Smart Restart APS- ventilation studies

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Anonymous wrote:To the PP above--coincidence that APS called in a real expert to pacify APS parents who veered WAY out of their lane (and who basically said they were already doing just fine)? No, it's how APS does things--using their resources to please the (mainly white, wealthy) parents who scream the loudest.

Really? I hadn't heard that. I thought they came up with a list of action items (similar to SR's list).

Link to the expert's findings?

They spoke w Joseph Allen from Harvard. This was in either Duran’s update or the slides from the SB meeting.

And not in reply to your question but some of the other PPs, there are SR people pulling their kids from APS, so there are parents on all sides of this who should sit down. Those of us who are suffering through a year from hell and have no money to do anything but stay along for the ride should get to have a turn to say what we want for our kids.

But other experts are recommending at least 5 air changes per hour, including the epidemiologist from here in Arlington. Even though Dr Allen has said 4-6 is enough, he apparently also wrote that schools should be aiming for 5. So why is that Joseph Allen is the end all and be all to APS? I’ve seen that air quality chart and it says that 4 air changes is good but also the bare minimum, and not all rooms are even at that level. How is that acceptable to people?

The same way it acceptable at Giant, Target, and so on. No one really cares. That is the answer. You don’t care. You are just a teacher who doesn’t want to go back to the classroom and will grasp at any straw.

Wow. I’m not a teacher. Just a parent with a heart.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To the PP above--coincidence that APS called in a real expert to pacify APS parents who veered WAY out of their lane (and who basically said they were already doing just fine)? No, it's how APS does things--using their resources to please the (mainly white, wealthy) parents who scream the loudest.

You mean those parents AREN’T air quality experts and were just playing with data without knowing what they were doing? Who saw that coming?

Honestly that's such a crappy comment. Whether they are or are not experts, they have raised awareness about some safety issues. My kid goes to Wakefield and I had no idea that over 90 rooms there has bad air quality. I'm glad they're putting information out there. And who is seriously against anyone trying to get better air quality? I really don't understand that. APS clearly is not staying closed until the air gets fixed, so who loses by APS putting in more air filters?

THIS! Where is APE's outrage that APS isn't putting air filters in rooms with low occupancy, which often are special education rooms or English learner rooms? Isn't APE trying to position itself as the pro-SPED group? (Although we all really know that they are using the special education population as a means to get everyone back. Pathetic.)

APE is the one that got experts involved at APS. I am super impressed by all their advocacy. I learn more on their Facebook page and newsletter than anywhere else. It’s sort of what AEM used to be but more accepting. Of course there’s a crazy loon or two that you have to ignore.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To the PP above--coincidence that APS called in a real expert to pacify APS parents who veered WAY out of their lane (and who basically said they were already doing just fine)? No, it's how APS does things--using their resources to please the (mainly white, wealthy) parents who scream the loudest.

You mean those parents AREN’T air quality experts and were just playing with data without knowing what they were doing? Who saw that coming?

Honestly that's such a crappy comment. Whether they are or are not experts, they have raised awareness about some safety issues. My kid goes to Wakefield and I had no idea that over 90 rooms there has bad air quality. I'm glad they're putting information out there. And who is seriously against anyone trying to get better air quality? I really don't understand that. APS clearly is not staying closed until the air gets fixed, so who loses by APS putting in more air filters?

THIS! Where is APE's outrage that APS isn't putting air filters in rooms with low occupancy, which often are special education rooms or English learner rooms? Isn't APE trying to position itself as the pro-SPED group? (Although we all really know that they are using the special education population as a means to get everyone back. Pathetic.)

APE is the one that got experts involved at APS. I am super impressed by all their advocacy. I learn more on their Facebook page and newsletter than anywhere else. It’s sort of what AEM used to be but more accepting. Of course there’s a crazy loon or two that you have to ignore.

Hahaha! This is the funniest thing I’ve read in a long time. Well played, EHN, well played.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To the PP above--coincidence that APS called in a real expert to pacify APS parents who veered WAY out of their lane (and who basically said they were already doing just fine)? No, it's how APS does things--using their resources to please the (mainly white, wealthy) parents who scream the loudest.

You mean those parents AREN’T air quality experts and were just playing with data without knowing what they were doing? Who saw that coming?

Honestly that's such a crappy comment. Whether they are or are not experts, they have raised awareness about some safety issues. My kid goes to Wakefield and I had no idea that over 90 rooms there has bad air quality. I'm glad they're putting information out there. And who is seriously against anyone trying to get better air quality? I really don't understand that. APS clearly is not staying closed until the air gets fixed, so who loses by APS putting in more air filters?

THIS! Where is APE's outrage that APS isn't putting air filters in rooms with low occupancy, which often are special education rooms or English learner rooms? Isn't APE trying to position itself as the pro-SPED group? (Although we all really know that they are using the special education population as a means to get everyone back. Pathetic.)

