BTS new song broke all youtube records

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s another one about Folklore: https://www.nme.com/reviews/taylor-swift-folklore-album-review-2713965

No one cares about Folklore. Go away, obsessed Taylor Swift crazy.

Yeah, I know. Because she’s an example of indie folk sensibilities in the mainstream, which doesn’t fit with your narrative.

No, because this is a thread about BTS and no one cares that you're an obsessed super fan. You are not an indie fan- go back to listening to Blank Space.

I don’t even like Taylor Swift that much. You argued indie folk isn’t in the mainstream, so I used her an example of it. Then you argued it’s a pop album and ignored Rolling Stone literally calling it an indie folk album.

Taylor Swift putting out ONE pop album with slight indie rock influences says absolutely nothing about the overall decline in indie rock prominence in cultural discourse. You are so obsessed and I'm guessing it's because you dont ACTUALLY know any real indie bands, and that's sad. Just admit you prefer pop and stop pretending to be something you're not, cause it's going to be so embarrassing when this happens IRL and you get called out on knowing absolutely nothing. God, how cringe.

Indie rock was NEVER truly in the mainstream.

That you think it ever was is laughable.

It never overtook pop and hip hop as the music more people listened to than anything else. It never *truly* was the driving force in cultural discourse. That has been hip hop and pop, especially since the 80s.

But that doesn’t change the fact that indie rock continues to be popular, just under the surface.

You really, really, really must be joking. I cannot believe anyone would be this ignorant! You have truly, NO CLUE what you're talking about, and seem to have no interest in educating yourself. Indie rock was hugely in the mainstream in the aughts, and it influenced everything from fashion to the most popular music to movies, everything. This is why EXPERTS- aka NOT YOU- have acknowledged it's declining power. Why do you think so many experts disagree with you? You just magically know better than the people who have been working in the music industry for decades? Lmao...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let’s look at the Album of the Year nominees since 2000:

2000:

Santana
TLC
Dixie Chicks
Backstreet Boys
Diana Krall

2001:

Steely Dan
Radiohead
Eminem
Beck
Paul Simon

2002:

Soundtrack
India.Arie
U2
Dylan
OutKast

2003:

Norah Jones
Eminem
Dixie Chicks
Nelly
Springsteen

2004:

Outkast
Evanescence
Justin Timberlake
Missy Elliott

2005:

Ray Charles
Green Day
Kanye
Usher
Alicia Keyes

2006:

U2
Paul McCartney
Mariah Carey
Kanye
Gwen Stefani

2007:

Dixie Chicks
John Mayer
Justin Timberlake
Gnarls Barkley
Red Hot Chili Peppers

2008:

Herbie Hancock
Amy Winehouse
Foo Fighters
Kanye
Vince Gill

2009:

Robert Plant
Radiohead
Lil Wayne
Coldplay
Ne-Yo

2010:

Taylor Swift
Dave Matthews
Black Eyed Peas
Lady Gaga
Beyoncé

2011:

Arcade Fire
Lady Gaga
Lady Antebellum
Eminem
Katy Perry

2012:

Adele
Lady Gaga
Bruno Mars
Rihanna
Foo Fighters

2013:

Mumford & Sons
Jack White
Frank Ocean
Black Eyed Peas
Fun

2014:

Daft Punk
Sara Bareilles
Kendrick Lamar
Macklemore
Taylor Swift

2015:

Beck
Beyoncé
Pharrell Williams
Sam Smith
Ed Sheeran

2016:

Taylor Swift
The Weeknd
Alabama Shakes
Kendrick Lamar
Chris Stapleton

2017:

Adele
Beyoncé
Justin Bieber
Sturgill Simpson
Drake

2018:

Bruno Mars
Childish Gambino
Kendrick Lamar
Jay-Z
Lorde

2019:

Kasey Musgraves
Post Malone
Black Panther soundtrack
Brandi Carlile
Janelle Monae
HER
Cardi B
Drake

2020:

Billie Eilish
Lizzie
Bon Iver
Vampire Weekend
HER
Lana Del Ray
Lil Nas X
Ariana Grande

2021:

Jhene Aiko
Black Pumas
Coldplay
Jacob Collier
Haim
Dua Lipa
Post Malone
Taylor Swift

I see a pretty good array of genres across virtually every year.

Then you're delusional and wishfully thinking. There are way more hip hop and pop acts than there were in the aughts and early 2010s, particularly among the winners.

