Thomas Jefferson High School drops to 5th in latest US News ranking

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter when the rankings were made. People have already said TJ's scores will go down because they are no longer selecting for students who do well on tests. A high ranking is not the goal.

However, scores might go up, since someone posted above that the scores are compared to the expectations based on the racial makeup of the school. With more blacks and Hispanics, who will presumably outperform the typical black and Hispanic student. the test rankings might go up.

But a high ranking is the goal. To the parents.
The fact that their child's education is excellent, that US News rankings don't really matter and that the article says there's little difference between 5th and 1st doesn't matter.
The rankings matter so the parents can feel superior.

And this is why TJ is such a healthier place now - they've begun replacing the parents. The kids selected by the old process have never been the problem.

How's TJ healthier now? Why suppressing the parents (the tax payers) is a good thing?

The focus is moving away from prestige and individualism and in the direction of a complete education that prepares students to collaborate with a 21st century population.

So, implementing discrimination and parent suppression would achieve that. Wow

Race is not considered during the admissions process.

And Asians have the highest rate and number of admissions. So...

No discrimination.

Don't lie. The main reason to keep changing the admission process is to engineer the racial demographic

Nope. It was to provide opportunities to kids from ALL middle schools.

You cannot get free rides all the time. At some point in your life you have to work hard to get ahead.

Nobody here is getting a “free ride”. Kids are all working hard. Now, hard working kids from more MSs have access to TJ. It’s a good thing.

You deny it because you feel shame to accept the reality.

There is no shame that hard-working, well-qualified kids from more MSs now have access to TJ.

Source/ any data to support your comment?
Why do you need quota then?
Why not compete fairly with others?

All kids met GPA/course criteria. These kids have higher GPAs, on average, than before the change.

Then why there are quotas in the system?
You still don't want to admit the reality.

There aren’t race-based quotas. There are seats open to all MSs - if and only if they have qualified applicants.

Come on. Each locality has a certain demographic composition. FCPS just masks their race-based intent.
You can't be that naive, right?

The biggest change was better representation of kids from low-income families. Prior to the change, kids from economically-disadvantaged families were <1% of the class.

Also, the # of women admitted (for class of 2025) increased more than any other group.

FCPS can do that in a fair, moral, and more productive way.
For examples:
- Additional programs to help URM students (free tutoring, music lessons, extracurricular classes)
- Build more STEM schools
- Encourage URM kids to STEM activities starting from Pre-K

Taking seats away from applicants with higher credentials is wrong.

Nobody is entitled to a seat at TJ. There are way more qualified applicants than there are seats.

Sure some are entitled. Stop lying.

Who do you think is entitled to a seat at TJ? Try to answer without sounding like a racist.

I don't even mention race. Any race can be in the "entitled" pool.
Do you have any suggestions? Apparently, you look at things racially.

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Anonymous wrote:Amazingly, so many people in this forum believe discrimination and war on meritocracy are good for our country.

It’s not discrimination.

Not race based and Asians have the highest number and rate of admission.

It is discrimination. You can not based on race to reject applicants, regardless of the situation.

Not discrimination.

Asians students have the highest number of admits and the highest rate of admission.

It is wrong. The race-based admission process is unethical.

Chief Justice John Roberts wrote: "Many universities have for too long wrongly concluded that the touchstone of an individual's identity is not challenges bested, skills built, or lessons learned, but the color of their skin."

It wis not race-based.

And Asians students have the highest number of admits and the highest rate of admission.

No discrimination.

Stop just paste and copy

Stop posting lies.

You are a pathetic liar, panhandler

Sorry, the truth can be a bitter pill to swallow.

The current admissions process is NOT race-based.

And Asians students have the highest number of admits and the highest rate of admission.

No discrimination.

Why is anyone so fixated on Asian Student number if not with a racial bias? Does the all black high school basketball or all white ice hockey team bother anyone aside from those with racist views?

There was a concentrated ant-asian american effort that has taken place behind the scenes, to bring down average number for asian americans admitted per year for decades. Without a deliberate and covert endeavor targeting this specific race, how else could have the Asian american students admissions gone down abruptly in one year when the number of Asian American student applications has stayed consistently at or above 60% of total?

You are the one fixated on race. The % of Asian students admitted for class of 2025 is higher than it was for class of 2013 (and prior).

The goal was to increase representation from across the area. Asian students still make up the large majority of the school. And the "feeder schools" continue to have an over-sized representation at TJ.

The biggest decrease was actually for private school students (-56%).

No discrimination.

Asian American students STILL make up the large majority? STILL? Their representation has gone down by 20% of total, and they should be expected to acquiesce to this apparent racial suppression?

Consider the outrage that would arise if a racist school board targeted a basketball team composed of 75% black students, reduced their representation to 51%, and then claimed they should be content with still being the majority.

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Anonymous wrote:Amazingly, so many people in this forum believe discrimination and war on meritocracy are good for our country.

It’s not discrimination.

Not race based and Asians have the highest number and rate of admission.

It is discrimination. You can not based on race to reject applicants, regardless of the situation.

Not discrimination.

Asians students have the highest number of admits and the highest rate of admission.

It is wrong. The race-based admission process is unethical.

