the basis for why some are shocked by the lack of sympathy. That feeling of- ok, but not only your group matters.

I literally see Facebook posts from Jewish friends that say... No other group is hurt like this! Like, really?

[Anonymous]

In this climate might colleges be inclined ro admit fewer Jewish students?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can I ask a dumb question? I love everyone and I want peace for everyone.

Why is antisemitism a word? Or one that is actively used? All groups face discrimination. I live in NYC and I have seen such a resistance to calling incidents hate crimes, when the victim is of a certain group. A few years ago there was this awful attack on an Asian Jazz pianist, and NYPD wouldn't say it was a hate crime when it was totally obvious why he was targeted.

I'm confused about why society is quick to say - antisemitism! This is awful! But we don't do the same for others.

And this may be part of the basis for why some are shocked by the lack of sympathy. That feeling of- ok, but not only your group matters.

I literally see Facebook posts from Jewish friends that say... No other group is hurt like this! Like, really?

Are you really trying to "All Lives Matter" this?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism

After a few centuries of consistent behavior across multiple culture and continents, humans make up words to describe concepts for use in conversations.

Jews are unusual in how they have been hated across so much of the world, while still surviving and fighting back. Most genocides are more one-sided. Jews also inspired the worlds first and most extensive industrialized and bureaucratrized genocide, where humans' bodies were harvested like Native Americans used every part of the buffalo.

Asian Americans have a less catchy term "Asian hate".
We also have misogyny, misandry. Muslims have Islamophobia. Gays have homophobia. Transgender has transphobia. Chinese have Sinophobia.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In this climate might colleges be inclined ro admit fewer Jewish students?

Not specifically because Jewish (and religion in general) isn't one of the official government diversity check boxes.

Certainly some AO staffers are racist.

[Anonymous]

Nope nothing will change

[Anonymous]

…but wondering if given how inflamed things are right now I kind if wonder if schools might strategically just avoid building or strenghtening the Jewish community in campus at this time…•like just stay away from all of it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In this climate might colleges be inclined ro admit fewer Jewish students?

Of course not

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can I ask a dumb question? I love everyone and I want peace for everyone.

Why is antisemitism a word? Or one that is actively used? All groups face discrimination. I live in NYC and I have seen such a resistance to calling incidents hate crimes, when the victim is of a certain group. A few years ago there was this awful attack on an Asian Jazz pianist, and NYPD wouldn't say it was a hate crime when it was totally obvious why he was targeted.

I'm confused about why society is quick to say - antisemitism! This is awful! But we don't do the same for others.

And this may be part of the basis for why some are shocked by the lack of sympathy. That feeling of- ok, but not only your group matters.

I literally see Facebook posts from Jewish friends that say... No other group is hurt like this! Like, really?

They're deranged and racist. They like to center themselves. This thread is Exhibit A.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes definitely. Not only will there be no Jewish students applying, but many non-Jewish will look elsewhere. The schools are getting blacklisted by quite a few CEOs and others will be hesitant to welcome a graduate into a diverse working atmosphere.

Oh yah, because the universities in the south and midwest are known for fostering diversity and open mindedness. Pleeeaz.

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Anonymous wrote:About 75% of my Jewish friends, and my children Jewish friends are not at all happy with Israel or how sone powerful Jewish Americans are bullying colleges. Most are pro peace. Israel is run by a right wing government right now, and younger people are sick of the right here and there. I know of no one changing there ED or RD choices.

+1. Thank you for a sane reply in a sea of insanity.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe Jewish people have fumbled the bag so much. Any sympathy they had about the attack has been squandered by their reactions to it. Not just the state of Isreal but Jewish American celebrites and donors. No one feels sympathy anymore.

I feel enormous sympathy and judging by the polls, so do the majority of Americans. Loud weirdo progressives are still the minority thankfully.

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Anonymous wrote:I truly believe the Ivy schools were already in decline other than legacy kids who wouldn’t have stood a prayer otherwise. But I do think there are more smart kids today choosing NOT to go to an Ivy and in todays climate will continue to choose a diff path.

They are getting more applications and the stats of those admitted are going up. I'm sure there are other ways to measure "decline" but you should explain.

I can remember actual dumpster fires over the Vietnam War. This kind of crazy stuff is almost normal at Ivy League schools. At least since the sixties.

Eh. The number of applications and stats have been up everywhere,

The testimony by the presidents of Harvard, Penn, and MIT were a real dumpster fire. Smart kids have been moving away from ivy league schools for a while. Impossible to get in without a hook. And then there's a sense you have to walk on egg shells for four years.

