Smart Restart APS- ventilation studies

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Anonymous wrote:The Smart Restart group is in way over their heads. They are making gross assumptions in their calculations. Thankfully, APS is consulting with actual experts and following best practices. Looks like we will learn more about it tonight.

Great. That is better for all of us.

Good thing SR people were advocating for this and pushing APS to be transparent and fully implement all necessary changes.

They clearly don’t understand the data they’re trying to interpret or what changes are actually necessary, but sure.

They had to make assumptions because APS wouldn’t provide additional data.

They were clear on that.

What ever could go wrong in using thinly stretched human resources to collect dense data and provide it to people who don’t know what the hell they’re looking at?

Uh.....they should have already been doing these calculations themselves.

That is the bigger concern here. Why did it take a parent group to make this happen?

No, they should have been leaving the calculations to the experts, which is what they did. It didn’t take a parent group to make this happen.

Sure, Jan.

If APS was already planning to have the experts do this then nothing is lost. Better find something else to complain about.

K. Enjoy your SR circle jerk.

Haters gonna hate.

SR made them do all of this extra work vs. they were going to do that anyway. Make up your mind!

Anyway, you'll have to find a new way to funnel your misery now that APS is moving forward with air filters, etc.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Smart Restart group is in way over their heads. They are making gross assumptions in their calculations. Thankfully, APS is consulting with actual experts and following best practices. Looks like we will learn more about it tonight.

Great. That is better for all of us.

Good thing SR people were advocating for this and pushing APS to be transparent and fully implement all necessary changes.

They clearly don’t understand the data they’re trying to interpret or what changes are actually necessary, but sure.

They had to make assumptions because APS wouldn’t provide additional data.

They were clear on that.

What ever could go wrong in using thinly stretched human resources to collect dense data and provide it to people who don’t know what the hell they’re looking at?

Uh.....they should have already been doing these calculations themselves.

That is the bigger concern here. Why did it take a parent group to make this happen?

No, they should have been leaving the calculations to the experts, which is what they did. It didn’t take a parent group to make this happen.

hahahah. Coincidence that APS only called in the experts after SR questioned their data? I think not.

[Anonymous]

To the PP above--coincidence that APS called in a real expert to pacify APS parents who veered WAY out of their lane (and who basically said they were already doing just fine)? No, it's how APS does things--using their resources to please the (mainly white, wealthy) parents who scream the loudest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To the PP above--coincidence that APS called in a real expert to pacify APS parents who veered WAY out of their lane (and who basically said they were already doing just fine)? No, it's how APS does things--using their resources to please the (mainly white, wealthy) parents who scream the loudest.

Really? I hadn't heard that. I thought they came up with a list of action items (similar to SR's list).

Link to the expert's findings?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To the PP above--coincidence that APS called in a real expert to pacify APS parents who veered WAY out of their lane (and who basically said they were already doing just fine)? No, it's how APS does things--using their resources to please the (mainly white, wealthy) parents who scream the loudest.

You mean those parents AREN’T air quality experts and were just playing with data without knowing what they were doing? Who saw that coming?

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Anonymous wrote:To the PP above--coincidence that APS called in a real expert to pacify APS parents who veered WAY out of their lane (and who basically said they were already doing just fine)? No, it's how APS does things--using their resources to please the (mainly white, wealthy) parents who scream the loudest.

You mean those parents AREN’T air quality experts and were just playing with data without knowing what they were doing? Who saw that coming?

Honestly that's such a crappy comment. Whether they are or are not experts, they have raised awareness about some safety issues. My kid goes to Wakefield and I had no idea that over 90 rooms there has bad air quality. I'm glad they're putting information out there. And who is seriously against anyone trying to get better air quality? I really don't understand that. APS clearly is not staying closed until the air gets fixed, so who loses by APS putting in more air filters?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To the PP above--coincidence that APS called in a real expert to pacify APS parents who veered WAY out of their lane (and who basically said they were already doing just fine)? No, it's how APS does things--using their resources to please the (mainly white, wealthy) parents who scream the loudest.

You mean those parents AREN’T air quality experts and were just playing with data without knowing what they were doing? Who saw that coming?