Chief Justice John Roberts wrote: "Many universities have for too long wrongly concluded that the touchstone of an individual's identity is not challenges bested, skills built, or lessons learned, but the color of their skin."

It wis not race-based.

And Asians students have the highest number of admits and the highest rate of admission.

No discrimination.

Stop just paste and copy

Stop posting lies.

You are a pathetic liar, panhandler

Sorry, the truth can be a bitter pill to swallow.

The current admissions process is NOT race-based.

And Asians students have the highest number of admits and the highest rate of admission.

No discrimination.

Why is anyone so fixated on Asian Student number if not with a racial bias? Does the all black high school basketball or all white ice hockey team bother anyone aside from those with racist views?

There was a concentrated ant-asian american effort that has taken place behind the scenes, to bring down average number for asian americans admitted per year for decades. Without a deliberate and covert endeavor targeting this specific race, how else could have the Asian american students admissions gone down abruptly in one year when the number of Asian American student applications has stayed consistently at or above 60% of total?

This is false. The population of Asian-American students at TJ dropped with the Class of 2025 for a similar reason to why the male student population at UVA decreased in 1971. The prior admissions process excluded a certain group, and as a result (but not as an intended cause) the dominant majority group reduced in size.

Incoming classes used to hover around approximately 70% Asian (80% when you include multi-racial students, most of whom were at least half Asian). They also used to hover around 1% students from disadvantaged economic backgrounds. The group of Asian students was increasingly dominated by South Asians, who are by some distance the wealthiest demographic in Northern Virginia. Meanwhile, Black and Hispanic students are among the least wealthy demographics.

Opening up admission to TJ to students and families with lesser means - it was de facto closed to them before - is a noble goal no matter what anyone says. That's one of those things where if you disagree with it, you're not someone to be taken seriously.

You have absolutely no evidence to suggest that a goal of the admissions changes was to reduce the number or proportion of Asian students. You just don't. What some people have is a few text messages and e-mails among School Board members who were concerned with the public perception of an admissions process proposal that they voted down, and criticism of the messaging being done by a Superintendent who has since resigned.

There is no aspect of the TJ education that has been compromised by the admission of a slightly different mix of the group of qualified students that has always existed for selection. And again, you have zero evidence to the contrary.

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Anonymous wrote:Amazingly, so many people in this forum believe discrimination and war on meritocracy are good for our country.

It’s not discrimination.

Not race based and Asians have the highest number and rate of admission.

It is discrimination. You can not based on race to reject applicants, regardless of the situation.

Not discrimination.

Asians students have the highest number of admits and the highest rate of admission.

It is wrong. The race-based admission process is unethical.

Chief Justice John Roberts wrote: "Many universities have for too long wrongly concluded that the touchstone of an individual's identity is not challenges bested, skills built, or lessons learned, but the color of their skin."

It wis not race-based.

And Asians students have the highest number of admits and the highest rate of admission.

No discrimination.

Stop just paste and copy

Stop posting lies.

You are a pathetic liar, panhandler

Sorry, the truth can be a bitter pill to swallow.

The current admissions process is NOT race-based.

And Asians students have the highest number of admits and the highest rate of admission.

No discrimination.

Why is anyone so fixated on Asian Student number if not with a racial bias? Does the all black high school basketball or all white ice hockey team bother anyone aside from those with racist views?

There was a concentrated ant-asian american effort that has taken place behind the scenes, to bring down average number for asian americans admitted per year for decades. Without a deliberate and covert endeavor targeting this specific race, how else could have the Asian american students admissions gone down abruptly in one year when the number of Asian American student applications has stayed consistently at or above 60% of total?

This is false. The population of Asian-American students at TJ dropped with the Class of 2025 for a similar reason to why the male student population at UVA decreased in 1971. The prior admissions process excluded a certain group, and as a result (but not as an intended cause) the dominant majority group reduced in size.

Incoming classes used to hover around approximately 70% Asian (80% when you include multi-racial students, most of whom were at least half Asian). They also used to hover around 1% students from disadvantaged economic backgrounds. The group of Asian students was increasingly dominated by South Asians, who are by some distance the wealthiest demographic in Northern Virginia. Meanwhile, Black and Hispanic students are among the least wealthy demographics.

Opening up admission to TJ to students and families with lesser means - it was de facto closed to them before - is a noble goal no matter what anyone says. That's one of those things where if you disagree with it, you're not someone to be taken seriously.

You have absolutely no evidence to suggest that a goal of the admissions changes was to reduce the number or proportion of Asian students. You just don't. What some people have is a few text messages and e-mails among School Board members who were concerned with the public perception of an admissions process proposal that they voted down, and criticism of the messaging being done by a Superintendent who has since resigned.

There is no aspect of the TJ education that has been compromised by the admission of a slightly different mix of the group of qualified students that has always existed for selection. And again, you have zero evidence to the contrary.

Can you show us some proof? Rather than mumbling around the issue.

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Anonymous wrote:Amazingly, so many people in this forum believe discrimination and war on meritocracy are good for our country.

It’s not discrimination.

Not race based and Asians have the highest number and rate of admission.

It is discrimination. You can not based on race to reject applicants, regardless of the situation.

Not discrimination.

Asians students have the highest number of admits and the highest rate of admission.

