Will there be fewer applicants to Harvard, Penn, MIT next year?

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe Jewish people have fumbled the bag so much. Any sympathy they had about the attack has been squandered by their reactions to it. Not just the state of Isreal but Jewish American celebrites and donors. No one feels sympathy anymore.

I feel enormous sympathy and judging by the polls, so do the majority of Americans. Loud weirdo progressives are still the minority thankfully.

I definitely have sympathy for the Israelis who suffered this atrocious terrorism. But I also have sympathy for the thousands of Palestinian civilians that are being killed and the Muslims in America that have been targeted and killed or paralyzed. My Jewish friends have been posting these ridiculously close minded things. They side entirely with Israel, despite being Americans, and do not care about the attacks on civilians or Americans. They think their kids feel unsafe from words and don’t have any empathy for others. It’s so disappointing.

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Anonymous wrote:I truly believe the Ivy schools were already in decline other than legacy kids who wouldn’t have stood a prayer otherwise. But I do think there are more smart kids today choosing NOT to go to an Ivy and in todays climate will continue to choose a diff path.

They are getting more applications and the stats of those admitted are going up. I'm sure there are other ways to measure "decline" but you should explain.

I can remember actual dumpster fires over the Vietnam War. This kind of crazy stuff is almost normal at Ivy League schools. At least since the sixties.

Eh. The number of applications and stats have been up everywhere,

The testimony by the presidents of Harvard, Penn, and MIT were a real dumpster fire. Smart kids have been moving away from ivy league schools for a while. Impossible to get in without a hook. And then there's a sense you have to walk on egg shells for four years.

Most kids will say no thank you to that environment.

It's not like you can't get a decent education at Michigan, Rice, Northwestern, Duke, Berkeley, CalTech, Vanderbilt, Notre Dame, Georgetown, UCLA, Chicago, and so on and so forth. Bowdoin, Williams, Amherst, West Point, Pomona, Annapolis, Swarthmore.

The Ivy League ain't all that. Except for the Cornell School of Hotel Administration. And I mean that genuinely. Very cool program.

They might lose some Jewish applicants but it won't deter most.

I think that it will.

Principled parents of long shot kids are going to reassess whether they want to send their $100.00 application fee "just to see what happens" to these schools that have created an environment that has allowed antisemitism to flourish without condemnation by the leaders or punishment/expulsion of the students, while all other forms of free speech have been supressed.

Many of those families will choose to spend their precious dollars elsewhere.

The worst was MIT a couple of weeks ago saying quietly that because many of the most virulent antisemite protesters were at the school on student visas, they would not be punished under the student conduct code, because the suspension that their behavior would usually result in would mean they would lose their student visas.

The Penn and Harvard presidents were abhorrent. If MIT has truly taken the approach of protecting these guest students over protecting their American Jewish kids, then they are much worse.

Young people say stupid stuff all the time while trying to figure things out. I think it’s cruel to end their dream and revoke their visa because they made an unfortunate comment. Odds are the American kids (who won the lottery at birth) have never and will never experience even 1% of the struggles students from a third or developing country have.

International students that come to the U.S. to study from a third world or developing countries are some of the wealthiest and most privileged in their countries. I know a guy who used to have his dad’s soldiers give him shoulder rubs and fetch him drinks.

And they didn’t just make comment. They actively blocked Jewish and other students from attending their classes.

The rest of the world is not beholden to the powerful pro-Israel lobby we have here in the US. Their media is not blatantly pro-Israel. They know what Israelis have been doing to the Palestinians for the past 75 years. Who do you think lived on the land that was used to create Israel? You really believe it was an empty wasteland? No, it had human beings living there. People who had been living there for millennia. I don’t care what someone’s religious book says about them being “chosen”. That is ridiculous. Your religion does not give you the right to steal another people’s land and then brutally occupy them for 75 years!

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe Jewish people have fumbled the bag so much. Any sympathy they had about the attack has been squandered by their reactions to it. Not just the state of Isreal but Jewish American celebrites and donors. No one feels sympathy anymore.

