Smart Restart APS- ventilation studies

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah. My money is on APS not having a clue on this. They were going to buy ionizers for god sake.

Ionizers???

Ionizers produce Ozone, Ozone is harmful on the ground level.

Yeah. Ionizers. No lie. Til the ventilation lady stepped in.APS is not on top of this at all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:APS needed a push from both APE and Smart Restart.

APS would never reopen if they kept relying on how teachers "feel" about safety rather than actual data. The pressure from APE gave APS a necessary kick in the butt.

APS also had vastly underprepared for how they were going to keep kids safe. APS's temperature scans and hand washing are fine, but only help at the margins. Better ventilation and outdoor lunch materially reduce risk. Smart Restart is only off the deep end in that they think that perfect ventilation is necessary for reopening (and that they are off-puttingly zealous in how they present themselves). I appreciate that we'll now have good air filters in the classroom for reopening and I support the notion that we should keep working to improve ventilation for a full reopening in the fall.

I also strongly disagree with people on this thread that APS is now suddenly an expert in pandemic safety mitigation. APS is run by educators, not scientists. The CDC and other government guidelines were basically useless for most of the pandemic. There is also a significant proportion of APS administration who don't believe that kids catch and transmit Covid, and another portion who are more focused on social issues than getting kids an education. APS needed all of the help they could get, and probably more.

Careful now, you're about to bring reason into this conversation. But I couldn't agree more.

+2. I really wish I could switch places with one of those Smart Restart parents for just a day. Of my three children, two are doing fine, one has even elected to remain DL. But one of my children is failing everything. His/her life will be forever impacted by this pause in education at a crucial time in life. Those SR parents obviously aren't facing this situation and have no empathy for those of us who are.

Honestly. People are in difficult circumstances. Everyone knows that. Unfortunately, empathy won’t keep my kids safe from the virus. I’d like them to go to school. But 300-400 kids in a middle and a high school at one time requires a lot of safety planning APS isn’t doing. I can be empathetic but that doesn’t change the need for best safety practices. APE and the like have never understood this. They or their kids need to go to school NOW so anyone advOcating for safety measures is a crazy person getting in their way. Insert anecdotal story about cousin in GA or FL or TX. Nope. It doesn’t work that way. We have CDC guidance and best practices. Serious people take that seriously. Decision makers responsible fir the health and safety of 30,000 need to take that seriously. Even if you don’t. Safety trumps empathy. So very tired of people advocating for their current individual need vs. actual best practices. Thank gid for Smart Restart.

x1000 We are other parents who feel exactly the same way.

In some situations safety trumps empathy. But unattainable safety and absolute zero risk do not.

Exactly. Everyone knows that there is some risk, but it isn't nearly as bad as Smart Restart indicates -- AND THEY CAN KEEP THEIR KIDS AT HOME.

This isn’t about my personal threshold for kids’ safety. Or yours. It’s about CDC guidelines for safe reopening. For all kids. We’re not meeting them for middle and jig school.

[Anonymous]

I'm just going to reiterate my point from 6 pages ago that nobody listened to that it might not be the worst thing in the world if APS sent some kids back 2 days per week under the current safety conditions (perhaps inadequate ventilation and inadequate cohorting efforts) as long as teachers have been vaccinated.

Parents who have kids who are desperate to be in school for mental health or other reasons can send their kids in. Their situation is dire enough that they need to go.

Everybody else -- KEEP YOUR KIDS HOME. Wait til APS makes things safer and work on making APS make things fit all the guidelines. Maybe you don't need this first round the most, just like the vacinnation shots that get administered in tiers according to need. Keep your kids home and stay virtual, but if John is having a mental health crisis, don't delay his ability to get to human beings at a school and get better support than he can receive at home.

Not everybody needs to get their solution at the same time. Some kids need school now. Let them go and keep your own kids safe.

I say this as a parent who will be keeping her own kids home until I feel it's safe.

But if few enough of us send our kids back, it really WILL be safe for those kids. There will be adequate spacing and they will be masked and there will be less of a chance of them getting sick during lunch. Only the desperate kids should go, but for God's sake let the desperate kids go.

