happening right now: 250 migrant children held in terrible, inhumane conditions in Texas

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:UN has 1 peacekeeping operation in this hemisphere-Haiti. It's on an island shared with the Dominican Republic. USA is the largest contributor to the UN overall. No UN presence in Central America to deal with the issues. USA-funds the UN and multilaterals. Global Compact on Migration-different info on census such as citizenship. US politicians object.

https://peacekeeping.un.org/en/mission/onuca NA currently

US intervention for safety and security? Non-security issues impacting migration? Ideally US funds to the UN should be used. Pay the UN and multilaterals plus pay to deal with anything for this hemisphere?

Or skip a couple of golfing trips and reappropriate those funds to pay for more border security, immigration judges, and a few dozen toothbrushes. Skip one lousy trip and then make a big show about using emergency funds in the same amount for this purpose. Imagine that!

[Anonymous]

So, when a 2 year old is left to die in a cage, Rs can throw their hands up and say “Welp. Price they pay for having parents who bring them here.” Why don’t they have the same attitude toward aborted fetuses? “Welp. That’s what they get for having parents who have sex for reasons other that reproduction.”

I’m a Christian democrat and have somewhat conservative views on abortion. Just pointing out the hypocrisy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Congress controls the purse strings. The House is Democrat majority. Democrats own this just as much as Republicans.

The president doesn't control the purse strings.

Maybe a refresher on 3rd grade civics are in order for some of you

GOP held the purse strings for 2 years. If they cared so much they should have done something.

Why complain about Ds when your own party DGAF?

The crisis wasn't 2 years ago. It's now after building for months and officials warning congress this would happen

It was a “crisis” a year ago when the GOP still had the house and the senate.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/crisis-border-numbers/

June 20, 2018

WHAT WAS SAID
“What the president reiterated again yesterday, and he has said every day from when he sought this office, is we have a crisis of illegal immigration.”
— Vice President Mike Pence, meeting with members of Congress on Wednesday.

“These smugglers know these rules and regulations better than the people that drew them. As a result, there’s been a 325 percent increase in minors, and a 435 percent increase in the smuggling or attempted smuggling of families and minors into our country.”
— President Trump, speaking to the National Federation of Independent Businesses on Tuesday.

“In the last three months we've seen illegal immigration on our southern border exceed 50,000 people each month. Multiples over each month last year.”
— Kirstjen Nielsen, the homeland security secretary, at a news conference on Monday.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/20/us/politics/fact-check-trump-border-crossings-declining-.html

The crisis at he border obviously gotten worse than last year. Democrats blocked funding on it last year as well so I don't know how that makes your point stronger. Democrats blocked the 2017 and 2018 bills to address this:

While Schumer said Democrats would be "happy" to debate the border wall, he predicted it couldn't get the 60 votes needed to clear the Senate.

"I think if they brought it up in regular order it would not pass, it wouldn't come close to passing," he added.

Republicans could clear legislation funding the wall through the House without Democratic help, but they would need the support of at least eight Democrats in the Senate to overcome a likely filibuster.

https://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/331415-schumer-trumps-border-wall-cant-pass-senate


Oh and this lovely article where democrats still denied there was an issue even as things got worse:

Earlier this year, Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) accused Trump of exaggerating problems at the border to stoke fear among Americans and distract from the turmoil of his own administration.

After Trump issued an Oval Office address to the nation on Jan. 8 proclaiming the border situation a “crisis of the heart and a crisis of the soul,” Schumer and Pelosi gave a side-by-side rebuttal.

