Ozark season 4 is out today!

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Anonymous wrote:I wanted Ruth to live just so we could get a spin-off. Julie Garner is just so fun to watch in the role.

That would be a good spinoff! I’m so over the Byrdes by now. Can’t imagine watching a spin-off with them.

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Anonymous wrote:I have questions!

How did Camilla have so much power, to order the hit on Navarro? I thought her power derived from the cartel members thinking she was relaying Navarro’s orders?

Also, my read of the ending was that the Byrdes are still under Camilla’s thumb, so not free of “the life” and maybe wven in more danger since Camilla is ruthless and sort of blames them by association in her son’s death. Do others agree?

Last, why would Jonah pivot from his feelings of betrayal towards his mother over his uncle’s murder, and then kill the one person who can bring justice for his uncle? That last point made zero sense.

Exactly on point about Jonah. He lived in a hotel to be away from his evil mother. He loved Buddy and his uncle. He was the only one in the family with a moral compass. Did not believe the ending for a minute. It was like it was written by a teenager. He would not have shot that cop for his mother. He wanted justice for his uncle. Ruth dying was just wrong. We needed someone to hope for. The ending was bleak.

It really was a hopeless ending. Byrdes didn’t escape the life, their kids are becoming like them, and Ruth - Ruth!, whose story amazingly had hope amd change post-Wyatt’s death, was ended.

I mean, ok, but similar to the Sopranos they were all in with drugs, the mob, and the cartel. Ruth included.

Ruth was ready to accept that the KC mob killed Darlene and Wyatt in revenge for Darlene killing the head of the KC mob. Heck, she was on her way out of town. She could not set aside her impulse control and need for revenge/justice once she learned otherwise. She knew she would always have to be looking over her shoulder.

As far as Jonah and Charlotte - when it turned out that their grandfather didn't really give a crap about them and only took on their mother because "F her!" they went back to what they know, which is their family. Is Wendy terrible and ruthless? Yes. Will Wendy also do whatever she needs to do to protect them? Also yes. Some jerkface PI is sitting in your backyard with your uncle's ashes telling you that he's going to destroy the one constant in your life. Probably not a hard choice for Jonah.

Jonah already had left his parents when he moved into that hotel. He thought independently and thought his mother was evil for killing her brother. The writers wanted us to believe he not only gave up but did a 180 and killed the one man wanting justice for his uncle. Don’t buy it- terrible ending.

Jonah operates on the whim of a teenager, and he makes decisions based largely on emotions, rather than introspection. He lived at the motel as a f*ck you to Wendy. He told Ruth that it was Javi who killed Wyatt, when anyone with two brain cells knows that's the last thing you tell Ruth if you cared for her at all. When Wendy finally apologized for Ben's death and her role in it, it went a long way to take away his anger toward her. Then the car accident and almost losing his mom. Those events turned him around and emotionally he's a Byrd again.

Jonah was never an ordinary teenager. He was different from the very beginning.

Both kids were woefully underused in this season. Previously they had actual storyline arcs of their own. It was disappointing.

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I thought one of the plot holes at the end was how easily Wendy's Dad got custody of the kids.

And Wendy and Marty were so crushed at the end when they realized that Ruth had been killed. She had done so much for them and they weren't able to save her.

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Can someone remind me why the FBI has a deal with these people and is not arresting them all?

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone remind me why the FBI has a deal with these people and is not arresting them all?

SEIZURES

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone remind me why the FBI has a deal with these people and is not arresting them all?

SEIZURES

What about seizures?

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone remind me why the FBI has a deal with these people and is not arresting them all?

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What about seizures?

They get to keep the money?

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Anonymous wrote:The first 3 episodes of part 2 seemed to crawl - so slow. Then we get to the last episode and it felt very rushed.

It should have ended with the viewers seeing the broken glass at the Byrd's home and a silhouette the person's head who was waiting.

That ending would have been fantastic.

I thought it wouldn't have been bad if they all died in the car wreck.

I found it almost comical that they all walked away from that horrific car wreck with nary a scratch. I mean, SERIOUSLY??
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Anonymous wrote:I just finished the last episode. I wasn't happy but I was satisfied I guess.

I agree that all the Wendy and Marty maneuvering was over the top, but I feel like it was symbolic of their fate - they will always have to be one step ahead and looking over their shoulder.

