Smart Restart APS- ventilation studies

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Anonymous wrote:Why does no one question this bully? Her only credentials seem to be that she is loud, long-winded and creates colorful charts. She is a graphic artist and appears to have not been in the workforce for years, except for her invitation-making business.

I agree. I find it very strange that not only is the graphic artist is getting away with this but that so many are going along with it. There are a few in the group who are getting so much bizarre adulation from the others that it just feeds them to keep going, increasing their perceived self-importance and some people’s paralyzing fear about the pandemic. The whole situation is nuts. It’d make a good research project for a psychology class.

She has been advocating for good air quality/ventilation for months. A key factor for the transmission of this virus. I don’t get why this is an actual *problem* for some people.

WTF have you done - aside from bullying people?

Because it already exists. And it amazes me that educated people don't get that. People in some slightly older buildings with no upgrades have been working for months.
If the ventilation in modern buildings was an issue, then these workplaces would literally have been wiped out and had to close.
But that didn't happen.

What she wants is above and beyond the needed. And what does that translate to? Maybe a .0005% benefit? Who knows? She certainly doesn't know.

Please show the data that all APS classrooms meet the 4-6 ACH threshold.

Maybe those who think it's "safe enough now" can have their kids go the classrooms where the indoor air quality is unknown or where it's below the safe threshold.

They can send their kids to the windowless rooms with no air filters.

Jesus, you’re a piece of work. Glad this is all about “winning” to you.

Actually I do think we should push APS to make all classrooms safe for return in March. But you do you. You DGAF about ventilation? I’m not going to try to convince you.

No, I’m saying you’re a piece of shit for wishing harm on children. But you do you.

Oh so you do think kids need adequate ventilation...shocker.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm just going to reiterate my point from 6 pages ago that nobody listened to that it might not be the worst thing in the world if APS sent some kids back 2 days per week under the current safety conditions (perhaps inadequate ventilation and inadequate cohorting efforts) as long as teachers have been vaccinated.

Parents who have kids who are desperate to be in school for mental health or other reasons can send their kids in. Their situation is dire enough that they need to go.

Everybody else -- KEEP YOUR KIDS HOME. Wait til APS makes things safer and work on making APS make things fit all the guidelines. Maybe you don't need this first round the most, just like the vacinnation shots that get administered in tiers according to need. Keep your kids home and stay virtual, but if John is having a mental health crisis, don't delay his ability to get to human beings at a school and get better support than he can receive at home.

Not everybody needs to get their solution at the same time. Some kids need school now. Let them go and keep your own kids safe.

I say this as a parent who will be keeping her own kids home until I feel it's safe.

But if few enough of us send our kids back, it really WILL be safe for those kids. There will be adequate spacing and they will be masked and there will be less of a chance of them getting sick during lunch. Only the desperate kids should go, but for God's sake let the desperate kids go.

Have you been hiding under a rock? They are going back. ??

Have you been reading this thread? Some people here are arguing that nobody should be going back under the dates S. Durand has set until every school meets the CDC guidelines (or other) for ventilation, cohorts, lunch arrangements, etc. I'm saying we should work toward this in general but don't push back these dates to make things perfect (as long as teachers are vaccinated) and let kids who really NEED to go, go. If only the kids who really need it go, they will be safe.

I’ll let you in on a secret - people on this thread don’t get to decide when kids go back.

I think all kids should go back in March - and we should take care of a few basics to make it safe. Don’t eat in 100+ cafeterias. And add air filters to all classrooms.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No, the CDC guidelines don’t specify ventilation. What it specified is that in areas of “highest risk” of spread, which is the current situation, sending adolescents back who have been shown to spread the virus with the same efficiency as adults is unwise without a testing plan.

No one is saying never send them back. We are saying APS needs to follow CDC guidelines. Covid hasn’t gone away and student safety is still an issue. I want your kids to be safe. I want mine safe. I want to kids at Wakefield and HB to be safe. There needs to be testing or they need to hold secondary return for a few weeks until case numbers come down. Which they will as a result of the vaccination effort.

The CDC guidelines do not mention ventilation nearly enough and epidemiologists and indoor air quality folks are criticizing the CDC for that. APE loves to quote a guy from Harvard, Joseph Allen. Even he didn't think ventilation was emphasized enough in a NYTimes article on Friday: “C.D.C. gives lip service to ventilation in its report, and you have to search to find it,” said Joseph Allen, an expert on building safety at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health in Boston. “It’s not as prominent as it should be.”