It is wrong. The race-based admission process is unethical.

Chief Justice John Roberts wrote: "Many universities have for too long wrongly concluded that the touchstone of an individual's identity is not challenges bested, skills built, or lessons learned, but the color of their skin."

It wis not race-based.

And Asians students have the highest number of admits and the highest rate of admission.

No discrimination.

Stop just paste and copy

Stop posting lies.

You are a pathetic liar, panhandler

Sorry, the truth can be a bitter pill to swallow.

The current admissions process is NOT race-based.

And Asians students have the highest number of admits and the highest rate of admission.

No discrimination.

Why is anyone so fixated on Asian Student number if not with a racial bias? Does the all black high school basketball or all white ice hockey team bother anyone aside from those with racist views?

There was a concentrated ant-asian american effort that has taken place behind the scenes, to bring down average number for asian americans admitted per year for decades. Without a deliberate and covert endeavor targeting this specific race, how else could have the Asian american students admissions gone down abruptly in one year when the number of Asian American student applications has stayed consistently at or above 60% of total?

This is false. The population of Asian-American students at TJ dropped with the Class of 2025 for a similar reason to why the male student population at UVA decreased in 1971. The prior admissions process excluded a certain group, and as a result (but not as an intended cause) the dominant majority group reduced in size.

Incoming classes used to hover around approximately 70% Asian (80% when you include multi-racial students, most of whom were at least half Asian). They also used to hover around 1% students from disadvantaged economic backgrounds. The group of Asian students was increasingly dominated by South Asians, who are by some distance the wealthiest demographic in Northern Virginia. Meanwhile, Black and Hispanic students are among the least wealthy demographics.

Opening up admission to TJ to students and families with lesser means - it was de facto closed to them before - is a noble goal no matter what anyone says. That's one of those things where if you disagree with it, you're not someone to be taken seriously.

You have absolutely no evidence to suggest that a goal of the admissions changes was to reduce the number or proportion of Asian students. You just don't. What some people have is a few text messages and e-mails among School Board members who were concerned with the public perception of an admissions process proposal that they voted down, and criticism of the messaging being done by a Superintendent who has since resigned.

There is no aspect of the TJ education that has been compromised by the admission of a slightly different mix of the group of qualified students that has always existed for selection. And again, you have zero evidence to the contrary.

Can you show us some proof? Rather than mumbling around the issue.

Proof of what? If someone is claiming that something is happening - the educational quality is being compromised somehow - the burden of proof is on them. It is illogical to attempt to prove a negative.

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Anonymous wrote:Amazingly, so many people in this forum believe discrimination and war on meritocracy are good for our country.

It’s not discrimination.

Not race based and Asians have the highest number and rate of admission.

It is discrimination. You can not based on race to reject applicants, regardless of the situation.

Not discrimination.

Asians students have the highest number of admits and the highest rate of admission.

It is wrong. The race-based admission process is unethical.

Chief Justice John Roberts wrote: "Many universities have for too long wrongly concluded that the touchstone of an individual's identity is not challenges bested, skills built, or lessons learned, but the color of their skin."

It wis not race-based.

And Asians students have the highest number of admits and the highest rate of admission.

No discrimination.

Stop just paste and copy

Stop posting lies.

You are a pathetic liar, panhandler

Sorry, the truth can be a bitter pill to swallow.

The current admissions process is NOT race-based.

And Asians students have the highest number of admits and the highest rate of admission.

No discrimination.

Why is anyone so fixated on Asian Student number if not with a racial bias? Does the all black high school basketball or all white ice hockey team bother anyone aside from those with racist views?

There was a concentrated ant-asian american effort that has taken place behind the scenes, to bring down average number for asian americans admitted per year for decades. Without a deliberate and covert endeavor targeting this specific race, how else could have the Asian american students admissions gone down abruptly in one year when the number of Asian American student applications has stayed consistently at or above 60% of total?

This is false. The population of Asian-American students at TJ dropped with the Class of 2025 for a similar reason to why the male student population at UVA decreased in 1971. The prior admissions process excluded a certain group, and as a result (but not as an intended cause) the dominant majority group reduced in size.

Incoming classes used to hover around approximately 70% Asian (80% when you include multi-racial students, most of whom were at least half Asian). They also used to hover around 1% students from disadvantaged economic backgrounds. The group of Asian students was increasingly dominated by South Asians, who are by some distance the wealthiest demographic in Northern Virginia. Meanwhile, Black and Hispanic students are among the least wealthy demographics.

Opening up admission to TJ to students and families with lesser means - it was de facto closed to them before - is a noble goal no matter what anyone says. That's one of those things where if you disagree with it, you're not someone to be taken seriously.

You have absolutely no evidence to suggest that a goal of the admissions changes was to reduce the number or proportion of Asian students. You just don't. What some people have is a few text messages and e-mails among School Board members who were concerned with the public perception of an admissions process proposal that they voted down, and criticism of the messaging being done by a Superintendent who has since resigned.

There is no aspect of the TJ education that has been compromised by the admission of a slightly different mix of the group of qualified students that has always existed for selection. And again, you have zero evidence to the contrary.

Can you show us some proof? Rather than mumbling around the issue.

