The GOP simply doesn't deserve the vote from anyone who actually believes in the United States, who supports our military, or supports the US as a shining city on the hill.
OP.
Yes, it seems evident to me that one party is functional, but it shouldn’t be that way. GOP voters should have helped their party moderate decades ago. I asked for people to sell why I should give a vote to anyone in the GOP but no one has been able to give even a simple explanation.
It really is amazing, the responses - furious you'd even ask for a reason to consider one of their candidates.
OP. And somehow unable to read my OP. The amount of “both sides”-ing has been atrocious.
Give it arrest. Biden himself could tell you his party could improve itself in such and such manner, and you’d label him MAGA while demanding why you should vote for the GOP. There is no reason for you to vote GOP. You are exhausting.
or... try broadening your tent and giving people who aren't already on your side a reason to vote for you?
it's "a rest" not "arrest," unless you're trump - then it's definitely "give it arrest"
Posters: Hate Trump not voting GOP, but not happy with Dems with they’d run someone younger.
OP: MAGA! TRUMPER! tell me why I should vote for your Trump and GOP. <stomps feet and shakes rattle> Why aren’t you telling me why I should vote GOP!!!! Why won’t you answer my question! Don’t tell me anything about abortion or immigration or whatever. Those don’t count. Those are not valid reasons! You are idiots!!!! Tell me why to vote for your party.
Posters: I’m voting Dem!
OP: OMG!!! Why won’t you tell me why I should vote for your GOP!?! Answer me!!!!
((Crickets))
I am the PP - obv obsessed - and I continue to find it baffling that this is your take on OP's question. Do you not think your party is doing good things? And not just good things for the people already voting R, but for others, too? Why are you seeing OP's question as an attack instead of an opportunity?
I don't really get this idea that you should get so weirdly angry and defensive, and lash out, when asked for reasons why your party is really good, and people should consider voting for them instead of Democrats.
This is your chance to make the case. Maybe OP isn't really going to vote for an R - I'm certainly not, haha effin never - but lots of elections come down to independent voters and persuadable voters. Pretend OP didn't raise your hackles. What is the case to them, for why Rs should be trusted to lead your city, your state, your country? And assume for this exercise that the voter doesn't hate drag queens, probably wants their kid to learn some history, isn't furious with Disney for taking a mealy-mouthed stance in favor of gay employees, etc. In other words, not the culture war stuff that's really just red meat to the people already in your camp - but the other stuff, that you truly believe shows why Rs are the party who deserve to lead?
OP.
Thank you for this. Yes, I think it’s bizarre that Moderates and Independents keep saying that both sides are the same. Republicans obviously fervently love their party and say the Democratic Party is bad. I’ve laid out my policy priorities and not a one of the above has been able to articulate why I should vote for a Republican, and they’re very upset I asked.
What a weird take. But it’s clear you were trolling so no matter.
OP. I’m not trolling. It’s an honest question and one that a few of you are taking very personally. If you thought I was trolling, report me or don’t participate. It’s clear that none of you can sell the GOP.
If you want open borders, you must vote Democrat, not Republican.
OP doesn't care about the border or the economy per her OP. She cares solely about abortion rights, voting rights and combating climate change.
R views on those vary but here's a sample: abortion is a matter for the states, voter ID is integral to fair elections, and nuclear energy should be promoted to avoid over loading the electric grid and the environmental destruction that alternative energy sources entail.
OP won't go for any of that.
Any mentally healthy person would have stopped posting here by now - but I don't think OP is looking for you to describe the R position on abortion in its most palatable terms. I think she's looking for how a R politician could convince her, who disagrees with them on THESE stances, to vote for them anyway. So it probably wouldn't be by insulting Democrats.
It probably wouldn't be by insisting that if you don't vote R, you're a dummy who LOVES open borders. But it could be something about - I don't know - your vision of an economy that favors the middle class (how? i don't know - you tell me!), specifics on how how to effectively address crime, something something education. As far as I can tell, Rs' answers to all these things are ANGRY WORDS plus a whole lot of nothing (at best), plus MOOOR GUNS.
But show us how that isnt the case! Show us what you can offer to a voter like OP - look, I HATE this, but it's what Youngkin did in VA to get himself the election. That plus a super bad opponent, and a weird crazy time in American life. But it shows it's not impossible to reel in a voter like OP, even with a candidate who is going to trash most of the stuff she says she cares most about.
Op by her own admission does not care about any issue except the three she named. She cares nothing about the bolded ones above that you mention.
That is not at all what she said, I don't think. She said those are the issues she cares most about - and, given that, can anyone convince her to vote R?
So you're not going to convince her based on abortion rights. But how can you convince her that you offer an attractive enough package outside of that, that she should consider an R anyway. We're not going to find common ground on abortion, and probably not on voting or the environment - though at one point, not that long ago, there were Rs who were trying to get environmentalism into the GOP. I know that because my spouse worked with a bunch of them on these issues. They had inroads there - part of it was mitigation, some was through insurance, through stopping subsidizing environmentally harmful practices, etc. I don't know if that is still happening, but the point is that it can.
I am not going to make your case for you, Rs - but you clearly need better messengers than a bunch of hot takers on DCUM calling troll the second someone shows some interest, even skeptical interest, in what you have to say.
I think you are OP pretending to be a DP coming to defend OP. If so, you are moving the goal posts.
Above you say "But how can you convince her that you offer an attractive enough package outside of that [the three issues she cares about], that she should consider an R anyway."
That was not what she asked for--pretty explicitly as she said the border and inflation did not bother her "if they were real issues." Here was her request: "Can you make a case for the GOP based on what’s important to me."
I am truly not OP. Just someone who finds this thread really weird and puzzling.
I think you are all being much too literal with OP's OP. And even if she did ask you to present your common ground on abortion, and you think there isn't any - answer the question you want to answer, not the question you've been asked. This is media training 101. Look for your opening with a voter like OP - again, like Youngkin did in Virginia, gd help us all.
If the problem is that you really don't stand for anything, outside of restricting abortion, shouting about open borders, and insisting that any election that doesn't go your way was stolen, I can see why you are struggling.
Genuine question for you, speaking as someone who will not vote Republican, why do you think any true Republicans would even bother answering? OP was obviously trolling and is obviously deeply tied to Democrats. I don’t see why any of them would even bother. Any genuine answer would be immediately challenged, immediately torn apart, immediately dismissed.
I don’t really understand why you and OP think there is anything to even say here. I would not answer a partisan troll either.
OP doesn't seem like a troll - a troll is someone who's making trouble just to make trouble, and who often pretends to be someone other than who they are. I think OP is who she says she is - someone who cares about these things, but who also wants to hear what reasons might be for voting for the party that doesn't seem like the obvious choice. I don't know - it wouldn't be the first time I'm too naive, but she seems like she was asking a sincere question to me.
I guess enough Rs have spilled enough words in this thread - on a website they participate in, for free - that it seems like one of them would have spent at least one post just writing out a few lines about what benefit their might be for a lean D independent, in considering an R.
But I guess not!
PP here. A troll is someone who creates a fake scenario. OP has no intention of ever voting any way other than Democratic; by her own admission she is a lifelong Democrat. Therefore her actions are precisely within the definition of a troll.
OP. There’s nothing fake in my scenario. I have moderate views. I asked Moderates and Independents who think that the two parties are same, and Republicans, to sell me on why I should vote for a Republican. Instead I’ve gotten a lot of very upset Moderates, Independents and Republicans calling me a troll. That’s an answer in itself.
The obvious bias in your OP is why we know you are more of a troll than a sincere poster..... some of that bias.....
"but all I see is the GOP blocking action and actively damaging the country"
"What is the GOP doing to rectify their fascism/authoritarianism? Are they finally going to address all the ways they cheat at elections? Why should I, a proud American, have to wonder if they’re ever going to do the right thing in regards to getting the treason out of their party?"
"If the GOP wants my vote, what are they going to do to ameliorate this? They’re the reason nothing has been done so far, so why should I give them my vote?"
"inflation and immigration but neither of those issues bothers me and if they were real issues"
If you were truly interested in hearing from Republicans and being convinced of their policy positions, you would have begun with a more moderate post and left out the loaded language and opinions that you advance as "facts."
We see you.
Oh, and BTW - inflation and immigration ARE real issues. You may not like that because Biden has f'ed up on both of them. But, they are REAL issues.
Anonymous wrote:The obvious bias in your OP is why we know you are more of a troll than a sincere poster..... some of that bias.....