This is an airborne disease, not a surface one as we all thought in the beginning.

[Anonymous]

Here’s the problem—CDC guidelines are just that—guidelines. They literally refer to testing as “additional layer of mitigation.” The guidelines only make five recommendations as “key”

Universal and correct use of masks
Physical distancing
Handwashing and respiratory etiquette
Cleaning and maintaining healthy facilities
Contact tracing in combination with isolation and quarantine, in collaboration with the health department

My understanding is that these are already in the APS plan. Of course, the more mitigation techniques the better. But don’t say the guidelines say something they actually do not.

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Anonymous wrote:Why does no one question this bully? Her only credentials seem to be that she is loud, long-winded and creates colorful charts. She is a graphic artist and appears to have not been in the workforce for years, except for her invitation-making business.

I agree. I find it very strange that not only is the graphic artist is getting away with this but that so many are going along with it. There are a few in the group who are getting so much bizarre adulation from the others that it just feeds them to keep going, increasing their perceived self-importance and some people’s paralyzing fear about the pandemic. The whole situation is nuts. It’d make a good research project for a psychology class.

She has been advocating for good air quality/ventilation for months. A key factor for the transmission of this virus. I don’t get why this is an actual *problem* for some people.

WTF have you done - aside from bullying people?

Because it already exists. And it amazes me that educated people don't get that. People in some slightly older buildings with no upgrades have been working for months.
If the ventilation in modern buildings was an issue, then these workplaces would literally have been wiped out and had to close.
But that didn't happen.

What she wants is above and beyond the needed. And what does that translate to? Maybe a .0005% benefit? Who knows? She certainly doesn't know.

Please show the data that all APS classrooms meet the 4-6 ACH threshold.

Maybe those who think it's "safe enough now" can have their kids go the classrooms where the indoor air quality is unknown or where it's below the safe threshold.

They can send their kids to the windowless rooms with no air filters.

Jesus, you’re a piece of work. Glad this is all about “winning” to you.

Actually I do think we should push APS to make all classrooms safe for return in March. But you do you. You DGAF about ventilation? I’m not going to try to convince you.

No, I’m saying you’re a piece of shit for wishing harm on children. But you do you.

Oh so you do think kids need adequate ventilation...shocker.

Actually I do think kids need adequate ventilation. Perhaps my definition of “adequate” differs from yours. In any event, when by your own definition it is dangerous to send kids into windowless, unventilated rooms, you are essentially wishing harm on them just because their parents disagree with you. And you think it’s funny to be snarky. Take a look in the mirror, man.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm just going to reiterate my point from 6 pages ago that nobody listened to that it might not be the worst thing in the world if APS sent some kids back 2 days per week under the current safety conditions (perhaps inadequate ventilation and inadequate cohorting efforts) as long as teachers have been vaccinated.

Parents who have kids who are desperate to be in school for mental health or other reasons can send their kids in. Their situation is dire enough that they need to go.

Everybody else -- KEEP YOUR KIDS HOME. Wait til APS makes things safer and work on making APS make things fit all the guidelines. Maybe you don't need this first round the most, just like the vacinnation shots that get administered in tiers according to need. Keep your kids home and stay virtual, but if John is having a mental health crisis, don't delay his ability to get to human beings at a school and get better support than he can receive at home.

Not everybody needs to get their solution at the same time. Some kids need school now. Let them go and keep your own kids safe.

I say this as a parent who will be keeping her own kids home until I feel it's safe.

But if few enough of us send our kids back, it really WILL be safe for those kids. There will be adequate spacing and they will be masked and there will be less of a chance of them getting sick during lunch. Only the desperate kids should go, but for God's sake let the desperate kids go.

Thank god we all have you or else we wouldn’t have thought of making the best decisions for our children.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why does no one question this bully? Her only credentials seem to be that she is loud, long-winded and creates colorful charts. She is a graphic artist and appears to have not been in the workforce for years, except for her invitation-making business.

I agree. I find it very strange that not only is the graphic artist is getting away with this but that so many are going along with it. There are a few in the group who are getting so much bizarre adulation from the others that it just feeds them to keep going, increasing their perceived self-importance and some people’s paralyzing fear about the pandemic. The whole situation is nuts. It’d make a good research project for a psychology class.

She has been advocating for good air quality/ventilation for months. A key factor for the transmission of this virus. I don’t get why this is an actual *problem* for some people.