Proof of what? If someone is claiming that something is happening - the educational quality is being compromised somehow - the burden of proof is on them. It is illogical to attempt to prove a negative.

Okay, I understand. Only you can put out statistics from your ass.

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Anonymous wrote:Justice Roberts wrote: "Harvard's admissions process rests on the pernicious stereotype that 'a black student can usually bring something that a white person cannot offer.'"

How does diversity help in a STEM school likes TJ? I think it is irrelevant.
Do students from different races see Navier-Stokes equations differently?

What Justice Roberts describes is not a “pernicious stereotype”. It is a reality that sadly centers around the fact that the experience of Black, Hispanic, and poor Americans is fundamentally different in America - just as it is in many ways for Asians - solely because of the color of their skin.

That will continue to be the case until we actually treat folks in those underrepresented groups with the same dignity and respect as everyone else AS A SOCIETY.

If we want it to no longer be the case that “a Black person can offer something that a white person cannot offer”…

… a good place to start would be to stop spewing this nonsense that Black kids are too lazy, or that Black families don’t care about education, and on and on and on.

The kids at TJ are learning this by being exposed to academically motivated kids from those cultures - probably for the first time in their lives.

If Black people really love diversity, why do they physically attack Asians all over the country?

They don't. You're going to have to cite a credible news source or study to suggest that Black people physically attack Asians all over the country.

You're trying to justify the fact that you hate them and think less of them and it's ugly.

Yes, they did attack the Asian community and discriminate against Asian basketball players.
You just turn your head away when it comes to those issues.

There are many incidents. Just a few below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K1bmpZKTEg
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeremy-lin-asian-american-attacks-racism/

You and I have a very different understanding of 1) the use of plurals rather than singulars in grammar; and 2) the phrase "all over the country".

Also, your Youtube video shows incidents that, while not insignificant, are not especially numerous and are limited to a small part of the country.

And oh, by the way, Rupert Murdoch owns the TV station that lent a platform to this story. His corporation just had to pay nearly a billion dollars to Dominion Voting Systems for defamation on the airwaves. His networks are not reliable sources.

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Anonymous wrote:Amazingly, so many people in this forum believe discrimination and war on meritocracy are good for our country.

It’s not discrimination.

Not race based and Asians have the highest number and rate of admission.

It is discrimination. You can not based on race to reject applicants, regardless of the situation.

Not discrimination.

Asians students have the highest number of admits and the highest rate of admission.

It is wrong. The race-based admission process is unethical.

Chief Justice John Roberts wrote: "Many universities have for too long wrongly concluded that the touchstone of an individual's identity is not challenges bested, skills built, or lessons learned, but the color of their skin."

It wis not race-based.

And Asians students have the highest number of admits and the highest rate of admission.

No discrimination.

Stop just paste and copy

Stop posting lies.

You are a pathetic liar, panhandler

Sorry, the truth can be a bitter pill to swallow.

The current admissions process is NOT race-based.

And Asians students have the highest number of admits and the highest rate of admission.

No discrimination.

Why is anyone so fixated on Asian Student number if not with a racial bias? Does the all black high school basketball or all white ice hockey team bother anyone aside from those with racist views?

There was a concentrated ant-asian american effort that has taken place behind the scenes, to bring down average number for asian americans admitted per year for decades. Without a deliberate and covert endeavor targeting this specific race, how else could have the Asian american students admissions gone down abruptly in one year when the number of Asian American student applications has stayed consistently at or above 60% of total?

This is false. The population of Asian-American students at TJ dropped with the Class of 2025 for a similar reason to why the male student population at UVA decreased in 1971. The prior admissions process excluded a certain group, and as a result (but not as an intended cause) the dominant majority group reduced in size.

Incoming classes used to hover around approximately 70% Asian (80% when you include multi-racial students, most of whom were at least half Asian). They also used to hover around 1% students from disadvantaged economic backgrounds. The group of Asian students was increasingly dominated by South Asians, who are by some distance the wealthiest demographic in Northern Virginia. Meanwhile, Black and Hispanic students are among the least wealthy demographics.

Opening up admission to TJ to students and families with lesser means - it was de facto closed to them before - is a noble goal no matter what anyone says. That's one of those things where if you disagree with it, you're not someone to be taken seriously.

You have absolutely no evidence to suggest that a goal of the admissions changes was to reduce the number or proportion of Asian students. You just don't. What some people have is a few text messages and e-mails among School Board members who were concerned with the public perception of an admissions process proposal that they voted down, and criticism of the messaging being done by a Superintendent who has since resigned.

There is no aspect of the TJ education that has been compromised by the admission of a slightly different mix of the group of qualified students that has always existed for selection. And again, you have zero evidence to the contrary.

Can you show us some proof? Rather than mumbling around the issue.

Proof of what? If someone is claiming that something is happening - the educational quality is being compromised somehow - the burden of proof is on them. It is illogical to attempt to prove a negative.

Okay, I understand. Only you can put out statistics from your ass.

What statistic is troubling you?

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Anonymous wrote:Amazingly, so many people in this forum believe discrimination and war on meritocracy are good for our country.

It’s not discrimination.

Not race based and Asians have the highest number and rate of admission.

It is discrimination. You can not based on race to reject applicants, regardless of the situation.

Not discrimination.