"but all I see is the GOP blocking action and actively damaging the country"
"What is the GOP doing to rectify their fascism/authoritarianism? Are they finally going to address all the ways they cheat at elections? Why should I, a proud American, have to wonder if they’re ever going to do the right thing in regards to getting the treason out of their party?"
"If the GOP wants my vote, what are they going to do to ameliorate this? They’re the reason nothing has been done so far, so why should I give them my vote?"
"inflation and immigration but neither of those issues bothers me and if they were real issues"
If you were truly interested in hearing from Republicans and being convinced of their policy positions, you would have begun with a more moderate post and left out the loaded language and opinions that you advance as "facts."
We see you.
Oh, and BTW - inflation and immigration ARE real issues. You may not like that because Biden has f'ed up on both of them. But, they are REAL issues.
OP. I’m sorry you feel so defensive about this, but I’m not a troll. You don’t like what I’m saying so you call it “bias,” “trolling” and insincere.
Instead of pretending to get hung up on strong but factual language, make the case for your party. Otherwise you’re just trying to “work the ref” because you have no defense of your party. I didn’t say inflation and immigration aren’t real issues, I said they’re not my priority and to the extent that they’re problems, they are problems due to the GOP not addressing them.
Again, you being unable to articulate an answer is an answer. Thank you for answering.
I am very much able to articulate answers. You, however, will have great difficulty accepting the answers as is evidenced by your OP.
The fact that you consider someone who gives birth to a baby as one who is "punished" by a child is insulting. And, very telling. Many of us are not believers of pro-life stances because of our religion, but because we KNOW that the "clump of cells" forming in the uterus is a human child who has no say in the matter. We are speaking for the child who deserves a chance at life. There will never be a national ban on abortion, but the least we can do is put limits on when a child can be ripped from the uterus. Democrats are unwilling to do this.
The fascism and authoritarianism that you accuse the GOP of are actually features of the Democratic party today. It is the Biden administration that has colluded with social media groups to censor free speech. It is the Biden administration who have mandated experimental vaccines and ensured that many lose their livelihood when they refused. It is the Biden administration who is working to alter the language in Title IX to include people who "identify" as a given to gender to compete against actual biological women. The rest of your drivel under "The American Experiment" is a joke.
Your post regarding "The Environment" is comical considering you don't believe that illegal immigration is a pressing issue. You are clearly oblivious to the damage to our country and the countries south of our border that the surge of migrants to our border has caused. And, to the ranches along our border. You blame the GOP for the problem, yet our government has thrown trillions of dollars at the problem and, according to you, it has only gotten worse. So, what the Democrats want to do is to ban fossil fuels.... which would cause the deaths of millions due to extreme heat or cold.
Republicans are all for protecting our environment. But, we do not believe in throwing the baby out with the bath water due to climate alarmists. Our infrastructure is decades away from supporting many of the things Democrats are pushing to do NOW... We could get into a discussion about how wind farms are causing far more long-term damage to our environment than carbon, but that would take a while.
And, the behavior of those who scream the loudest about becoming carbon neutral tells us that they are not truly serious about their goals. If they were, they wouldn't own multiple homes and wouldn't fly private jets around the world.
Inflation and immigration are huge issues for millions of us. Particularly for the middle and lower class Americans who are most impacted by these issues.
The fact that they are not important to you tells me that you are either wealthy or you are oblivious to the impact of these issues.
To 11:55: You are "both siding" it, a violation of OP's rules, all of which seem designed for her to smugly say, "See you can't defend any positions contrary to mine."
The GOP simply doesn't deserve the vote from anyone who actually believes in the United States, who supports our military, or supports the US as a shining city on the hill.
OP.
Yes, it seems evident to me that one party is functional, but it shouldn’t be that way. GOP voters should have helped their party moderate decades ago. I asked for people to sell why I should give a vote to anyone in the GOP but no one has been able to give even a simple explanation.
It really is amazing, the responses - furious you'd even ask for a reason to consider one of their candidates.
OP. And somehow unable to read my OP. The amount of “both sides”-ing has been atrocious.
Give it arrest. Biden himself could tell you his party could improve itself in such and such manner, and you’d label him MAGA while demanding why you should vote for the GOP. There is no reason for you to vote GOP. You are exhausting.
or... try broadening your tent and giving people who aren't already on your side a reason to vote for you?
it's "a rest" not "arrest," unless you're trump - then it's definitely "give it arrest"
Posters: Hate Trump not voting GOP, but not happy with Dems with they’d run someone younger.
OP: MAGA! TRUMPER! tell me why I should vote for your Trump and GOP. <stomps feet and shakes rattle> Why aren’t you telling me why I should vote GOP!!!! Why won’t you answer my question! Don’t tell me anything about abortion or immigration or whatever. Those don’t count. Those are not valid reasons! You are idiots!!!! Tell me why to vote for your party.
Posters: I’m voting Dem!
OP: OMG!!! Why won’t you tell me why I should vote for your GOP!?! Answer me!!!!
((Crickets))
I am the PP - obv obsessed - and I continue to find it baffling that this is your take on OP's question. Do you not think your party is doing good things? And not just good things for the people already voting R, but for others, too? Why are you seeing OP's question as an attack instead of an opportunity?
I don't really get this idea that you should get so weirdly angry and defensive, and lash out, when asked for reasons why your party is really good, and people should consider voting for them instead of Democrats.
This is your chance to make the case. Maybe OP isn't really going to vote for an R - I'm certainly not, haha effin never - but lots of elections come down to independent voters and persuadable voters. Pretend OP didn't raise your hackles. What is the case to them, for why Rs should be trusted to lead your city, your state, your country? And assume for this exercise that the voter doesn't hate drag queens, probably wants their kid to learn some history, isn't furious with Disney for taking a mealy-mouthed stance in favor of gay employees, etc. In other words, not the culture war stuff that's really just red meat to the people already in your camp - but the other stuff, that you truly believe shows why Rs are the party who deserve to lead?
OP.
Thank you for this. Yes, I think it’s bizarre that Moderates and Independents keep saying that both sides are the same. Republicans obviously fervently love their party and say the Democratic Party is bad. I’ve laid out my policy priorities and not a one of the above has been able to articulate why I should vote for a Republican, and they’re very upset I asked.
What a weird take. But it’s clear you were trolling so no matter.
OP. I’m not trolling. It’s an honest question and one that a few of you are taking very personally. If you thought I was trolling, report me or don’t participate. It’s clear that none of you can sell the GOP.
If you want open borders, you must vote Democrat, not Republican.
OP doesn't care about the border or the economy per her OP. She cares solely about abortion rights, voting rights and combating climate change.
R views on those vary but here's a sample: abortion is a matter for the states, voter ID is integral to fair elections, and nuclear energy should be promoted to avoid over loading the electric grid and the environmental destruction that alternative energy sources entail.
OP won't go for any of that.
Any mentally healthy person would have stopped posting here by now - but I don't think OP is looking for you to describe the R position on abortion in its most palatable terms. I think she's looking for how a R politician could convince her, who disagrees with them on THESE stances, to vote for them anyway. So it probably wouldn't be by insulting Democrats.
It probably wouldn't be by insisting that if you don't vote R, you're a dummy who LOVES open borders. But it could be something about - I don't know - your vision of an economy that favors the middle class (how? i don't know - you tell me!), specifics on how how to effectively address crime, something something education. As far as I can tell, Rs' answers to all these things are ANGRY WORDS plus a whole lot of nothing (at best), plus MOOOR GUNS.
But show us how that isnt the case! Show us what you can offer to a voter like OP - look, I HATE this, but it's what Youngkin did in VA to get himself the election. That plus a super bad opponent, and a weird crazy time in American life. But it shows it's not impossible to reel in a voter like OP, even with a candidate who is going to trash most of the stuff she says she cares most about.
Op by her own admission does not care about any issue except the three she named. She cares nothing about the bolded ones above that you mention.
That is not at all what she said, I don't think. She said those are the issues she cares most about - and, given that, can anyone convince her to vote R?
So you're not going to convince her based on abortion rights. But how can you convince her that you offer an attractive enough package outside of that, that she should consider an R anyway. We're not going to find common ground on abortion, and probably not on voting or the environment - though at one point, not that long ago, there were Rs who were trying to get environmentalism into the GOP. I know that because my spouse worked with a bunch of them on these issues. They had inroads there - part of it was mitigation, some was through insurance, through stopping subsidizing environmentally harmful practices, etc. I don't know if that is still happening, but the point is that it can.