[Anonymous]

I'm PP above and I don't think we will send our kids back until next fall at the earliest. But some kids even in middle and high school really do need intervention now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why does no one question this bully? Her only credentials seem to be that she is loud, long-winded and creates colorful charts. She is a graphic artist and appears to have not been in the workforce for years, except for her invitation-making business.

I agree. I find it very strange that not only is the graphic artist is getting away with this but that so many are going along with it. There are a few in the group who are getting so much bizarre adulation from the others that it just feeds them to keep going, increasing their perceived self-importance and some people’s paralyzing fear about the pandemic. The whole situation is nuts. It’d make a good research project for a psychology class.

She has been advocating for good air quality/ventilation for months. A key factor for the transmission of this virus. I don’t get why this is an actual *problem* for some people.

WTF have you done - aside from bullying people?

Because it already exists. And it amazes me that educated people don't get that. People in some slightly older buildings with no upgrades have been working for months.
If the ventilation in modern buildings was an issue, then these workplaces would literally have been wiped out and had to close.
But that didn't happen.

What she wants is above and beyond the needed. And what does that translate to? Maybe a .0005% benefit? Who knows? She certainly doesn't know.

Please show the data that all APS classrooms meet the 4-6 ACH threshold.

Maybe those who think it's "safe enough now" can have their kids go the classrooms where the indoor air quality is unknown or where it's below the safe threshold.

They can send their kids to the windowless rooms with no air filters.

[Anonymous]

Thank you. I feel heard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:APS needed a push from both APE and Smart Restart.

APS would never reopen if they kept relying on how teachers "feel" about safety rather than actual data. The pressure from APE gave APS a necessary kick in the butt.

APS also had vastly underprepared for how they were going to keep kids safe. APS's temperature scans and hand washing are fine, but only help at the margins. Better ventilation and outdoor lunch materially reduce risk. Smart Restart is only off the deep end in that they think that perfect ventilation is necessary for reopening (and that they are off-puttingly zealous in how they present themselves). I appreciate that we'll now have good air filters in the classroom for reopening and I support the notion that we should keep working to improve ventilation for a full reopening in the fall.

I also strongly disagree with people on this thread that APS is now suddenly an expert in pandemic safety mitigation. APS is run by educators, not scientists. The CDC and other government guidelines were basically useless for most of the pandemic. There is also a significant proportion of APS administration who don't believe that kids catch and transmit Covid, and another portion who are more focused on social issues than getting kids an education. APS needed all of the help they could get, and probably more.

Careful now, you're about to bring reason into this conversation. But I couldn't agree more.

+2. I really wish I could switch places with one of those Smart Restart parents for just a day. Of my three children, two are doing fine, one has even elected to remain DL. But one of my children is failing everything. His/her life will be forever impacted by this pause in education at a crucial time in life. Those SR parents obviously aren't facing this situation and have no empathy for those of us who are.

Honestly. People are in difficult circumstances. Everyone knows that. Unfortunately, empathy won’t keep my kids safe from the virus. I’d like them to go to school. But 300-400 kids in a middle and a high school at one time requires a lot of safety planning APS isn’t doing. I can be empathetic but that doesn’t change the need for best safety practices. APE and the like have never understood this. They or their kids need to go to school NOW so anyone advOcating for safety measures is a crazy person getting in their way. Insert anecdotal story about cousin in GA or FL or TX. Nope. It doesn’t work that way. We have CDC guidance and best practices. Serious people take that seriously. Decision makers responsible fir the health and safety of 30,000 need to take that seriously. Even if you don’t. Safety trumps empathy. So very tired of people advocating for their current individual need vs. actual best practices. Thank gid for Smart Restart.

x1000 We are other parents who feel exactly the same way.

In some situations safety trumps empathy. But unattainable safety and absolute zero risk do not.

Exactly. Everyone knows that there is some risk, but it isn't nearly as bad as Smart Restart indicates -- AND THEY CAN KEEP THEIR KIDS AT HOME.

Maybe not, but they are highlighting some risks, like indoor lunch, that parents may not have focused on before. I'm grateful for whatever safety changes they can help make happen.

Exactly. And they are pushing APS to be transparent about ventilation, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why does no one question this bully? Her only credentials seem to be that she is loud, long-winded and creates colorful charts. She is a graphic artist and appears to have not been in the workforce for years, except for her invitation-making business.