Asians students have the highest number of admits and the highest rate of admission.

It is wrong. The race-based admission process is unethical.

Chief Justice John Roberts wrote: "Many universities have for too long wrongly concluded that the touchstone of an individual's identity is not challenges bested, skills built, or lessons learned, but the color of their skin."

It wis not race-based.

And Asians students have the highest number of admits and the highest rate of admission.

No discrimination.

Stop just paste and copy

Stop posting lies.

You are a pathetic liar, panhandler

Sorry, the truth can be a bitter pill to swallow.

The current admissions process is NOT race-based.

And Asians students have the highest number of admits and the highest rate of admission.

No discrimination.

Why is anyone so fixated on Asian Student number if not with a racial bias? Does the all black high school basketball or all white ice hockey team bother anyone aside from those with racist views?

There was a concentrated ant-asian american effort that has taken place behind the scenes, to bring down average number for asian americans admitted per year for decades. Without a deliberate and covert endeavor targeting this specific race, how else could have the Asian american students admissions gone down abruptly in one year when the number of Asian American student applications has stayed consistently at or above 60% of total?

This is false. The population of Asian-American students at TJ dropped with the Class of 2025 for a similar reason to why the male student population at UVA decreased in 1971. The prior admissions process excluded a certain group, and as a result (but not as an intended cause) the dominant majority group reduced in size.

Incoming classes used to hover around approximately 70% Asian (80% when you include multi-racial students, most of whom were at least half Asian). They also used to hover around 1% students from disadvantaged economic backgrounds. The group of Asian students was increasingly dominated by South Asians, who are by some distance the wealthiest demographic in Northern Virginia. Meanwhile, Black and Hispanic students are among the least wealthy demographics.

Opening up admission to TJ to students and families with lesser means - it was de facto closed to them before - is a noble goal no matter what anyone says. That's one of those things where if you disagree with it, you're not someone to be taken seriously.

You have absolutely no evidence to suggest that a goal of the admissions changes was to reduce the number or proportion of Asian students. You just don't. What some people have is a few text messages and e-mails among School Board members who were concerned with the public perception of an admissions process proposal that they voted down, and criticism of the messaging being done by a Superintendent who has since resigned.

There is no aspect of the TJ education that has been compromised by the admission of a slightly different mix of the group of qualified students that has always existed for selection. And again, you have zero evidence to the contrary.

Can you show us some proof? Rather than mumbling around the issue.

Proof of what? If someone is claiming that something is happening - the educational quality is being compromised somehow - the burden of proof is on them. It is illogical to attempt to prove a negative.

Okay, I understand. Only you can put out statistics from your ass.

What statistic is troubling you?

All the numbers you mentioned. Do you have references for them? Did you just make them up?

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Anonymous wrote:Amazingly, so many people in this forum believe discrimination and war on meritocracy are good for our country.

It’s not discrimination.

Not race based and Asians have the highest number and rate of admission.

It is discrimination. You can not based on race to reject applicants, regardless of the situation.

Not discrimination.

Asians students have the highest number of admits and the highest rate of admission.

It is wrong. The race-based admission process is unethical.

Chief Justice John Roberts wrote: "Many universities have for too long wrongly concluded that the touchstone of an individual's identity is not challenges bested, skills built, or lessons learned, but the color of their skin."

It wis not race-based.

And Asians students have the highest number of admits and the highest rate of admission.

No discrimination.

Stop just paste and copy

Stop posting lies.

You are a pathetic liar, panhandler

Sorry, the truth can be a bitter pill to swallow.

The current admissions process is NOT race-based.

And Asians students have the highest number of admits and the highest rate of admission.

No discrimination.

Why is anyone so fixated on Asian Student number if not with a racial bias? Does the all black high school basketball or all white ice hockey team bother anyone aside from those with racist views?

There was a concentrated ant-asian american effort that has taken place behind the scenes, to bring down average number for asian americans admitted per year for decades. Without a deliberate and covert endeavor targeting this specific race, how else could have the Asian american students admissions gone down abruptly in one year when the number of Asian American student applications has stayed consistently at or above 60% of total?

You are the one fixated on race. The % of Asian students admitted for class of 2025 is higher than it was for class of 2013 (and prior).

The goal was to increase representation from across the area. Asian students still make up the large majority of the school. And the "feeder schools" continue to have an over-sized representation at TJ.

The biggest decrease was actually for private school students (-56%).

No discrimination.

Asian American students STILL make up the large majority? STILL? Their representation has gone down by 20% of total, and they should be expected to acquiesce to this apparent racial suppression?

Consider the outrage that would arise if a racist school board targeted a basketball team composed of 75% black students, reduced their representation to 51%, and then claimed they should be content with still being the majority.

Why on earth is it always basketball teams with you people?

And yes, if a racist school board targets any group of people, that's not okay. But you have no evidence that that's what happened here. None.

Why on earth is it always Magnet programs / STEM programs with you people?

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Anonymous wrote:Amazingly, so many people in this forum believe discrimination and war on meritocracy are good for our country.

It’s not discrimination.

Not race based and Asians have the highest number and rate of admission.

It is discrimination. You can not based on race to reject applicants, regardless of the situation.

Not discrimination.

Asians students have the highest number of admits and the highest rate of admission.