Also, the grammys are not the only litmus test. Magazine covers and cultural dominance is the most important one

You argued that indie rock/folk DOMINATED in the early 00s and now it’s dead from the nominations. Totally untrue.

But I see you’re now moving the needle to magazine covers and some amorphous “cultural dominance.”

Lies. I never moved the needle. It's always been about cultural dominance which is why i said you were out of it. The Grammys, frankly, are out of it too, which is why they started recognizing indie rock several years after it's peak, starting in the early 2000s. When's the last time an Indie act won? Oh yeah, back in 2015. Exactly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^It absolutely means indie rock has peaked, lol. No matter how you may think otherwise. You're clueless enough to ignore all facts, but maybe reading a book like Meet Me in the Bathroom can help. Or any of the myriad articles about this subject.

ezra koenig: “is rock dead? yes. is the guitar a relevant instrument? not really”
The sub headline from this article in I-d (a very hip publication- just clarifying for you since, from your lack of awareness/coolness, I'm sure you've never heard of it): "The indie boom is long over, but Vampire Weekend have prevailed as the era’s most imaginative and transcendent group."

Lol, the most overrated piece of shit headline that’s been written every year since the head of Decca told Brian Epstein, “guitar groups are on the way out, Mr. Epstein.”

Meanwhile, more guitars were sold this year than any year on record and guitar-oriented groups continue to exist *just* below the surface and have been featured in album of the year nominations virtually every year since 2000.

But sure — continue to traffic in the tired trope that the popularity of hip hop and pop means rock is dead.

It's overrated because why?... because you said so? I'm literally laughing out loud.

I guess that's your strategy. You hear something you dont like and you just ignore it. Great... very smart. and 2+2 = 5 and the capital of America is Nebraska. Because you said so.

I guess you know more than Ezra Koenig, if you even know who that is, being an "indie music expert" and all. LOL. So hilarious

[Anonymous]

2015 was only 5 YEARS AGO. Jeez.

Also, you’re the one who brought up using Grammys as a measure of all of this.

What’s your measure of cultural dominance, if not the Grammys (which, again, you brought up)?

I also welcome all this supposed evidence that indie rock used to be THE cultural driving force and now it’s not. Please share it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^It absolutely means indie rock has peaked, lol. No matter how you may think otherwise. You're clueless enough to ignore all facts, but maybe reading a book like Meet Me in the Bathroom can help. Or any of the myriad articles about this subject.

ezra koenig: “is rock dead? yes. is the guitar a relevant instrument? not really”
The sub headline from this article in I-d (a very hip publication- just clarifying for you since, from your lack of awareness/coolness, I'm sure you've never heard of it): "The indie boom is long over, but Vampire Weekend have prevailed as the era’s most imaginative and transcendent group."

Lol, the most overrated piece of shit headline that’s been written every year since the head of Decca told Brian Epstein, “guitar groups are on the way out, Mr. Epstein.”

Meanwhile, more guitars were sold this year than any year on record and guitar-oriented groups continue to exist *just* below the surface and have been featured in album of the year nominations virtually every year since 2000.

But sure — continue to traffic in the tired trope that the popularity of hip hop and pop means rock is dead.

It's overrated because why?... because you said so? I'm literally laughing out loud.

I guess that's your strategy. You hear something you dont like and you just ignore it. Great... very smart. and 2+2 = 5 and the capital of America is Nebraska. Because you said so.

I guess you know more than Ezra Koenig, if you even know who that is, being an "indie music expert" and all. LOL. So hilarious

If you’re not aware that the whole “rock is dead” thing has been going for literally decades, then you’re the hopelessly out of touch one.

Vampire Weekend sucks, by the way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:2015 was only 5 YEARS AGO. Jeez.

Also, you’re the one who brought up using Grammys as a measure of all of this.

What’s your measure of cultural dominance, if not the Grammys (which, again, you brought up)?

I also welcome all this supposed evidence that indie rock used to be THE cultural driving force and now it’s not. Please share it.

Since I'm feeling oddly benevolent and generous today, here's you go. A compendium of articles from various respected populations about the rise and fall of indie music, about the hey-days of the genre, and about how that era ended a long time ago.