I feel enormous sympathy and judging by the polls, so do the majority of Americans. Loud weirdo progressives are still the minority thankfully.

I definitely have sympathy for the Israelis who suffered this atrocious terrorism. But I also have sympathy for the thousands of Palestinian civilians that are being killed and the Muslims in America that have been targeted and killed or paralyzed. My Jewish friends have been posting these ridiculously close minded things. They side entirely with Israel, despite being Americans, and do not care about the attacks on civilians or Americans. They think their kids feel unsafe from words and don’t have any empathy for others. It’s so disappointing.

DC's Jewish friends are amongst the most vocal pro-Palestinian voices on campus. DC says that many of them disagree with their parents, who tend to be more pro-Israel.

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Anonymous wrote:I truly believe the Ivy schools were already in decline other than legacy kids who wouldn’t have stood a prayer otherwise. But I do think there are more smart kids today choosing NOT to go to an Ivy and in todays climate will continue to choose a diff path.

They are getting more applications and the stats of those admitted are going up. I'm sure there are other ways to measure "decline" but you should explain.

I can remember actual dumpster fires over the Vietnam War. This kind of crazy stuff is almost normal at Ivy League schools. At least since the sixties.

Eh. The number of applications and stats have been up everywhere,

The testimony by the presidents of Harvard, Penn, and MIT were a real dumpster fire. Smart kids have been moving away from ivy league schools for a while. Impossible to get in without a hook. And then there's a sense you have to walk on egg shells for four years.

Most kids will say no thank you to that environment.

It's not like you can't get a decent education at Michigan, Rice, Northwestern, Duke, Berkeley, CalTech, Vanderbilt, Notre Dame, Georgetown, UCLA, Chicago, and so on and so forth. Bowdoin, Williams, Amherst, West Point, Pomona, Annapolis, Swarthmore.

The Ivy League ain't all that. Except for the Cornell School of Hotel Administration. And I mean that genuinely. Very cool program.

They might lose some Jewish applicants but it won't deter most.

I think that it will.

Principled parents of long shot kids are going to reassess whether they want to send their $100.00 application fee "just to see what happens" to these schools that have created an environment that has allowed antisemitism to flourish without condemnation by the leaders or punishment/expulsion of the students, while all other forms of free speech have been supressed.

Many of those families will choose to spend their precious dollars elsewhere.

The worst was MIT a couple of weeks ago saying quietly that because many of the most virulent antisemite protesters were at the school on student visas, they would not be punished under the student conduct code, because the suspension that their behavior would usually result in would mean they would lose their student visas.

The Penn and Harvard presidents were abhorrent. If MIT has truly taken the approach of protecting these guest students over protecting their American Jewish kids, then they are much worse.

Young people say stupid stuff all the time while trying to figure things out. I think it’s cruel to end their dream and revoke their visa because they made an unfortunate comment. Odds are the American kids (who won the lottery at birth) have never and will never experience even 1% of the struggles students from a third or developing country have.

International students that come to the U.S. to study from a third world or developing countries are some of the wealthiest and most privileged in their countries. I know a guy who used to have his dad’s soldiers give him shoulder rubs and fetch him drinks.

And they didn’t just make comment. They actively blocked Jewish and other students from attending their classes.

The rest of the world is not beholden to the powerful pro-Israel lobby we have here in the US. Their media is not blatantly pro-Israel. They know what Israelis have been doing to the Palestinians for the past 75 years. Who do you think lived on the land that was used to create Israel? You really believe it was an empty wasteland? No, it had human beings living there. People who had been living there for millennia. I don’t care what someone’s religious book says about them being “chosen”. That is ridiculous. Your religion does not give you the right to steal another people’s land and then brutally occupy them for 75 years!

You mean I can't start a new religion that would give me Grand Cayman? Darn!

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have a link with information on people calling for a genocide ? Was it students protesting?

I’ve read articles and have seen the pictures but only see signs that say stop the genocide of Palestinians and Free Palestine.

I think it’s upset Jewish Americans for Americans to have so much more sympathy for Palestinians. (Except the Jews for Peace org ).