WTF have you done - aside from bullying people?

Because it already exists. And it amazes me that educated people don't get that. People in some slightly older buildings with no upgrades have been working for months.
If the ventilation in modern buildings was an issue, then these workplaces would literally have been wiped out and had to close.
But that didn't happen.

What she wants is above and beyond the needed. And what does that translate to? Maybe a .0005% benefit? Who knows? She certainly doesn't know.

Please show the data that all APS classrooms meet the 4-6 ACH threshold.

Maybe those who think it's "safe enough now" can have their kids go the classrooms where the indoor air quality is unknown or where it's below the safe threshold.

They can send their kids to the windowless rooms with no air filters.

Jesus, you’re a piece of work. Glad this is all about “winning” to you.

Actually I do think we should push APS to make all classrooms safe for return in March. But you do you. You DGAF about ventilation? I’m not going to try to convince you.

No, I’m saying you’re a piece of shit for wishing harm on children. But you do you.

Oh so you do think kids need adequate ventilation...shocker.

Actually I do think kids need adequate ventilation. Perhaps my definition of “adequate” differs from yours. In any event, when by your own definition it is dangerous to send kids into windowless, unventilated rooms, you are essentially wishing harm on them just because their parents disagree with you. And you think it’s funny to be snarky. Take a look in the mirror, man.

Omg. You just don’t get sarcasm, do you? Sorry you have zero EQ.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why does no one question this bully? Her only credentials seem to be that she is loud, long-winded and creates colorful charts. She is a graphic artist and appears to have not been in the workforce for years, except for her invitation-making business.

I agree. I find it very strange that not only is the graphic artist is getting away with this but that so many are going along with it. There are a few in the group who are getting so much bizarre adulation from the others that it just feeds them to keep going, increasing their perceived self-importance and some people’s paralyzing fear about the pandemic. The whole situation is nuts. It’d make a good research project for a psychology class.

She has been advocating for good air quality/ventilation for months. A key factor for the transmission of this virus. I don’t get why this is an actual *problem* for some people.

WTF have you done - aside from bullying people?

Because it already exists. And it amazes me that educated people don't get that. People in some slightly older buildings with no upgrades have been working for months.
If the ventilation in modern buildings was an issue, then these workplaces would literally have been wiped out and had to close.
But that didn't happen.

What she wants is above and beyond the needed. And what does that translate to? Maybe a .0005% benefit? Who knows? She certainly doesn't know.

Please show the data that all APS classrooms meet the 4-6 ACH threshold.

Maybe those who think it's "safe enough now" can have their kids go the classrooms where the indoor air quality is unknown or where it's below the safe threshold.

They can send their kids to the windowless rooms with no air filters.

Jesus, you’re a piece of work. Glad this is all about “winning” to you.

Actually I do think we should push APS to make all classrooms safe for return in March. But you do you. You DGAF about ventilation? I’m not going to try to convince you.

No, I’m saying you’re a piece of shit for wishing harm on children. But you do you.

Oh so you do think kids need adequate ventilation...shocker.

Actually I do think kids need adequate ventilation. Perhaps my definition of “adequate” differs from yours. In any event, when by your own definition it is dangerous to send kids into windowless, unventilated rooms, you are essentially wishing harm on them just because their parents disagree with you. And you think it’s funny to be snarky. Take a look in the mirror, man.

Omg. You just don’t get sarcasm, do you? Sorry you have zero EQ.

Yeah, right. You were just being sarcastic. I may have “zero EQ” but can call a gaslighter from a room away. Nice try.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why does no one question this bully? Her only credentials seem to be that she is loud, long-winded and creates colorful charts. She is a graphic artist and appears to have not been in the workforce for years, except for her invitation-making business.

I agree. I find it very strange that not only is the graphic artist is getting away with this but that so many are going along with it. There are a few in the group who are getting so much bizarre adulation from the others that it just feeds them to keep going, increasing their perceived self-importance and some people’s paralyzing fear about the pandemic. The whole situation is nuts. It’d make a good research project for a psychology class.

She has been advocating for good air quality/ventilation for months. A key factor for the transmission of this virus. I don’t get why this is an actual *problem* for some people.

WTF have you done - aside from bullying people?

Because it already exists. And it amazes me that educated people don't get that. People in some slightly older buildings with no upgrades have been working for months.
If the ventilation in modern buildings was an issue, then these workplaces would literally have been wiped out and had to close.
But that didn't happen.

