Official Government Shutdown 2023 Thread

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Anonymous wrote:What happens to FEHB and FEGLI if we miss a paycheck? To they wait until we get paid, or do we have to go out of pocket for our share of premiums?

Your premiums will get paid later when the lapse ends and you get your back pay, you don’t go out of pocket and your coverage continues.

And if the shutdown lasts a long time, that back pay check is big and taxed at a higher rate!

What? Marginal tax rates are based on AGI, and withholding is based on annual comp, not what you make in each check. If that were true, companies could lower taxes for their employees by going to biweekly pay.

I swear in 2013 I had more taxes taken out of my check.

I did too, our payroll provider doesn’t look at the annual rate but computes based on the paycheck. In 2019 we missed 35 days and got 3 paychecks in a lump sum so my marginal tax rate went from 24 to 32 percent.

Part of the Trump “tax cut” just really adjusted the withholding tables.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What happens to FEHB and FEGLI if we miss a paycheck? To they wait until we get paid, or do we have to go out of pocket for our share of premiums?

Does anyone know for sure about longterm care insurance?

I have been paying into that for decades, and can't lose it as I approach retirement!

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Anonymous wrote:What happens to FEHB and FEGLI if we miss a paycheck? To they wait until we get paid, or do we have to go out of pocket for our share of premiums?

Does anyone know for sure about longterm care insurance?

I have been paying into that for decades, and can't lose it as I approach retirement!

Coverage doesn’t lapse, and they take the missing premiums from your retro pay. There’s OPM guidance that explains this.

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Anonymous wrote:This is shutdown related, but not job related. Will White House tours, Capitol tours, etc continue through September, and then stop 10/1 if there's a shutdown? Or will they stop earlier?

They should not stop until the shutdown stops. It’s a very drop everything you are doing at the stroke of midnight situation. You get 4 hours for orderly shutdown. Which cannot be substantive work. It’s purely out of office replies on emails and phones. It takes 15 minutes, although we used to hang out and make gallows humor jokes for the 4 authorized hrs because we knew we’d at least get paid for that time. Now, we get paid anyway, so orderly shutdown is very short.

Which is what makes near misses so annoying. Congress pats itself on the back for narrowly avoiding a shutdown. But, no one sees how much time gets wasted preparing for the near misses. Whether the shutdown happen or not, you have to get your workload into position to be abandoned for a day, or week or more than a month with the least damage possible. In my case, it’s who is literally going to die if we don’t get this signed and out with a date before 10/1, and who will just live without cancer treatment for a while. It’s stressful and demoralizing. And I’m not the once who isn’t able to access life saving medical care.

Thank you for sharing. That is horrible. These stories should be in the press.

They are. But the fact “essential services” has been broadly defined in the past means the general public doesn’t see the real, human cost of shutdowns. And gets to continue the “see we can fire the whole federal workforce because they do nothing” rhetoric. Which is also demoralizing.

Here the armed services bill hasn’t passed which is unusual. But Quevin can’t even get that to the floor, so we will also have an unpaid military. And the lower ranks with families are near the poverty level to begin with. It’s crappy all around.

Just once, I wish a President had the stones to say “essential” means you are guarding nuclear weapons or staffing the ICU at the VA and everyone else goes home. No postal delivery. 1 ATC per airport for life flights and similar. So social security checks processed. The government actually stops.

Three things would happen: MAGA would learn that the government actually does something. The shutdown would last less than a day. And we would get legislation saying that if there is a lapse in appropriations, there is an automatic CR. So, it would be the last shutdown.

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They can play these stupid games because the politicians try to hide the real impact a shut down can have on people. If there's a shut down, we should all stop. It would be the last shutdown.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How long do you predict the gov't shutdown to go for?

The freedom caucus says they want a full quarter to prove how non-essential most of the government is. I don’t think it can go that far before truly essential services have sick out, like the ATCs who ended the Trump shutdowns. But, I have two college tuition payments to make in December, partially based on income. We sat down last night and made sure we had enough liquid to carry us for 3 months (including the tuition payments).

Of course, I’m lucky enough to have a higher earning spouse and the ability to do this. Younger people, those with childcare payments, those lower on the GS scale, etc can’t miss any pachecks, let alone several. Striking may be illegal for Feds. But it’s RSV, COVID, Flu season ahead. And p, as Trump found out, it all falls apart when airports close. Or mail delivery stops.

Plus, the military currently doesn’t have appropriations either. That’s a loser on both sides of the aisle. And if Dems are smart, they would demand a clean CR across the board, and not just for the military.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What happens to FEHB and FEGLI if we miss a paycheck? To they wait until we get paid, or do we have to go out of pocket for our share of premiums?

Does anyone know for sure about longterm care insurance?

I have been paying into that for decades, and can't lose it as I approach retirement!

Coverage doesn’t lapse, and they take the missing premiums from your retro pay. There’s OPM guidance that explains this.

🙏

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Streaming to freak out a little. If they shut down how long do you all think it will be?

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Anonymous wrote:Streaming to freak out a little. If they shut down how long do you all think it will be?

I don’t think there will be a shut down, but if there is it won’t be long. Maybe a couple of weeks. Don’t worry, you’ll be paid back just like last time. I’m not going to say like a paid vacation (because I acknowledge it’s stressful), but….

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Streaming to freak out a little. If they shut down how long do you all think it will be?