I am not going to make your case for you, Rs - but you clearly need better messengers than a bunch of hot takers on DCUM calling troll the second someone shows some interest, even skeptical interest, in what you have to say.
I think you are OP pretending to be a DP coming to defend OP. If so, you are moving the goal posts.
Above you say "But how can you convince her that you offer an attractive enough package outside of that [the three issues she cares about], that she should consider an R anyway."
That was not what she asked for--pretty explicitly as she said the border and inflation did not bother her "if they were real issues." Here was her request: "Can you make a case for the GOP based on what’s important to me."
I am truly not OP. Just someone who finds this thread really weird and puzzling.
I think you are all being much too literal with OP's OP. And even if she did ask you to present your common ground on abortion, and you think there isn't any - answer the question you want to answer, not the question you've been asked. This is media training 101. Look for your opening with a voter like OP - again, like Youngkin did in Virginia, gd help us all.
If the problem is that you really don't stand for anything, outside of restricting abortion, shouting about open borders, and insisting that any election that doesn't go your way was stolen, I can see why you are struggling.
Genuine question for you, speaking as someone who will not vote Republican, why do you think any true Republicans would even bother answering? OP was obviously trolling and is obviously deeply tied to Democrats. I don’t see why any of them would even bother. Any genuine answer would be immediately challenged, immediately torn apart, immediately dismissed.
I don’t really understand why you and OP think there is anything to even say here. I would not answer a partisan troll either.
OP doesn't seem like a troll - a troll is someone who's making trouble just to make trouble, and who often pretends to be someone other than who they are. I think OP is who she says she is - someone who cares about these things, but who also wants to hear what reasons might be for voting for the party that doesn't seem like the obvious choice. I don't know - it wouldn't be the first time I'm too naive, but she seems like she was asking a sincere question to me.
I guess enough Rs have spilled enough words in this thread - on a website they participate in, for free - that it seems like one of them would have spent at least one post just writing out a few lines about what benefit their might be for a lean D independent, in considering an R.
But I guess not!
PP here. A troll is someone who creates a fake scenario. OP has no intention of ever voting any way other than Democratic; by her own admission she is a lifelong Democrat. Therefore her actions are precisely within the definition of a troll.
OP. There’s nothing fake in my scenario. I have moderate views. I asked Moderates and Independents who think that the two parties are same, and Republicans, to sell me on why I should vote for a Republican. Instead I’ve gotten a lot of very upset Moderates, Independents and Republicans calling me a troll. That’s an answer in itself.
The obvious bias in your OP is why we know you are more of a troll than a sincere poster..... some of that bias.....
"but all I see is the GOP blocking action and actively damaging the country"
"What is the GOP doing to rectify their fascism/authoritarianism? Are they finally going to address all the ways they cheat at elections? Why should I, a proud American, have to wonder if they’re ever going to do the right thing in regards to getting the treason out of their party?"
"If the GOP wants my vote, what are they going to do to ameliorate this? They’re the reason nothing has been done so far, so why should I give them my vote?"
"inflation and immigration but neither of those issues bothers me and if they were real issues"
If you were truly interested in hearing from Republicans and being convinced of their policy positions, you would have begun with a more moderate post and left out the loaded language and opinions that you advance as "facts."
We see you.
Oh, and BTW - inflation and immigration ARE real issues. You may not like that because Biden has f'ed up on both of them. But, they are REAL issues.
The lengths you (and other Republicans on this thread) are going to in order to avoid answering the OP's question is really amazing. Really, truly amazing.
The GOP simply doesn't deserve the vote from anyone who actually believes in the United States, who supports our military, or supports the US as a shining city on the hill.
OP.
Yes, it seems evident to me that one party is functional, but it shouldn’t be that way. GOP voters should have helped their party moderate decades ago. I asked for people to sell why I should give a vote to anyone in the GOP but no one has been able to give even a simple explanation.
It really is amazing, the responses - furious you'd even ask for a reason to consider one of their candidates.
OP. And somehow unable to read my OP. The amount of “both sides”-ing has been atrocious.
Give it arrest. Biden himself could tell you his party could improve itself in such and such manner, and you’d label him MAGA while demanding why you should vote for the GOP. There is no reason for you to vote GOP. You are exhausting.
or... try broadening your tent and giving people who aren't already on your side a reason to vote for you?
it's "a rest" not "arrest," unless you're trump - then it's definitely "give it arrest"
Posters: Hate Trump not voting GOP, but not happy with Dems with they’d run someone younger.
OP: MAGA! TRUMPER! tell me why I should vote for your Trump and GOP. <stomps feet and shakes rattle> Why aren’t you telling me why I should vote GOP!!!! Why won’t you answer my question! Don’t tell me anything about abortion or immigration or whatever. Those don’t count. Those are not valid reasons! You are idiots!!!! Tell me why to vote for your party.
Posters: I’m voting Dem!
OP: OMG!!! Why won’t you tell me why I should vote for your GOP!?! Answer me!!!!
((Crickets))
I am the PP - obv obsessed - and I continue to find it baffling that this is your take on OP's question. Do you not think your party is doing good things? And not just good things for the people already voting R, but for others, too? Why are you seeing OP's question as an attack instead of an opportunity?
I don't really get this idea that you should get so weirdly angry and defensive, and lash out, when asked for reasons why your party is really good, and people should consider voting for them instead of Democrats.
This is your chance to make the case. Maybe OP isn't really going to vote for an R - I'm certainly not, haha effin never - but lots of elections come down to independent voters and persuadable voters. Pretend OP didn't raise your hackles. What is the case to them, for why Rs should be trusted to lead your city, your state, your country? And assume for this exercise that the voter doesn't hate drag queens, probably wants their kid to learn some history, isn't furious with Disney for taking a mealy-mouthed stance in favor of gay employees, etc. In other words, not the culture war stuff that's really just red meat to the people already in your camp - but the other stuff, that you truly believe shows why Rs are the party who deserve to lead?
OP.
Thank you for this. Yes, I think it’s bizarre that Moderates and Independents keep saying that both sides are the same. Republicans obviously fervently love their party and say the Democratic Party is bad. I’ve laid out my policy priorities and not a one of the above has been able to articulate why I should vote for a Republican, and they’re very upset I asked.
What a weird take. But it’s clear you were trolling so no matter.
OP. I’m not trolling. It’s an honest question and one that a few of you are taking very personally. If you thought I was trolling, report me or don’t participate. It’s clear that none of you can sell the GOP.
If you want open borders, you must vote Democrat, not Republican.
OP doesn't care about the border or the economy per her OP. She cares solely about abortion rights, voting rights and combating climate change.
R views on those vary but here's a sample: abortion is a matter for the states, voter ID is integral to fair elections, and nuclear energy should be promoted to avoid over loading the electric grid and the environmental destruction that alternative energy sources entail.
OP won't go for any of that.
Any mentally healthy person would have stopped posting here by now - but I don't think OP is looking for you to describe the R position on abortion in its most palatable terms. I think she's looking for how a R politician could convince her, who disagrees with them on THESE stances, to vote for them anyway. So it probably wouldn't be by insulting Democrats.
It probably wouldn't be by insisting that if you don't vote R, you're a dummy who LOVES open borders. But it could be something about - I don't know - your vision of an economy that favors the middle class (how? i don't know - you tell me!), specifics on how how to effectively address crime, something something education. As far as I can tell, Rs' answers to all these things are ANGRY WORDS plus a whole lot of nothing (at best), plus MOOOR GUNS.
But show us how that isnt the case! Show us what you can offer to a voter like OP - look, I HATE this, but it's what Youngkin did in VA to get himself the election. That plus a super bad opponent, and a weird crazy time in American life. But it shows it's not impossible to reel in a voter like OP, even with a candidate who is going to trash most of the stuff she says she cares most about.
Op by her own admission does not care about any issue except the three she named. She cares nothing about the bolded ones above that you mention.
That is not at all what she said, I don't think. She said those are the issues she cares most about - and, given that, can anyone convince her to vote R?
So you're not going to convince her based on abortion rights. But how can you convince her that you offer an attractive enough package outside of that, that she should consider an R anyway. We're not going to find common ground on abortion, and probably not on voting or the environment - though at one point, not that long ago, there were Rs who were trying to get environmentalism into the GOP. I know that because my spouse worked with a bunch of them on these issues. They had inroads there - part of it was mitigation, some was through insurance, through stopping subsidizing environmentally harmful practices, etc. I don't know if that is still happening, but the point is that it can.