It is wrong. The race-based admission process is unethical.

Chief Justice John Roberts wrote: "Many universities have for too long wrongly concluded that the touchstone of an individual's identity is not challenges bested, skills built, or lessons learned, but the color of their skin."

It wis not race-based.

And Asians students have the highest number of admits and the highest rate of admission.

No discrimination.

Stop just paste and copy

Stop posting lies.

You are a pathetic liar, panhandler

Sorry, the truth can be a bitter pill to swallow.

The current admissions process is NOT race-based.

And Asians students have the highest number of admits and the highest rate of admission.

No discrimination.

Why is anyone so fixated on Asian Student number if not with a racial bias? Does the all black high school basketball or all white ice hockey team bother anyone aside from those with racist views?

There was a concentrated ant-asian american effort that has taken place behind the scenes, to bring down average number for asian americans admitted per year for decades. Without a deliberate and covert endeavor targeting this specific race, how else could have the Asian american students admissions gone down abruptly in one year when the number of Asian American student applications has stayed consistently at or above 60% of total?

This is false. The population of Asian-American students at TJ dropped with the Class of 2025 for a similar reason to why the male student population at UVA decreased in 1971. The prior admissions process excluded a certain group, and as a result (but not as an intended cause) the dominant majority group reduced in size.

Incoming classes used to hover around approximately 70% Asian (80% when you include multi-racial students, most of whom were at least half Asian). They also used to hover around 1% students from disadvantaged economic backgrounds. The group of Asian students was increasingly dominated by South Asians, who are by some distance the wealthiest demographic in Northern Virginia. Meanwhile, Black and Hispanic students are among the least wealthy demographics.

Opening up admission to TJ to students and families with lesser means - it was de facto closed to them before - is a noble goal no matter what anyone says. That's one of those things where if you disagree with it, you're not someone to be taken seriously.

You have absolutely no evidence to suggest that a goal of the admissions changes was to reduce the number or proportion of Asian students. You just don't. What some people have is a few text messages and e-mails among School Board members who were concerned with the public perception of an admissions process proposal that they voted down, and criticism of the messaging being done by a Superintendent who has since resigned.

There is no aspect of the TJ education that has been compromised by the admission of a slightly different mix of the group of qualified students that has always existed for selection. And again, you have zero evidence to the contrary.

Can you show us some proof? Rather than mumbling around the issue.

Proof of what? If someone is claiming that something is happening - the educational quality is being compromised somehow - the burden of proof is on them. It is illogical to attempt to prove a negative.

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PP should provide proof or sit down.

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Anonymous wrote:Amazingly, so many people in this forum believe discrimination and war on meritocracy are good for our country.

It’s not discrimination.

Not race based and Asians have the highest number and rate of admission.

It is discrimination. You can not based on race to reject applicants, regardless of the situation.

Not discrimination.

Asians students have the highest number of admits and the highest rate of admission.

It is wrong. The race-based admission process is unethical.

Chief Justice John Roberts wrote: "Many universities have for too long wrongly concluded that the touchstone of an individual's identity is not challenges bested, skills built, or lessons learned, but the color of their skin."

It wis not race-based.

And Asians students have the highest number of admits and the highest rate of admission.

No discrimination.

Stop just paste and copy

Stop posting lies.

You are a pathetic liar, panhandler

Sorry, the truth can be a bitter pill to swallow.

The current admissions process is NOT race-based.

And Asians students have the highest number of admits and the highest rate of admission.

No discrimination.

Why is anyone so fixated on Asian Student number if not with a racial bias? Does the all black high school basketball or all white ice hockey team bother anyone aside from those with racist views?

There was a concentrated ant-asian american effort that has taken place behind the scenes, to bring down average number for asian americans admitted per year for decades. Without a deliberate and covert endeavor targeting this specific race, how else could have the Asian american students admissions gone down abruptly in one year when the number of Asian American student applications has stayed consistently at or above 60% of total?

This is false. The population of Asian-American students at TJ dropped with the Class of 2025 for a similar reason to why the male student population at UVA decreased in 1971. The prior admissions process excluded a certain group, and as a result (but not as an intended cause) the dominant majority group reduced in size.

Incoming classes used to hover around approximately 70% Asian (80% when you include multi-racial students, most of whom were at least half Asian). They also used to hover around 1% students from disadvantaged economic backgrounds. The group of Asian students was increasingly dominated by South Asians, who are by some distance the wealthiest demographic in Northern Virginia. Meanwhile, Black and Hispanic students are among the least wealthy demographics.

Opening up admission to TJ to students and families with lesser means - it was de facto closed to them before - is a noble goal no matter what anyone says. That's one of those things where if you disagree with it, you're not someone to be taken seriously.

You have absolutely no evidence to suggest that a goal of the admissions changes was to reduce the number or proportion of Asian students. You just don't. What some people have is a few text messages and e-mails among School Board members who were concerned with the public perception of an admissions process proposal that they voted down, and criticism of the messaging being done by a Superintendent who has since resigned.

There is no aspect of the TJ education that has been compromised by the admission of a slightly different mix of the group of qualified students that has always existed for selection. And again, you have zero evidence to the contrary.

Can you show us some proof? Rather than mumbling around the issue.

