Smart Restart APS- ventilation studies

[Anonymous]

NP. Clearly there are about 4 or 5 people posting incessantly on this thread and arguing with each other. Are you the same handful of people that dominate every conversation on AEM? I could probably name you all with very good accuracy. Why are you spending all weekend arguing with random people on the internet? Give it a rest already. You’re not going to convince the other side. How do you not realize that by now?

[Anonymous]

Till then, each teacher should be gifted one of the in /out fan that can push or pull air, that requires NO installation and that can be just put in an open window to exchange the air as needed:





And to give each teacher one random air quality monitor that would tell them in real time what is the in classroom air quality at any given moment to help adequate air exchange.

random example:
Air Quality Monitor for PM2.5, CO2, AQI, Temperature, and Humidity,

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Till then, each teacher should be gifted one of the in /out fan that can push or pull air, that requires NO installation and that can be just put in an open window to exchange the air as needed:





And to give each teacher one random air quality monitor that would tell them in real time what is the in classroom air quality at any given moment to help adequate air exchange.

random example:
Air Quality Monitor for PM2.5, CO2, AQI, Temperature, and Humidity,

Too bad not all APS classrooms have windows that open or even windows at all

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Till then, each teacher should be gifted one of the in /out fan that can push or pull air, that requires NO installation and that can be just put in an open window to exchange the air as needed:





And to give each teacher one random air quality monitor that would tell them in real time what is the in classroom air quality at any given moment to help adequate air exchange.

random example:
Air Quality Monitor for PM2.5, CO2, AQI, Temperature, and Humidity,

Too bad not all APS classrooms have windows that open or even windows at all

So... should we start with those that do and then RETHING the whole idea of keeping human being in rooms without any windows for
third part of their waking hours????

Bigger problem.

[Anonymous]

I meant to say rethink -= typo. Before grammar nazis jump me.

[Anonymous]

Is this the nutso wendy woman

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is this the nutso wendy woman

My name is not Wendy. I'm not nutso. You sound charming.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yeah. My money is on APS not having a clue on this. They were going to buy ionizers for god sake.

Ionizers???

Ionizers produce Ozone, Ozone is harmful on the ground level.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is this the nutso wendy woman

1. You are rude.
2. You are mean.
3. You are assuming gender.
4. You are offensive.
5. You did not get laid in three years.
6. It is Valentine's Day, it must be especially hard.
7. I forgive you.
8. Peace.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is this the nutso wendy woman

1. You are rude.
2. You are mean.
3. You are assuming gender.
4. You are offensive.
5. You did not get laid in three years.
6. It is Valentine's Day, it must be especially hard.
7. I forgive you.
8. Peace.

Misery loves company, aem wendy

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:APS needed a push from both APE and Smart Restart.

APS would never reopen if they kept relying on how teachers "feel" about safety rather than actual data. The pressure from APE gave APS a necessary kick in the butt.

APS also had vastly underprepared for how they were going to keep kids safe. APS's temperature scans and hand washing are fine, but only help at the margins. Better ventilation and outdoor lunch materially reduce risk. Smart Restart is only off the deep end in that they think that perfect ventilation is necessary for reopening (and that they are off-puttingly zealous in how they present themselves). I appreciate that we'll now have good air filters in the classroom for reopening and I support the notion that we should keep working to improve ventilation for a full reopening in the fall.

I also strongly disagree with people on this thread that APS is now suddenly an expert in pandemic safety mitigation. APS is run by educators, not scientists. The CDC and other government guidelines were basically useless for most of the pandemic. There is also a significant proportion of APS administration who don't believe that kids catch and transmit Covid, and another portion who are more focused on social issues than getting kids an education. APS needed all of the help they could get, and probably more.

Careful now, you're about to bring reason into this conversation. But I couldn't agree more.

+2. I really wish I could switch places with one of those Smart Restart parents for just a day. Of my three children, two are doing fine, one has even elected to remain DL. But one of my children is failing everything. His/her life will be forever impacted by this pause in education at a crucial time in life. Those SR parents obviously aren't facing this situation and have no empathy for those of us who are.

Honestly. People are in difficult circumstances. Everyone knows that. Unfortunately, empathy won’t keep my kids safe from the virus. I’d like them to go to school. But 300-400 kids in a middle and a high school at one time requires a lot of safety planning APS isn’t doing. I can be empathetic but that doesn’t change the need for best safety practices. APE and the like have never understood this. They or their kids need to go to school NOW so anyone advOcating for safety measures is a crazy person getting in their way. Insert anecdotal story about cousin in GA or FL or TX. Nope. It doesn’t work that way. We have CDC guidance and best practices. Serious people take that seriously. Decision makers responsible fir the health and safety of 30,000 need to take that seriously. Even if you don’t. Safety trumps empathy. So very tired of people advocating for their current individual need vs. actual best practices. Thank gid for Smart Restart.

x1000 We are other parents who feel exactly the same way.

In some situations safety trumps empathy. But unattainable safety and absolute zero risk do not.

Exactly. Everyone knows that there is some risk, but it isn't nearly as bad as Smart Restart indicates -- AND THEY CAN KEEP THEIR KIDS AT HOME.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:APS needed a push from both APE and Smart Restart.

APS would never reopen if they kept relying on how teachers "feel" about safety rather than actual data. The pressure from APE gave APS a necessary kick in the butt.

APS also had vastly underprepared for how they were going to keep kids safe. APS's temperature scans and hand washing are fine, but only help at the margins. Better ventilation and outdoor lunch materially reduce risk. Smart Restart is only off the deep end in that they think that perfect ventilation is necessary for reopening (and that they are off-puttingly zealous in how they present themselves). I appreciate that we'll now have good air filters in the classroom for reopening and I support the notion that we should keep working to improve ventilation for a full reopening in the fall.