I am not going to make your case for you, Rs - but you clearly need better messengers than a bunch of hot takers on DCUM calling troll the second someone shows some interest, even skeptical interest, in what you have to say.
I think you are OP pretending to be a DP coming to defend OP. If so, you are moving the goal posts.
Above you say "But how can you convince her that you offer an attractive enough package outside of that [the three issues she cares about], that she should consider an R anyway."
That was not what she asked for--pretty explicitly as she said the border and inflation did not bother her "if they were real issues." Here was her request: "Can you make a case for the GOP based on what’s important to me."
I am truly not OP. Just someone who finds this thread really weird and puzzling.
I think you are all being much too literal with OP's OP. And even if she did ask you to present your common ground on abortion, and you think there isn't any - answer the question you want to answer, not the question you've been asked. This is media training 101. Look for your opening with a voter like OP - again, like Youngkin did in Virginia, gd help us all.
If the problem is that you really don't stand for anything, outside of restricting abortion, shouting about open borders, and insisting that any election that doesn't go your way was stolen, I can see why you are struggling.
Genuine question for you, speaking as someone who will not vote Republican, why do you think any true Republicans would even bother answering? OP was obviously trolling and is obviously deeply tied to Democrats. I don’t see why any of them would even bother. Any genuine answer would be immediately challenged, immediately torn apart, immediately dismissed.
I don’t really understand why you and OP think there is anything to even say here. I would not answer a partisan troll either.
OP doesn't seem like a troll - a troll is someone who's making trouble just to make trouble, and who often pretends to be someone other than who they are. I think OP is who she says she is - someone who cares about these things, but who also wants to hear what reasons might be for voting for the party that doesn't seem like the obvious choice. I don't know - it wouldn't be the first time I'm too naive, but she seems like she was asking a sincere question to me.
I guess enough Rs have spilled enough words in this thread - on a website they participate in, for free - that it seems like one of them would have spent at least one post just writing out a few lines about what benefit their might be for a lean D independent, in considering an R.
But I guess not!
PP here. A troll is someone who creates a fake scenario. OP has no intention of ever voting any way other than Democratic; by her own admission she is a lifelong Democrat. Therefore her actions are precisely within the definition of a troll.
OP. There’s nothing fake in my scenario. I have moderate views. I asked Moderates and Independents who think that the two parties are same, and Republicans, to sell me on why I should vote for a Republican. Instead I’ve gotten a lot of very upset Moderates, Independents and Republicans calling me a troll. That’s an answer in itself.
The obvious bias in your OP is why we know you are more of a troll than a sincere poster..... some of that bias.....
"but all I see is the GOP blocking action and actively damaging the country"
"What is the GOP doing to rectify their fascism/authoritarianism? Are they finally going to address all the ways they cheat at elections? Why should I, a proud American, have to wonder if they’re ever going to do the right thing in regards to getting the treason out of their party?"
"If the GOP wants my vote, what are they going to do to ameliorate this? They’re the reason nothing has been done so far, so why should I give them my vote?"
"inflation and immigration but neither of those issues bothers me and if they were real issues"
If you were truly interested in hearing from Republicans and being convinced of their policy positions, you would have begun with a more moderate post and left out the loaded language and opinions that you advance as "facts."
We see you.
Oh, and BTW - inflation and immigration ARE real issues. You may not like that because Biden has f'ed up on both of them. But, they are REAL issues.
The lengths you (and other Republicans on this thread) are going to in order to avoid answering the OP's question is really amazing. Really, truly amazing.
The GOP simply doesn't deserve the vote from anyone who actually believes in the United States, who supports our military, or supports the US as a shining city on the hill.
OP.
Yes, it seems evident to me that one party is functional, but it shouldn’t be that way. GOP voters should have helped their party moderate decades ago. I asked for people to sell why I should give a vote to anyone in the GOP but no one has been able to give even a simple explanation.
It really is amazing, the responses - furious you'd even ask for a reason to consider one of their candidates.
OP. And somehow unable to read my OP. The amount of “both sides”-ing has been atrocious.
Give it arrest. Biden himself could tell you his party could improve itself in such and such manner, and you’d label him MAGA while demanding why you should vote for the GOP. There is no reason for you to vote GOP. You are exhausting.
or... try broadening your tent and giving people who aren't already on your side a reason to vote for you?
it's "a rest" not "arrest," unless you're trump - then it's definitely "give it arrest"
Posters: Hate Trump not voting GOP, but not happy with Dems with they’d run someone younger.
OP: MAGA! TRUMPER! tell me why I should vote for your Trump and GOP. <stomps feet and shakes rattle> Why aren’t you telling me why I should vote GOP!!!! Why won’t you answer my question! Don’t tell me anything about abortion or immigration or whatever. Those don’t count. Those are not valid reasons! You are idiots!!!! Tell me why to vote for your party.
Posters: I’m voting Dem!
OP: OMG!!! Why won’t you tell me why I should vote for your GOP!?! Answer me!!!!
((Crickets))
I am the PP - obv obsessed - and I continue to find it baffling that this is your take on OP's question. Do you not think your party is doing good things? And not just good things for the people already voting R, but for others, too? Why are you seeing OP's question as an attack instead of an opportunity?
I don't really get this idea that you should get so weirdly angry and defensive, and lash out, when asked for reasons why your party is really good, and people should consider voting for them instead of Democrats.
This is your chance to make the case. Maybe OP isn't really going to vote for an R - I'm certainly not, haha effin never - but lots of elections come down to independent voters and persuadable voters. Pretend OP didn't raise your hackles. What is the case to them, for why Rs should be trusted to lead your city, your state, your country? And assume for this exercise that the voter doesn't hate drag queens, probably wants their kid to learn some history, isn't furious with Disney for taking a mealy-mouthed stance in favor of gay employees, etc. In other words, not the culture war stuff that's really just red meat to the people already in your camp - but the other stuff, that you truly believe shows why Rs are the party who deserve to lead?
OP.
Thank you for this. Yes, I think it’s bizarre that Moderates and Independents keep saying that both sides are the same. Republicans obviously fervently love their party and say the Democratic Party is bad. I’ve laid out my policy priorities and not a one of the above has been able to articulate why I should vote for a Republican, and they’re very upset I asked.
What a weird take. But it’s clear you were trolling so no matter.
OP. I’m not trolling. It’s an honest question and one that a few of you are taking very personally. If you thought I was trolling, report me or don’t participate. It’s clear that none of you can sell the GOP.
If you want open borders, you must vote Democrat, not Republican.
OP doesn't care about the border or the economy per her OP. She cares solely about abortion rights, voting rights and combating climate change.
R views on those vary but here's a sample: abortion is a matter for the states, voter ID is integral to fair elections, and nuclear energy should be promoted to avoid over loading the electric grid and the environmental destruction that alternative energy sources entail.
OP won't go for any of that.
Any mentally healthy person would have stopped posting here by now - but I don't think OP is looking for you to describe the R position on abortion in its most palatable terms. I think she's looking for how a R politician could convince her, who disagrees with them on THESE stances, to vote for them anyway. So it probably wouldn't be by insulting Democrats.
It probably wouldn't be by insisting that if you don't vote R, you're a dummy who LOVES open borders. But it could be something about - I don't know - your vision of an economy that favors the middle class (how? i don't know - you tell me!), specifics on how how to effectively address crime, something something education. As far as I can tell, Rs' answers to all these things are ANGRY WORDS plus a whole lot of nothing (at best), plus MOOOR GUNS.
But show us how that isnt the case! Show us what you can offer to a voter like OP - look, I HATE this, but it's what Youngkin did in VA to get himself the election. That plus a super bad opponent, and a weird crazy time in American life. But it shows it's not impossible to reel in a voter like OP, even with a candidate who is going to trash most of the stuff she says she cares most about.
Op by her own admission does not care about any issue except the three she named. She cares nothing about the bolded ones above that you mention.
That is not at all what she said, I don't think. She said those are the issues she cares most about - and, given that, can anyone convince her to vote R?
So you're not going to convince her based on abortion rights. But how can you convince her that you offer an attractive enough package outside of that, that she should consider an R anyway. We're not going to find common ground on abortion, and probably not on voting or the environment - though at one point, not that long ago, there were Rs who were trying to get environmentalism into the GOP. I know that because my spouse worked with a bunch of them on these issues. They had inroads there - part of it was mitigation, some was through insurance, through stopping subsidizing environmentally harmful practices, etc. I don't know if that is still happening, but the point is that it can.