Honestly that's such a crappy comment. Whether they are or are not experts, they have raised awareness about some safety issues. My kid goes to Wakefield and I had no idea that over 90 rooms there has bad air quality. I'm glad they're putting information out there. And who is seriously against anyone trying to get better air quality? I really don't understand that. APS clearly is not staying closed until the air gets fixed, so who loses by APS putting in more air filters?

THIS! Where is APE's outrage that APS isn't putting air filters in rooms with low occupancy, which often are special education rooms or English learner rooms? Isn't APE trying to position itself as the pro-SPED group? (Although we all really know that they are using the special education population as a means to get everyone back. Pathetic.)

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Anonymous wrote:To the PP above--coincidence that APS called in a real expert to pacify APS parents who veered WAY out of their lane (and who basically said they were already doing just fine)? No, it's how APS does things--using their resources to please the (mainly white, wealthy) parents who scream the loudest.

You mean those parents AREN’T air quality experts and were just playing with data without knowing what they were doing? Who saw that coming?

Something we all* wish APS had done from the start....


*people concerned about pandemic

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To the PP above--coincidence that APS called in a real expert to pacify APS parents who veered WAY out of their lane (and who basically said they were already doing just fine)? No, it's how APS does things--using their resources to please the (mainly white, wealthy) parents who scream the loudest.

You mean those parents AREN’T air quality experts and were just playing with data without knowing what they were doing? Who saw that coming?

Honestly that's such a crappy comment. Whether they are or are not experts, they have raised awareness about some safety issues. My kid goes to Wakefield and I had no idea that over 90 rooms there has bad air quality. I'm glad they're putting information out there. And who is seriously against anyone trying to get better air quality? I really don't understand that. APS clearly is not staying closed until the air gets fixed, so who loses by APS putting in more air filters?

Actually, they muddy the water and totally confuse people about what is actually needed. Asking questions and advocating for rational safety measures is good. Misinterpreting and misunderstanding data and using that misinterpreted data to push for unnecessary changes, while publicly insulting the people whose job it is to get these things right, is a gross misstep.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To the PP above--coincidence that APS called in a real expert to pacify APS parents who veered WAY out of their lane (and who basically said they were already doing just fine)? No, it's how APS does things--using their resources to please the (mainly white, wealthy) parents who scream the loudest.

You mean those parents AREN’T air quality experts and were just playing with data without knowing what they were doing? Who saw that coming?

Honestly that's such a crappy comment. Whether they are or are not experts, they have raised awareness about some safety issues. My kid goes to Wakefield and I had no idea that over 90 rooms there has bad air quality. I'm glad they're putting information out there. And who is seriously against anyone trying to get better air quality? I really don't understand that. APS clearly is not staying closed until the air gets fixed, so who loses by APS putting in more air filters?

THIS! Where is APE's outrage that APS isn't putting air filters in rooms with low occupancy, which often are special education rooms or English learner rooms? Isn't APE trying to position itself as the pro-SPED group? (Although we all really know that they are using the special education population as a means to get everyone back. Pathetic.)

APE will exploit any and all groups it can.

What they won't do it is push for measures to help the schools open safely ASAP.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To the PP above--coincidence that APS called in a real expert to pacify APS parents who veered WAY out of their lane (and who basically said they were already doing just fine)? No, it's how APS does things--using their resources to please the (mainly white, wealthy) parents who scream the loudest.

You mean those parents AREN’T air quality experts and were just playing with data without knowing what they were doing? Who saw that coming?

Honestly that's such a crappy comment. Whether they are or are not experts, they have raised awareness about some safety issues. My kid goes to Wakefield and I had no idea that over 90 rooms there has bad air quality. I'm glad they're putting information out there. And who is seriously against anyone trying to get better air quality? I really don't understand that. APS clearly is not staying closed until the air gets fixed, so who loses by APS putting in more air filters?

Actually, they muddy the water and totally confuse people about what is actually needed. Asking questions and advocating for rational safety measures is good. Misinterpreting and misunderstanding data and using that misinterpreted data to push for unnecessary changes, while publicly insulting the people whose job it is to get these things right, is a gross misstep.

Nope. They made it pretty clear. That's why APS is taking action to resolve the issues identified.

Maybe if some people are so easily insulted they should have done their job properly in the first place...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To the PP above--coincidence that APS called in a real expert to pacify APS parents who veered WAY out of their lane (and who basically said they were already doing just fine)? No, it's how APS does things--using their resources to please the (mainly white, wealthy) parents who scream the loudest.