I also strongly disagree with people on this thread that APS is now suddenly an expert in pandemic safety mitigation. APS is run by educators, not scientists. The CDC and other government guidelines were basically useless for most of the pandemic. There is also a significant proportion of APS administration who don't believe that kids catch and transmit Covid, and another portion who are more focused on social issues than getting kids an education. APS needed all of the help they could get, and probably more.

Careful now, you're about to bring reason into this conversation. But I couldn't agree more.

+2. I really wish I could switch places with one of those Smart Restart parents for just a day. Of my three children, two are doing fine, one has even elected to remain DL. But one of my children is failing everything. His/her life will be forever impacted by this pause in education at a crucial time in life. Those SR parents obviously aren't facing this situation and have no empathy for those of us who are.

Honestly. People are in difficult circumstances. Everyone knows that. Unfortunately, empathy won’t keep my kids safe from the virus. I’d like them to go to school. But 300-400 kids in a middle and a high school at one time requires a lot of safety planning APS isn’t doing. I can be empathetic but that doesn’t change the need for best safety practices. APE and the like have never understood this. They or their kids need to go to school NOW so anyone advOcating for safety measures is a crazy person getting in their way. Insert anecdotal story about cousin in GA or FL or TX. Nope. It doesn’t work that way. We have CDC guidance and best practices. Serious people take that seriously. Decision makers responsible fir the health and safety of 30,000 need to take that seriously. Even if you don’t. Safety trumps empathy. So very tired of people advocating for their current individual need vs. actual best practices. Thank gid for Smart Restart.

x1000 We are other parents who feel exactly the same way.

In some situations safety trumps empathy. But unattainable safety and absolute zero risk do not.

Exactly. Everyone knows that there is some risk, but it isn't nearly as bad as Smart Restart indicates -- AND THEY CAN KEEP THEIR KIDS AT HOME.

Maybe not, but they are highlighting some risks, like indoor lunch, that parents may not have focused on before. I'm grateful for whatever safety changes they can help make happen.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why does no one question this bully? Her only credentials seem to be that she is loud, long-winded and creates colorful charts. She is a graphic artist and appears to have not been in the workforce for years, except for her invitation-making business.

I agree. I find it very strange that not only is the graphic artist is getting away with this but that so many are going along with it. There are a few in the group who are getting so much bizarre adulation from the others that it just feeds them to keep going, increasing their perceived self-importance and some people’s paralyzing fear about the pandemic. The whole situation is nuts. It’d make a good research project for a psychology class.

She has been advocating for good air quality/ventilation for months. A key factor for the transmission of this virus. I don’t get why this is an actual *problem* for some people.

WTF have you done - aside from bullying people?

Because it already exists. And it amazes me that educated people don't get that. People in some slightly older buildings with no upgrades have been working for months.
If the ventilation in modern buildings was an issue, then these workplaces would literally have been wiped out and had to close.
But that didn't happen.

What she wants is above and beyond the needed. And what does that translate to? Maybe a .0005% benefit? Who knows? She certainly doesn't know.

Please show the data that all APS classrooms meet the 4-6 ACH threshold.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why does no one question this bully? Her only credentials seem to be that she is loud, long-winded and creates colorful charts. She is a graphic artist and appears to have not been in the workforce for years, except for her invitation-making business.

I agree. I find it very strange that not only is the graphic artist is getting away with this but that so many are going along with it. There are a few in the group who are getting so much bizarre adulation from the others that it just feeds them to keep going, increasing their perceived self-importance and some people’s paralyzing fear about the pandemic. The whole situation is nuts. It’d make a good research project for a psychology class.

She has been advocating for good air quality/ventilation for months. A key factor for the transmission of this virus. I don’t get why this is an actual *problem* for some people.

WTF have you done - aside from bullying people?

Because it already exists. And it amazes me that educated people don't get that. People in some slightly older buildings with no upgrades have been working for months.
If the ventilation in modern buildings was an issue, then these workplaces would literally have been wiped out and had to close.
But that didn't happen.

What she wants is above and beyond the needed. And what does that translate to? Maybe a .0005% benefit? Who knows? She certainly doesn't know.

Please show the data that all APS classrooms meet the 4-6 ACH threshold.

Maybe those who think it's "safe enough now" can have their kids go the classrooms where the indoor air quality is unknown or where it's below the safe threshold.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why does no one question this bully? Her only credentials seem to be that she is loud, long-winded and creates colorful charts. She is a graphic artist and appears to have not been in the workforce for years, except for her invitation-making business.

I agree. I find it very strange that not only is the graphic artist is getting away with this but that so many are going along with it. There are a few in the group who are getting so much bizarre adulation from the others that it just feeds them to keep going, increasing their perceived self-importance and some people’s paralyzing fear about the pandemic. The whole situation is nuts. It’d make a good research project for a psychology class.

She has been advocating for good air quality/ventilation for months. A key factor for the transmission of this virus. I don’t get why this is an actual *problem* for some people.

WTF have you done - aside from bullying people?

Because it already exists. And it amazes me that educated people don't get that. People in some slightly older buildings with no upgrades have been working for months.
If the ventilation in modern buildings was an issue, then these workplaces would literally have been wiped out and had to close.
But that didn't happen.

What she wants is above and beyond the needed. And what does that translate to? Maybe a .0005% benefit? Who knows? She certainly doesn't know.

Please show the data that all APS classrooms meet the 4-6 ACH threshold.

Maybe those who think it's "safe enough now" can have their kids go the classrooms where the indoor air quality is unknown or where it's below the safe threshold.

**was being sarcastic