APE is the one that got experts involved at APS. I am super impressed by all their advocacy. I learn more on their Facebook page and newsletter than anywhere else. It’s sort of what AEM used to be but more accepting. Of course there’s a crazy loon or two that you have to ignore.

They are not accepting if you disagree with anything they say.

- Signed someone who has disagreed with them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To the PP above--coincidence that APS called in a real expert to pacify APS parents who veered WAY out of their lane (and who basically said they were already doing just fine)? No, it's how APS does things--using their resources to please the (mainly white, wealthy) parents who scream the loudest.

Really? I hadn't heard that. I thought they came up with a list of action items (similar to SR's list).

Link to the expert's findings?

They spoke w Joseph Allen from Harvard. This was in either Duran’s update or the slides from the SB meeting.

And not in reply to your question but some of the other PPs, there are SR people pulling their kids from APS, so there are parents on all sides of this who should sit down. Those of us who are suffering through a year from hell and have no money to do anything but stay along for the ride should get to have a turn to say what we want for our kids.

But other experts are recommending at least 5 air changes per hour, including the epidemiologist from here in Arlington. Even though Dr Allen has said 4-6 is enough, he apparently also wrote that schools should be aiming for 5. So why is that Joseph Allen is the end all and be all to APS? I’ve seen that air quality chart and it says that 4 air changes is good but also the bare minimum, and not all rooms are even at that level. How is that acceptable to people?

The same way it acceptable at Giant, Target, and so on. No one really cares. That is the answer. You don’t care. You are just a teacher who doesn’t want to go back to the classroom and will grasp at any straw.

WTF is wrong with you?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To the PP above--coincidence that APS called in a real expert to pacify APS parents who veered WAY out of their lane (and who basically said they were already doing just fine)? No, it's how APS does things--using their resources to please the (mainly white, wealthy) parents who scream the loudest.

You mean those parents AREN’T air quality experts and were just playing with data without knowing what they were doing? Who saw that coming?

Honestly that's such a crappy comment. Whether they are or are not experts, they have raised awareness about some safety issues. My kid goes to Wakefield and I had no idea that over 90 rooms there has bad air quality. I'm glad they're putting information out there. And who is seriously against anyone trying to get better air quality? I really don't understand that. APS clearly is not staying closed until the air gets fixed, so who loses by APS putting in more air filters?

THIS! Where is APE's outrage that APS isn't putting air filters in rooms with low occupancy, which often are special education rooms or English learner rooms? Isn't APE trying to position itself as the pro-SPED group? (Although we all really know that they are using the special education population as a means to get everyone back. Pathetic.)

APE is the one that got experts involved at APS. I am super impressed by all their advocacy. I learn more on their Facebook page and newsletter than anywhere else. It’s sort of what AEM used to be but more accepting. Of course there’s a crazy loon or two that you have to ignore.

Which experts?

Are there a lot of teachers in the group?

[Anonymous]

Frank shared that APS finally calculated the ACH **last week**.

What the heck? I calculated that for my own home last fall when we were looking at options for our unit at home. I’m just a random homeowner with a family of four, not responsible for the health of thousands of students.

How on earth did APS put this off until now?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To the PP above--coincidence that APS called in a real expert to pacify APS parents who veered WAY out of their lane (and who basically said they were already doing just fine)? No, it's how APS does things--using their resources to please the (mainly white, wealthy) parents who scream the loudest.

You mean those parents AREN’T air quality experts and were just playing with data without knowing what they were doing? Who saw that coming?

Honestly that's such a crappy comment. Whether they are or are not experts, they have raised awareness about some safety issues. My kid goes to Wakefield and I had no idea that over 90 rooms there has bad air quality. I'm glad they're putting information out there. And who is seriously against anyone trying to get better air quality? I really don't understand that. APS clearly is not staying closed until the air gets fixed, so who loses by APS putting in more air filters?

THIS! Where is APE's outrage that APS isn't putting air filters in rooms with low occupancy, which often are special education rooms or English learner rooms? Isn't APE trying to position itself as the pro-SPED group? (Although we all really know that they are using the special education population as a means to get everyone back. Pathetic.)

APE will exploit any and all groups it can.

What they won't do it is push for measures to help the schools open safely ASAP.

WRONG - APE has followed and supported the CDC and VDOE guidelines for a safe reopening. Just because APE didn't look for reasons to delay the re-opening or try to create a panic amongst families doesn't mean they don't care about safety. They are just not obnoxious and fear-mongering as the other groups.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To the PP above--coincidence that APS called in a real expert to pacify APS parents who veered WAY out of their lane (and who basically said they were already doing just fine)? No, it's how APS does things--using their resources to please the (mainly white, wealthy) parents who scream the loudest.

You mean those parents AREN’T air quality experts and were just playing with data without knowing what they were doing? Who saw that coming?

Honestly that's such a crappy comment. Whether they are or are not experts, they have raised awareness about some safety issues. My kid goes to Wakefield and I had no idea that over 90 rooms there has bad air quality. I'm glad they're putting information out there. And who is seriously against anyone trying to get better air quality? I really don't understand that. APS clearly is not staying closed until the air gets fixed, so who loses by APS putting in more air filters?