But I'm sure you, someone who listened to one Taylor Swift album, looked up the producer, and decided she was an indie music expert because of it, know more than these respected music writers who are intimately familiar with the genre, right?

https://theweek.com/articles/704885/does-indie-rock-have-future: Does Indie Rock have a Future?

https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/10/25/16070928/peak-indie-rock-1997 The life and death of the indie-rock heyday

https://consequenceofsound.net/2016/11/where-have-all-the-indie-rock-bands-gone/ Where Have All the Indie Rock Bands Gone?

https://www.popmatters.com/whatever-happened-to-indie-rock-2495385761.html Whatever Happened to Indie Rock?

https://video.vice.com/en_ca/video/pov-is-indie-rock-relevant-in-2017/587643359d39d5c115397de3 Is Indie Rock Relevant in 2017?

https://pitchfork.com/features/oped/the-year-indie-rock-meant-something-different/


Keep in mind, most of these articles are actually several years old- THAT's how out of touch you are. You should be thanking me for preventing you from embarrassing yourself by showing your lack of knowledge in the future

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:2015 was only 5 YEARS AGO. Jeez.

Also, you’re the one who brought up using Grammys as a measure of all of this.

What’s your measure of cultural dominance, if not the Grammys (which, again, you brought up)?

I also welcome all this supposed evidence that indie rock used to be THE cultural driving force and now it’s not. Please share it.

Since I'm feeling oddly benevolent and generous today, here's you go. A compendium of articles from various respected populations about the rise and fall of indie music, about the hey-days of the genre, and about how that era ended a long time ago.

But I'm sure you, someone who listened to one Taylor Swift album, looked up the producer, and decided she was an indie music expert because of it, know more than these respected music writers who are intimately familiar with the genre, right?

https://theweek.com/articles/704885/does-indie-rock-have-future: Does Indie Rock have a Future?

https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/10/25/16070928/peak-indie-rock-1997 The life and death of the indie-rock heyday

https://consequenceofsound.net/2016/11/where-have-all-the-indie-rock-bands-gone/ Where Have All the Indie Rock Bands Gone?

https://www.popmatters.com/whatever-happened-to-indie-rock-2495385761.html Whatever Happened to Indie Rock?

https://video.vice.com/en_ca/video/pov-is-indie-rock-relevant-in-2017/587643359d39d5c115397de3 Is Indie Rock Relevant in 2017?

https://pitchfork.com/features/oped/the-year-indie-rock-meant-something-different/


Keep in mind, most of these articles are actually several years old- THAT's how out of touch you are. You should be thanking me for preventing you from embarrassing yourself by showing your lack of knowledge in the future

Lol ok — again, the whole “rock is dead” thing.

It’s a tired, decades-old trope used to sell publications to naive people like you, who listen to Vampire Weekend and decide you’re *so* indie.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^It absolutely means indie rock has peaked, lol. No matter how you may think otherwise. You're clueless enough to ignore all facts, but maybe reading a book like Meet Me in the Bathroom can help. Or any of the myriad articles about this subject.

ezra koenig: “is rock dead? yes. is the guitar a relevant instrument? not really”
The sub headline from this article in I-d (a very hip publication- just clarifying for you since, from your lack of awareness/coolness, I'm sure you've never heard of it): "The indie boom is long over, but Vampire Weekend have prevailed as the era’s most imaginative and transcendent group."

Lol, the most overrated piece of shit headline that’s been written every year since the head of Decca told Brian Epstein, “guitar groups are on the way out, Mr. Epstein.”

Meanwhile, more guitars were sold this year than any year on record and guitar-oriented groups continue to exist *just* below the surface and have been featured in album of the year nominations virtually every year since 2000.

But sure — continue to traffic in the tired trope that the popularity of hip hop and pop means rock is dead.

It's overrated because why?... because you said so? I'm literally laughing out loud.

I guess that's your strategy. You hear something you dont like and you just ignore it. Great... very smart. and 2+2 = 5 and the capital of America is Nebraska. Because you said so.

I guess you know more than Ezra Koenig, if you even know who that is, being an "indie music expert" and all. LOL. So hilarious

If you’re not aware that the whole “rock is dead” thing has been going for literally decades, then you’re the hopelessly out of touch one.

Vampire Weekend sucks, by the way.

Because you said so, the indie music troglodyte who knows absolutely zero about the genre. Vs Ezra Koenig, who had one of the most acclaimed albums this year nd helmed one of the biggest "indie rock" bands of all time. Right. Makes perfect sense, in the bizarro delusion world that you live in. Whatever you say goes, expert opinion be damned!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:2015 was only 5 YEARS AGO. Jeez.