“This president just used the backdrop of the Oval Office to manufacture a crisis, stoke fear and divert attention from the turmoil in his administration,” Schumer said in the midst of a 35-day government shutdown sparked by a partisan disagreement over funding border barriers.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/449214-dems-make-u-turn-on-calling-border-a-manufactured-crisis

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UN has 1 peacekeeping operation in this hemisphere-Haiti. It's on an island shared with the Dominican Republic. USA is the largest contributor to the UN overall. No UN presence in Central America to deal with the issues. USA-funds the UN and multilaterals. Global Compact on Migration-different info on census such as citizenship. US politicians object.

https://peacekeeping.un.org/en/mission/onuca NA currently

US intervention for safety and security? Non-security issues impacting migration? Ideally US funds to the UN should be used. Pay the UN and multilaterals plus pay to deal with anything for this hemisphere?

Or skip a couple of golfing trips and reappropriate those funds to pay for more border security, immigration judges, and a few dozen toothbrushes. Skip one lousy trip and then make a big show about using emergency funds in the same amount for this purpose. Imagine that!

That's not how it works, champ. Maybe read up on how appropriations work ...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So, when a 2 year old is left to die in a cage, Rs can throw their hands up and say “Welp. Price they pay for having parents who bring them here.” Why don’t they have the same attitude toward aborted fetuses? “Welp. That’s what they get for having parents who have sex for reasons other that reproduction.”

I’m a Christian democrat and have somewhat conservative views on abortion. Just pointing out the hypocrisy.

Who f@cking cares? 250 kids in cages. No toothpaste.
BIG f$cking deal.
If it mattered, at all, congress and the judiciary would let the president enforce existing immigration law. But.....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, when a 2 year old is left to die in a cage, Rs can throw their hands up and say “Welp. Price they pay for having parents who bring them here.” Why don’t they have the same attitude toward aborted fetuses? “Welp. That’s what they get for having parents who have sex for reasons other that reproduction.”

I’m a Christian democrat and have somewhat conservative views on abortion. Just pointing out the hypocrisy.

Who f@cking cares? 250 kids in cages. No toothpaste.
BIG f$cking deal.
If it mattered, at all, congress and the judiciary would let the president enforce existing immigration law. But.....

Yes, we know you do not care. Disgusting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So, when a 2 year old is left to die in a cage, Rs can throw their hands up and say “Welp. Price they pay for having parents who bring them here.” Why don’t they have the same attitude toward aborted fetuses? “Welp. That’s what they get for having parents who have sex for reasons other that reproduction.”

I’m a Christian democrat and have somewhat conservative views on abortion. Just pointing out the hypocrisy.

Actual answer: because the Republican establishment is using abortion as a wedge issue to consolidate their base, by linking it with fears of the collapse of the "old way of life" where all women were moms and all babies were white. It has very little to do with an actually humane approach towards families, women, and children. I do believe that some anti-abortion folks are honest, in that they truly believe abortion kills a being with a soul. But that's very different from the nutcases who just want to control women without regard for their actual lives; or the GOP operatives who are cynically exploiting abortion as a political move.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Congress controls the purse strings. The House is Democrat majority. Democrats own this just as much as Republicans.

The president doesn't control the purse strings.

Maybe a refresher on 3rd grade civics are in order for some of you

GOP held the purse strings for 2 years. If they cared so much they should have done something.

Why complain about Ds when your own party DGAF?

The crisis wasn't 2 years ago. It's now after building for months and officials warning congress this would happen

It was a “crisis” a year ago when the GOP still had the house and the senate.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/crisis-border-numbers/

June 20, 2018

WHAT WAS SAID
“What the president reiterated again yesterday, and he has said every day from when he sought this office, is we have a crisis of illegal immigration.”
— Vice President Mike Pence, meeting with members of Congress on Wednesday.

“These smugglers know these rules and regulations better than the people that drew them. As a result, there’s been a 325 percent increase in minors, and a 435 percent increase in the smuggling or attempted smuggling of families and minors into our country.”
— President Trump, speaking to the National Federation of Independent Businesses on Tuesday.