I am not going to make your case for you, Rs - but you clearly need better messengers than a bunch of hot takers on DCUM calling troll the second someone shows some interest, even skeptical interest, in what you have to say.
I think you are OP pretending to be a DP coming to defend OP. If so, you are moving the goal posts.
Above you say "But how can you convince her that you offer an attractive enough package outside of that [the three issues she cares about], that she should consider an R anyway."
That was not what she asked for--pretty explicitly as she said the border and inflation did not bother her "if they were real issues." Here was her request: "Can you make a case for the GOP based on what’s important to me."
I am truly not OP. Just someone who finds this thread really weird and puzzling.
I think you are all being much too literal with OP's OP. And even if she did ask you to present your common ground on abortion, and you think there isn't any - answer the question you want to answer, not the question you've been asked. This is media training 101. Look for your opening with a voter like OP - again, like Youngkin did in Virginia, gd help us all.
If the problem is that you really don't stand for anything, outside of restricting abortion, shouting about open borders, and insisting that any election that doesn't go your way was stolen, I can see why you are struggling.
Genuine question for you, speaking as someone who will not vote Republican, why do you think any true Republicans would even bother answering? OP was obviously trolling and is obviously deeply tied to Democrats. I don’t see why any of them would even bother. Any genuine answer would be immediately challenged, immediately torn apart, immediately dismissed.
I don’t really understand why you and OP think there is anything to even say here. I would not answer a partisan troll either.
OP doesn't seem like a troll - a troll is someone who's making trouble just to make trouble, and who often pretends to be someone other than who they are. I think OP is who she says she is - someone who cares about these things, but who also wants to hear what reasons might be for voting for the party that doesn't seem like the obvious choice. I don't know - it wouldn't be the first time I'm too naive, but she seems like she was asking a sincere question to me.
I guess enough Rs have spilled enough words in this thread - on a website they participate in, for free - that it seems like one of them would have spent at least one post just writing out a few lines about what benefit their might be for a lean D independent, in considering an R.
But I guess not!
PP here. A troll is someone who creates a fake scenario. OP has no intention of ever voting any way other than Democratic; by her own admission she is a lifelong Democrat. Therefore her actions are precisely within the definition of a troll.
OP. There’s nothing fake in my scenario. I have moderate views. I asked Moderates and Independents who think that the two parties are same, and Republicans, to sell me on why I should vote for a Republican. Instead I’ve gotten a lot of very upset Moderates, Independents and Republicans calling me a troll. That’s an answer in itself.
The obvious bias in your OP is why we know you are more of a troll than a sincere poster..... some of that bias.....
"but all I see is the GOP blocking action and actively damaging the country"
"What is the GOP doing to rectify their fascism/authoritarianism? Are they finally going to address all the ways they cheat at elections? Why should I, a proud American, have to wonder if they’re ever going to do the right thing in regards to getting the treason out of their party?"
"If the GOP wants my vote, what are they going to do to ameliorate this? They’re the reason nothing has been done so far, so why should I give them my vote?"
"inflation and immigration but neither of those issues bothers me and if they were real issues"
If you were truly interested in hearing from Republicans and being convinced of their policy positions, you would have begun with a more moderate post and left out the loaded language and opinions that you advance as "facts."
We see you.
Oh, and BTW - inflation and immigration ARE real issues. You may not like that because Biden has f'ed up on both of them. But, they are REAL issues.
The lengths you (and other Republicans on this thread) are going to in order to avoid answering the OP's question is really amazing. Really, truly amazing.
See 11:55, also my post.
Your 11:55 post is literally "nuh uh, your mind is made up on abortion, Democrats are the real authoritarians, and illegals crossing the border is a bigger deal than the climate!"
These do not answer the OP's question. These are not reasons to vote GOP. Profound logical fallacies aside, these are reasons you hate Democrats. If that's the actual answer to OP's question - vote for Republicans because the guys on the other team are bad/stupid/evil - so be it. Just stop pretending otherwise.
Anonymous wrote:I was able to kill Roe v. Wade.
I killed it and I killed it very strongly.
Nobotty else could kill it, but me.
Nobotty, nobotty. And I got it done.
But I’m very pro-choice, OK?
I’m what you call pro-choice.
Who doesn’t like choices?
We like choices, right?
Anonymous wrote:The obvious bias in your OP is why we know you are more of a troll than a sincere poster..... some of that bias.....
"but all I see is the GOP blocking action and actively damaging the country"
"What is the GOP doing to rectify their fascism/authoritarianism? Are they finally going to address all the ways they cheat at elections? Why should I, a proud American, have to wonder if they’re ever going to do the right thing in regards to getting the treason out of their party?"
"If the GOP wants my vote, what are they going to do to ameliorate this? They’re the reason nothing has been done so far, so why should I give them my vote?"
"inflation and immigration but neither of those issues bothers me and if they were real issues"
If you were truly interested in hearing from Republicans and being convinced of their policy positions, you would have begun with a more moderate post and left out the loaded language and opinions that you advance as "facts."
We see you.
Oh, and BTW - inflation and immigration ARE real issues. You may not like that because Biden has f'ed up on both of them. But, they are REAL issues.
OP. I’m sorry you feel so defensive about this, but I’m not a troll. You don’t like what I’m saying so you call it “bias,” “trolling” and insincere.
Instead of pretending to get hung up on strong but factual language, make the case for your party. Otherwise you’re just trying to “work the ref” because you have no defense of your party. I didn’t say inflation and immigration aren’t real issues, I said they’re not my priority and to the extent that they’re problems, they are problems due to the GOP not addressing them.
Again, you being unable to articulate an answer is an answer. Thank you for answering.
I am very much able to articulate answers. You, however, will have great difficulty accepting the answers as is evidenced by your OP.
The fact that you consider someone who gives birth to a baby as one who is "punished" by a child is insulting. And, very telling. Many of us are not believers of pro-life stances because of our religion, but because we KNOW that the "clump of cells" forming in the uterus is a human child who has no say in the matter. We are speaking for the child who deserves a chance at life. There will never be a national ban on abortion, but the least we can do is put limits on when a child can be ripped from the uterus. Democrats are unwilling to do this.
The fascism and authoritarianism that you accuse the GOP of are actually features of the Democratic party today. It is the Biden administration that has colluded with social media groups to censor free speech. It is the Biden administration who have mandated experimental vaccines and ensured that many lose their livelihood when they refused. It is the Biden administration who is working to alter the language in Title IX to include people who "identify" as a given to gender to compete against actual biological women. The rest of your drivel under "The American Experiment" is a joke.
Your post regarding "The Environment" is comical considering you don't believe that illegal immigration is a pressing issue. You are clearly oblivious to the damage to our country and the countries south of our border that the surge of migrants to our border has caused. And, to the ranches along our border. You blame the GOP for the problem, yet our government has thrown trillions of dollars at the problem and, according to you, it has only gotten worse. So, what the Democrats want to do is to ban fossil fuels.... which would cause the deaths of millions due to extreme heat or cold.
Republicans are all for protecting our environment. But, we do not believe in throwing the baby out with the bath water due to climate alarmists. Our infrastructure is decades away from supporting many of the things Democrats are pushing to do NOW... We could get into a discussion about how wind farms are causing far more long-term damage to our environment than carbon, but that would take a while.
And, the behavior of those who scream the loudest about becoming carbon neutral tells us that they are not truly serious about their goals. If they were, they wouldn't own multiple homes and wouldn't fly private jets around the world.
Inflation and immigration are huge issues for millions of us. Particularly for the middle and lower class Americans who are most impacted by these issues.
The fact that they are not important to you tells me that you are either wealthy or you are oblivious to the impact of these issues.
Those answers don't actually speak to OP. They may be why YOU vote GOP, but they don't give OP any reason to do it. In fact, the opposite, I think.
The GOP simply doesn't deserve the vote from anyone who actually believes in the United States, who supports our military, or supports the US as a shining city on the hill.
OP.
Yes, it seems evident to me that one party is functional, but it shouldn’t be that way. GOP voters should have helped their party moderate decades ago. I asked for people to sell why I should give a vote to anyone in the GOP but no one has been able to give even a simple explanation.
It really is amazing, the responses - furious you'd even ask for a reason to consider one of their candidates.
OP. And somehow unable to read my OP. The amount of “both sides”-ing has been atrocious.