What she wants is above and beyond the needed. And what does that translate to? Maybe a .0005% benefit? Who knows? She certainly doesn't know.

Please show the data that all APS classrooms meet the 4-6 ACH threshold.

Still waiting on the citation to show that “it already exists” - 4-6 ACH. Or perhaps PP was full of it...

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Anonymous wrote:Why does no one question this bully? Her only credentials seem to be that she is loud, long-winded and creates colorful charts. She is a graphic artist and appears to have not been in the workforce for years, except for her invitation-making business.

I agree. I find it very strange that not only is the graphic artist is getting away with this but that so many are going along with it. There are a few in the group who are getting so much bizarre adulation from the others that it just feeds them to keep going, increasing their perceived self-importance and some people’s paralyzing fear about the pandemic. The whole situation is nuts. It’d make a good research project for a psychology class.

She has been advocating for good air quality/ventilation for months. A key factor for the transmission of this virus. I don’t get why this is an actual *problem* for some people.

WTF have you done - aside from bullying people?

Because it already exists. And it amazes me that educated people don't get that. People in some slightly older buildings with no upgrades have been working for months.
If the ventilation in modern buildings was an issue, then these workplaces would literally have been wiped out and had to close.
But that didn't happen.

What she wants is above and beyond the needed. And what does that translate to? Maybe a .0005% benefit? Who knows? She certainly doesn't know.

Please show the data that all APS classrooms meet the 4-6 ACH threshold.

Maybe those who think it's "safe enough now" can have their kids go the classrooms where the indoor air quality is unknown or where it's below the safe threshold.

They can send their kids to the windowless rooms with no air filters.

Jesus, you’re a piece of work. Glad this is all about “winning” to you.

Actually I do think we should push APS to make all classrooms safe for return in March. But you do you. You DGAF about ventilation? I’m not going to try to convince you.

No, I’m saying you’re a piece of shit for wishing harm on children. But you do you.

Oh so you do think kids need adequate ventilation...shocker.

Actually I do think kids need adequate ventilation. Perhaps my definition of “adequate” differs from yours. In any event, when by your own definition it is dangerous to send kids into windowless, unventilated rooms, you are essentially wishing harm on them just because their parents disagree with you. And you think it’s funny to be snarky. Take a look in the mirror, man.

Omg. You just don’t get sarcasm, do you? Sorry you have zero EQ.

Yeah, right. You were just being sarcastic. I may have “zero EQ” but can call a gaslighter from a room away. Nice try.

Yes, re-read the lasts few pages and maybe you’ll catch on.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm just going to reiterate my point from 6 pages ago that nobody listened to that it might not be the worst thing in the world if APS sent some kids back 2 days per week under the current safety conditions (perhaps inadequate ventilation and inadequate cohorting efforts) as long as teachers have been vaccinated.

Parents who have kids who are desperate to be in school for mental health or other reasons can send their kids in. Their situation is dire enough that they need to go.

Everybody else -- KEEP YOUR KIDS HOME. Wait til APS makes things safer and work on making APS make things fit all the guidelines. Maybe you don't need this first round the most, just like the vacinnation shots that get administered in tiers according to need. Keep your kids home and stay virtual, but if John is having a mental health crisis, don't delay his ability to get to human beings at a school and get better support than he can receive at home.

Not everybody needs to get their solution at the same time. Some kids need school now. Let them go and keep your own kids safe.

I say this as a parent who will be keeping her own kids home until I feel it's safe.

But if few enough of us send our kids back, it really WILL be safe for those kids. There will be adequate spacing and they will be masked and there will be less of a chance of them getting sick during lunch. Only the desperate kids should go, but for God's sake let the desperate kids go.

Have you been hiding under a rock? They are going back. ??

Have you been reading this thread? Some people here are arguing that nobody should be going back under the dates S. Durand has set until every school meets the CDC guidelines (or other) for ventilation, cohorts, lunch arrangements, etc. I'm saying we should work toward this in general but don't push back these dates to make things perfect (as long as teachers are vaccinated) and let kids who really NEED to go, go. If only the kids who really need it go, they will be safe.

No one has said that. It has been suggested that MS/HS delay until they meet guidelines but no one has said “nobody” should go back until all schools meet the guidelines. You are gaslighting.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm just going to reiterate my point from 6 pages ago that nobody listened to that it might not be the worst thing in the world if APS sent some kids back 2 days per week under the current safety conditions (perhaps inadequate ventilation and inadequate cohorting efforts) as long as teachers have been vaccinated.