I agree. I find it very strange that not only is the graphic artist is getting away with this but that so many are going along with it. There are a few in the group who are getting so much bizarre adulation from the others that it just feeds them to keep going, increasing their perceived self-importance and some people’s paralyzing fear about the pandemic. The whole situation is nuts. It’d make a good research project for a psychology class.

She has been advocating for good air quality/ventilation for months. A key factor for the transmission of this virus. I don’t get why this is an actual *problem* for some people.

WTF have you done - aside from bullying people?

Because it already exists. And it amazes me that educated people don't get that. People in some slightly older buildings with no upgrades have been working for months.
If the ventilation in modern buildings was an issue, then these workplaces would literally have been wiped out and had to close.
But that didn't happen.

What she wants is above and beyond the needed. And what does that translate to? Maybe a .0005% benefit? Who knows? She certainly doesn't know.

Please show the data that all APS classrooms meet the 4-6 ACH threshold.

Maybe those who think it's "safe enough now" can have their kids go the classrooms where the indoor air quality is unknown or where it's below the safe threshold.

They can send their kids to the windowless rooms with no air filters.

Jesus, you’re a piece of work. Glad this is all about “winning” to you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm just going to reiterate my point from 6 pages ago that nobody listened to that it might not be the worst thing in the world if APS sent some kids back 2 days per week under the current safety conditions (perhaps inadequate ventilation and inadequate cohorting efforts) as long as teachers have been vaccinated.

Parents who have kids who are desperate to be in school for mental health or other reasons can send their kids in. Their situation is dire enough that they need to go.

Everybody else -- KEEP YOUR KIDS HOME. Wait til APS makes things safer and work on making APS make things fit all the guidelines. Maybe you don't need this first round the most, just like the vacinnation shots that get administered in tiers according to need. Keep your kids home and stay virtual, but if John is having a mental health crisis, don't delay his ability to get to human beings at a school and get better support than he can receive at home.

Not everybody needs to get their solution at the same time. Some kids need school now. Let them go and keep your own kids safe.

I say this as a parent who will be keeping her own kids home until I feel it's safe.

But if few enough of us send our kids back, it really WILL be safe for those kids. There will be adequate spacing and they will be masked and there will be less of a chance of them getting sick during lunch. Only the desperate kids should go, but for God's sake let the desperate kids go.

Have you been hiding under a rock? They are going back. ??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why does no one question this bully? Her only credentials seem to be that she is loud, long-winded and creates colorful charts. She is a graphic artist and appears to have not been in the workforce for years, except for her invitation-making business.

I agree. I find it very strange that not only is the graphic artist is getting away with this but that so many are going along with it. There are a few in the group who are getting so much bizarre adulation from the others that it just feeds them to keep going, increasing their perceived self-importance and some people’s paralyzing fear about the pandemic. The whole situation is nuts. It’d make a good research project for a psychology class.

She has been advocating for good air quality/ventilation for months. A key factor for the transmission of this virus. I don’t get why this is an actual *problem* for some people.

WTF have you done - aside from bullying people?

Because it already exists. And it amazes me that educated people don't get that. People in some slightly older buildings with no upgrades have been working for months.
If the ventilation in modern buildings was an issue, then these workplaces would literally have been wiped out and had to close.
But that didn't happen.

What she wants is above and beyond the needed. And what does that translate to? Maybe a .0005% benefit? Who knows? She certainly doesn't know.

Please show the data that all APS classrooms meet the 4-6 ACH threshold.

Maybe those who think it's "safe enough now" can have their kids go the classrooms where the indoor air quality is unknown or where it's below the safe threshold.

They can send their kids to the windowless rooms with no air filters.

Jesus, you’re a piece of work. Glad this is all about “winning” to you.

Actually I do think we should push APS to make all classrooms safe for return in March. But you do you. You DGAF about ventilation? I’m not going to try to convince you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why does no one question this bully? Her only credentials seem to be that she is loud, long-winded and creates colorful charts. She is a graphic artist and appears to have not been in the workforce for years, except for her invitation-making business.

I agree. I find it very strange that not only is the graphic artist is getting away with this but that so many are going along with it. There are a few in the group who are getting so much bizarre adulation from the others that it just feeds them to keep going, increasing their perceived self-importance and some people’s paralyzing fear about the pandemic. The whole situation is nuts. It’d make a good research project for a psychology class.