Also, you’re the one who brought up using Grammys as a measure of all of this.

What’s your measure of cultural dominance, if not the Grammys (which, again, you brought up)?

I also welcome all this supposed evidence that indie rock used to be THE cultural driving force and now it’s not. Please share it.

Since I'm feeling oddly benevolent and generous today, here's you go. A compendium of articles from various respected populations about the rise and fall of indie music, about the hey-days of the genre, and about how that era ended a long time ago.

But I'm sure you, someone who listened to one Taylor Swift album, looked up the producer, and decided she was an indie music expert because of it, know more than these respected music writers who are intimately familiar with the genre, right?

https://theweek.com/articles/704885/does-indie-rock-have-future: Does Indie Rock have a Future?

https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/10/25/16070928/peak-indie-rock-1997 The life and death of the indie-rock heyday

https://consequenceofsound.net/2016/11/where-have-all-the-indie-rock-bands-gone/ Where Have All the Indie Rock Bands Gone?

https://www.popmatters.com/whatever-happened-to-indie-rock-2495385761.html Whatever Happened to Indie Rock?

https://video.vice.com/en_ca/video/pov-is-indie-rock-relevant-in-2017/587643359d39d5c115397de3 Is Indie Rock Relevant in 2017?

https://pitchfork.com/features/oped/the-year-indie-rock-meant-something-different/


Keep in mind, most of these articles are actually several years old- THAT's how out of touch you are. You should be thanking me for preventing you from embarrassing yourself by showing your lack of knowledge in the future

Lol ok — again, the whole “rock is dead” thing.

It’s a tired, decades-old trope used to sell publications to naive people like you, who listen to Vampire Weekend and decide you’re *so* indie.

So basically you've not read a single article and have just decided to ignore expert opinion because you dont like it.

Right. I think that sums it about up. Nothing more to say, really. What a fascinating display.

Like I said- out of touch, clueless, and just cringe. Good luck!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^It absolutely means indie rock has peaked, lol. No matter how you may think otherwise. You're clueless enough to ignore all facts, but maybe reading a book like Meet Me in the Bathroom can help. Or any of the myriad articles about this subject.

ezra koenig: “is rock dead? yes. is the guitar a relevant instrument? not really”
The sub headline from this article in I-d (a very hip publication- just clarifying for you since, from your lack of awareness/coolness, I'm sure you've never heard of it): "The indie boom is long over, but Vampire Weekend have prevailed as the era’s most imaginative and transcendent group."

Lol, the most overrated piece of shit headline that’s been written every year since the head of Decca told Brian Epstein, “guitar groups are on the way out, Mr. Epstein.”

Meanwhile, more guitars were sold this year than any year on record and guitar-oriented groups continue to exist *just* below the surface and have been featured in album of the year nominations virtually every year since 2000.

But sure — continue to traffic in the tired trope that the popularity of hip hop and pop means rock is dead.

It's overrated because why?... because you said so? I'm literally laughing out loud.

I guess that's your strategy. You hear something you dont like and you just ignore it. Great... very smart. and 2+2 = 5 and the capital of America is Nebraska. Because you said so.

I guess you know more than Ezra Koenig, if you even know who that is, being an "indie music expert" and all. LOL. So hilarious

If you’re not aware that the whole “rock is dead” thing has been going for literally decades, then you’re the hopelessly out of touch one.

Vampire Weekend sucks, by the way.

Because you said so, the indie music troglodyte who knows absolutely zero about the genre. Vs Ezra Koenig, who had one of the most acclaimed albums this year nd helmed one of the biggest "indie rock" bands of all time. Right. Makes perfect sense, in the bizarro delusion world that you live in. Whatever you say goes, expert opinion be damned!

Yes yes, continue to complain about how “rock is dead” and “no one cares about guitars.”

You’re so tired, and so are the music critics who continue to pull out that trope.

Meanwhile, we have this: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/08/style/guitar-sales-fender-gibson.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:2015 was only 5 YEARS AGO. Jeez.

Also, you’re the one who brought up using Grammys as a measure of all of this.

What’s your measure of cultural dominance, if not the Grammys (which, again, you brought up)?