THIS! Where is APE's outrage that APS isn't putting air filters in rooms with low occupancy, which often are special education rooms or English learner rooms? Isn't APE trying to position itself as the pro-SPED group? (Although we all really know that they are using the special education population as a means to get everyone back. Pathetic.)

APE will exploit any and all groups it can.

What they won't do it is push for measures to help the schools open safely ASAP.

WRONG - APE has followed and supported the CDC and VDOE guidelines for a safe reopening. Just because APE didn't look for reasons to delay the re-opening or try to create a panic amongst families doesn't mean they don't care about safety. They are just not obnoxious and fear-mongering as the other groups.

Yes. You can support schools re-opening and not hold re-opening hostage to your own hysterical home grown data analyses.

And, APE generally is tolerant and accepting of multiple viewpoints given their "big tent" approach, even when it returns to them in the form of a headache courtesy of the handful of nut balls that are in the group.

There are teachers in the group. There are a number of parents who are various types of medical professionals in the group. Other than the few nut jobs, you don't see them posting like lunatics in all caps with ridiculously long narratives and unclear and withheld data.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To the PP above--coincidence that APS called in a real expert to pacify APS parents who veered WAY out of their lane (and who basically said they were already doing just fine)? No, it's how APS does things--using their resources to please the (mainly white, wealthy) parents who scream the loudest.

Really? I hadn't heard that. I thought they came up with a list of action items (similar to SR's list).

Link to the expert's findings?

They spoke w Joseph Allen from Harvard. This was in either Duran’s update or the slides from the SB meeting.

And not in reply to your question but some of the other PPs, there are SR people pulling their kids from APS, so there are parents on all sides of this who should sit down. Those of us who are suffering through a year from hell and have no money to do anything but stay along for the ride should get to have a turn to say what we want for our kids.

But other experts are recommending at least 5 air changes per hour, including the epidemiologist from here in Arlington. Even though Dr Allen has said 4-6 is enough, he apparently also wrote that schools should be aiming for 5. So why is that Joseph Allen is the end all and be all to APS? I’ve seen that air quality chart and it says that 4 air changes is good but also the bare minimum, and not all rooms are even at that level. How is that acceptable to people?

The same way it acceptable at Giant, Target, and so on. No one really cares. That is the answer. You don’t care. You are just a teacher who doesn’t want to go back to the classroom and will grasp at any straw.

This exactly. Our daycare, which is in a 1950s style cape cod converted house and hosts about 30 kids and 11 staff did not get any fancy hvac or air filter updates. They take care of kids who cannot social distance or wear masks due to age. They opened in June without a vaccine. They eat lunch inside. There have been no cases of COVID at all since June. And don't even come at me with "you can't compare the two", because I am beyond tired of people shooting down every example just because it's not 100% equivalent. There are countless public schools open around the country, so, talk to me about those equivalents. I just use an example of a place operating in the very same Arlington COVID metrics without all of the demands that are being imposed on APS, and managing to do it safely.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To the PP above--coincidence that APS called in a real expert to pacify APS parents who veered WAY out of their lane (and who basically said they were already doing just fine)? No, it's how APS does things--using their resources to please the (mainly white, wealthy) parents who scream the loudest.

You mean those parents AREN’T air quality experts and were just playing with data without knowing what they were doing? Who saw that coming?

Honestly that's such a crappy comment. Whether they are or are not experts, they have raised awareness about some safety issues. My kid goes to Wakefield and I had no idea that over 90 rooms there has bad air quality. I'm glad they're putting information out there. And who is seriously against anyone trying to get better air quality? I really don't understand that. APS clearly is not staying closed until the air gets fixed, so who loses by APS putting in more air filters?

THIS! Where is APE's outrage that APS isn't putting air filters in rooms with low occupancy, which often are special education rooms or English learner rooms? Isn't APE trying to position itself as the pro-SPED group? (Although we all really know that they are using the special education population as a means to get everyone back. Pathetic.)

APE will exploit any and all groups it can.

What they won't do it is push for measures to help the schools open safely ASAP.

WRONG - APE has followed and supported the CDC and VDOE guidelines for a safe reopening. Just because APE didn't look for reasons to delay the re-opening or try to create a panic amongst families doesn't mean they don't care about safety. They are just not obnoxious and fear-mongering as the other groups.

Yes. You can support schools re-opening and not hold re-opening hostage to your own hysterical home grown data analyses.

And, APE generally is tolerant and accepting of multiple viewpoints given their "big tent" approach, even when it returns to them in the form of a headache courtesy of the handful of nut balls that are in the group.

There are teachers in the group. There are a number of parents who are various types of medical professionals in the group. Other than the few nut jobs, you don't see them posting like lunatics in all caps with ridiculously long narratives and unclear and withheld data.

You sound totally rational.