With teachers vaccinated, why are we still talking about hybrid, and not a full return to school?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Now it is getting real. A teacher in DC has died of Covid that was contracted at school. Is getting a few hours of inperson school really worth it? I don't think so. This is why we're keeping our kids DL. No teacher is going to get sick and die because we're stubbornly and insanely screeching that school buildings need to be open.

www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/matriarch-teacher-at-ballou-stay-high-school-dies-of-covid-19/2570146/

That’s why teachers are getting vaccinated (the title of this thread).

None of the vaccines are 100% effective and the 94-95% efficacy has only been shown with small numbers of self-selected people and not the general population. Even Fauci and the CDC admit that the verdict is still out on the effectiveness of the current vaccines. (Side note: look up the difference between the term "efficacy" and the term "effectiveness" before responding.) In this case the teacher's family attest that she contracted the virus because of her job as a teacher at Ballou. Since you don't know her and her family does, I think I'll take their word for it over yours.

Omg. 95% effective is excellent for any vaccine. And they were all nearly 100% effective at preventing hospitalizations and deaths. Even the Johnson & Johnson vaccine which was less effective at preventing illness still kept study participants out of the hospital! Not addressing any points about the teachers death here but you have got to stop the breathless fear-mongering.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You guys just don't understand that many people are just fine with DL and have no interest in sending their kids in with the variants and prior to vaccination.

At our school, only half are coming back. Depending on the class, it'll be a quarter to a third in person in most cases on any given day.

OK, and so because 50% are fine the other 50% shouldn't get a choice?

The OP was making the point that most parents are comfortable sending their kids back to school, which is wrong. 50% at our school aren't interested, and that's actually 10% more than last fall.

Also, my kids are losing an additional 15 minutes of instruction per day and another week of prep in February because of your "choices."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The kids also need to get vaccinated otherwise the variants just continue to spread and kill people

Won’t be a pediatric vaccine for years if ever. This is an idiotic stance.

False. https://www.propublica.org/article/fauci-vaccines-kids

You can bet that if there's a vaccine for kids on the horizon the school systems will wait to wait until it's widely available to go back to normal 5 days a week school.

I have tremendous respect for Fauci (and unlike many, knew who he was before 2020), but he is not an oracle, and sometimes he has just thrown out an idea. Remember “immunity passports”? Remember the times he stood with Trump and Birx and crazy shit was said? So, this doesn’t mean a vaccine is on the horizon, like we can see it. It means he has an idea. This is therefore not a good call for any school system to use as part of their plan for full-time school. APS and others need to plan for what happens if things are only marginally better this fall, or not. If a vaccine is available under EUA for kids then it will not be required for school attendance. If we are collectively comfortable saying kids get completely de-prioritized for yet another year, then fine, but it’s not okay with me.

Where did I say there's a vaccine for kids on the horizon right now? I am saying that come August or September if there is a vaccine on the horizon, school systems are going to push to wait until it's widely available before opening for 5 day as normal. I also never said it should be required for kids in order to attend school. I'm saying they are going to want to wait until it's *available* if it looks like it's happening soon.

You can keep living in your dream world of what you want and think should happen. I will live in the real world where we have seen what kinds of decisions the local school boards have been making. They are risk averse and that isn't going to change just because of your opinion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You guys just don't understand that many people are just fine with DL and have no interest in sending their kids in with the variants and prior to vaccination.

At our school, only half are coming back. Depending on the class, it'll be a quarter to a third in person in most cases on any given day.

OK, and so because 50% are fine the other 50% shouldn't get a choice?

The OP was making the point that most parents are comfortable sending their kids back to school, which is wrong. 50% at our school aren't interested, and that's actually 10% more than last fall.

Also, my kids are losing an additional 15 minutes of instruction per day and another week of prep in February because of your "choices."

And the kids who can’t learn virtually have lost an entire school year. What’s your point?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Now it is getting real. A teacher in DC has died of Covid that was contracted at school. Is getting a few hours of inperson school really worth it? I don't think so. This is why we're keeping our kids DL. No teacher is going to get sick and die because we're stubbornly and insanely screeching that school buildings need to be open.

www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/matriarch-teacher-at-ballou-stay-high-school-dies-of-covid-19/2570146/

That’s why teachers are getting vaccinated (the title of this thread).

I was just going to reply with the same, so "ditto".

ES Teacher

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I agree OP. CDC guidance isn't 6 feet- its 6 feet where practicable. It becomes a risk balancing tradeoff. In the same way that sometimes 6 feet isn't enough- perhaps 6 feet really makes no difference. open FCCPS is advocating for a full return for all students 5 days a week.

OpenFCPS people are LUNATICS. It’s going to be difficult enough to social distance at 6ft in classrooms. We cannot go back at full capacity, esp with the new more virulent strains coming out. Vaccinating teachers is one issue but kids DO contract and transmit the virus at school, and they bring it home and infect family members. Just NO.

The concurrent model is the worst of all possible worlds. It would have been much better to be truly hybrid.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I agree OP. CDC guidance isn't 6 feet- its 6 feet where practicable. It becomes a risk balancing tradeoff. In the same way that sometimes 6 feet isn't enough- perhaps 6 feet really makes no difference. open FCCPS is advocating for a full return for all students 5 days a week.

