Ozark season 4 is out today!

[Anonymous]

I cant see a way out of this for the Byrdes with Ruth dead.

She was supposed to launder the money in the casino. Now that shes dead, Camilla and the FBI would need Marty to do this.

I can get Jonah killing or hurting the PI. They were both so close to seeing a way back to a normal life that they would do anything. Also remember he was ready to kill Helen. In some ways he is desensitized to killing like they all are.

I thought it worked well.

[Anonymous]

The last season was just so bad. So many plot holes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The last season was just so bad. So many plot holes.

I don't think there were plot holes as such, but too many twists too fast.

[Anonymous]

The creator is not opposed to a sequel apparently. Please. NO.

[Anonymous]

Ruth’s fate was sealed when she made the decision to kill Javi. They really focused her coming to that decision. Fait accompli.

Personally, I would have been most satisfied with the parents dying in the crash - or at least Wendy. But seeing them all fight for each other at the end was fitting.

Phew. Thank god it’s over.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have questions!

How did Camilla have so much power, to order the hit on Navarro? I thought her power derived from the cartel members thinking she was relaying Navarro’s orders?

Also, my read of the ending was that the Byrdes are still under Camilla’s thumb, so not free of “the life” and maybe wven in more danger since Camilla is ruthless and sort of blames them by association in her son’s death. Do others agree?

Last, why would Jonah pivot from his feelings of betrayal towards his mother over his uncle’s murder, and then kill the one person who can bring justice for his uncle? That last point made zero sense.

Exactly on point about Jonah. He lived in a hotel to be away from his evil mother. He loved Buddy and his uncle. He was the only one in the family with a moral compass. Did not believe the ending for a minute. It was like it was written by a teenager. He would not have shot that cop for his mother. He wanted justice for his uncle. Ruth dying was just wrong. We needed someone to hope for. The ending was bleak.

It really was a hopeless ending. Byrdes didn’t escape the life, their kids are becoming like them, and Ruth - Ruth!, whose story amazingly had hope amd change post-Wyatt’s death, was ended.

I mean, ok, but similar to the Sopranos they were all in with drugs, the mob, and the cartel. Ruth included.

Ruth was ready to accept that the KC mob killed Darlene and Wyatt in revenge for Darlene killing the head of the KC mob. Heck, she was on her way out of town. She could not set aside her impulse control and need for revenge/justice once she learned otherwise. She knew she would always have to be looking over her shoulder.

As far as Jonah and Charlotte - when it turned out that their grandfather didn't really give a crap about them and only took on their mother because "F her!" they went back to what they know, which is their family. Is Wendy terrible and ruthless? Yes. Will Wendy also do whatever she needs to do to protect them? Also yes. Some jerkface PI is sitting in your backyard with your uncle's ashes telling you that he's going to destroy the one constant in your life. Probably not a hard choice for Jonah.

Jonah already had left his parents when he moved into that hotel. He thought independently and thought his mother was evil for killing her brother. The writers wanted us to believe he not only gave up but did a 180 and killed the one man wanting justice for his uncle. Don’t buy it- terrible ending.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have questions!

How did Camilla have so much power, to order the hit on Navarro? I thought her power derived from the cartel members thinking she was relaying Navarro’s orders?

Also, my read of the ending was that the Byrdes are still under Camilla’s thumb, so not free of “the life” and maybe wven in more danger since Camilla is ruthless and sort of blames them by association in her son’s death. Do others agree?

Last, why would Jonah pivot from his feelings of betrayal towards his mother over his uncle’s murder, and then kill the one person who can bring justice for his uncle? That last point made zero sense.

Exactly on point about Jonah. He lived in a hotel to be away from his evil mother. He loved Buddy and his uncle. He was the only one in the family with a moral compass. Did not believe the ending for a minute. It was like it was written by a teenager. He would not have shot that cop for his mother. He wanted justice for his uncle. Ruth dying was just wrong. We needed someone to hope for. The ending was bleak.

It really was a hopeless ending. Byrdes didn’t escape the life, their kids are becoming like them, and Ruth - Ruth!, whose story amazingly had hope amd change post-Wyatt’s death, was ended.

I mean, ok, but similar to the Sopranos they were all in with drugs, the mob, and the cartel. Ruth included.

Ruth was ready to accept that the KC mob killed Darlene and Wyatt in revenge for Darlene killing the head of the KC mob. Heck, she was on her way out of town. She could not set aside her impulse control and need for revenge/justice once she learned otherwise. She knew she would always have to be looking over her shoulder.

As far as Jonah and Charlotte - when it turned out that their grandfather didn't really give a crap about them and only took on their mother because "F her!" they went back to what they know, which is their family. Is Wendy terrible and ruthless? Yes. Will Wendy also do whatever she needs to do to protect them? Also yes. Some jerkface PI is sitting in your backyard with your uncle's ashes telling you that he's going to destroy the one constant in your life. Probably not a hard choice for Jonah.