Parents who have kids who are desperate to be in school for mental health or other reasons can send their kids in. Their situation is dire enough that they need to go.

Everybody else -- KEEP YOUR KIDS HOME. Wait til APS makes things safer and work on making APS make things fit all the guidelines. Maybe you don't need this first round the most, just like the vacinnation shots that get administered in tiers according to need. Keep your kids home and stay virtual, but if John is having a mental health crisis, don't delay his ability to get to human beings at a school and get better support than he can receive at home.

Not everybody needs to get their solution at the same time. Some kids need school now. Let them go and keep your own kids safe.

I say this as a parent who will be keeping her own kids home until I feel it's safe.

But if few enough of us send our kids back, it really WILL be safe for those kids. There will be adequate spacing and they will be masked and there will be less of a chance of them getting sick during lunch. Only the desperate kids should go, but for God's sake let the desperate kids go.

Have you been hiding under a rock? They are going back. ??

Have you been reading this thread? Some people here are arguing that nobody should be going back under the dates S. Durand has set until every school meets the CDC guidelines (or other) for ventilation, cohorts, lunch arrangements, etc. I'm saying we should work toward this in general but don't push back these dates to make things perfect (as long as teachers are vaccinated) and let kids who really NEED to go, go. If only the kids who really need it go, they will be safe.

No one has said that. It has been suggested that MS/HS delay until they meet guidelines but no one has said “nobody” should go back until all schools meet the guidelines. You are gaslighting.

NP. What part of the guidelines is APS missing?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm just going to reiterate my point from 6 pages ago that nobody listened to that it might not be the worst thing in the world if APS sent some kids back 2 days per week under the current safety conditions (perhaps inadequate ventilation and inadequate cohorting efforts) as long as teachers have been vaccinated.

Parents who have kids who are desperate to be in school for mental health or other reasons can send their kids in. Their situation is dire enough that they need to go.

Everybody else -- KEEP YOUR KIDS HOME. Wait til APS makes things safer and work on making APS make things fit all the guidelines. Maybe you don't need this first round the most, just like the vacinnation shots that get administered in tiers according to need. Keep your kids home and stay virtual, but if John is having a mental health crisis, don't delay his ability to get to human beings at a school and get better support than he can receive at home.

Not everybody needs to get their solution at the same time. Some kids need school now. Let them go and keep your own kids safe.

I say this as a parent who will be keeping her own kids home until I feel it's safe.

But if few enough of us send our kids back, it really WILL be safe for those kids. There will be adequate spacing and they will be masked and there will be less of a chance of them getting sick during lunch. Only the desperate kids should go, but for God's sake let the desperate kids go.

Have you been hiding under a rock? They are going back. ??

Have you been reading this thread? Some people here are arguing that nobody should be going back under the dates S. Durand has set until every school meets the CDC guidelines (or other) for ventilation, cohorts, lunch arrangements, etc. I'm saying we should work toward this in general but don't push back these dates to make things perfect (as long as teachers are vaccinated) and let kids who really NEED to go, go. If only the kids who really need it go, they will be safe.

No one has said that. It has been suggested that MS/HS delay until they meet guidelines but no one has said “nobody” should go back until all schools meet the guidelines. You are gaslighting.

NP. What part of the guidelines is APS missing?

DP. Testing for MS/HS in the red.

[Anonymous]

Aren't people here saying elementary school shouldn't be going back either until CPC guidelines are met? I didn't think the complaining parents on here are limited to middle and high school because safety doesn't matter for their elementary kids, but maybe I misunderstood. It's a long thread and I haven't read all of it.

I certainly don't mean to gaslight. And I did not mean to suggest that, for example, elementary kids shouldn't go back until high schools met the required standards -- that was bad phrasing on my part and I apologize.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Aren't people here saying elementary school shouldn't be going back either until CPC guidelines are met? I didn't think the complaining parents on here are limited to middle and high school because safety doesn't matter for their elementary kids, but maybe I misunderstood. It's a long thread and I haven't read all of it.

I certainly don't mean to gaslight. And I did not mean to suggest that, for example, elementary kids shouldn't go back until high schools met the required standards -- that was bad phrasing on my part and I apologize.

I think APS meets CDC requirements for ES. No?