Proof of what? If someone is claiming that something is happening - the educational quality is being compromised somehow - the burden of proof is on them. It is illogical to attempt to prove a negative.

Okay, I understand. Only you can put out statistics from your ass.

What statistic is troubling you?

All the numbers you mentioned. Do you have references for them? Did you just make them up?

Pick one, by all means.

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Anonymous wrote:Amazingly, so many people in this forum believe discrimination and war on meritocracy are good for our country.

It’s not discrimination.

Not race based and Asians have the highest number and rate of admission.

It is discrimination. You can not based on race to reject applicants, regardless of the situation.

Not discrimination.

Asians students have the highest number of admits and the highest rate of admission.

It is wrong. The race-based admission process is unethical.

Chief Justice John Roberts wrote: "Many universities have for too long wrongly concluded that the touchstone of an individual's identity is not challenges bested, skills built, or lessons learned, but the color of their skin."

It wis not race-based.

And Asians students have the highest number of admits and the highest rate of admission.

No discrimination.

Stop just paste and copy

Stop posting lies.

You are a pathetic liar, panhandler

Sorry, the truth can be a bitter pill to swallow.

The current admissions process is NOT race-based.

And Asians students have the highest number of admits and the highest rate of admission.

No discrimination.

Why is anyone so fixated on Asian Student number if not with a racial bias? Does the all black high school basketball or all white ice hockey team bother anyone aside from those with racist views?

There was a concentrated ant-asian american effort that has taken place behind the scenes, to bring down average number for asian americans admitted per year for decades. Without a deliberate and covert endeavor targeting this specific race, how else could have the Asian american students admissions gone down abruptly in one year when the number of Asian American student applications has stayed consistently at or above 60% of total?

This is false. The population of Asian-American students at TJ dropped with the Class of 2025 for a similar reason to why the male student population at UVA decreased in 1971. The prior admissions process excluded a certain group, and as a result (but not as an intended cause) the dominant majority group reduced in size.

Incoming classes used to hover around approximately 70% Asian (80% when you include multi-racial students, most of whom were at least half Asian). They also used to hover around 1% students from disadvantaged economic backgrounds. The group of Asian students was increasingly dominated by South Asians, who are by some distance the wealthiest demographic in Northern Virginia. Meanwhile, Black and Hispanic students are among the least wealthy demographics.

Opening up admission to TJ to students and families with lesser means - it was de facto closed to them before - is a noble goal no matter what anyone says. That's one of those things where if you disagree with it, you're not someone to be taken seriously.

You have absolutely no evidence to suggest that a goal of the admissions changes was to reduce the number or proportion of Asian students. You just don't. What some people have is a few text messages and e-mails among School Board members who were concerned with the public perception of an admissions process proposal that they voted down, and criticism of the messaging being done by a Superintendent who has since resigned.

There is no aspect of the TJ education that has been compromised by the admission of a slightly different mix of the group of qualified students that has always existed for selection. And again, you have zero evidence to the contrary.

Can you show us some proof? Rather than mumbling around the issue.

Proof of what? If someone is claiming that something is happening - the educational quality is being compromised somehow - the burden of proof is on them. It is illogical to attempt to prove a negative.

Okay, I understand. Only you can put out statistics from your ass.

What statistic is troubling you?

All the numbers you mentioned. Do you have references for them? Did you just make them up?

DP. Lots of admissions data here if you aren't familiar with it:
https://fcag.org/tjstatistics.shtml

Let us know if you need help analyzing it. We've done this extensively on earlier threads.

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Anonymous wrote:Amazingly, so many people in this forum believe discrimination and war on meritocracy are good for our country.

It’s not discrimination.

Not race based and Asians have the highest number and rate of admission.

It is discrimination. You can not based on race to reject applicants, regardless of the situation.

Not discrimination.

Asians students have the highest number of admits and the highest rate of admission.

It is wrong. The race-based admission process is unethical.

Chief Justice John Roberts wrote: "Many universities have for too long wrongly concluded that the touchstone of an individual's identity is not challenges bested, skills built, or lessons learned, but the color of their skin."

It wis not race-based.

And Asians students have the highest number of admits and the highest rate of admission.

No discrimination.

Stop just paste and copy

Stop posting lies.

You are a pathetic liar, panhandler

Sorry, the truth can be a bitter pill to swallow.

The current admissions process is NOT race-based.

And Asians students have the highest number of admits and the highest rate of admission.

No discrimination.

Why is anyone so fixated on Asian Student number if not with a racial bias? Does the all black high school basketball or all white ice hockey team bother anyone aside from those with racist views?

There was a concentrated ant-asian american effort that has taken place behind the scenes, to bring down average number for asian americans admitted per year for decades. Without a deliberate and covert endeavor targeting this specific race, how else could have the Asian american students admissions gone down abruptly in one year when the number of Asian American student applications has stayed consistently at or above 60% of total?

This is false. The population of Asian-American students at TJ dropped with the Class of 2025 for a similar reason to why the male student population at UVA decreased in 1971. The prior admissions process excluded a certain group, and as a result (but not as an intended cause) the dominant majority group reduced in size.