A quarter.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Streaming to freak out a little. If they shut down how long do you all think it will be?

A quarter.

wow. if that’s true then I do need to get my side-hustle cleared …

[Anonymous]

An issue is that so many of us are dual feds. We would be okay with one paycheck, but zero paychecks? It would mean selling stocks and pulling money from long term investments since that's where our savings are parked. But we'd be fine. (Versus 10+ years ago when I was a GS 7, unmarried and had no savings yet)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is shutdown related, but not job related. Will White House tours, Capitol tours, etc continue through September, and then stop 10/1 if there's a shutdown? Or will they stop earlier?

They should not stop until the shutdown stops. It’s a very drop everything you are doing at the stroke of midnight situation. You get 4 hours for orderly shutdown. Which cannot be substantive work. It’s purely out of office replies on emails and phones. It takes 15 minutes, although we used to hang out and make gallows humor jokes for the 4 authorized hrs because we knew we’d at least get paid for that time. Now, we get paid anyway, so orderly shutdown is very short.

Which is what makes near misses so annoying. Congress pats itself on the back for narrowly avoiding a shutdown. But, no one sees how much time gets wasted preparing for the near misses. Whether the shutdown happen or not, you have to get your workload into position to be abandoned for a day, or week or more than a month with the least damage possible. In my case, it’s who is literally going to die if we don’t get this signed and out with a date before 10/1, and who will just live without cancer treatment for a while. It’s stressful and demoralizing. And I’m not the once who isn’t able to access life saving medical care.

Thank you for sharing. That is horrible. These stories should be in the press.

They are. But the fact “essential services” has been broadly defined in the past means the general public doesn’t see the real, human cost of shutdowns. And gets to continue the “see we can fire the whole federal workforce because they do nothing” rhetoric. Which is also demoralizing.

Here the armed services bill hasn’t passed which is unusual. But Quevin can’t even get that to the floor, so we will also have an unpaid military. And the lower ranks with families are near the poverty level to begin with. It’s crappy all around.

Just once, I wish a President had the stones to say “essential” means you are guarding nuclear weapons or staffing the ICU at the VA and everyone else goes home. No postal delivery. 1 ATC per airport for life flights and similar. So social security checks processed. The government actually stops.

Three things would happen: MAGA would learn that the government actually does something. The shutdown would last less than a day. And we would get legislation saying that if there is a lapse in appropriations, there is an automatic CR. So, it would be the last shutdown.

100%.
They can play these stupid games because the politicians try to hide the real impact a shut down can have on people. If there's a shut down, we should all stop. It would be the last shutdown.

They need to stop making TSA exempt from furlough. Give them a day to do an orderly shutdown and ground all commercial aircraft’s because we’re not paying TSA. The public who would be effected would scream loudly enough that the shutdown would end. Sadly all of the people in poverty who my agency helps have zero political clout.

[Anonymous]

Do Conngresscritters still get paid during shutdowns?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is shutdown related, but not job related. Will White House tours, Capitol tours, etc continue through September, and then stop 10/1 if there's a shutdown? Or will they stop earlier?

They should not stop until the shutdown stops. It’s a very drop everything you are doing at the stroke of midnight situation. You get 4 hours for orderly shutdown. Which cannot be substantive work. It’s purely out of office replies on emails and phones. It takes 15 minutes, although we used to hang out and make gallows humor jokes for the 4 authorized hrs because we knew we’d at least get paid for that time. Now, we get paid anyway, so orderly shutdown is very short.

Which is what makes near misses so annoying. Congress pats itself on the back for narrowly avoiding a shutdown. But, no one sees how much time gets wasted preparing for the near misses. Whether the shutdown happen or not, you have to get your workload into position to be abandoned for a day, or week or more than a month with the least damage possible. In my case, it’s who is literally going to die if we don’t get this signed and out with a date before 10/1, and who will just live without cancer treatment for a while. It’s stressful and demoralizing. And I’m not the once who isn’t able to access life saving medical care.

Thank you for sharing. That is horrible. These stories should be in the press.

They are. But the fact “essential services” has been broadly defined in the past means the general public doesn’t see the real, human cost of shutdowns. And gets to continue the “see we can fire the whole federal workforce because they do nothing” rhetoric. Which is also demoralizing.

Here the armed services bill hasn’t passed which is unusual. But Quevin can’t even get that to the floor, so we will also have an unpaid military. And the lower ranks with families are near the poverty level to begin with. It’s crappy all around.

Just once, I wish a President had the stones to say “essential” means you are guarding nuclear weapons or staffing the ICU at the VA and everyone else goes home. No postal delivery. 1 ATC per airport for life flights and similar. So social security checks processed. The government actually stops.

Three things would happen: MAGA would learn that the government actually does something. The shutdown would last less than a day. And we would get legislation saying that if there is a lapse in appropriations, there is an automatic CR. So, it would be the last shutdown.

Agree, but isn't USPS self-funded, with no direct taxpayer funding?

[Anonymous]

Yes they are going to shut it down

Yes it will be long

The cult has won the US is going to be destroyed

Republicans have a 2024 plan and it’s horrendous. They write it down.

If you are a female, Jew or any minority prepare.


Go maga I hope you get everything you wished on the rest of us. Because when they take over and they will fox help us. Russian bread lines will be nothing compared to what the plan is for here.

No I am not wrong or overreacting.

They wrote it down. And they burned Dr Suess books yesterday. Really???