You mean those parents AREN’T air quality experts and were just playing with data without knowing what they were doing? Who saw that coming?

Honestly that's such a crappy comment. Whether they are or are not experts, they have raised awareness about some safety issues. My kid goes to Wakefield and I had no idea that over 90 rooms there has bad air quality. I'm glad they're putting information out there. And who is seriously against anyone trying to get better air quality? I really don't understand that. APS clearly is not staying closed until the air gets fixed, so who loses by APS putting in more air filters?

Actually, they muddy the water and totally confuse people about what is actually needed. Asking questions and advocating for rational safety measures is good. Misinterpreting and misunderstanding data and using that misinterpreted data to push for unnecessary changes, while publicly insulting the people whose job it is to get these things right, is a gross misstep.

What unnecessary changes have they been pushing? Outdoor lunch? The right number of air cleaners for every classroom? Calling out APS for not providing data about every room they intend to use as classrooms? Honestly, what in that list is unnecessary? Has anything in that list done anything other than making your child's APS day more safe? Assuming, of course, that you aren't one of those APE members complaining about APS canceling school or saying there is adequate ventilation, when your kids aren't even in APS!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To the PP above--coincidence that APS called in a real expert to pacify APS parents who veered WAY out of their lane (and who basically said they were already doing just fine)? No, it's how APS does things--using their resources to please the (mainly white, wealthy) parents who scream the loudest.

Really? I hadn't heard that. I thought they came up with a list of action items (similar to SR's list).

Link to the expert's findings?

They spoke w Joseph Allen from Harvard. This was in either Duran’s update or the slides from the SB meeting.

And not in reply to your question but some of the other PPs, there are SR people pulling their kids from APS, so there are parents on all sides of this who should sit down. Those of us who are suffering through a year from hell and have no money to do anything but stay along for the ride should get to have a turn to say what we want for our kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To the PP above--coincidence that APS called in a real expert to pacify APS parents who veered WAY out of their lane (and who basically said they were already doing just fine)? No, it's how APS does things--using their resources to please the (mainly white, wealthy) parents who scream the loudest.

Really? I hadn't heard that. I thought they came up with a list of action items (similar to SR's list).

Link to the expert's findings?

They spoke w Joseph Allen from Harvard. This was in either Duran’s update or the slides from the SB meeting.

And not in reply to your question but some of the other PPs, there are SR people pulling their kids from APS, so there are parents on all sides of this who should sit down. Those of us who are suffering through a year from hell and have no money to do anything but stay along for the ride should get to have a turn to say what we want for our kids.

But other experts are recommending at least 5 air changes per hour, including the epidemiologist from here in Arlington. Even though Dr Allen has said 4-6 is enough, he apparently also wrote that schools should be aiming for 5. So why is that Joseph Allen is the end all and be all to APS? I’ve seen that air quality chart and it says that 4 air changes is good but also the bare minimum, and not all rooms are even at that level. How is that acceptable to people?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To the PP above--coincidence that APS called in a real expert to pacify APS parents who veered WAY out of their lane (and who basically said they were already doing just fine)? No, it's how APS does things--using their resources to please the (mainly white, wealthy) parents who scream the loudest.

Really? I hadn't heard that. I thought they came up with a list of action items (similar to SR's list).

Link to the expert's findings?

They spoke w Joseph Allen from Harvard. This was in either Duran’s update or the slides from the SB meeting.

And not in reply to your question but some of the other PPs, there are SR people pulling their kids from APS, so there are parents on all sides of this who should sit down. Those of us who are suffering through a year from hell and have no money to do anything but stay along for the ride should get to have a turn to say what we want for our kids.

But other experts are recommending at least 5 air changes per hour, including the epidemiologist from here in Arlington. Even though Dr Allen has said 4-6 is enough, he apparently also wrote that schools should be aiming for 5. So why is that Joseph Allen is the end all and be all to APS? I’ve seen that air quality chart and it says that 4 air changes is good but also the bare minimum, and not all rooms are even at that level. How is that acceptable to people?

The same way it acceptable at Giant, Target, and so on. No one really cares. That is the answer. You don’t care. You are just a teacher who doesn’t want to go back to the classroom and will grasp at any straw.