OpenFCPS people are LUNATICS. It’s going to be difficult enough to social distance at 6ft in classrooms. We cannot go back at full capacity, esp with the new more virulent strains coming out. Vaccinating teachers is one issue but kids DO contract and transmit the virus at school, and they bring it home and infect family members. Just NO.

The concurrent model is the worst of all possible worlds. It would have been much better to be truly hybrid.

Me agrees with you all fully. However, you haven’t been paying attention. They don’t care about anything. No more metrics. No more 6ft. No regard of any kind to the fact that numbers are bad and that an overwhelming 70% chose to finish the year from the comfort of their homes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Now it is getting real. A teacher in DC has died of Covid that was contracted at school. Is getting a few hours of inperson school really worth it? I don't think so. This is why we're keeping our kids DL. No teacher is going to get sick and die because we're stubbornly and insanely screeching that school buildings need to be open.

www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/matriarch-teacher-at-ballou-stay-high-school-dies-of-covid-19/2570146/

That’s why teachers are getting vaccinated (the title of this thread).

None of the vaccines are 100% effective and the 94-95% efficacy has only been shown with small numbers of self-selected people and not the general population. Even Fauci and the CDC admit that the verdict is still out on the effectiveness of the current vaccines. (Side note: look up the difference between the term "efficacy" and the term "effectiveness" before responding.) In this case the teacher's family attest that she contracted the virus because of her job as a teacher at Ballou. Since you don't know her and her family does, I think I'll take their word for it over yours.

Omg. 95% effective is excellent for any vaccine. And they were all nearly 100% effective at preventing hospitalizations and deaths. Even the Johnson & Johnson vaccine which was less effective at preventing illness still kept study participants out of the hospital! Not addressing any points about the teachers death here but you have got to stop the breathless fear-mongering.

Oh dear. You didn't do your homework. There is a difference between effectiveness and efficacy. The efficacy with a small, self-selected population was 94-95%. The effectiveness with the general population isn't known. Furthermore the general population represents a much wider set of health issues and the virus mutations have increased. It is very doubtful that the vaccine will be 94-95% effective.

Please get schooled before you continue spouting lies and "facts." Your as bad as the guy we just voted out of office if you don't. Although you may be part of his fan club.

The final point is that children are known asymptomatic carriers and super spreaders of the virus. A few hours in school is not worth the risk to teachers' lives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Now it is getting real. A teacher in DC has died of Covid that was contracted at school. Is getting a few hours of inperson school really worth it? I don't think so. This is why we're keeping our kids DL. No teacher is going to get sick and die because we're stubbornly and insanely screeching that school buildings need to be open.

www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/matriarch-teacher-at-ballou-stay-high-school-dies-of-covid-19/2570146/

That’s why teachers are getting vaccinated (the title of this thread).

None of the vaccines are 100% effective and the 94-95% efficacy has only been shown with small numbers of self-selected people and not the general population. Even Fauci and the CDC admit that the verdict is still out on the effectiveness of the current vaccines. (Side note: look up the difference between the term "efficacy" and the term "effectiveness" before responding.) In this case the teacher's family attest that she contracted the virus because of her job as a teacher at Ballou. Since you don't know her and her family does, I think I'll take their word for it over yours.

Omg. 95% effective is excellent for any vaccine. And they were all nearly 100% effective at preventing hospitalizations and deaths. Even the Johnson & Johnson vaccine which was less effective at preventing illness still kept study participants out of the hospital! Not addressing any points about the teachers death here but you have got to stop the breathless fear-mongering.

Oh dear. You didn't do your homework. There is a difference between effectiveness and efficacy. The efficacy with a small, self-selected population was 94-95%. The effectiveness with the general population isn't known. Furthermore the general population represents a much wider set of health issues and the virus mutations have increased. It is very doubtful that the vaccine will be 94-95% effective.

Please get schooled before you continue spouting lies and "facts." Your as bad as the guy we just voted out of office if you don't. Although you may be part of his fan club.

The final point is that children are known asymptomatic carriers and super spreaders of the virus. A few hours in school is not worth the risk to teachers' lives.

Well you’re all going back within the next few weeks so buck up, Buttercup. Can’t wait to see you NOT get Covid because you’ve been vaccinated!

[Anonymous]

What school system had 70% of kids choose to stay out of school?

[Anonymous]

I have not read through all the responses, but I heard reporting the other day that a larger proportion of white and more wealthy families want their kids back in school, whereas black, Latino and poorer families want to stay in DL for health reasons (whose populations are more likely to suffer from ill effects of COVID).

[Anonymous]

They are not vaccinated. Stop. Does anyone understand what is happening?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have not read through all the responses, but I heard reporting the other day that a larger proportion of white and more wealthy families want their kids back in school, whereas black, Latino and poorer families want to stay in DL for health reasons (whose populations are more likely to suffer from ill effects of COVID).

This is true in almost every district in the country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have not read through all the responses, but I heard reporting the other day that a larger proportion of white and more wealthy families want their kids back in school, whereas black, Latino and poorer families want to stay in DL for health reasons (whose populations are more likely to suffer from ill effects of COVID).

It’s definitely more complicated than that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They are not vaccinated. Stop. Does anyone understand what is happening?

In Nova they are.