I also welcome all this supposed evidence that indie rock used to be THE cultural driving force and now it’s not. Please share it.

Since I'm feeling oddly benevolent and generous today, here's you go. A compendium of articles from various respected populations about the rise and fall of indie music, about the hey-days of the genre, and about how that era ended a long time ago.

But I'm sure you, someone who listened to one Taylor Swift album, looked up the producer, and decided she was an indie music expert because of it, know more than these respected music writers who are intimately familiar with the genre, right?

https://theweek.com/articles/704885/does-indie-rock-have-future: Does Indie Rock have a Future?

https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/10/25/16070928/peak-indie-rock-1997 The life and death of the indie-rock heyday

https://consequenceofsound.net/2016/11/where-have-all-the-indie-rock-bands-gone/ Where Have All the Indie Rock Bands Gone?

https://www.popmatters.com/whatever-happened-to-indie-rock-2495385761.html Whatever Happened to Indie Rock?

https://video.vice.com/en_ca/video/pov-is-indie-rock-relevant-in-2017/587643359d39d5c115397de3 Is Indie Rock Relevant in 2017?

https://pitchfork.com/features/oped/the-year-indie-rock-meant-something-different/


Keep in mind, most of these articles are actually several years old- THAT's how out of touch you are. You should be thanking me for preventing you from embarrassing yourself by showing your lack of knowledge in the future

Lol ok — again, the whole “rock is dead” thing.

It’s a tired, decades-old trope used to sell publications to naive people like you, who listen to Vampire Weekend and decide you’re *so* indie.

So basically you've not read a single article and have just decided to ignore expert opinion because you dont like it.

Right. I think that sums it about up. Nothing more to say, really. What a fascinating display.

Like I said- out of touch, clueless, and just cringe. Good luck!

Yeah, a single article. Got it.

It’s ok — as soon as Ezra Koenig acknowledges the booming guitar sales and says “oh rock is back” you’ll be on here, parroting it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^It absolutely means indie rock has peaked, lol. No matter how you may think otherwise. You're clueless enough to ignore all facts, but maybe reading a book like Meet Me in the Bathroom can help. Or any of the myriad articles about this subject.

ezra koenig: “is rock dead? yes. is the guitar a relevant instrument? not really”
The sub headline from this article in I-d (a very hip publication- just clarifying for you since, from your lack of awareness/coolness, I'm sure you've never heard of it): "The indie boom is long over, but Vampire Weekend have prevailed as the era’s most imaginative and transcendent group."

Lol, the most overrated piece of shit headline that’s been written every year since the head of Decca told Brian Epstein, “guitar groups are on the way out, Mr. Epstein.”

Meanwhile, more guitars were sold this year than any year on record and guitar-oriented groups continue to exist *just* below the surface and have been featured in album of the year nominations virtually every year since 2000.

But sure — continue to traffic in the tired trope that the popularity of hip hop and pop means rock is dead.

It's overrated because why?... because you said so? I'm literally laughing out loud.

I guess that's your strategy. You hear something you dont like and you just ignore it. Great... very smart. and 2+2 = 5 and the capital of America is Nebraska. Because you said so.

I guess you know more than Ezra Koenig, if you even know who that is, being an "indie music expert" and all. LOL. So hilarious

If you’re not aware that the whole “rock is dead” thing has been going for literally decades, then you’re the hopelessly out of touch one.

Vampire Weekend sucks, by the way.

Because you said so, the indie music troglodyte who knows absolutely zero about the genre. Vs Ezra Koenig, who had one of the most acclaimed albums this year nd helmed one of the biggest "indie rock" bands of all time. Right. Makes perfect sense, in the bizarro delusion world that you live in. Whatever you say goes, expert opinion be damned!

Yes yes, continue to complain about how “rock is dead” and “no one cares about guitars.”

You’re so tired, and so are the music critics who continue to pull out that trope.

Meanwhile, we have this: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/08/style/guitar-sales-fender-gibson.html

People do not buy guitars solely to play indie rock, lmao. Also, sales of most hobbies have gone up, during the lockdown, so that doesnt necessarily point to anything.

Again, the breathless stupidity of your denying and even attacking experts in the field you claim to love and be familiar with, is just shocking and honestly hilarious. I hope you dont try to actually go to an indie show- you might get your ass kicked.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:2015 was only 5 YEARS AGO. Jeez.

Also, you’re the one who brought up using Grammys as a measure of all of this.