Ruth - I'll be the outlier, but Ruth's story ended as it should have. The entire series Ruth has been struggling to move beyond her roots, but at the same time she never really wanted to. The scene where she sees her father, uncle, and Wyatt - she was half gone. Was it sad to lose her? Yes. Was it the right conclusion for her character? Also yes.

Who did Jonah shoot? Tough one, but I think Jonah shot the detective. The Byrdes are one messed up family, but they are a family. Remember Charlotte telling Jonah it's ok if some part of him wants to go to the gala? More than one part of him wanted to go.

I think it ended as it should have overall.

Agree. It wasn't at all the ending I expected, but I like that it surprised me. All Jonah would have had to do was shoot the goat cookie jar - all the ashes would have blown away and been useless. I think that's how I would have ended it - the detective himself didn't have to die if the ashes were unusable.

So are we to understand that Marty and Wendy are not headed back to Chicago as they had planned, and instead will continue laundering money for Omar's sister?

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Anonymous wrote:This season could have done fine without Wendy’s dad (John Boy Walton!) and the PI storyline.
Wasn’t it definitely the PI who was shot by Jonah? Didn’t he keel over? Not gonna rewatch it.
I just figure the Byrds are going to keep on Byrding with Camilla and Co.

No we don't see this. the closing shot is Jonah shooting the gun which seems to be pointed at the detective, who is holding the cookie jar with Ben's ashes in them.

Also the Byrdes did what they did so that they could leave that world behind and become "legit". The deal was made with Camilla to keep their mouths shut in exchange for being able to leave that all behind.

DP. But wouldn't they have had to continue working for Camilla? Or was it understood that Ruth would take over the casino operations/laundering? And I wonder what happened to Rachel now that Ruth is dead...

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Anonymous wrote:This season could have done fine without Wendy’s dad (John Boy Walton!) and the PI storyline.
Wasn’t it definitely the PI who was shot by Jonah? Didn’t he keel over? Not gonna rewatch it.
I just figure the Byrds are going to keep on Byrding with Camilla and Co.

I thought John Boy was amazing and would not have cut a second of him.

DP. He was amazingly vile. Though I thought he looked too young to be Wendy's dad.

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Anonymous wrote:Two random thoughts - first is pretty out there but what if Jonah just shot the container with the ashes all to pieces? PI still could have made trouble, but, knowing what he did about the Byrds, would have probably known he was a dead man and Byrds could have done away with any evidence..

The other is comments about the bad guys Byrds won. Knowing that Ruth was going to be killed and not being to stop it was horrifying to both of them. They were so elated before the gala, 24 more hours and we’re out, going home! Driving home after the gala, Marty and Wendy sat there not talking with tortured looks on their faces. No celebrating when they got back to the house. Then add Jonah (and Charlotte) finding out what happened to his uncle. They may have been able to get out and go legit. But they were never going to escape the horrors they had wrought.

All good points. And the kids didn't yet know that Ruth was dead - my feeling is that Jonah will hate Wendy even more once he realizes Ruth was killed. Not that it was Wendy's fault, but still... he was so resentful (and rightfully so) of all the bad things that lifestyle brought.

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Anonymous wrote:What was the point of the priest? He was so creepy and ominous when we first met him I thought he’d play some kind of role but he never did anything.

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And he kept trying to talk Marty and Wendy out of the "lifestyle"! As if they could possibly just get out and live normal lives.

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Anonymous wrote:This season could have done fine without Wendy’s dad (John Boy Walton!) and the PI storyline.
Wasn’t it definitely the PI who was shot by Jonah? Didn’t he keel over? Not gonna rewatch it.
I just figure the Byrds are going to keep on Byrding with Camilla and Co.

I thought John Boy was amazing and would not have cut a second of him.

DP. He was amazingly vile. Though I thought he looked too young to be Wendy's dad.

Yeah, he is 70 and she's almost 60 in real life, but she was definitely "playing" younger than her real life age. Plus she's a natural red head so she is going to look older with that pale, delicate skin.

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Anonymous wrote:The first 3 episodes of part 2 seemed to crawl - so slow. Then we get to the last episode and it felt very rushed.

It should have ended with the viewers seeing the broken glass at the Byrd's home and a silhouette the person's head who was waiting.

That ending would have been fantastic.

I thought it wouldn't have been bad if they all died in the car wreck.

I found it almost comical that they all walked away from that horrific car wreck with nary a scratch. I mean, SERIOUSLY??
DP

That was pretty unrealistic