Give it arrest. Biden himself could tell you his party could improve itself in such and such manner, and you’d label him MAGA while demanding why you should vote for the GOP. There is no reason for you to vote GOP. You are exhausting.
or... try broadening your tent and giving people who aren't already on your side a reason to vote for you?
it's "a rest" not "arrest," unless you're trump - then it's definitely "give it arrest"
Posters: Hate Trump not voting GOP, but not happy with Dems with they’d run someone younger.
OP: MAGA! TRUMPER! tell me why I should vote for your Trump and GOP. <stomps feet and shakes rattle> Why aren’t you telling me why I should vote GOP!!!! Why won’t you answer my question! Don’t tell me anything about abortion or immigration or whatever. Those don’t count. Those are not valid reasons! You are idiots!!!! Tell me why to vote for your party.
Posters: I’m voting Dem!
OP: OMG!!! Why won’t you tell me why I should vote for your GOP!?! Answer me!!!!
((Crickets))
I am the PP - obv obsessed - and I continue to find it baffling that this is your take on OP's question. Do you not think your party is doing good things? And not just good things for the people already voting R, but for others, too? Why are you seeing OP's question as an attack instead of an opportunity?
I don't really get this idea that you should get so weirdly angry and defensive, and lash out, when asked for reasons why your party is really good, and people should consider voting for them instead of Democrats.
This is your chance to make the case. Maybe OP isn't really going to vote for an R - I'm certainly not, haha effin never - but lots of elections come down to independent voters and persuadable voters. Pretend OP didn't raise your hackles. What is the case to them, for why Rs should be trusted to lead your city, your state, your country? And assume for this exercise that the voter doesn't hate drag queens, probably wants their kid to learn some history, isn't furious with Disney for taking a mealy-mouthed stance in favor of gay employees, etc. In other words, not the culture war stuff that's really just red meat to the people already in your camp - but the other stuff, that you truly believe shows why Rs are the party who deserve to lead?
OP.
Thank you for this. Yes, I think it’s bizarre that Moderates and Independents keep saying that both sides are the same. Republicans obviously fervently love their party and say the Democratic Party is bad. I’ve laid out my policy priorities and not a one of the above has been able to articulate why I should vote for a Republican, and they’re very upset I asked.
What a weird take. But it’s clear you were trolling so no matter.
OP. I’m not trolling. It’s an honest question and one that a few of you are taking very personally. If you thought I was trolling, report me or don’t participate. It’s clear that none of you can sell the GOP.
If you want open borders, you must vote Democrat, not Republican.
OP doesn't care about the border or the economy per her OP. She cares solely about abortion rights, voting rights and combating climate change.
R views on those vary but here's a sample: abortion is a matter for the states, voter ID is integral to fair elections, and nuclear energy should be promoted to avoid over loading the electric grid and the environmental destruction that alternative energy sources entail.
OP won't go for any of that.
Any mentally healthy person would have stopped posting here by now - but I don't think OP is looking for you to describe the R position on abortion in its most palatable terms. I think she's looking for how a R politician could convince her, who disagrees with them on THESE stances, to vote for them anyway. So it probably wouldn't be by insulting Democrats.
It probably wouldn't be by insisting that if you don't vote R, you're a dummy who LOVES open borders. But it could be something about - I don't know - your vision of an economy that favors the middle class (how? i don't know - you tell me!), specifics on how how to effectively address crime, something something education. As far as I can tell, Rs' answers to all these things are ANGRY WORDS plus a whole lot of nothing (at best), plus MOOOR GUNS.
But show us how that isnt the case! Show us what you can offer to a voter like OP - look, I HATE this, but it's what Youngkin did in VA to get himself the election. That plus a super bad opponent, and a weird crazy time in American life. But it shows it's not impossible to reel in a voter like OP, even with a candidate who is going to trash most of the stuff she says she cares most about.
Op by her own admission does not care about any issue except the three she named. She cares nothing about the bolded ones above that you mention.
That is not at all what she said, I don't think. She said those are the issues she cares most about - and, given that, can anyone convince her to vote R?
So you're not going to convince her based on abortion rights. But how can you convince her that you offer an attractive enough package outside of that, that she should consider an R anyway. We're not going to find common ground on abortion, and probably not on voting or the environment - though at one point, not that long ago, there were Rs who were trying to get environmentalism into the GOP. I know that because my spouse worked with a bunch of them on these issues. They had inroads there - part of it was mitigation, some was through insurance, through stopping subsidizing environmentally harmful practices, etc. I don't know if that is still happening, but the point is that it can.
I am not going to make your case for you, Rs - but you clearly need better messengers than a bunch of hot takers on DCUM calling troll the second someone shows some interest, even skeptical interest, in what you have to say.
I think you are OP pretending to be a DP coming to defend OP. If so, you are moving the goal posts.
Above you say "But how can you convince her that you offer an attractive enough package outside of that [the three issues she cares about], that she should consider an R anyway."
That was not what she asked for--pretty explicitly as she said the border and inflation did not bother her "if they were real issues." Here was her request: "Can you make a case for the GOP based on what’s important to me."
I am truly not OP. Just someone who finds this thread really weird and puzzling.
I think you are all being much too literal with OP's OP. And even if she did ask you to present your common ground on abortion, and you think there isn't any - answer the question you want to answer, not the question you've been asked. This is media training 101. Look for your opening with a voter like OP - again, like Youngkin did in Virginia, gd help us all.
If the problem is that you really don't stand for anything, outside of restricting abortion, shouting about open borders, and insisting that any election that doesn't go your way was stolen, I can see why you are struggling.
Genuine question for you, speaking as someone who will not vote Republican, why do you think any true Republicans would even bother answering? OP was obviously trolling and is obviously deeply tied to Democrats. I don’t see why any of them would even bother. Any genuine answer would be immediately challenged, immediately torn apart, immediately dismissed.
I don’t really understand why you and OP think there is anything to even say here. I would not answer a partisan troll either.
OP doesn't seem like a troll - a troll is someone who's making trouble just to make trouble, and who often pretends to be someone other than who they are. I think OP is who she says she is - someone who cares about these things, but who also wants to hear what reasons might be for voting for the party that doesn't seem like the obvious choice. I don't know - it wouldn't be the first time I'm too naive, but she seems like she was asking a sincere question to me.
I guess enough Rs have spilled enough words in this thread - on a website they participate in, for free - that it seems like one of them would have spent at least one post just writing out a few lines about what benefit their might be for a lean D independent, in considering an R.
But I guess not!
PP here. A troll is someone who creates a fake scenario. OP has no intention of ever voting any way other than Democratic; by her own admission she is a lifelong Democrat. Therefore her actions are precisely within the definition of a troll.
OP. There’s nothing fake in my scenario. I have moderate views. I asked Moderates and Independents who think that the two parties are same, and Republicans, to sell me on why I should vote for a Republican. Instead I’ve gotten a lot of very upset Moderates, Independents and Republicans calling me a troll. That’s an answer in itself.
The obvious bias in your OP is why we know you are more of a troll than a sincere poster..... some of that bias.....
"but all I see is the GOP blocking action and actively damaging the country"
"What is the GOP doing to rectify their fascism/authoritarianism? Are they finally going to address all the ways they cheat at elections? Why should I, a proud American, have to wonder if they’re ever going to do the right thing in regards to getting the treason out of their party?"
"If the GOP wants my vote, what are they going to do to ameliorate this? They’re the reason nothing has been done so far, so why should I give them my vote?"
"inflation and immigration but neither of those issues bothers me and if they were real issues"
If you were truly interested in hearing from Republicans and being convinced of their policy positions, you would have begun with a more moderate post and left out the loaded language and opinions that you advance as "facts."
We see you.
Oh, and BTW - inflation and immigration ARE real issues. You may not like that because Biden has f'ed up on both of them. But, they are REAL issues.
The lengths you (and other Republicans on this thread) are going to in order to avoid answering the OP's question is really amazing. Really, truly amazing.
See 11:55, also my post.
Your 11:55 post is literally "nuh uh, your mind is made up on abortion, Democrats are the real authoritarians, and illegals crossing the border is a bigger deal than the climate!"
These do not answer the OP's question. These are not reasons to vote GOP. Profound logical fallacies aside, these are reasons you hate Democrats. If that's the actual answer to OP's question - vote for Republicans because the guys on the other team are bad/stupid/evil - so be it. Just stop pretending otherwise.
I called it in the 2nd sentence of my post.