What’s your measure of cultural dominance, if not the Grammys (which, again, you brought up)?

I also welcome all this supposed evidence that indie rock used to be THE cultural driving force and now it’s not. Please share it.

Since I'm feeling oddly benevolent and generous today, here's you go. A compendium of articles from various respected populations about the rise and fall of indie music, about the hey-days of the genre, and about how that era ended a long time ago.

But I'm sure you, someone who listened to one Taylor Swift album, looked up the producer, and decided she was an indie music expert because of it, know more than these respected music writers who are intimately familiar with the genre, right?

https://theweek.com/articles/704885/does-indie-rock-have-future: Does Indie Rock have a Future?

https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/10/25/16070928/peak-indie-rock-1997 The life and death of the indie-rock heyday

https://consequenceofsound.net/2016/11/where-have-all-the-indie-rock-bands-gone/ Where Have All the Indie Rock Bands Gone?

https://www.popmatters.com/whatever-happened-to-indie-rock-2495385761.html Whatever Happened to Indie Rock?

https://video.vice.com/en_ca/video/pov-is-indie-rock-relevant-in-2017/587643359d39d5c115397de3 Is Indie Rock Relevant in 2017?

https://pitchfork.com/features/oped/the-year-indie-rock-meant-something-different/


Keep in mind, most of these articles are actually several years old- THAT's how out of touch you are. You should be thanking me for preventing you from embarrassing yourself by showing your lack of knowledge in the future

Lol ok — again, the whole “rock is dead” thing.

It’s a tired, decades-old trope used to sell publications to naive people like you, who listen to Vampire Weekend and decide you’re *so* indie.

So basically you've not read a single article and have just decided to ignore expert opinion because you dont like it.

Right. I think that sums it about up. Nothing more to say, really. What a fascinating display.

Like I said- out of touch, clueless, and just cringe. Good luck!

Yeah, a single article. Got it.

It’s ok — as soon as Ezra Koenig acknowledges the booming guitar sales and says “oh rock is back” you’ll be on here, parroting it.

Do you not know how to count either? Suddenly the shocking level of stupidity makes so much sense. So far I've linked 7 articles and you cant even count or bother to read one. Cause you know you're wrong, wrong, WRONG. And so does everyone else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:2015 was only 5 YEARS AGO. Jeez.

Also, you’re the one who brought up using Grammys as a measure of all of this.

What’s your measure of cultural dominance, if not the Grammys (which, again, you brought up)?

I also welcome all this supposed evidence that indie rock used to be THE cultural driving force and now it’s not. Please share it.

Since I'm feeling oddly benevolent and generous today, here's you go. A compendium of articles from various respected populations about the rise and fall of indie music, about the hey-days of the genre, and about how that era ended a long time ago.

But I'm sure you, someone who listened to one Taylor Swift album, looked up the producer, and decided she was an indie music expert because of it, know more than these respected music writers who are intimately familiar with the genre, right?

https://theweek.com/articles/704885/does-indie-rock-have-future: Does Indie Rock have a Future?

https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/10/25/16070928/peak-indie-rock-1997 The life and death of the indie-rock heyday

https://consequenceofsound.net/2016/11/where-have-all-the-indie-rock-bands-gone/ Where Have All the Indie Rock Bands Gone?

https://www.popmatters.com/whatever-happened-to-indie-rock-2495385761.html Whatever Happened to Indie Rock?

https://video.vice.com/en_ca/video/pov-is-indie-rock-relevant-in-2017/587643359d39d5c115397de3 Is Indie Rock Relevant in 2017?

https://pitchfork.com/features/oped/the-year-indie-rock-meant-something-different/


Keep in mind, most of these articles are actually several years old- THAT's how out of touch you are. You should be thanking me for preventing you from embarrassing yourself by showing your lack of knowledge in the future

Lol ok — again, the whole “rock is dead” thing.

It’s a tired, decades-old trope used to sell publications to naive people like you, who listen to Vampire Weekend and decide you’re *so* indie.

So basically you've not read a single article and have just decided to ignore expert opinion because you dont like it.

Right. I think that sums it about up. Nothing more to say, really. What a fascinating display.

Like I said- out of touch, clueless, and just cringe. Good luck!

Yeah, a single article. Got it.

It’s ok — as soon as Ezra Koenig acknowledges the booming guitar sales and says “oh rock is back” you’ll be on here, parroting it.