Incoming classes used to hover around approximately 70% Asian (80% when you include multi-racial students, most of whom were at least half Asian). They also used to hover around 1% students from disadvantaged economic backgrounds. The group of Asian students was increasingly dominated by South Asians, who are by some distance the wealthiest demographic in Northern Virginia. Meanwhile, Black and Hispanic students are among the least wealthy demographics.

Opening up admission to TJ to students and families with lesser means - it was de facto closed to them before - is a noble goal no matter what anyone says. That's one of those things where if you disagree with it, you're not someone to be taken seriously.

You have absolutely no evidence to suggest that a goal of the admissions changes was to reduce the number or proportion of Asian students. You just don't. What some people have is a few text messages and e-mails among School Board members who were concerned with the public perception of an admissions process proposal that they voted down, and criticism of the messaging being done by a Superintendent who has since resigned.

There is no aspect of the TJ education that has been compromised by the admission of a slightly different mix of the group of qualified students that has always existed for selection. And again, you have zero evidence to the contrary.

Can you show us some proof? Rather than mumbling around the issue.

Proof of what? If someone is claiming that something is happening - the educational quality is being compromised somehow - the burden of proof is on them. It is illogical to attempt to prove a negative.

Okay, I understand. Only you can put out statistics from your ass.

What statistic is troubling you?

All the numbers you mentioned. Do you have references for them? Did you just make them up?

DP. Lots of admissions data here if you aren't familiar with it:
https://fcag.org/tjstatistics.shtml

Let us know if you need help analyzing it. We've done this extensively on earlier threads.

Asian % reduced from 73% (Class of 2024) to 54% (Class of 2025) seems suspicious. There must be serious social-engineering by the admission process or the admission staff.
Unless you believe the Asian kids just suddenly lost interest in studying.
You also mentioned, "There is no aspect of the TJ education that has been compromised"
I disagree. The fact that they still teach geometry in 9th grade is hilarious for a gifted STEM school.

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter when the rankings were made. People have already said TJ's scores will go down because they are no longer selecting for students who do well on tests. A high ranking is not the goal.

However, scores might go up, since someone posted above that the scores are compared to the expectations based on the racial makeup of the school. With more blacks and Hispanics, who will presumably outperform the typical black and Hispanic student. the test rankings might go up.

But a high ranking is the goal. To the parents.
The fact that their child's education is excellent, that US News rankings don't really matter and that the article says there's little difference between 5th and 1st doesn't matter.
The rankings matter so the parents can feel superior.

And this is why TJ is such a healthier place now - they've begun replacing the parents. The kids selected by the old process have never been the problem.

How's TJ healthier now? Why suppressing the parents (the tax payers) is a good thing?

The focus is moving away from prestige and individualism and in the direction of a complete education that prepares students to collaborate with a 21st century population.

So, implementing discrimination and parent suppression would achieve that. Wow

Race is not considered during the admissions process.

And Asians have the highest rate and number of admissions. So...

No discrimination.

Don't lie. The main reason to keep changing the admission process is to engineer the racial demographic

Nope. It was to provide opportunities to kids from ALL middle schools.

You cannot get free rides all the time. At some point in your life you have to work hard to get ahead.

Nobody here is getting a “free ride”. Kids are all working hard. Now, hard working kids from more MSs have access to TJ. It’s a good thing.

You deny it because you feel shame to accept the reality.

There is no shame that hard-working, well-qualified kids from more MSs now have access to TJ.

Source/ any data to support your comment?
Why do you need quota then?
Why not compete fairly with others?

All kids met GPA/course criteria. These kids have higher GPAs, on average, than before the change.

Then why there are quotas in the system?
You still don't want to admit the reality.

There aren’t race-based quotas. There are seats open to all MSs - if and only if they have qualified applicants.

Come on. Each locality has a certain demographic composition. FCPS just masks their race-based intent.
You can't be that naive, right?

The biggest change was better representation of kids from low-income families. Prior to the change, kids from economically-disadvantaged families were <1% of the class.

Also, the # of women admitted (for class of 2025) increased more than any other group.

FCPS can do that in a fair, moral, and more productive way.
For examples:
- Additional programs to help URM students (free tutoring, music lessons, extracurricular classes)
- Build more STEM schools
- Encourage URM kids to STEM activities starting from Pre-K

Taking seats away from applicants with higher credentials is wrong.

Nobody is entitled to a seat at TJ. There are way more qualified applicants than there are seats.

Stop lying.
The sole purpose of adjusting the admission is to achieve diversity.
You even feel shame to admit the fact.

There is no shame that hard-working, well-qualified kids from more MSs now have access to TJ.

Stop lying.
The sole purpose of adjusting the admission is to achieve diversity.
You even feel shame to admit the fact.

In New York City, where anti-Asian hate crime soared nearly nine-fold in 2020 over the year before, only two of the 20 people arrested last year in connection with these attacks were white, according to New York Police Department data analyzed by the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism. Eleven were African Americans, six were white Hispanics and one was a Black Hispanic.

I'm sorry... there were 20 people arrested for this supposed "soar" in the crime rate in a year in a city of nearly 10 million people? And you're citing arrest statistics from a police department that is world-renowned for their mistreatment and aggressive policies toward Black people?

I don't think this post made the point that you wanted it to make.

There were many incidents like that. You just being ignorant.