"You, however, will have great difficulty accepting the answers as is evidenced by your OP."
Anonymous wrote:The obvious bias in your OP is why we know you are more of a troll than a sincere poster..... some of that bias.....
"but all I see is the GOP blocking action and actively damaging the country"
"What is the GOP doing to rectify their fascism/authoritarianism? Are they finally going to address all the ways they cheat at elections? Why should I, a proud American, have to wonder if they’re ever going to do the right thing in regards to getting the treason out of their party?"
"If the GOP wants my vote, what are they going to do to ameliorate this? They’re the reason nothing has been done so far, so why should I give them my vote?"
"inflation and immigration but neither of those issues bothers me and if they were real issues"
If you were truly interested in hearing from Republicans and being convinced of their policy positions, you would have begun with a more moderate post and left out the loaded language and opinions that you advance as "facts."
We see you.
Oh, and BTW - inflation and immigration ARE real issues. You may not like that because Biden has f'ed up on both of them. But, they are REAL issues.
OP. I’m sorry you feel so defensive about this, but I’m not a troll. You don’t like what I’m saying so you call it “bias,” “trolling” and insincere.
Instead of pretending to get hung up on strong but factual language, make the case for your party. Otherwise you’re just trying to “work the ref” because you have no defense of your party. I didn’t say inflation and immigration aren’t real issues, I said they’re not my priority and to the extent that they’re problems, they are problems due to the GOP not addressing them.
Again, you being unable to articulate an answer is an answer. Thank you for answering.
I am very much able to articulate answers. You, however, will have great difficulty accepting the answers as is evidenced by your OP.
The fact that you consider someone who gives birth to a baby as one who is "punished" by a child is insulting. And, very telling. Many of us are not believers of pro-life stances because of our religion, but because we KNOW that the "clump of cells" forming in the uterus is a human child who has no say in the matter. We are speaking for the child who deserves a chance at life. There will never be a national ban on abortion, but the least we can do is put limits on when a child can be ripped from the uterus. Democrats are unwilling to do this.
The fascism and authoritarianism that you accuse the GOP of are actually features of the Democratic party today. It is the Biden administration that has colluded with social media groups to censor free speech. It is the Biden administration who have mandated experimental vaccines and ensured that many lose their livelihood when they refused. It is the Biden administration who is working to alter the language in Title IX to include people who "identify" as a given to gender to compete against actual biological women. The rest of your drivel under "The American Experiment" is a joke.
Your post regarding "The Environment" is comical considering you don't believe that illegal immigration is a pressing issue. You are clearly oblivious to the damage to our country and the countries south of our border that the surge of migrants to our border has caused. And, to the ranches along our border. You blame the GOP for the problem, yet our government has thrown trillions of dollars at the problem and, according to you, it has only gotten worse. So, what the Democrats want to do is to ban fossil fuels.... which would cause the deaths of millions due to extreme heat or cold.
Republicans are all for protecting our environment. But, we do not believe in throwing the baby out with the bath water due to climate alarmists. Our infrastructure is decades away from supporting many of the things Democrats are pushing to do NOW... We could get into a discussion about how wind farms are causing far more long-term damage to our environment than carbon, but that would take a while.
And, the behavior of those who scream the loudest about becoming carbon neutral tells us that they are not truly serious about their goals. If they were, they wouldn't own multiple homes and wouldn't fly private jets around the world.
Inflation and immigration are huge issues for millions of us. Particularly for the middle and lower class Americans who are most impacted by these issues.
The fact that they are not important to you tells me that you are either wealthy or you are oblivious to the impact of these issues.
Those answers don't actually speak to OP. They may be why YOU vote GOP, but they don't give OP any reason to do it. In fact, the opposite, I think.
OP wasn't genuine in her post. I am pointing that out.
She has no intention of voting Republican. That is clear from her OP.
Anonymous wrote:The obvious bias in your OP is why we know you are more of a troll than a sincere poster..... some of that bias.....
"but all I see is the GOP blocking action and actively damaging the country"
"What is the GOP doing to rectify their fascism/authoritarianism? Are they finally going to address all the ways they cheat at elections? Why should I, a proud American, have to wonder if they’re ever going to do the right thing in regards to getting the treason out of their party?"
"If the GOP wants my vote, what are they going to do to ameliorate this? They’re the reason nothing has been done so far, so why should I give them my vote?"
"inflation and immigration but neither of those issues bothers me and if they were real issues"
If you were truly interested in hearing from Republicans and being convinced of their policy positions, you would have begun with a more moderate post and left out the loaded language and opinions that you advance as "facts."
We see you.
Oh, and BTW - inflation and immigration ARE real issues. You may not like that because Biden has f'ed up on both of them. But, they are REAL issues.
OP. I’m sorry you feel so defensive about this, but I’m not a troll. You don’t like what I’m saying so you call it “bias,” “trolling” and insincere.
Instead of pretending to get hung up on strong but factual language, make the case for your party. Otherwise you’re just trying to “work the ref” because you have no defense of your party. I didn’t say inflation and immigration aren’t real issues, I said they’re not my priority and to the extent that they’re problems, they are problems due to the GOP not addressing them.
Again, you being unable to articulate an answer is an answer. Thank you for answering.
I am very much able to articulate answers. You, however, will have great difficulty accepting the answers as is evidenced by your OP.
The fact that you consider someone who gives birth to a baby as one who is "punished" by a child is insulting. And, very telling. Many of us are not believers of pro-life stances because of our religion, but because we KNOW that the "clump of cells" forming in the uterus is a human child who has no say in the matter. We are speaking for the child who deserves a chance at life. There will never be a national ban on abortion, but the least we can do is put limits on when a child can be ripped from the uterus. Democrats are unwilling to do this.
The fascism and authoritarianism that you accuse the GOP of are actually features of the Democratic party today. It is the Biden administration that has colluded with social media groups to censor free speech. It is the Biden administration who have mandated experimental vaccines and ensured that many lose their livelihood when they refused. It is the Biden administration who is working to alter the language in Title IX to include people who "identify" as a given to gender to compete against actual biological women. The rest of your drivel under "The American Experiment" is a joke.
Your post regarding "The Environment" is comical considering you don't believe that illegal immigration is a pressing issue. You are clearly oblivious to the damage to our country and the countries south of our border that the surge of migrants to our border has caused. And, to the ranches along our border. You blame the GOP for the problem, yet our government has thrown trillions of dollars at the problem and, according to you, it has only gotten worse. So, what the Democrats want to do is to ban fossil fuels.... which would cause the deaths of millions due to extreme heat or cold.
Republicans are all for protecting our environment. But, we do not believe in throwing the baby out with the bath water due to climate alarmists. Our infrastructure is decades away from supporting many of the things Democrats are pushing to do NOW... We could get into a discussion about how wind farms are causing far more long-term damage to our environment than carbon, but that would take a while.
And, the behavior of those who scream the loudest about becoming carbon neutral tells us that they are not truly serious about their goals. If they were, they wouldn't own multiple homes and wouldn't fly private jets around the world.
Inflation and immigration are huge issues for millions of us. Particularly for the middle and lower class Americans who are most impacted by these issues.
The fact that they are not important to you tells me that you are either wealthy or you are oblivious to the impact of these issues.
Those answers don't actually speak to OP. They may be why YOU vote GOP, but they don't give OP any reason to do it. In fact, the opposite, I think.
OP wasn't genuine in her post. I am pointing that out.
She has no intention of voting Republican. That is clear from her OP.
It's so disappointing, you try to build a new Nazi party for America and you get posts like OP's. Not fair.
The GOP simply doesn't deserve the vote from anyone who actually believes in the United States, who supports our military, or supports the US as a shining city on the hill.
OP.
Yes, it seems evident to me that one party is functional, but it shouldn’t be that way. GOP voters should have helped their party moderate decades ago. I asked for people to sell why I should give a vote to anyone in the GOP but no one has been able to give even a simple explanation.
It really is amazing, the responses - furious you'd even ask for a reason to consider one of their candidates.
OP. And somehow unable to read my OP. The amount of “both sides”-ing has been atrocious.
Give it arrest. Biden himself could tell you his party could improve itself in such and such manner, and you’d label him MAGA while demanding why you should vote for the GOP. There is no reason for you to vote GOP. You are exhausting.
or... try broadening your tent and giving people who aren't already on your side a reason to vote for you?
it's "a rest" not "arrest," unless you're trump - then it's definitely "give it arrest"
Posters: Hate Trump not voting GOP, but not happy with Dems with they’d run someone younger.