Most kids will say no thank you to that environment.

It's not like you can't get a decent education at Michigan, Rice, Northwestern, Duke, Berkeley, CalTech, Vanderbilt, Notre Dame, Georgetown, UCLA, Chicago, and so on and so forth. Bowdoin, Williams, Amherst, West Point, Pomona, Annapolis, Swarthmore.

The Ivy League ain't all that. Except for the Cornell School of Hotel Administration. And I mean that genuinely. Very cool program.

They might lose some Jewish applicants but it won't deter most.

I think that it will.

Principled parents of long shot kids are going to reassess whether they want to send their $100.00 application fee "just to see what happens" to these schools that have created an environment that has allowed antisemitism to flourish without condemnation by the leaders or punishment/expulsion of the students, while all other forms of free speech have been supressed.

Many of those families will choose to spend their precious dollars elsewhere.

The worst was MIT a couple of weeks ago saying quietly that because many of the most virulent antisemite protesters were at the school on student visas, they would not be punished under the student conduct code, because the suspension that their behavior would usually result in would mean they would lose their student visas.

The Penn and Harvard presidents were abhorrent. If MIT has truly taken the approach of protecting these guest students over protecting their American Jewish kids, then they are much worse.

Young people say stupid stuff all the time while trying to figure things out. I think it’s cruel to end their dream and revoke their visa because they made an unfortunate comment. Odds are the American kids (who won the lottery at birth) have never and will never experience even 1% of the struggles students from a third or developing country have.

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Anonymous wrote:About 75% of my Jewish friends, and my children Jewish friends are not at all happy with Israel or how sone powerful Jewish Americans are bullying colleges. Most are pro peace. Israel is run by a right wing government right now, and younger people are sick of the right here and there. I know of no one changing there ED or RD choices.

+1. Thank you for a sane reply in a sea of insanity.

lol “there choices”

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Anonymous wrote:I truly believe the Ivy schools were already in decline other than legacy kids who wouldn’t have stood a prayer otherwise. But I do think there are more smart kids today choosing NOT to go to an Ivy and in todays climate will continue to choose a diff path.

They are getting more applications and the stats of those admitted are going up. I'm sure there are other ways to measure "decline" but you should explain.

I can remember actual dumpster fires over the Vietnam War. This kind of crazy stuff is almost normal at Ivy League schools. At least since the sixties.

Eh. The number of applications and stats have been up everywhere,

The testimony by the presidents of Harvard, Penn, and MIT were a real dumpster fire. Smart kids have been moving away from ivy league schools for a while. Impossible to get in without a hook. And then there's a sense you have to walk on egg shells for four years.

Most kids will say no thank you to that environment.

It's not like you can't get a decent education at Michigan, Rice, Northwestern, Duke, Berkeley, CalTech, Vanderbilt, Notre Dame, Georgetown, UCLA, Chicago, and so on and so forth. Bowdoin, Williams, Amherst, West Point, Pomona, Annapolis, Swarthmore.

The Ivy League ain't all that. Except for the Cornell School of Hotel Administration. And I mean that genuinely. Very cool program.

They might lose some Jewish applicants but it won't deter most.

I think that it will.

Principled parents of long shot kids are going to reassess whether they want to send their $100.00 application fee "just to see what happens" to these schools that have created an environment that has allowed antisemitism to flourish without condemnation by the leaders or punishment/expulsion of the students, while all other forms of free speech have been supressed.

Many of those families will choose to spend their precious dollars elsewhere.

The worst was MIT a couple of weeks ago saying quietly that because many of the most virulent antisemite protesters were at the school on student visas, they would not be punished under the student conduct code, because the suspension that their behavior would usually result in would mean they would lose their student visas.

The Penn and Harvard presidents were abhorrent. If MIT has truly taken the approach of protecting these guest students over protecting their American Jewish kids, then they are much worse.

Young people say stupid stuff all the time while trying to figure things out. I think it’s cruel to end their dream and revoke their visa because they made an unfortunate comment. Odds are the American kids (who won the lottery at birth) have never and will never experience even 1% of the struggles students from a third or developing country have.

did you feel this way about the kids from Covington Catholic? Kyle Kashuv? He’ll, even some of the ramblings of teenage Brett Kavanaugh?
I doubt it

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Anonymous wrote:Who counselled them on how to testify before the hearing? Those folks also screwed up big time.

WilmerHale. There was an article in the NYT about it.