She has been advocating for good air quality/ventilation for months. A key factor for the transmission of this virus. I don’t get why this is an actual *problem* for some people.

WTF have you done - aside from bullying people?

Because it already exists. And it amazes me that educated people don't get that. People in some slightly older buildings with no upgrades have been working for months.
If the ventilation in modern buildings was an issue, then these workplaces would literally have been wiped out and had to close.
But that didn't happen.

What she wants is above and beyond the needed. And what does that translate to? Maybe a .0005% benefit? Who knows? She certainly doesn't know.

Please show the data that all APS classrooms meet the 4-6 ACH threshold.

Maybe those who think it's "safe enough now" can have their kids go the classrooms where the indoor air quality is unknown or where it's below the safe threshold.

They can send their kids to the windowless rooms with no air filters.

Jesus, you’re a piece of work. Glad this is all about “winning” to you.

Actually I do think we should push APS to make all classrooms safe for return in March. But you do you. You DGAF about ventilation? I’m not going to try to convince you.

No, I’m saying you’re a piece of shit for wishing harm on children. But you do you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm just going to reiterate my point from 6 pages ago that nobody listened to that it might not be the worst thing in the world if APS sent some kids back 2 days per week under the current safety conditions (perhaps inadequate ventilation and inadequate cohorting efforts) as long as teachers have been vaccinated.

Parents who have kids who are desperate to be in school for mental health or other reasons can send their kids in. Their situation is dire enough that they need to go.

Everybody else -- KEEP YOUR KIDS HOME. Wait til APS makes things safer and work on making APS make things fit all the guidelines. Maybe you don't need this first round the most, just like the vacinnation shots that get administered in tiers according to need. Keep your kids home and stay virtual, but if John is having a mental health crisis, don't delay his ability to get to human beings at a school and get better support than he can receive at home.

Not everybody needs to get their solution at the same time. Some kids need school now. Let them go and keep your own kids safe.

I say this as a parent who will be keeping her own kids home until I feel it's safe.

But if few enough of us send our kids back, it really WILL be safe for those kids. There will be adequate spacing and they will be masked and there will be less of a chance of them getting sick during lunch. Only the desperate kids should go, but for God's sake let the desperate kids go.

Have you been hiding under a rock? They are going back. ??

Have you been reading this thread? Some people here are arguing that nobody should be going back under the dates S. Durand has set until every school meets the CDC guidelines (or other) for ventilation, cohorts, lunch arrangements, etc. I'm saying we should work toward this in general but don't push back these dates to make things perfect (as long as teachers are vaccinated) and let kids who really NEED to go, go. If only the kids who really need it go, they will be safe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is this the nutso wendy woman

1. You are rude.
2. You are mean.
3. You are assuming gender.
4. You are offensive.
5. You did not get laid in three years.
6. It is Valentine's Day, it must be especially hard.
7. I forgive you.
8. Peace.

I guess the answer to the PP’s question is yes 😅

[Anonymous]

No, the CDC guidelines don’t specify ventilation. What it specified is that in areas of “highest risk” of spread, which is the current situation, sending adolescents back who have been shown to spread the virus with the same efficiency as adults is unwise without a testing plan.

No one is saying never send them back. We are saying APS needs to follow CDC guidelines. Covid hasn’t gone away and student safety is still an issue. I want your kids to be safe. I want mine safe. I want to kids at Wakefield and HB to be safe. There needs to be testing or they need to hold secondary return for a few weeks until case numbers come down. Which they will as a result of the vaccination effort.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No, the CDC guidelines don’t specify ventilation. What it specified is that in areas of “highest risk” of spread, which is the current situation, sending adolescents back who have been shown to spread the virus with the same efficiency as adults is unwise without a testing plan.

No one is saying never send them back. We are saying APS needs to follow CDC guidelines. Covid hasn’t gone away and student safety is still an issue. I want your kids to be safe. I want mine safe. I want to kids at Wakefield and HB to be safe. There needs to be testing or they need to hold secondary return for a few weeks until case numbers come down. Which they will as a result of the vaccination effort.

Yes! Intelligent life still exists in Arlington. You read CDC guidance and propose following it. Amazing. Thank you. Thought I was alone in the universe. I’m writing to SB and Duran. Please do the same.