Jonah already had left his parents when he moved into that hotel. He thought independently and thought his mother was evil for killing her brother. The writers wanted us to believe he not only gave up but did a 180 and killed the one man wanting justice for his uncle. Don’t buy it- terrible ending.

Jonah operates on the whim of a teenager, and he makes decisions based largely on emotions, rather than introspection. He lived at the motel as a f*ck you to Wendy. He told Ruth that it was Javi who killed Wyatt, when anyone with two brain cells knows that's the last thing you tell Ruth if you cared for her at all. When Wendy finally apologized for Ben's death and her role in it, it went a long way to take away his anger toward her. Then the car accident and almost losing his mom. Those events turned him around and emotionally he's a Byrd again.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This season could have done fine without Wendy’s dad (John Boy Walton!) and the PI storyline.
Wasn’t it definitely the PI who was shot by Jonah? Didn’t he keel over? Not gonna rewatch it.
I just figure the Byrds are going to keep on Byrding with Camilla and Co.

I thought John Boy was amazing and would not have cut a second of him.

Agreed. It helped explain Wendy's personality.

It does. When she uttered, 'I know I'm not easy to love!'. I was both disturbed and disgusted. LOL

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This season could have done fine without Wendy’s dad (John Boy Walton!) and the PI storyline.
Wasn’t it definitely the PI who was shot by Jonah? Didn’t he keel over? Not gonna rewatch it.
I just figure the Byrds are going to keep on Byrding with Camilla and Co.

I thought John Boy was amazing and would not have cut a second of him.

Agreed. It helped explain Wendy's personality.

He was also like her - flipping the charm and hatred on and off like hot and cold, drinking lots of vodka miniatures, etc.

[Anonymous]

I still have one last episode to go but why didn’t Wendy just tell her kids about her Dad’s abuse?????

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I still have one last episode to go but why didn’t Wendy just tell her kids about her Dad’s abuse?????

It doesn’t seem like the kids were oblivious to Wendy and Ben having a rough family life.
Wendy might not have been explicit but I didn’t get the impression that kids thought their grandfather was wonderful.
He probably still seemed like a better person to live with.

[Anonymous]

I wanted Ruth to live just so we could get a spin-off. Julie Garner is just so fun to watch in the role.

[Anonymous]

What was the point of the priest? He was so creepy and ominous when we first met him I thought he’d play some kind of role but he never did anything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What was the point of the priest? He was so creepy and ominous when we first met him I thought he’d play some kind of role but he never did anything.

They went heavy handed with religion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have questions!

How did Camilla have so much power, to order the hit on Navarro? I thought her power derived from the cartel members thinking she was relaying Navarro’s orders?

Also, my read of the ending was that the Byrdes are still under Camilla’s thumb, so not free of “the life” and maybe wven in more danger since Camilla is ruthless and sort of blames them by association in her son’s death. Do others agree?

Last, why would Jonah pivot from his feelings of betrayal towards his mother over his uncle’s murder, and then kill the one person who can bring justice for his uncle? That last point made zero sense.

Exactly on point about Jonah. He lived in a hotel to be away from his evil mother. He loved Buddy and his uncle. He was the only one in the family with a moral compass. Did not believe the ending for a minute. It was like it was written by a teenager. He would not have shot that cop for his mother. He wanted justice for his uncle. Ruth dying was just wrong. We needed someone to hope for. The ending was bleak.

It really was a hopeless ending. Byrdes didn’t escape the life, their kids are becoming like them, and Ruth - Ruth!, whose story amazingly had hope amd change post-Wyatt’s death, was ended.

I mean, ok, but similar to the Sopranos they were all in with drugs, the mob, and the cartel. Ruth included.

Ruth was ready to accept that the KC mob killed Darlene and Wyatt in revenge for Darlene killing the head of the KC mob. Heck, she was on her way out of town. She could not set aside her impulse control and need for revenge/justice once she learned otherwise. She knew she would always have to be looking over her shoulder.

As far as Jonah and Charlotte - when it turned out that their grandfather didn't really give a crap about them and only took on their mother because "F her!" they went back to what they know, which is their family. Is Wendy terrible and ruthless? Yes. Will Wendy also do whatever she needs to do to protect them? Also yes. Some jerkface PI is sitting in your backyard with your uncle's ashes telling you that he's going to destroy the one constant in your life. Probably not a hard choice for Jonah.

Jonah already had left his parents when he moved into that hotel. He thought independently and thought his mother was evil for killing her brother. The writers wanted us to believe he not only gave up but did a 180 and killed the one man wanting justice for his uncle. Don’t buy it- terrible ending.

Jonah operates on the whim of a teenager, and he makes decisions based largely on emotions, rather than introspection. He lived at the motel as a f*ck you to Wendy. He told Ruth that it was Javi who killed Wyatt, when anyone with two brain cells knows that's the last thing you tell Ruth if you cared for her at all. When Wendy finally apologized for Ben's death and her role in it, it went a long way to take away his anger toward her. Then the car accident and almost losing his mom. Those events turned him around and emotionally he's a Byrd again.

Jonah was never an ordinary teenager. He was different from the very beginning.