“In the last three months we've seen illegal immigration on our southern border exceed 50,000 people each month. Multiples over each month last year.”
— Kirstjen Nielsen, the homeland security secretary, at a news conference on Monday.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/20/us/politics/fact-check-trump-border-crossings-declining-.html

The crisis at he border obviously gotten worse than last year. Democrats blocked funding on it last year as well so I don't know how that makes your point stronger. Democrats blocked the 2017 and 2018 bills to address this:

While Schumer said Democrats would be "happy" to debate the border wall, he predicted it couldn't get the 60 votes needed to clear the Senate.

"I think if they brought it up in regular order it would not pass, it wouldn't come close to passing," he added.

Republicans could clear legislation funding the wall through the House without Democratic help, but they would need the support of at least eight Democrats in the Senate to overcome a likely filibuster.

https://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/331415-schumer-trumps-border-wall-cant-pass-senate


Oh and this lovely article where democrats still denied there was an issue even as things got worse:

Earlier this year, Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) accused Trump of exaggerating problems at the border to stoke fear among Americans and distract from the turmoil of his own administration.

After Trump issued an Oval Office address to the nation on Jan. 8 proclaiming the border situation a “crisis of the heart and a crisis of the soul,” Schumer and Pelosi gave a side-by-side rebuttal.

“This president just used the backdrop of the Oval Office to manufacture a crisis, stoke fear and divert attention from the turmoil in his administration,” Schumer said in the midst of a 35-day government shutdown sparked by a partisan disagreement over funding border barriers.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/449214-dems-make-u-turn-on-calling-border-a-manufactured-crisis

He’s been calling it a “crisis” for years. If it was such a “crisis” then Trump should have taken the $25B offered last March. Or brought it to a vote when the gop had control.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So, when a 2 year old is left to die in a cage, Rs can throw their hands up and say “Welp. Price they pay for having parents who bring them here.” Why don’t they have the same attitude toward aborted fetuses? “Welp. That’s what they get for having parents who have sex for reasons other that reproduction.”

I’m a Christian democrat and have somewhat conservative views on abortion. Just pointing out the hypocrisy.

Still better than Mexico

[Anonymous]

From that flaming libtard Bill Kriston:

https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1142408870410801152

Leave aside the legal and policy questions about migrant children at the border. Wouldn’t a normal White House, once alerted to the conditions, order personnel and supplies there to ensure the children’s well-being? Congress would approve some reprogramming of funds if needed.

https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1142409177765224448

Or come to think of it, didn’t Trump declare an emergency? So wouldn’t he have access to the (minimal) necessary funds?

https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1142409722399744000

Or are the conditions at the border, cruel to the children and humiliating for our nation, not a bug but a feature of Trump’s policy?

Based on the gleeful posts we see here, I have to think that Trump abusing children on the border is having its intended effect - whipping his (cruel and evil) base into a blood lust frenzy

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Distribution of these children to liberals

I would make room in my home in a heartbeat, for as long as necessary.

You’d take a family in and provide all food, clothing, and medical care out of pocket? And provide child care and transportation?

I'll be completely honest, because I've given this some thought. We can just barely pay our bills every month. We are middle class, with lots of education and social resources and very little cash. Lots of student loans, etc. I have young children, including a daughter, and would not be comfortable with an adult man or even teenage boys in my home that I didn't know. We have a guest room, so they would have to fit in there. I could accommodate a mother with one or two young children. We could accommodate and care for two young children without a parent who were elementary age. We can't afford childcare, so children too young for school would not work. We could manage the additional cost of food, clothing, etc. DH is a federal employee so if the government would agree to cover the cost of adding them to our health insurance, that would be great. We could figure out how to deal with additional healthcare costs if they were otherwise insured. I live in a community that is about 30% latino, so I think we could connect them socially with people that share their language and culture to make them feel less scared and more at home.

It would be hard, no doubt about it, but it is a privilege to help others in need because it means I have resources to share.

So you would split up a family because you are uncomfortable?

You sound nice but families should be together. Kids need their fathers. Where would the teenage brother stay? Alone in a disgusting shelter while the rest of his family had a decent place?

Not cool.