Do you not know how to count either? Suddenly the shocking level of stupidity makes so much sense. So far I've linked 7 articles and you cant even count or bother to read one. Cause you know you're wrong, wrong, WRONG. And so does everyone else.

Oh yeah, because the media *never* overdramatizes things to drive clicks.

Again — this same argument (rock is dead and no one cares about it anymore) has been going for decades. You’re just naive enough to believe it this time.

And did you actually read the NYTimes article? Or are you just looking at the headline.

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Anonymous wrote:2015 was only 5 YEARS AGO. Jeez.

Also, you’re the one who brought up using Grammys as a measure of all of this.

What’s your measure of cultural dominance, if not the Grammys (which, again, you brought up)?

I also welcome all this supposed evidence that indie rock used to be THE cultural driving force and now it’s not. Please share it.

Since I'm feeling oddly benevolent and generous today, here's you go. A compendium of articles from various respected populations about the rise and fall of indie music, about the hey-days of the genre, and about how that era ended a long time ago.

But I'm sure you, someone who listened to one Taylor Swift album, looked up the producer, and decided she was an indie music expert because of it, know more than these respected music writers who are intimately familiar with the genre, right?

https://theweek.com/articles/704885/does-indie-rock-have-future: Does Indie Rock have a Future?

https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/10/25/16070928/peak-indie-rock-1997 The life and death of the indie-rock heyday

https://consequenceofsound.net/2016/11/where-have-all-the-indie-rock-bands-gone/ Where Have All the Indie Rock Bands Gone?

https://www.popmatters.com/whatever-happened-to-indie-rock-2495385761.html Whatever Happened to Indie Rock?

https://video.vice.com/en_ca/video/pov-is-indie-rock-relevant-in-2017/587643359d39d5c115397de3 Is Indie Rock Relevant in 2017?

https://pitchfork.com/features/oped/the-year-indie-rock-meant-something-different/


Keep in mind, most of these articles are actually several years old- THAT's how out of touch you are. You should be thanking me for preventing you from embarrassing yourself by showing your lack of knowledge in the future

Lol ok — again, the whole “rock is dead” thing.

It’s a tired, decades-old trope used to sell publications to naive people like you, who listen to Vampire Weekend and decide you’re *so* indie.

So basically you've not read a single article and have just decided to ignore expert opinion because you dont like it.

Right. I think that sums it about up. Nothing more to say, really. What a fascinating display.

Like I said- out of touch, clueless, and just cringe. Good luck!

Yeah, a single article. Got it.

It’s ok — as soon as Ezra Koenig acknowledges the booming guitar sales and says “oh rock is back” you’ll be on here, parroting it.

Do you not know how to count either? Suddenly the shocking level of stupidity makes so much sense. So far I've linked 7 articles and you cant even count or bother to read one. Cause you know you're wrong, wrong, WRONG. And so does everyone else.

Oh yeah, because the media *never* overdramatizes things to drive clicks.

Again — this same argument (rock is dead and no one cares about it anymore) has been going for decades. You’re just naive enough to believe it this time.

And did you actually read the NYTimes article? Or are you just looking at the headline.

LOL this is not about "driving clicks"- this is about a documented, well researched decline in the popularity of indie music.

Gonna post those links again justtttt to point out to everyone that you've refused to read the myriad of (expert) sources that have described this:
https://theweek.com/articles/704885/does-indie-rock-have-future: Does Indie Rock have a Future?

https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/10/25/16070928/peak-indie-rock-1997 The life and death of the indie-rock heyday

https://consequenceofsound.net/2016/11/where-have-all-the-indie-rock-bands-gone/ Where Have All the Indie Rock Bands Gone?

https://www.popmatters.com/whatever-happened-to-indie-rock-2495385761.html Whatever Happened to Indie Rock?

https://video.vice.com/en_ca/video/pov-is-indie-rock-relevant-in-2017/587643359d39d5c115397de3 Is Indie Rock Relevant in 2017?

https://pitchfork.com/features/oped/the-year-indie-rock-meant-something-different/

You can keep denying it like your head in the sand. Like I said, you're neither culturally aware nor relevant, so your opinion, like the opinion of many others with niche, old fashioned tastes, is largely irrelevant. Whereas Ezra Koenig, and the other RESPECTED musical experts, are not.

And that's that.