Israel has crossed too many lines with weak excuses. The majority of Palestinian homes have been destroyed . Thousands killed, babies crushed to death and they are trying to push the Palestinians out of their little area not so they won’t have to let them back in. All the Palestinians have left is hate for the people who did this to them.

And Harvard has billions, no one needs to care about their problems.

Of course nobody accused of calling for a genocide (of the Jews, anyway) has actually said anything of the sort. Rather, their words expressing either compassion for the plight of the Palestinians or opposition to the inhumane war crimes of the State of Israel have been put through the Perpetual Victim 9000 distortion translator and surprise, surprise ... what they REALLY meant was anti-semitic, was celebrating Hamas and their 10/7 atrocities, was calling for the annihilation of Jews, was trying to incite attacks against the U.S., etc.

Meanwhile, plenty of people including Stu Seldowitz, the psycho pediatric cardiologist at JHU, and a few rounding errors here in these threads sure seem to be cheering on an actual genocide in progress, but of the Palestinians).

And you're right. It HAS enraged the racist, apartheid-supporting Zionist segment of American and worldwide Jewry who are so accustomed to occupying all the seats at the all-you-can-eat "Guilt Trip" buffet.

This post and the one it in reply to hit the nail on the head.

American Jews are used to seeing unconditional support for Israel and now that it is more balanced they are feeling targeted. As they say “when you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.” I for one welcome the debate.

Israel has forever lost the support of many. I would be very disappointed with students if they did NOT protest the human rights abuses happening in Gaza and the West Bank. People are now dying of starvation. Many of them are forced to sleep outside, even though it is getting cold there. Groups of men are abducted and tortured by the IDF at will. This happened to a Palestinian friend of mine. He was stripped naked, humiliated by IDF soldiers, and told he was "Hamas." He told them he opposed all violence and asked them to provide proof (such as a photograph) of any "involvement" with Hamas. He was then severely beaten and told, "YOU give US the proof." This shows that the IDF is trying to torture confessions out of Palestinian men. Several of his friends and relatives, innocent civilians including many children, have been killed by bombs. He says the worst death is to be buried under the rubble. People don't have fuel for machinery that would dig them out, meaning people die alone in the dark of blood loss, injury, or, eventually, of thirst. Writers are being deliberately targeted and murdered with their families. Thousands of sick and injured people are dying unnecessarily because they can't get basic medical help. Any student -- any person -- worth their salt should speak up.

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Anonymous wrote:I truly believe the Ivy schools were already in decline other than legacy kids who wouldn’t have stood a prayer otherwise. But I do think there are more smart kids today choosing NOT to go to an Ivy and in todays climate will continue to choose a diff path.

They are getting more applications and the stats of those admitted are going up. I'm sure there are other ways to measure "decline" but you should explain.

I can remember actual dumpster fires over the Vietnam War. This kind of crazy stuff is almost normal at Ivy League schools. At least since the sixties.

Eh. The number of applications and stats have been up everywhere,

The testimony by the presidents of Harvard, Penn, and MIT were a real dumpster fire. Smart kids have been moving away from ivy league schools for a while. Impossible to get in without a hook. And then there's a sense you have to walk on egg shells for four years.

Most kids will say no thank you to that environment.

It's not like you can't get a decent education at Michigan, Rice, Northwestern, Duke, Berkeley, CalTech, Vanderbilt, Notre Dame, Georgetown, UCLA, Chicago, and so on and so forth. Bowdoin, Williams, Amherst, West Point, Pomona, Annapolis, Swarthmore.

The Ivy League ain't all that. Except for the Cornell School of Hotel Administration. And I mean that genuinely. Very cool program.

They might lose some Jewish applicants but it won't deter most.

I think that it will.

Principled parents of long shot kids are going to reassess whether they want to send their $100.00 application fee "just to see what happens" to these schools that have created an environment that has allowed antisemitism to flourish without condemnation by the leaders or punishment/expulsion of the students, while all other forms of free speech have been supressed.