Oh, good grief, of course not. The foremost atrocity in this whole situation is the separation of families. I'm describing what kinds of families we, personally, could accommodate. Read the article OP quoted. There are children there with no adults taking care of them. I'm describing the slice of the problem that my family would be in a position to help. I would love it if I had a separate apartment or guest cottage that could house a family with a father and/or older boys. I have a teenage son, myself, and I adore his many wonderful friends, so I'm not particularly suspicious of boys or men, but I'm also not naive or ignorant of statistics.

This whole situation sickens me like nothing I can remember.

These for-profit concentration camps charge us, the taxpayers, $750 per day, per child.

Meanwhile, it costs $22,000 to detain *one child* for *one month* and they're not even provided with soap, toothbrushes or beds. Who’s getting richer off of this disaster?

John Kelly.

Soooo, PP above. You want a government handout to help? And have thought through how to have pretty much zero real discomfort or risk to your family.

You think you are calling me a hypocrite, but I'm not. The only handout I suggested was for health insurance, because that is something I simply could not find a way to pay for. Given the costs associated with housing these children in detention facilities, this would be far, far cheaper. The government could save money by using my labor and home to care for a child/family.

I also vote according to my beliefs. I don't vote for politicians who will cut my taxes. I do vote for those who will provide better, needed services and regulations. In local elections, I vote for nearly every ballot measure that will raise my taxes because I think my own family is better off when my whole community has the resources it needs.

I am quite an introvert and a homebody. If you think bringing more people into my home would not discomfort me, you are wrong. I also don't apologize for making an informed risk assessment for my own children's security, just like I respect the very difficult choices the parents at the border have had to make for their children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile this is what the Trump administration is doing to a teenager who had an emergency c-section:

At the Border Patrol’s Central Processing Center in McAllen, Tex. — often known as 'Ursula' — the lawyers encountered a 17-year-old mother from Guatemala who couldn’t stand because of complications from an emergency C-section, and who was caring for a sick and dirty premature baby.

'When we encountered the baby and her mom, the baby was filthy. They wouldn’t give her any water to wash her. And I took a Kleenex and I washed around her neck black dirt," said Hope Frye, who was leading the group, adding, "Not a little stuff — dirt."

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/21/us/migrant-children-border-soap.html?fbclid=IwAR3NdbuikqX2Evk9Ho2s6-uy19ZB22ofsTvh5Z7XaFogkufXa79t_uUq4Lw

Kind of a bonehead move to come over in the first place.

So she had her anchor baby early via emergency c section while committing a crime?
They’re really not sending their best.

You have no idea if she committed a crime.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I sounded the alarm right here on this forum, to please send much needed diapers to the border.
How many interested posters? Zero.

Where? I totally missed it.

I’m in. Is there a group I can contribute to?

Ditto. I will contribute.

Where can I send soap to the guards who have to deal with these measles and smallpox and lice ridden illegals? They should seriously be washing their hands about 1000 times a day.

Smallpox???

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I sounded the alarm right here on this forum, to please send much needed diapers to the border.
How many interested posters? Zero.

Where? I totally missed it.

I’m in. Is there a group I can contribute to?

Ditto. I will contribute.

Where can I send soap to the guards who have to deal with these measles and smallpox and lice ridden illegals? They should seriously be washing their hands about 1000 times a day.

Smallpox???

"Those poor Auschwitz guards, having to tough the filthy Jews. How can I support them in this time of need?"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I sounded the alarm right here on this forum, to please send much needed diapers to the border.
How many interested posters? Zero.

Where? I totally missed it.

I’m in. Is there a group I can contribute to?

Ditto. I will contribute.

Where can I send soap to the guards who have to deal with these measles and smallpox and lice ridden illegals? They should seriously be washing their hands about 1000 times a day.

Smallpox???

Some idiot I am Facebook friends with is convinced that these immigrants are bringing in smallpox. The stupidity is just amazing. And explains so much b