OP: MAGA! TRUMPER! tell me why I should vote for your Trump and GOP. <stomps feet and shakes rattle> Why aren’t you telling me why I should vote GOP!!!! Why won’t you answer my question! Don’t tell me anything about abortion or immigration or whatever. Those don’t count. Those are not valid reasons! You are idiots!!!! Tell me why to vote for your party.
Posters: I’m voting Dem!
OP: OMG!!! Why won’t you tell me why I should vote for your GOP!?! Answer me!!!!
((Crickets))
I am the PP - obv obsessed - and I continue to find it baffling that this is your take on OP's question. Do you not think your party is doing good things? And not just good things for the people already voting R, but for others, too? Why are you seeing OP's question as an attack instead of an opportunity?
I don't really get this idea that you should get so weirdly angry and defensive, and lash out, when asked for reasons why your party is really good, and people should consider voting for them instead of Democrats.
This is your chance to make the case. Maybe OP isn't really going to vote for an R - I'm certainly not, haha effin never - but lots of elections come down to independent voters and persuadable voters. Pretend OP didn't raise your hackles. What is the case to them, for why Rs should be trusted to lead your city, your state, your country? And assume for this exercise that the voter doesn't hate drag queens, probably wants their kid to learn some history, isn't furious with Disney for taking a mealy-mouthed stance in favor of gay employees, etc. In other words, not the culture war stuff that's really just red meat to the people already in your camp - but the other stuff, that you truly believe shows why Rs are the party who deserve to lead?
OP.
Thank you for this. Yes, I think it’s bizarre that Moderates and Independents keep saying that both sides are the same. Republicans obviously fervently love their party and say the Democratic Party is bad. I’ve laid out my policy priorities and not a one of the above has been able to articulate why I should vote for a Republican, and they’re very upset I asked.
What a weird take. But it’s clear you were trolling so no matter.
OP. I’m not trolling. It’s an honest question and one that a few of you are taking very personally. If you thought I was trolling, report me or don’t participate. It’s clear that none of you can sell the GOP.
If you want open borders, you must vote Democrat, not Republican.
OP doesn't care about the border or the economy per her OP. She cares solely about abortion rights, voting rights and combating climate change.
R views on those vary but here's a sample: abortion is a matter for the states, voter ID is integral to fair elections, and nuclear energy should be promoted to avoid over loading the electric grid and the environmental destruction that alternative energy sources entail.
OP won't go for any of that.
Any mentally healthy person would have stopped posting here by now - but I don't think OP is looking for you to describe the R position on abortion in its most palatable terms. I think she's looking for how a R politician could convince her, who disagrees with them on THESE stances, to vote for them anyway. So it probably wouldn't be by insulting Democrats.
It probably wouldn't be by insisting that if you don't vote R, you're a dummy who LOVES open borders. But it could be something about - I don't know - your vision of an economy that favors the middle class (how? i don't know - you tell me!), specifics on how how to effectively address crime, something something education. As far as I can tell, Rs' answers to all these things are ANGRY WORDS plus a whole lot of nothing (at best), plus MOOOR GUNS.
But show us how that isnt the case! Show us what you can offer to a voter like OP - look, I HATE this, but it's what Youngkin did in VA to get himself the election. That plus a super bad opponent, and a weird crazy time in American life. But it shows it's not impossible to reel in a voter like OP, even with a candidate who is going to trash most of the stuff she says she cares most about.
Op by her own admission does not care about any issue except the three she named. She cares nothing about the bolded ones above that you mention.
That is not at all what she said, I don't think. She said those are the issues she cares most about - and, given that, can anyone convince her to vote R?
So you're not going to convince her based on abortion rights. But how can you convince her that you offer an attractive enough package outside of that, that she should consider an R anyway. We're not going to find common ground on abortion, and probably not on voting or the environment - though at one point, not that long ago, there were Rs who were trying to get environmentalism into the GOP. I know that because my spouse worked with a bunch of them on these issues. They had inroads there - part of it was mitigation, some was through insurance, through stopping subsidizing environmentally harmful practices, etc. I don't know if that is still happening, but the point is that it can.
I am not going to make your case for you, Rs - but you clearly need better messengers than a bunch of hot takers on DCUM calling troll the second someone shows some interest, even skeptical interest, in what you have to say.
I think you are OP pretending to be a DP coming to defend OP. If so, you are moving the goal posts.
Above you say "But how can you convince her that you offer an attractive enough package outside of that [the three issues she cares about], that she should consider an R anyway."
That was not what she asked for--pretty explicitly as she said the border and inflation did not bother her "if they were real issues." Here was her request: "Can you make a case for the GOP based on what’s important to me."
I am truly not OP. Just someone who finds this thread really weird and puzzling.
I think you are all being much too literal with OP's OP. And even if she did ask you to present your common ground on abortion, and you think there isn't any - answer the question you want to answer, not the question you've been asked. This is media training 101. Look for your opening with a voter like OP - again, like Youngkin did in Virginia, gd help us all.
If the problem is that you really don't stand for anything, outside of restricting abortion, shouting about open borders, and insisting that any election that doesn't go your way was stolen, I can see why you are struggling.
Genuine question for you, speaking as someone who will not vote Republican, why do you think any true Republicans would even bother answering? OP was obviously trolling and is obviously deeply tied to Democrats. I don’t see why any of them would even bother. Any genuine answer would be immediately challenged, immediately torn apart, immediately dismissed.
I don’t really understand why you and OP think there is anything to even say here. I would not answer a partisan troll either.
OP doesn't seem like a troll - a troll is someone who's making trouble just to make trouble, and who often pretends to be someone other than who they are. I think OP is who she says she is - someone who cares about these things, but who also wants to hear what reasons might be for voting for the party that doesn't seem like the obvious choice. I don't know - it wouldn't be the first time I'm too naive, but she seems like she was asking a sincere question to me.
I guess enough Rs have spilled enough words in this thread - on a website they participate in, for free - that it seems like one of them would have spent at least one post just writing out a few lines about what benefit their might be for a lean D independent, in considering an R.
But I guess not!
PP here. A troll is someone who creates a fake scenario. OP has no intention of ever voting any way other than Democratic; by her own admission she is a lifelong Democrat. Therefore her actions are precisely within the definition of a troll.
OP. There’s nothing fake in my scenario. I have moderate views. I asked Moderates and Independents who think that the two parties are same, and Republicans, to sell me on why I should vote for a Republican. Instead I’ve gotten a lot of very upset Moderates, Independents and Republicans calling me a troll. That’s an answer in itself.
The obvious bias in your OP is why we know you are more of a troll than a sincere poster..... some of that bias.....
"but all I see is the GOP blocking action and actively damaging the country"
"What is the GOP doing to rectify their fascism/authoritarianism? Are they finally going to address all the ways they cheat at elections? Why should I, a proud American, have to wonder if they’re ever going to do the right thing in regards to getting the treason out of their party?"
"If the GOP wants my vote, what are they going to do to ameliorate this? They’re the reason nothing has been done so far, so why should I give them my vote?"
"inflation and immigration but neither of those issues bothers me and if they were real issues"
If you were truly interested in hearing from Republicans and being convinced of their policy positions, you would have begun with a more moderate post and left out the loaded language and opinions that you advance as "facts."
We see you.
Oh, and BTW - inflation and immigration ARE real issues. You may not like that because Biden has f'ed up on both of them. But, they are REAL issues.
The lengths you (and other Republicans on this thread) are going to in order to avoid answering the OP's question is really amazing. Really, truly amazing.
See 11:55, also my post.
Your 11:55 post is literally "nuh uh, your mind is made up on abortion, Democrats are the real authoritarians, and illegals crossing the border is a bigger deal than the climate!"
These do not answer the OP's question. These are not reasons to vote GOP. Profound logical fallacies aside, these are reasons you hate Democrats. If that's the actual answer to OP's question - vote for Republicans because the guys on the other team are bad/stupid/evil - so be it. Just stop pretending otherwise.
I called it in the 2nd sentence of my post.
"You, however, will have great difficulty accepting the answers as is evidenced by your OP."
It's troubling to hear you say that your posts - or any others on this thread - have answered OP's question. My acceptance has nothing to do with it; objectively, they have not answered the OP's question. You and other Republican PPs on this thread have stretched and contorted yourselves into all sorts of logical pretzels to avoid providing answers to a straightforward question. It's sad to watch, and very telling.
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