Many of those families will choose to spend their precious dollars elsewhere.

The worst was MIT a couple of weeks ago saying quietly that because many of the most virulent antisemite protesters were at the school on student visas, they would not be punished under the student conduct code, because the suspension that their behavior would usually result in would mean they would lose their student visas.

The Penn and Harvard presidents were abhorrent. If MIT has truly taken the approach of protecting these guest students over protecting their American Jewish kids, then they are much worse.

Young people say stupid stuff all the time while trying to figure things out. I think it’s cruel to end their dream and revoke their visa because they made an unfortunate comment. Odds are the American kids (who won the lottery at birth) have never and will never experience even 1% of the struggles students from a third or developing country have.

I suspect most of the international students in question at these schools are the filthy rich 0.1%. Very few if any are the poor underprivileged that you are thinking of.

Likely the majority are 1% ers.

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Given anti semitism being on the rise - applications will increase.

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Harvard apps were down last year, from 62K to 57K I believe. But even if they drop further, so what? Still virtually impossible to get in.

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Anonymous wrote:Will there be fewer applicants to these universities next year because of the failure of their presidents to provide clear responses against anti-semitism in congressional testimony this week? Each president embarrassed herself and her institution, although the Harvard president was particularly noteworthy.

No. People who are attracted to those schools know about their policies and that is why they are applying there. The academics are not that challenging once you are in

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The New York Times' episode of The Daily yesterday (12/13) was about the hearing and was super interesting. Worth a listen.

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No, apps to Harvard, U Penn, & MIT will not decrease next year due to unwise statements that will soon be forgotten.

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Anonymous wrote:The Harvard president will resign. She’s toast and now no one trusts the decision to hire her.

All the ridiculousness of Harvard admissions prior to this but NOW she will resign. The hypocrisy and cancel culture is horrifying.

What a difference 10 days makes. It looked like Claudine Gay might hang on at Harvard but how is that now possible? She’s been exposed as a serial plagiarist, moreover on a comparatively thin published body of scholarly work at that. She even plagiarized verbatim parts of one of her acknowledgements. She’s become a big embarrassment to Harvard. How can the university keep her on as president or even as a tenured faculty member after this? Just a few years ago, the University of South Carolina president had to resign after plagiarizing part of a graduation speech. The Harvard - Gay saga keeps getting worse.

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Anonymous wrote:The Harvard president will resign. She’s toast and now no one trusts the decision to hire her.

All the ridiculousness of Harvard admissions prior to this but NOW she will resign. The hypocrisy and cancel culture is horrifying.

What a difference 10 days makes. It looked like Claudine Gay might hang on at Harvard but how is that now possible? She’s been exposed as a serial plagiarist, moreover on a comparatively thin published body of scholarly work at that. She even plagiarized verbatim parts of one of her acknowledgements. She’s become a big embarrassment to Harvard. How can the university keep her on as president or even as a tenured faculty member after this? Just a few years ago, the University of South Carolina president had to resign after plagiarizing part of a graduation speech. The Harvard - Gay saga keeps getting worse.

I think it’s hilarious. This plagiarizing woke buffoon as the head of the most esteemed university . . . not. The gig is up. No one wants to hire the obnoxious litigious little weevils that come out of these places. This is the beginning of a bigger change.

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Anonymous wrote:The Harvard president will resign. She’s toast and now no one trusts the decision to hire her.

All the ridiculousness of Harvard admissions prior to this but NOW she will resign. The hypocrisy and cancel culture is horrifying.

What a difference 10 days makes. It looked like Claudine Gay might hang on at Harvard but how is that now possible? She’s been exposed as a serial plagiarist, moreover on a comparatively thin published body of scholarly work at that. She even plagiarized verbatim parts of one of her acknowledgements. She’s become a big embarrassment to Harvard. How can the university keep her on as president or even as a tenured faculty member after this? Just a few years ago, the University of South Carolina president had to resign after plagiarizing part of a graduation speech. The Harvard - Gay saga keeps getting worse.

Didn't Stanford's President resign due to plagiarism?